On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 13:16:23 +0200
Rubén Gómez Antolí l...@mucharuina.com wrote:
Is something how Kde us Gnome?
Because after of years of desktop wars, both proyects colaborate in base
(freedesktop) and expand his own style.
There are something to learn in our own free software history?
Hi all,
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Subject: Re: gEDA-user: CERN goes for KiCAD
On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 13:16
That's a good point. Where could things be best shared
between KiCad and gEDA?
Footprint editor ?
https://github.com/bert/fped
Fped lives in Ubuntu and Fedora, and maybe other distros, with support for
KiCAD users.
Anyone interested in a parametric footprint editor with support for
Hello:
El 12/09/11 18:42, Colin D Bennett escribió:
On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 13:16:23 +0200
Rubén Gómez Antolíl...@mucharuina.com wrote:
Is something how Kde us Gnome?
Because after of years of desktop wars, both proyects colaborate in base
(freedesktop) and expand his own style.
There are
Hello:
El 07/09/11 00:20, Kai-Martin Knaak escribió:
Today, I received an announcement from the CERN people. Key statement
was:
/-
We had a meeting at CERN on Friday and decided we would start
contributing to the Kicad project in view of taking it to a level of
quality
Again with you:
El 07/09/11 17:58, John Hudak escribió:
Um, with all due respectI don't consider myself 'simple
minded'I am a professional EE, been working in this industry for a
[...]
If you believe that, you are seriously deluding yourselves. I came
across posts
On Wed, 07 Sep 2011 22:37:46 +0200
Kai-Martin Knaak k...@familieknaak.de wrote:
CERN software engeneers don't fear complexity -- not under the hood,
nor on the interface. They strive for elegance and excellent results
instead. See the structure and the UI of paw, or root.
Well... When I was
On Wed, 07 Sep 2011 15:10:57 +0200
Kai-Martin Knaak kn...@iqo.uni-hannover.de wrote:
John Hudak wrote:
Anyway, I switched to using KiCAD and it was like going from driving a FIAT
stick to driving a 911 stick...
Please elaborate on this one.
What exactly constituted the difference that
John Hudak wrote:
Um, with all due respectI don't consider myself 'simple
minded'
(...)
and finally: Smart people seems to have not really big problems
with current gEDA state.
Note, that Stefan is not a native speaker. We, who use english as a
foreign language, have a hard time to
On Wed, 07 Sep 2011 00:20:53 +0200
Kai-Martin Knaak k...@familieknaak.de wrote:
We had a meeting at CERN on Friday and decided we would start
contributing to the Kicad project in view of taking it to a level of
quality and features suitable for our PCB design activities.
It was to be
You might want to consider import/export capability for the most widely
used commercial product (not sure what that is at the moment).
You may want to consider the following as well:
1) An updated tutorial that is accurate (IIRC, last edit is 2007, a bit
long in the tooth, not to
you all never worried about cern before? why start now? better to just
keep focused on your current customers then unknown future additional
users.
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Hello John,
I am really happy (and a bit of surprised) that critical postings are
still allowed for this list.
On Tue, 2011-09-06 at 22:07 -0400, John Hudak wrote:
You might want to consider import/export capability for the most widely
used commercial product (not sure what that is at the
Steve Meier wrote:
you all never worried about cern before? why start now? better to just
keep focused on your current customers then unknown future additional
users.
For what its worth: Yes, I am worried about geda not being the preferred EDA
tool in a scientific environment, becausethis is
John Hudak wrote:
Anyway, I switched to using KiCAD and it was like going from driving a FIAT
stick to driving a 911 stick...
Please elaborate on this one.
What exactly constituted the difference that made you feel like that?
You already told us about the library/M4 thing. But there was
John Hudak wrote:
Anyway, I switched to using KiCAD and it was like going from driving a FIAT
stick to driving a 911 stick.
Just a head-up note: When I tried kicad a few months back, I felt the exact
opposite. I just did not seem to get anywhere with a little test project. Of
course this is
you all never worried about cern before? why start now?
It's not CERN itself that's the issue, it's that a big organization
wanted to help a project, and it wasn't us. The more developers Kicad
gets, the more users they'll get, which brings in more developers,
etc. If we lose developers, we
On Wed, 2011-09-07 at 15:01 +0200, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote:
CERN is a missed opportunity. No reason to deny it, no reason to give up,
either. But maybe an occasion to think about the reasons.
I had wondered if part of the reasoning might be that KiCad feels a lot
more local to them. (KiCad
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 10:08 AM, DJ Delorie [1]d...@delorie.com wrote:
you all never worried about cern before? why start now?
It's not CERN itself that's the issue, it's that a big organization
wanted to help a project, and it wasn't us. The more developers
Kicad
Um, with all due respectI don't consider myself 'simple
minded'I am a professional EE, been working in this industry for a
28+ years, and have a few technical advanced degrees.I have both worked
in and managed groups of EEs doing state of the art EE research and
design. So,
On 09/07/2011 09:48 AM, Peter Clifton wrote:
I had wondered if part of the reasoning might be that KiCad feels a lot
more local to them. (KiCad being a French originated project - CERN
being on the French / Swiss border.)
That is one thing. Also they stated their wants as integrated printed
John Griessen wrote:
I bet gEDA seems too complicated.
I bet not :-)
CERN software engeneers don't fear complexity -- not under the hood, nor
on the interface. They strive for elegance and excellent results instead.
See the structure and the UI of paw, or root.
The main thing was
Today, I received an announcement from the CERN people. Key statement
was:
/-
We had a meeting at CERN on Friday and decided we would start
contributing to the Kicad project in view of taking it to a level of
quality and features suitable for our PCB design activities.
sad.
Which part? The part where CERN found an open source app they liked,
or the part where they're going to contribute to OSS?
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On Tue, 2011-09-06 at 20:37 -0400, DJ Delorie wrote:
sad.
Which part? The part where CERN found an open source app they liked,
or the part where they're going to contribute to OSS?
Sounds like a few spare cycles working on KiCad file-format import /
export for our tools might be a wise
Sounds like a few spare cycles working on KiCad file-format import
/ export for our tools might be a wise move if we want them to
reconsider after they have tried KiCAD.
Has anyone compared their file capabilities with ours? It may be that
we need to make pcb's format more flexible if we
DJ Delorie wrote:
Which part?
The part where geda is falling behind in visibility, user base,
developer base and as a consequence in quality.
The part where CERN found an open source app they liked,
They did not seem to like any of the two candidates in the shape it
is now.
or the part
On 09/06/2011 05:20 PM, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote:
We had a meeting at CERN on Friday and decided we would start
contributing to the Kicad project in view of taking it to a level of
quality and features suitable for our PCB design activities.
They had said that at the start, really. No surprise.
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