Re: gEDA-user: test repo

2011-09-06 Thread Kovacs Levente
On Mon, 5 Sep 2011 16:43:43 -0400 DJ Delorie d...@delorie.com wrote: And nine women can have a baby in a month :-) -- Kovacs Levente leventel...@gmail.com Voice: +36705071002 ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org

Re: gEDA-user: test repo

2011-09-05 Thread DJ Delorie
Kai-Martin Knaak k...@familieknaak.de writes: But big text is still broken. Big text is now fixed. The LP bug had a proposed solution in it already, too, which you could have used. Also, you can now try this: ./configure --enable-coord64 if you think you're seeing overflow problems,

Re: gEDA-user: test repo

2011-09-05 Thread Bert Timmerman
Hi DJ, -Original Message- From: geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org [mailto:geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org] On Behalf Of DJ Delorie Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 6:52 AM To: gEDA user mailing list Subject: Re: gEDA-user: test repo Maybe give a non-dev volunteer permission

Re: gEDA-user: test repo

2011-09-05 Thread Bob Paddock
Thanks for setting up such a service, a well kept secret until now Its been discussed before. let's keep this one quite as not to waken the wild hoards of windoze users ;-) Should windoze users file bug reports in LP for these nightly windows snapshots too ? Bugs are bugs, they need

Re: gEDA-user: test repo

2011-09-05 Thread Gareth Edwards
On 5 September 2011 14:28, Bob Paddock bob.padd...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for setting up such a service, a well kept secret until now let's keep this one quite as not to waken the wild hoards of windoze users ;-) Should windoze users file bug reports in LP for these nightly windows

Re: gEDA-user: test repo

2011-09-05 Thread Peter Clifton
On Mon, 2011-09-05 at 15:14 +0100, Gareth Edwards wrote: In fact, I'd go further and say that if we also had a native OS X build (not macports/fink) we'd have a pretty killer proposition for the open hardware community. First person to send me a shiny Apple laptop bought themselves that

Re: gEDA-user: test repo

2011-09-05 Thread Gareth Edwards
On 5 September 2011 15:16, Peter Clifton pc...@cam.ac.uk wrote: First person to send me a shiny Apple laptop bought themselves that development work ;) (Seriously). I have one, but Objective-C and Cocoa are completely alien to me, otherwise I'd be all over it. Gareth

Re: gEDA-user: test repo

2011-09-05 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
DJ Delorie wrote: If this happens too often, I may have to quit using and testing the cutting edge version. After all, I still have to get my projects done. I guess, other users feel the same. This has always been the case. No reason not to change sub optimum habits. If you want a

Re: gEDA-user: test repo

2011-09-05 Thread DJ Delorie
Thanks for setting up such a service, a well kept secret until now, and let's keep this one quite as not to waken the wild hoards of windoze users ;-) Well, I wanted a few people to try it to see if it worked, but apparently I need to ask a wider audience to get enough testers. If anyone

Re: gEDA-user: test repo

2011-09-05 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
Andrew Poelstra wrote: On Mon, Sep 05, 2011 at 03:21:25AM +0200, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: Proposal to tone down the impact of patches breaking important features: Add a branch test to git. This branch would work pretty much like sid/unstable repo of debian. It would receive all the

Re: gEDA-user: test repo

2011-09-05 Thread DJ Delorie
If you want real world testing, provide an environment with proper fall back options. The fall back option is to use a release. Debian even has four stages (experimental, unstable, testing and stable). Debian has a huge development community. We have a tiny one. Any suggestion that

Re: gEDA-user: test repo

2011-09-05 Thread Russell Dill
with one checked-out version you know works, or maintain your own bugfix branch.  Git head is where development happens, and when we're bringing in big changes, stuff breaks. This is why other projects like KiCAD provide a dedicated testing repo. Debian even has four stages (experimental,

Re: gEDA-user: test repo

2011-09-05 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
DJ Delorie wrote: If you want real world testing, provide an environment with proper fall back options. The fall back option is to use a release. It won't be an option once file format changes kick in. Debian even has four stages (experimental, unstable, testing and stable). Debian

Re: gEDA-user: test repo

2011-09-05 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
DJ Delorie wrote: If additional filtering is desired: One of the core developers Again, we just don't have enough core developers to add any burden to them. We need options that *reduce* the load on developers, to encourage more participation. See the if in my sentence. Core developers

Re: gEDA-user: test repo

2011-09-05 Thread DJ Delorie
The fall back option is to use a release. It won't be an option once file format changes kick in. Always true for any new feature you want to use. Wait until there's a stable release with that feature, then migrate forward. In 2005 Debian had 1200 maintainers for 8400 packages.

Re: gEDA-user: test repo

2011-09-05 Thread DJ Delorie
The patch-maintainer does not have to cherry pick anything. So what you're asking for is a release manager. Ok, put up some money to hire one, because we don't have anyone to do that at the moment. Meanwhile, please stop suggesting changes that require more man-power. We don't have any to

Re: gEDA-user: test repo

2011-09-05 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
Bob Paddock wrote: Outside of our group here gEDA/PCB/Et.Al. are seen as toys and hard to use. Maybe we should all asks ourselves why? Part of the reason may be seen on youtube. Yesterday, I was surprised to see a number of geda/PCB tutorials there. I watched only a few. All of them made

Re: gEDA-user: test repo

2011-09-05 Thread Bert Timmerman
Hi Russell, -Original Message- From: geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org [mailto:geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org] On Behalf Of Russell Dill Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 10:21 PM To: gEDA user mailing list Cc: geda-u...@seul.org Subject: Re: gEDA-user: test repo with one

Re: gEDA-user: test repo

2011-09-05 Thread Russell Dill
list Cc: geda-u...@seul.org Subject: Re: gEDA-user: test repo with one checked-out version you know works, or maintain your own bugfix branch.  Git head is where development happens, and when we're bringing in big changes, stuff breaks. This is why other projects like KiCAD provide

gEDA-user: test repo

2011-09-04 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
For the last two (three?) years I used and tested Peters pcb+GL branch of PCB because it provided the joy of speed and transparency. If Peter would screw his version, which he rarely did, I could fall back to git-head from gpleda.org . Fall back to the last relased version of PCB would have been

Re: gEDA-user: test repo

2011-09-04 Thread DJ Delorie
If this happens too often, I may have to quit using and testing the cutting edge version. After all, I still have to get my projects done. I guess, other users feel the same. This has always been the case. If you want a stable reliable tool, use a released version, or stick with one

Re: gEDA-user: test repo

2011-09-04 Thread Andrew Poelstra
On Mon, Sep 05, 2011 at 03:21:25AM +0200, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: Proposal to tone down the impact of patches breaking important features: Add a branch test to git. This branch would work pretty much like sid/unstable repo of debian. It would receive all the new stuff so advanced

Re: gEDA-user: test repo

2011-09-04 Thread Jared Casper
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 6:21 PM, Kai-Martin Knaak k...@familieknaak.de wrote: back to git-head from gpleda.org . Fall back to the last relased version of PCB would have been not so nice, because of the long release cycle. On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 7:14 PM, DJ Delorie d...@delorie.com wrote: use a

Re: gEDA-user: test repo

2011-09-04 Thread DJ Delorie
Maybe give a non-dev volunteer permission to make official development snapshots, similar to how Icarus Verilog has done in the past. Go for it, I say. It's Free Software, they don't need permission, they just need dedication. If they offer something useful, people will use it. Note that I

Re: gEDA-user: test repo

2011-09-04 Thread Jared Casper
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 9:52 PM, DJ Delorie d...@delorie.com wrote: Maybe give a non-dev volunteer permission to make official development snapshots, similar to how Icarus Verilog has done in the past. Go for it, I say.  It's Free Software, they don't need permission, they just need