Re: gEDA-user: gnetlist -g drc2 and pintype

2010-09-27 Thread Armin Faltl
kai-martin knaak wrote: Karl Hammar wrote: Running gnetlist -g drc2 on a schematic I get: input/output -- pwr input and output are meant to refer to signals. The DRC assumes that signals should never be connected to power lines. With analog circuits there is no strict

Re: gEDA-user: gnetlist -g drc2 and pintype

2010-09-27 Thread Rick Collins
Tying a digital input directly to a power rail is a bit like doing a crossword puzzle in ink. You need a lot of confidence to do that in a real design. I typically use a resistor to pull them up or down. That can always be hacked, power connections can be hard to access to modify them.

Re: gEDA-user: new footprint guidelines

2010-09-27 Thread Rick Collins
I am curious about the reasoning for picking values of design rules. I have not found the assembly houses to be very useful for this sort of info. They seem to be willing to work with whatever they are sent and will only give feedback when something causes real trouble for them. At 12:51

Re: gEDA-user: new footprint guidelines

2010-09-27 Thread Armin Faltl
Just 10 minutes ago I had my 1st talk with my first assembly house. Guess what! I'm asked to provide rotation data. In the other mail I'm currently editing, I'm trying to provide definitions on where X- and Y-axis is on a part, including where X+ is on mechanically doubly symmetrical polar

Re: gEDA-user: new footprint guidelines

2010-09-27 Thread Rick Collins
I had to go through all this some time ago and recently I wanted to iron out all the difficulties so that the assembly house could use my XYRS file (location and rotation data) directly without alteration. That ended up being a fool's errand, but I did learn a few things. IPC has a standard

Re: gEDA-user: new footprint guidelines

2010-09-27 Thread DJ Delorie
Mask should be 3 mil away from copper, and slivers should be at least 6 mil wide. That means, if there's less than 12 mil between pads you go with a gang-opening. Where did you get these numbers? Did a manufacturer give this as their capability limit? Yes. I've found this to be the

Re: gEDA-user: new footprint guidelines

2010-09-27 Thread Bob Paddock
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Rick Collins gnuarm.2...@arius.com wrote:  They [Assembly houses] seem to be willing to work with whatever they are sent and will only give feedback when something causes real trouble for them. You have to ask, unfortunately. When you send a new project in to a

Re: gEDA-user: pcb minor release, C++ and Gtk cleanup

2010-09-27 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
Andrew Poelstra wrote: 2. We need to have a minor release (1.99za?) to get all the little crap out of the pipeline before we break everything. And please, please apply as much of Peter Cliftons pcb version as possible before you start. It is not only about the openGL and 3D hack for

gEDA-user: Zero length pins

2010-09-27 Thread John Doty
Folks, In response to a question on the chat, I've been playing around with pins of zero graphical length. It turns out that these work quite well. Why would anyone want such? Well, they allow you to put a connection point on any graphic, not just the end of a line of a particular style. The

Re: gEDA-user: new footprint guidelines

2010-09-27 Thread Rick Collins
I've done that. I go to the assembly house to test my boards so they can be repaired before I accept delivery and talk with them all the time. The only complaint they have is a connector that hangs over the edge of the board which I can't do anything about unfortunately, it is due to an old

Re: gEDA-user: pcb minor release, C++ and Gtk cleanup

2010-09-27 Thread ineiev
Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: And please, please apply as much of Peter Cliftons pcb version as possible before you start. It is not only about the openGL and 3D hack for visuals, but a huge bag of little useful improvements. Let's not loose them on the way. I hope this won't break the Lesstif

Re: gEDA-user: gnetlist -g drc2 and pintype

2010-09-27 Thread Carlos Nieves Ónega
Hi Karl, El dom, 26-09-2010 a las 11:33 +0200, Karl Hammar escribió: [snip] Checking pins without the 'pintype' attribute... Checking type of pins connected to a net... WARNING: Pin(s) with pintype 'output': U2:9 are connected by net 'unnamed_net61' to pin(s) with pintype

gEDA-user: Icarus Verilog 0.9.3 is Available

2010-09-27 Thread Stephen Williams
The developers are pleased to announce the next stable release in the 0.9 series, version 0.9.3. Icarus Verilog is a mostly complete implementation of the hardware description language Verilog, as described in IEEE Std 1364-2005. It also includes a number of user requested extensions. It is

Re: gEDA-user: Zero length pins

2010-09-27 Thread kai-martin knaak
John Doty wrote: Appending the following line to your .sym file will get you started: P 100 100 100 100 1 0 0 Nice. I added this to the wiki. http://geda.seul.org/wiki/geda:faq-gschem#is_it_possible_to_have_zero_length_pins Unattached, it looks like a little red flag, while with a net

Re: gEDA-user: gnetlist -g drc2 and pintype

2010-09-27 Thread kai-martin knaak
kai-martin knaak wrote: The unconnected pins can be left unconnected, how can I make it accept that? I don't know. I put my own nc.sym at pins that are deliberately not connected. This symbol contains just one pin and no net. However, DRC still complains, because the generated net is