Re: gEDA-user: a different approach to 3D modeling

2010-11-21 Thread Bert Timmerman
Hi all, -Original Message- From: geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org [mailto:geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org] On Behalf Of Armin Faltl Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 11:53 AM To: gEDA user mailing list Subject: Re: gEDA-user: a different approach to 3D modeling Patrick Doyle

Re: gEDA-user: a different approach to 3D modeling

2010-11-21 Thread Gareth Edwards
On 21 November 2010 02:05, Peter Clifton pc...@cam.ac.uk wrote: On Sat, 2010-11-20 at 22:48 +, Gareth Edwards wrote: The usability of the Blender 2.5x betas is a step-change from the existing versions. I'm not saying it's easy, but it's considerably less insane. Just installed it, seems

Re: gEDA-user: a different approach to 3D modeling

2010-11-20 Thread Armin Faltl
Patrick Doyle wrote: On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 10:01 PM, kai-martin knaak k...@familieknaak.de wrote: Looks like there is no open 3D exchange format that fits the need of pcb: a) render a beautiful image of a populated board b) integrate pcb in a 3D work-flow to fit the board into some tight

Re: gEDA-user: a different approach to 3D modeling

2010-11-20 Thread John Griessen
On 11/19/2010 08:22 PM, Peter Clifton wrote: I suppose I've been spoilt coming from a background where the only CAD I've used is PTC's Pro-Engineer, which has a really nice parametric sketch editor you can extrude or revolve parts from. HeeksCAD lets you do that. parametric sketch, then

Re: gEDA-user: a different approach to 3D modeling

2010-11-20 Thread Armin Faltl
Armin Faltl wrote: Reading https://collada.org/mediawiki/index.php/COLLADA_FAQ#What_is_COLLADA.3F I believe COLLADA is a format mainly concerned about DCC (digital content creation). It's probably very good at meshes, textures and some freeform surfaces, but I didn't see anything about

Re: gEDA-user: a different approach to 3D modeling

2010-11-20 Thread Gareth Edwards
On 19 November 2010 23:03, Peter Clifton pc...@cam.ac.uk wrote: On Fri, 2010-11-19 at 14:07 -0800, Colin D Bennett wrote: It has to be mentioned that Blender is free and open source but Google Sketchup is not. I took that as known, but I don't disprove of using good commercial software to

Re: gEDA-user: a different approach to 3D modeling

2010-11-20 Thread Peter Clifton
On Sat, 2010-11-20 at 11:53 +0100, Armin Faltl wrote: I believe COLLADA is a format mainly concerned about DCC (digital content creation). It's probably very good at meshes, textures and some freeform surfaces, but I didn't see anything about geometric primitives like spheres, cylinders

Re: gEDA-user: a different approach to 3D modeling

2010-11-20 Thread Peter Clifton
On Sat, 2010-11-20 at 22:48 +, Gareth Edwards wrote: The usability of the Blender 2.5x betas is a step-change from the existing versions. I'm not saying it's easy, but it's considerably less insane. Just installed it, seems pretty good compared with 2.45. Thanks for the pointer! -- Peter

Re: gEDA-user: a different approach to 3D modeling

2010-11-19 Thread Patrick Doyle
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 10:01 PM, kai-martin knaak k...@familieknaak.de wrote: Looks like there is no open 3D exchange format that fits the need of pcb: a) render a beautiful image of a populated board b) integrate pcb in a 3D work-flow to fit the board into some tight space. The

Re: gEDA-user: a different approach to 3D modeling

2010-11-19 Thread Peter Clifton
On Fri, 2010-11-19 at 06:15 -0500, Patrick Doyle wrote: Not knowing anything of which I speak (write?), would COLLADA (https://collada.org/mediawiki/index.php/COLLADA_-_Digital_Asset_and_FX_Exchange_Schema) fit the bill? I just happened to stumble across it last week on something totally

Re: gEDA-user: a different approach to 3D modeling

2010-11-19 Thread Peter Clifton
On Fri, 2010-11-19 at 17:43 +, Peter Clifton wrote: On Fri, 2010-11-19 at 06:15 -0500, Patrick Doyle wrote: Not knowing anything of which I speak (write?), would COLLADA (https://collada.org/mediawiki/index.php/COLLADA_-_Digital_Asset_and_FX_Exchange_Schema) fit the bill? I just

Re: gEDA-user: a different approach to 3D modeling

2010-11-19 Thread Patrick Doyle
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 1:23 PM, Peter Clifton pc...@cam.ac.uk wrote: On Fri, 2010-11-19 at 17:43 +, Peter Clifton wrote: On Fri, 2010-11-19 at 06:15 -0500, Patrick Doyle wrote: Not knowing anything of which I speak (write?), would COLLADA

Re: gEDA-user: a different approach to 3D modeling

2010-11-19 Thread Colin D Bennett
On Fri, 19 Nov 2010 15:24:05 -0500 Patrick Doyle wpds...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 1:23 PM, Peter Clifton pc...@cam.ac.uk wrote: On Fri, 2010-11-19 at 17:43 +, Peter Clifton wrote: Perhaps it ranks as nice to have, especially if there is some good modelling software

Re: gEDA-user: a different approach to 3D modeling

2010-11-19 Thread Peter Clifton
On Fri, 2010-11-19 at 15:24 -0500, Patrick Doyle wrote: So then why not use COLLADA and blender? (I'm not trying to push for this, or to pick a fight, I'm just curious and trying to learn something totally new to me.) 1. KiCad 2. VRML is easier to implement perhaps? 3. Blender can also save

Re: gEDA-user: a different approach to 3D modeling

2010-11-19 Thread Peter Clifton
On Fri, 2010-11-19 at 14:07 -0800, Colin D Bennett wrote: It has to be mentioned that Blender is free and open source but Google Sketchup is not. I took that as known, but I don't disprove of using good commercial software to do a job. I find Blender quite challenging to work with. -- Peter

Re: gEDA-user: a different approach to 3D modeling

2010-11-19 Thread Philipp Klaus Krause
Am 19.11.2010 23:07, schrieb Colin D Bennett: It has to be mentioned that Blender is free and open source but Google Sketchup is not. Let's not forget other free software, like wings3d, which may be less powerful compared to blender, but is much more newbie-friendly, and quite good for

Re: gEDA-user: a different approach to 3D modeling

2010-11-19 Thread Rubén Gómez Antolí
Hi: El 19/11/10 23:07, Colin D Bennett escribió: On Fri, 19 Nov 2010 15:24:05 -0500 Patrick Doylewpds...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 1:23 PM, Peter Cliftonpc...@cam.ac.uk wrote: On Fri, 2010-11-19 at 17:43 +, Peter Clifton wrote: Perhaps it ranks as nice to have,

Re: gEDA-user: a different approach to 3D modeling

2010-11-19 Thread kai-martin knaak
Bert Timmerman wrote: http://openscad.org/ And the beginning of an OpenSCAD exporter for pcb, on top of a recent (current) clone of the pcb git repository: https://github.com/bert/pcb-openscad Please give me your thoughts and opinions on both. I see a nice way to produce 3D models

Re: gEDA-user: a different approach to 3D modeling

2010-11-19 Thread Peter Clifton
On Fri, 2010-11-19 at 23:43 +0100, Philipp Klaus Krause wrote: Let's not forget other free software, like wings3d, which may be less powerful compared to blender, but is much more newbie-friendly, and quite good for modelling (which it focuses on more than blender). AFAIK it has wuite a

Re: gEDA-user: a different approach to 3D modeling

2010-11-19 Thread Peter Clifton
On Sat, 2010-11-20 at 02:05 +, Peter Clifton wrote: Wings3D can export to most if not all the formats I'm interested in, but now you make me feel stupid.. I couldn't figure out how to get started with it other than opening existing models. Since you say it is newbie friendly, I'll go back

Re: gEDA-user: a different approach to 3D modeling

2010-11-18 Thread Bert Timmerman
Hi Kai-Martin, -Original Message- From: geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org [mailto:geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org] On Behalf Of kai-martin knaak Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 4:01 AM To: geda-u...@seul.org Subject: gEDA-user: a different approach to 3D modeling Looks like