Re: gEDA-user: Some kind of library manager and hierarchical netlisting

2008-11-22 Thread Paul Tan
John Griessen wrote: Is the output sets of per page netlists in this case? When you invoke: (hierarchy-traversal disabled) you can still netlist multi-pages with: gnetlist -g -o foo.out foo1.sch foo2.sch ... The netlist output will be per hierarchy in this case. Best Regards, Paul Tan

Re: gEDA-user: Some kind of library manager and hierarchical netlisting

2008-11-21 Thread John Griessen
Paul Tan wrote: Hi, Currently, you can selectively disable flat Hierarchy netlisting by putting a line as follow in your project's gnetlistrc: (hierarchy-traversal disabled) Note that the above flag only affects gnetlist on that particular project directory when you run gnetlist.

Re: gEDA-user: Some kind of library manager and hierarchical netlisting

2008-11-21 Thread Peter Clifton
On Fri, 2008-11-21 at 10:04 -0600, John Griessen wrote: Is the output sets of per page netlists in this case? The output would be a netlist of the page you passed to gnetlist (not descending to fill in pieces which reference other schematic pages). No other files would be inspected. You'd have

Re: gEDA-user: Some kind of library manager and hierarchical netlisting

2008-11-21 Thread r
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 6:08 AM, Paul Tan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) Add the following 2 lines to the end of any one of the gnetlistrc files, such as the system-gnetlistrc file or your '$HOME/.gEDA/gnetlistrc file (make sure to leave an extra empty line after that): (if (assoc

Re: gEDA-user: Some kind of library manager and hierarchical netlisting

2008-11-21 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:29:34 -0500, Paul Tan wrote: Currently, you can selectively disable flat Hierarchy netlisting by putting a line as follow in your project's gnetlistrc: (hierarchy-traversal disabled) Can you enlighten me, why you don't want gnetlist to travers the hierarchy?

Re: gEDA-user: Some kind of library manager and hierarchical netlisting

2008-11-21 Thread John Doty
On Nov 21, 2008, at 3:37 PM, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:29:34 -0500, Paul Tan wrote: Currently, you can selectively disable flat Hierarchy netlisting by putting a line as follow in your project's gnetlistrc: (hierarchy-traversal disabled) Can you enlighten me, why

Re: gEDA-user: Some kind of library manager and hierarchical netlisting

2008-11-20 Thread Bernd Jendrissek
Don't worry about him. I suspect he's one of the poisonous people you run across in open software development. haven't looked at the video Al suggested yet, but planning on it. I think it's important not to jump to conclusions about any particular poster's toxicity. IMHO this video itself

Re: gEDA-user: Some kind of library manager and hierarchical netlisting

2008-11-20 Thread John Griessen
r wrote: Good for you. You're not even a you. You're anonymous. JG -- Ecosensory Austin TX ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: Some kind of library manager and hierarchical netlisting

2008-11-20 Thread John Doty
On Nov 19, 2008, at 7:11 PM, r wrote: On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 1:09 AM, John Doty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Agreed. I didn't mean gnetlist doesn't work with hierarchical designs at all - it just didn't produce any useful results last time I tried it. You haven't clearly stated what your

Re: gEDA-user: Some kind of library manager and hierarchical netlisting

2008-11-20 Thread r
On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 6:33 PM, John Doty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you explain in detail how do you generate the hierarchical netlist? Here's a simplified version of my current flow. Thanks! I'll try it. This method looks pretty good. 1. Don't use source= in your symbols. That's bad

Re: gEDA-user: Some kind of library manager and hierarchical netlisting

2008-11-20 Thread John Doty
On Nov 20, 2008, at 4:07 PM, r wrote: On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 6:33 PM, John Doty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you explain in detail how do you generate the hierarchical netlist? Here's a simplified version of my current flow. Thanks! I'll try it. This method looks pretty good. 1. Don't

Re: gEDA-user: Some kind of library manager and hierarchical netlisting

2008-11-20 Thread Paul Tan
:02 pm Subject: Re: gEDA-user: Some kind of library manager and hierarchical netlisting On Nov 20, 2008, at 4:07 PM, r wrote: On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 6:33 PM, John Doty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you explain in detail how do you generate the hierarchical netlist? Here's a simplified

Re: gEDA-user: Some kind of library manager and hierarchical netlisting

2008-11-20 Thread John Doty
! Best Regards, Paul Tan -Original Message- From: John Doty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gEDA user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org Sent: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 6:02 pm Subject: Re: gEDA-user: Some kind of library manager and hierarchical netlisting On Nov 20, 2008, at 4:07 PM, r wrote

Re: gEDA-user: Some kind of library manager and hierarchical netlisting

2008-11-20 Thread Paul Tan
Hi, There is another method to selectively disable flat Hierarchical netlisting. This one allow you to do it using gnetlist command line option flag -O : 1) Add the following 2 lines to the end of any one of the gnetlistrc files, such as the system-gnetlistrc file or your

Re: gEDA-user: Some kind of library manager and hierarchical netlisting

2008-11-19 Thread r
Hi, I hit exactly same issues last time I tried to use gschem/gnetlist. The flow simply doesn't work with hierarchical designs (and yes, there is no notion of a design library in geda). If you are willing to spend some time on it and contribute fixes to the flow that would be great. On the other

Re: gEDA-user: Some kind of library manager and hierarchical netlisting

2008-11-19 Thread Peter Clifton
On Wed, 2008-11-19 at 10:23 +, r wrote: Hi, I hit exactly same issues last time I tried to use gschem/gnetlist. The flow simply doesn't work with hierarchical designs (and yes, there is no notion of a design library in geda). That simply is not true. The netlister _does_ work with

Re: gEDA-user: Some kind of library manager and hierarchical netlisting

2008-11-19 Thread Steve Meier
Peter, I believe that gnetlist takes in a hierarchical series of schematics and flattens the schematics into a flat netlist that may then be exported into a number of flat formats. In other words the net has been flattened before reaching the backend. Hierarchical information is retained in

Re: gEDA-user: Some kind of library manager and hierarchical netlisting

2008-11-19 Thread Steve Meier
Yamazaki, I have done a fair amount of work on hierarchical netlisting. However, I run my own customized versions of libgeda and gnetlist. In my version, each page is netlisted separately and thus a back end could be written to retain the hierarchical information. Steve Meier On Tue,

Re: gEDA-user: Some kind of library manager and hierarchical netlisting

2008-11-19 Thread Peter Clifton
On Wed, 2008-11-19 at 06:04 -0800, Steve Meier wrote: Peter, I believe that gnetlist takes in a hierarchical series of schematics and flattens the schematics into a flat netlist that may then be exported into a number of flat formats. In other words the net has been flattened before

Re: gEDA-user: Some kind of library manager and hierarchical netlisting

2008-11-19 Thread John Griessen
Peter Clifton wrote: That simply is not true. The netlister _does_ work with hierarchical designs, but typically, our back-ends target a flat output, such as for PCB. Don't worry about him. I suspect he's one of the poisonous people you run across in open software development. haven't

Re: gEDA-user: Some kind of library manager and hierarchical netlisting

2008-11-19 Thread r
On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 2:49 PM, Peter Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2008-11-19 at 06:04 -0800, Steve Meier wrote: Peter, I believe that gnetlist takes in a hierarchical series of schematics and flattens the schematics into a flat netlist that may then be exported into a number of

Re: gEDA-user: Some kind of library manager and hierarchical netlisting

2008-11-19 Thread r
On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 11:54 PM, John Griessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter Clifton wrote: That simply is not true. The netlister _does_ work with hierarchical designs, but typically, our back-ends target a flat output, such as for PCB. Don't worry about him. I suspect he's one of the

Re: gEDA-user: Some kind of library manager and hierarchical netlisting

2008-11-19 Thread John Doty
On Nov 19, 2008, at 5:17 PM, r wrote: Agreed. I didn't mean gnetlist doesn't work with hierarchical designs at all - it just didn't produce any useful results last time I tried it. You haven't clearly stated what your problem was. I've done both hierarchical VLSI designs (SPICE style:

Re: gEDA-user: Some kind of library manager and hierarchical netlisting

2008-11-19 Thread r
On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 1:09 AM, John Doty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Agreed. I didn't mean gnetlist doesn't work with hierarchical designs at all - it just didn't produce any useful results last time I tried it. You haven't clearly stated what your problem was. I've done both hierarchical

gEDA-user: Some kind of library manager and hierarchical netlisting

2008-11-18 Thread Yamazaki R2
Has anybody made some kind of library manager like the cadence library manager in icfb to manage schematics and symbols? Something where in the schematic editor I can type in a library name and cell name it and automatically instantiates the symbol/schematic combo in the hierarchy?