Re: gEDA-user: personal component library frustration-HELP/suggestions please?

2011-08-16 Thread John Hudak
Thank you Stephen. When you say 'others rely on them'..Why do they rely on them? I get the feeling that there is some feature or property that some ppl find important enough to use them (over the other libraries). My first attempt at creating symbols is with DJboxsym. It was

Re: gEDA-user: personal component library frustration-HELP/suggestions please?

2011-08-16 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
Stephen Ecob wrote: In that case download them and start modifying and adding to them as needed. Note, that the collection at gedasymbols can be downloaded wholesale with anonymous cvs. No need to pick single items at a time. ---)kaimartin(--- -- Kai-Martin Knaak Email: k...@familieknaak.de

Re: gEDA-user: personal component library frustration-HELP/suggestions please?

2011-08-16 Thread Stephen Ecob
Hi John, On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 10:07 PM, John Hudak jjhu...@gmail.com wrote:   Thank you Stephen.   When you say 'others rely on them'..Why do they rely on them?  I get   the feeling that there is some feature or property that some ppl find   important enough to use them (over the other

Re: gEDA-user: personal component library frustration-HELP/suggestions please?

2011-08-16 Thread Peter Clifton
On Mon, 2011-08-15 at 13:14 -0700, Colin D Bennett wrote: On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 22:02:07 +0200 I can't see any reason NOT to use the skip-m4 option. Every footprint in the default pcb library is available as a newlib-format footprint, right? Actually (and sadly), no.. there are some naming

gEDA-user: personal component library frustration-HELP/suggestions please?

2011-08-15 Thread John Hudak
I've created two directories in my home directory to store symbol files that I create, and another directory to store footprints I create: /home/jjh/project/component_symbols /home/jjh/project/component_footprints How do I modify gschem to look in my home directory for symbols AS

Re: gEDA-user: personal component library frustration-HELP/suggestions please?

2011-08-15 Thread Colin D Bennett
On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 14:23:15 -0400 John Hudak jjhu...@gmail.com wrote: I've created two directories in my home directory to store symbol files that I create, and another directory to store footprints I create: /home/jjh/project/component_symbols /home/jjh/project/component_footprints How

Re: gEDA-user: personal component library frustration-HELP/suggestions please?

2011-08-15 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
John Hudak wrote: I've created two directories in my home directory to store symbol files that I create, and another directory to store footprints I create: /home/jjh/project/component_symbols /home/jjh/project/component_footprints How do I modify gschem to look in my home directory for

Re: gEDA-user: personal component library frustration-HELP/suggestions please?

2011-08-15 Thread Colin D Bennett
On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 22:02:07 +0200 Kai-Martin Knaak k...@familieknaak.de wrote: /-- YOUR-PROJECT.g2p --- schematics YOUR-PROJECT.sch output-name YOUR-PROJECT elements-dir FULL-PATH-TO-THE-DIR-BELOW-THE_DIRS-THAT-CONTAIN-YOUR-FOOTPRINTS

Re: gEDA-user: personal component library frustration-HELP/suggestions please?

2011-08-15 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
Colin D Bennett wrote: No big deal, just copy the symbols from the component library into your new design project's Symbols directory as you need them. This small effort is, for me, completely worth it for the robustness provided by avoiding dependency on external symbol libraries. It

Re: gEDA-user: personal component library frustration-HELP/suggestions please?

2011-08-15 Thread Colin D Bennett
On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 22:24:24 +0200 Kai-Martin Knaak k...@familieknaak.de wrote: Colin D Bennett wrote: No big deal, just copy the symbols from the component library into your new design project's Symbols directory as you need them. This small effort is, for me, completely worth it for

Re: gEDA-user: personal component library frustration-HELP/suggestions please?

2011-08-15 Thread John Hudak
I always add the options skip-m4 and use-files because I don't want any of the M4 generated footprints, ever. But this may be due to personal prejudice. This brings up another issue I am havingAs a neophyte to this tool set (but not to EDA tools in general), what is the deal

Re: gEDA-user: personal component library frustration-HELP/suggestions please?

2011-08-15 Thread Stephen Ecob
Hi John, On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 7:24 AM, John Hudak jjhu...@gmail.com wrote:   I always add the options skip-m4 and use-files because I don't   want any of the M4 generated footprints, ever. But this may be due   to personal prejudice.   This brings up another issue I am havingAs a

Re: gEDA-user: personal component library frustration-HELP/suggestions please?

2011-08-15 Thread DJ Delorie
This brings up another issue I am havingAs a neophyte to this tool set (but not to EDA tools in general), what is the deal with m4 files? They're dynamically generated (M4 is a parser). So, you create one M4 template for a, say, DIP part, and then you can ask for any DIPN footprint and it

Re: gEDA-user: personal component library frustration-HELP/suggestions please?

2011-08-15 Thread John Hudak
So, let me paraphrase what I think you said: I create (or use) one m4 template (either symbol or footprint), that is 'generic' and when I want to instantiate that template in gschem I can add/specify additional properties, i.e. #pins, signal direction, etc. ?? Sort of like the

Re: gEDA-user: personal component library frustration-HELP/suggestions please?

2011-08-15 Thread DJ Delorie
I create (or use) one m4 template (either symbol or footprint), that is Just footprints. I still don't get it...so for a neophite to this tool, should I use them or not? Probably not. Easier to just create the specific footprints you want, either manually or via a script, and save them in

Re: gEDA-user: personal component library frustration-HELP/suggestions please?

2011-08-15 Thread Stephen Ecob
Hi John, I think you'll find it easiest if you ignore M4 at the start - you don't need it. One great resource is gedasymbols: http://www.gedasymbols.org/ There are are lots of symbols and footprints there that have been contributed by the community. You can search for them by name or browse