Re: gEDA-user: An idea: rework design support...

2011-05-16 Thread John Doty
On May 14, 2011, at 11:08 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: To counter that.. I see no compelling reason to keep it though. We'll need it more when we add layer types. Real physical layers have material properties, thickness, and perhaps others. They don't have types. Given we'll probably end up

Re: gEDA-user: An idea: rework design support...

2011-05-14 Thread Stephan Boettcher
Peter Clifton pc...@cam.ac.uk writes: FWIW, I'd love to see PCB's enforce one layer per layer of the board, tagging objects if necessary to implement similar functionality to what we currently use layers and layer groups for. One layer per physical layer would imply that element pins (pads)

Re: gEDA-user: An idea: rework design support...

2011-05-14 Thread DJ Delorie
I do not have a problem with the idea of single layer per physical layer, PCB uses a single layer group per physical layer, with one or more drawing layers within each group. I see no reason to dump that now. We just need to work on the UI and terminology so that it's less confusing how it

Re: gEDA-user: An idea: rework design support...

2011-05-14 Thread John Doty
On May 14, 2011, at 11:56 AM, DJ Delorie wrote: I do not have a problem with the idea of single layer per physical layer, PCB uses a single layer group per physical layer, No, it does not. There is no 1-1 relationship between pcb layers and physical layers. Examples: The insulating

Re: gEDA-user: An idea: rework design support...

2011-05-14 Thread DJ Delorie
No, it does not. There is no 1-1 relationship between pcb layers and physical layers. Yes, there is. You just have a different interpretation of the word layers than the rest of us. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org

Re: gEDA-user: An idea: rework design support...

2011-05-14 Thread John Doty
On May 14, 2011, at 2:31 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: No, it does not. There is no 1-1 relationship between pcb layers and physical layers. Yes, there is. You just have a different interpretation of the word layers than the rest of us. My interpretation corresponds to the normal meaning of

Re: gEDA-user: An idea: rework design support...

2011-05-14 Thread Peter Clifton
On Sat, 2011-05-14 at 13:56 -0400, DJ Delorie wrote: I do not have a problem with the idea of single layer per physical layer, PCB uses a single layer group per physical layer, with one or more drawing layers within each group. I see no reason to dump that now. We just need to work on

Re: gEDA-user: An idea: rework design support...

2011-05-14 Thread John Doty
On May 14, 2011, at 4:47 PM, Peter Clifton wrote: On Sat, 2011-05-14 at 13:56 -0400, DJ Delorie wrote: I do not have a problem with the idea of single layer per physical layer, PCB uses a single layer group per physical layer, with one or more drawing layers within each group. I see no

Re: gEDA-user: An idea: rework design support...

2011-05-14 Thread John Griessen
On 05/14/2011 05:47 PM, Peter Clifton wrote: On Sat, 2011-05-14 at 13:56 -0400, DJ Delorie wrote: I do not have a problem with the idea of single layer per physical layer, PCB uses a single layer group per physical layer, with one or more drawing layers within each group. I see

Re: gEDA-user: An idea: rework design support...

2011-05-14 Thread DJ Delorie
To counter that.. I see no compelling reason to keep it though. We'll need it more when we add layer types. Given we'll probably end up keeping the irksome things, can we swap the terminology around? Yup. I think we decided sheets was the best term for what is now known as layers.

gEDA-user: An idea: rework design support...

2011-05-13 Thread Peter Clifton
Hi everyone, I just thought I'd document this idea in order to get some feedback. I have no time to implement it for the foreseeable future, but it might provide someone inspiration to get hacking on PCB. I sometimes find myself working within a particular generation of prototype board, wanting

Re: gEDA-user: An idea: rework design support...

2011-05-13 Thread Andrew Seddon
I would definitely use this. I typically maintain a document of all patches whilst I'm bringing up the PCB for technicians to use then I use it myself to modify pcb/schematics. On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Peter Clifton pc...@cam.ac.uk wrote: Hi everyone, I just thought I'd document this

Re: gEDA-user: An idea: rework design support...

2011-05-13 Thread John Griessen
On 05/13/2011 08:10 AM, Peter Clifton wrote: Comments? Sounds close to the approach of Fritzing, where wiring is documented as literal wires put in a plug-board. Your concept is different only in keeping the as built prototype as a reference -- no plug-board. One step of getting the omitted

Re: gEDA-user: An idea: rework design support...

2011-05-13 Thread Peter Clifton
On Fri, 2011-05-13 at 09:01 -0500, John Griessen wrote: On 05/13/2011 08:10 AM, Peter Clifton wrote: Comments? Sounds close to the approach of Fritzing, where wiring is documented as literal wires put in a plug-board. Your concept is different only in keeping the as built prototype as a

Re: gEDA-user: An idea: rework design support...

2011-05-13 Thread John Doty
On May 13, 2011, at 7:10 AM, Peter Clifton wrote: Hi everyone, I just thought I'd document this idea in order to get some feedback. I have no time to implement it for the foreseeable future, but it might provide someone inspiration to get hacking on PCB. I sometimes find myself working

Re: gEDA-user: An idea: rework design support

2011-05-13 Thread Ouabache Designworks
Would it be useful. Yes Would it be easy No. When you cut a trace you might split a node into two nodes. Or then again you might not if there is a loop on the PCB. You would need to extract connectivity from the layout to be sure. The cut on the PCB is unlikely to map to a nice

Re: gEDA-user: An idea: rework design support...

2011-05-13 Thread Peter Clifton
On Fri, 2011-05-13 at 11:09 -0600, John Doty wrote: In ancient Greek astronomy, when the theory of planetary motion didn't fit the data, they added epicycles. Layers have become pcb's epicycles: every time somebody wants a feature, they propose a new kind of layer. FWIW, I'd love to see

Re: gEDA-user: An idea: rework design support

2011-05-13 Thread Peter Clifton
On Fri, 2011-05-13 at 11:16 -0700, Ouabache Designworks wrote: Would it be useful. Yes Would it be easy No. Indeed not. I was thinking you would work from the schematic first anyway, so you make a break where you want it on the schematic, then correct the PCB. PCB can already verify that