Re: gEDA-user: hydraulic symbols and schematics

2010-04-09 Thread Tom Hawkins
] On Behalf Of Tom Hawkins Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 4:13 AM To: gEDA user mailing list Subject: Re: gEDA-user: hydraulic symbols and schematics Thanks for all the input.  Here's the little hydraulic symbol library I started: http://tomahawkins.org/gschem-hydraulics.png http://github.com

Re: gEDA-user: hydraulic symbols and schematics

2010-04-08 Thread Bert Timmerman
your forkqueue :-) Kind regards, Bert Timmerman. -Original Message- From: geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org [mailto:geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org] On Behalf Of Tom Hawkins Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 4:13 AM To: gEDA user mailing list Subject: Re: gEDA-user: hydraulic

Re: gEDA-user: hydraulic symbols and schematics

2010-04-08 Thread Florian Teply
John Doty j...@noqsi.com wrote: On Apr 7, 2010, at 11:54 AM, al davis wrote: On Wednesday 07 April 2010, Stuart Brorson wrote: Do you foresee any other difficulties? ... aside from simulating a hydraulic circuit with spice or generating a layout. Actually, my first thought was: What

Re: gEDA-user: hydraulic symbols and schematics

2010-04-08 Thread al davis
On Thursday 08 April 2010, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: This is one of the strange consequences of the common law system. In the rest of the world, where civil law is applied, ignorance of the delinquent does not diminish the forfeit. It isn't law that you could be ignorant of. It's a work.

Re: gEDA-user: hydraulic symbols and schematics

2010-04-08 Thread John Doty
On Apr 8, 2010, at 2:35 AM, Florian Teply wrote: Umm, now that you mention Mathematica: Do you know of a way of feeding from gEDA to Open Source computer math packages like octave or scilab? Not that i'd currently feel a personal need of it, but i'm curious. Such information often came in

Re: gEDA-user: hydraulic symbols and schematics

2010-04-08 Thread Stephen Williams
Stuart Brorson wrote: Do you foresee any other difficulties? ... aside from simulating a hydraulic circuit with spice or generating a layout. Actually, my first thought was: What kinds of simulations (if any) does one do in hydraulics? Are there any standard simulators? If so,

gEDA-user: hydraulic symbols and schematics

2010-04-07 Thread Tom Hawkins
Hi, Obviously gschem is intended for electric circuits, but has anyone used it for hydraulic schematics? The hydraulics industry has defined a fairly rich schematic language [1][2] for describing hydraulic and pneumatic systems. I didn't find a gschem hydraulic symbol library, so I'm attempting

Re: gEDA-user: hydraulic symbols and schematics

2010-04-07 Thread Stuart Brorson
Hi -- Obviously gschem is intended for electric circuits, but has anyone used it for hydraulic schematics? The hydraulics industry has defined a fairly rich schematic language [1][2] for describing hydraulic and pneumatic systems. I didn't find a gschem hydraulic symbol library, so I'm

Re: gEDA-user: hydraulic symbols and schematics

2010-04-07 Thread Tom Hawkins
On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Stuart Brorson s...@cloud9.net wrote: Hi -- Obviously gschem is intended for electric circuits, but has anyone used it for hydraulic schematics?  The hydraulics industry has defined a fairly rich schematic language [1][2] for describing hydraulic and

Re: gEDA-user: hydraulic symbols and schematics

2010-04-07 Thread al davis
On Wednesday 07 April 2010, Stuart Brorson wrote: Do you foresee any other difficulties? ... aside from simulating a hydraulic circuit with spice or generating a layout. Actually, my first thought was: What kinds of simulations (if any) does one do in hydraulics? Are there any

Re: gEDA-user: hydraulic symbols and schematics

2010-04-07 Thread Bob Paddock
If you look at some hydraulic schematics, you'll see a rich duality between electric and hydraulic circuits.  For example, the pressure drop across an orifice is analogous to the voltage drop across a resistor.  Hydraulic power is pressure * flow (i.e. V * I).

Re: gEDA-user: hydraulic symbols and schematics

2010-04-07 Thread John Doty
On Apr 7, 2010, at 11:54 AM, al davis wrote: On Wednesday 07 April 2010, Stuart Brorson wrote: Do you foresee any other difficulties? ... aside from simulating a hydraulic circuit with spice or generating a layout. Actually, my first thought was: What kinds of simulations (if any) does

Re: gEDA-user: hydraulic symbols and schematics

2010-04-07 Thread Bert Timmerman
-user-boun...@moria.seul.org] On Behalf Of Bob Paddock Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 8:10 PM To: gEDA user mailing list Subject: Re: gEDA-user: hydraulic symbols and schematics If you look at some hydraulic schematics, you'll see a rich duality between electric and hydraulic circuits

Re: gEDA-user: hydraulic symbols and schematics

2010-04-07 Thread Dave McGuire
On Apr 7, 2010, at 2:46 PM, Bert Timmerman wrote: Do not discuss patents here please ! This is highly contageous and attracts law suits. Without the mentioning of patents the general idea would have come across as well. Oh good heavens. Mentioning the existence of a patent, and

Re: gEDA-user: hydraulic symbols and schematics

2010-04-07 Thread DJ Delorie
Oh good heavens. Mentioning the existence of a patent, and suggesting it as good reading because it contains interesting and geeky science stuff, attracts LAWSUITS? Regardless, I would also say do not discuss patents here, for various (legal and otherwise) reasons.

Re: gEDA-user: hydraulic symbols and schematics

2010-04-07 Thread al davis
On Wednesday 07 April 2010, Bert Timmerman wrote: Do not discuss patents here please ! Did you notice the date? (1934) ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: hydraulic symbols and schematics

2010-04-07 Thread Ales Hvezda
On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Dave McGuire mcgu...@neurotica.com wrote: On Apr 7, 2010, at 2:46 PM, Bert Timmerman wrote: Do not discuss patents here please ! This is highly contageous and attracts law suits. Without the mentioning of patents the general idea would have come across as

Re: gEDA-user: hydraulic symbols and schematics

2010-04-07 Thread Dave McGuire
On Apr 7, 2010, at 2:51 PM, Ales Hvezda wrote: Do not discuss patents here please ! This is highly contageous and attracts law suits. Without the mentioning of patents the general idea would have come across as well. Oh good heavens. Mentioning the existence of a patent, and

Re: gEDA-user: hydraulic symbols and schematics

2010-04-07 Thread DJ Delorie
Ok, that's fine by me, as it's your list. But could you explain how it could be dangerous? That suggestion sounds quite ludicrous to me. For starters, archived proof that you knew of the existence of a patent automatically triples any damages you may have to pay.

Re: gEDA-user: hydraulic symbols and schematics

2010-04-07 Thread Dave McGuire
On Apr 7, 2010, at 2:58 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: Ok, that's fine by me, as it's your list. But could you explain how it could be dangerous? That suggestion sounds quite ludicrous to me. For starters, archived proof that you knew of the existence of a patent automatically triples any damages

Re: gEDA-user: hydraulic symbols and schematics

2010-04-07 Thread Bas Gieltjes
Tom, I didn't find a gschem hydraulic symbol library, so I'm attempting to build one. My first stumbling block is the use of filled and non-filled triangles, which differentiate hydraulic pumps from pneumatic compressors. Is it possible to draw filled triangles or polygons with gschem?

Re: gEDA-user: hydraulic symbols and schematics

2010-04-07 Thread al davis
On Wednesday 07 April 2010, Dave McGuire wrote: Ok, that's fine by me, as it's your list. But could you explain how it could be dangerous? That suggestion sounds quite ludicrous to me. In general, it really does present a huge legal risk, so I agree with the policy. In this case,

Re: gEDA-user: hydraulic symbols and schematics

2010-04-07 Thread Bert Timmerman
-user-boun...@moria.seul.org] On Behalf Of Tom Hawkins Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 7:41 PM To: gEDA user mailing list Subject: Re: gEDA-user: hydraulic symbols and schematics On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Stuart Brorson s...@cloud9.net wrote: Hi -- Obviously gschem is intended

Re: gEDA-user: hydraulic symbols and schematics

2010-04-07 Thread Matthew Wilkins
You might find University of South Carolina 's VTB (Virtual Test Bench) software useful. It is free to download (but seems to be closed source -- I couldn't find any details on the license). [1]http://vtb.engr.sc.edu/vtbwebsite/#/Overview It's intended for doing multidisciplinary

Re: gEDA-user: hydraulic symbols and schematics

2010-04-07 Thread Dave McGuire
On Apr 7, 2010, at 3:14 PM, al davis wrote: Ok, that's fine by me, as it's your list. But could you explain how it could be dangerous? That suggestion sounds quite ludicrous to me. In general, it really does present a huge legal risk, so I agree with the policy. I will respect the

Re: gEDA-user: hydraulic symbols and schematics

2010-04-07 Thread Tom Hawkins
Thanks for all the input. Here's the little hydraulic symbol library I started: http://tomahawkins.org/gschem-hydraulics.png http://github.com/tomahawkins/hydraulics A bit later I'll looking into path fills, and after that, netlisting this into something that can be simulated. Thanks for your