Re: gEDA-user: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB

2010-12-05 Thread Armin Faltl
Stefan Salewski wrote: On Thu, 2010-12-02 at 16:13 -0500, Bob Paddock wrote: Peter, while all of this sounds great, could we fix the collective problems that we have now first? To many of us PCB is used to ship products, preferably today. Fixing problems is not always fun, especially

Re: gEDA-user: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB

2010-12-05 Thread Anthony Blake
On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 10:02 PM, Armin Faltl armin.fa...@aon.at wrote: There are blackboards for freelance engineers, to make a defined feature in opensource software. This seems a good model of payment to me. The problem to me in our case is atm: - the writer of a certain feature is not

Re: gEDA-user: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB

2010-12-05 Thread timecop
Yes, if you were having difficulty with the END_LOOP macro, I can understand why you didn't venture any deeper into the code. I just saw the rest of the crap in the header file containing #define END_LOOP }} and I'm with Armin on that one, this is pretty ridiculous. Fixing problems is not

Re: gEDA-user: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB

2010-12-05 Thread Anthony Blake
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 3:40 AM, timecop time...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, if you were having difficulty with the END_LOOP macro, I can understand why you didn't venture any deeper into the code. I just saw the rest of the crap in the header file containing #define END_LOOP }} and I'm with Armin

Re: gEDA-user: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB

2010-12-05 Thread Armin Faltl
Anthony Blake wrote: Yes, if you were having difficulty with the END_LOOP macro, I can understand why you didn't venture any deeper into the code. I had no difficulty finding or understanding the macro, but I have a huge problem to work on code, where others deliberately introduce stuff,

gEDA-user: Chamfer

2010-12-05 Thread George M. Gallant, Jr.
Is there a method to automatically apply chamfer to an entire board? George ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB

2010-12-05 Thread Anthony Blake
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 4:18 AM, Armin Faltl armin.fa...@aon.at wrote: Anthony Blake wrote: Yes, if you were having difficulty with the END_LOOP macro, I can understand why you didn't venture any deeper into the code. I had no difficulty finding or understanding the macro, but I have a huge

Re: gEDA-user: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB

2010-12-05 Thread Bob Paddock
I don't think a few 'maintenance nightmares' or matching '{' problems are good reasons for giving up and just doing nothing instead. You don't have to like the macros and so on to fix bugs, and IMO just nutting up and dealing with the matching '{' issues Not using the real braces make style

Re: gEDA-user: Clearance in fiducials blocking solder paste

2010-12-05 Thread Oliver King-Smith
So I tried adding an Arc statement to my footprint, but I am getting a syntax error on import. Here is a snippet of the pcb file, that was generated from my footprint with an Arc inside it. Element[ soic-08-d.fp U? unknown 0 0 0 0 0 100 ] ( Pad [-12204 -15000 -12204 -15000

Re: gEDA-user: Clearance in fiducials blocking solder paste

2010-12-05 Thread John Luciani
Arcs aren't allowed in footprints. You can overlay rectangular pads along an arc if you need to. The footprint I use for fiducials is below. The request from the assembly house was 1mm pad with 3mm clearance. The board that assembled my last board did not mention any problems (and the board

Re: gEDA-user: Clearance in fiducials blocking solder paste

2010-12-05 Thread Vanessa Ezekowitz
On Sun, 5 Dec 2010 12:54:00 -0500 John Luciani jluci...@gmail.com wrote: Arcs aren't allowed in footprints. [...] This begs the question, since arcs can be placed on the silk layer in a footprint, is there a particular reason why PCB couldn't be tweaked to allow them on copper layers? --

Re: gEDA-user: Clearance in fiducials blocking solder paste

2010-12-05 Thread Markus Hitter
Am 05.12.2010 um 18:54 schrieb John Luciani: Arcs aren't allowed in footprints. D'oh. Neither me nor my copy of PCB knew that so this rectangle with rounded corners worked fine: ElementLine [-46000 -12450 46000 -12450 1000] ElementLine [-46000 12450 46000 12450 1000] ElementLine

Re: gEDA-user: Clearance in fiducials blocking solder paste

2010-12-05 Thread Steven Michalske
This is in the silkscreen of the footprint. Steve On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 10:29 AM, Markus Hitter m...@jump-ing.de wrote: Am 05.12.2010 um 18:54 schrieb John Luciani: Arcs aren't allowed in footprints. D'oh. Neither me nor my copy of PCB knew that so this rectangle with rounded corners

Re: gEDA-user: Clearance in fiducials blocking solder paste

2010-12-05 Thread Oliver King-Smith
The problem with this approach is exactly what started off my quest for the Arc. Namely the autorouter is routing through the keepout space on the fiducials. Oliver __ From: John Luciani jluci...@gmail.com To:

Re: gEDA-user: Chamfer

2010-12-05 Thread Stephen Ecob
I don't think chamfering is available. Other related features are available though: Mitering is available from Connects-Optimize routed tracks-Miter. Only works for intersections with one vertical trace meeting one horizontal trace. A puller is available from Connects-Optimize routed

Re: gEDA-user: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB

2010-12-05 Thread Stephen Ecob
On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 2:20 AM, Peter Clifton pc...@cam.ac.uk wrote: On Sat, 2010-12-04 at 11:15 +1100, Stephen Ecob wrote: branch.. sorry). [...] So, a mix of NOT LEAKS, and might be leaks. We need back-traces of the cases where callers are allocating things repeatedly and not freeing them.

Re: gEDA-user: Toporouter VERY slow?

2010-12-05 Thread kai-martin knaak
Anthony Blake wrote: Any chance, this is going to change? I'm busy with school work at the moment.. I'll get to it eventually, if someone else doesn't do it first.. I'll take this as a no. ---)kaimartin(--- -- Kai-Martin Knaak Öffentlicher PGP-Schlüssel:

Re: gEDA-user: Toporouter VERY slow?

2010-12-05 Thread Anthony Blake
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 10:03 AM, kai-martin knaak k...@familieknaak.de wrote: Anthony Blake wrote: Any chance, this is going to change? I'm busy with school work at the moment.. I'll get to it eventually, if someone else doesn't do it first.. I'll take this as a no. Yep, thats a no. Most

Re: gEDA-user: Clearance in fiducials blocking solder paste

2010-12-05 Thread Levente Kovacs
Hi, Attached is a fiducial example. Enjoy! -- Levente Kovacs http://levente.logonex.eu fidu.fp Description: Binary data ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: Toporouter VERY slow?

2010-12-05 Thread Stefan Salewski
On Mon, 2010-12-06 at 10:53 +1300, Anthony Blake wrote: Yep, thats a no. Most people who use PCB prefer a MS paint style interface where they spend a long time drawing lots of straight lines by hand, so I can't really be bothered. Good luck with that! Best wishes, Anthony :-[ I must

Re: gEDA-user: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB

2010-12-05 Thread kai-martin knaak
Stefan Salewski wrote: Fixing problems is not always fun, especially if one is not really suffering from these problems oneself. It is even less fun if the fix is ignored or not liked by the regular developers. BTDTGNT ---)kaimartin(--- -- Kai-Martin Knaak Öffentlicher PGP-Schlüssel:

Re: gEDA-user: Toporouter VERY slow?

2010-12-05 Thread Anthony Blake
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 11:25 AM, Stefan Salewski m...@ssalewski.de wrote: I must have missed a lot of that postings? See pcjc2's thread on a futuristic interface. You may be disappointed that no other people have continued working on your great router -- I guess the reason is that many of us

Re: gEDA-user: Toporouter VERY slow?

2010-12-05 Thread Steven Michalske
Anthony, I look forward to your hard work, it is very impressive, and reminds me of the layouts from years ago, where they were taped out and pretty. None of this manhattan grid. I know that Adding via's are non trivial for an auto router, with your topological auto router, will it use a via

Re: gEDA-user: new refdes_renum

2010-12-05 Thread kai-martin knaak
Joshua E. Lansford wrote: I noticed that the refdes_renum does not take note of the slot attribute of components. ack. This is on my list of most useful work-flow improvements. It is written in java My experience with utilities written in java is mixed. More often than not, the

Re: gEDA-user: Chamfer

2010-12-05 Thread George M. Gallant, Jr.
Well that was interesting. The tracks-Miter made it look very sloppy and the completely hung PCB. Using version 20100929. George On 12/05/2010 03:40 PM, Stephen Ecob wrote: I don't think chamfering is available. Other related features are available though: Mitering is available from

Re: gEDA-user: Toporouter VERY slow?

2010-12-05 Thread Anthony Blake
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Steven Michalske smichal...@gmail.com wrote: I look forward to your hard work, it is very impressive, and reminds me of the layouts from years ago, where they were taped out and pretty.  None of this manhattan grid. Yeah, I love the curvilinear hand layouts in

Re: gEDA-user: Chamfer

2010-12-05 Thread Stephen Ecob
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 9:28 AM, George M. Gallant, Jr. ggallant...@verizon.net wrote: Well that was interesting. The tracks-Miter made it look very sloppy and the completely hung PCB. Using version 20100929. look very sloppy - could you be more specific ? A couple of notes on using the Miter

gEDA-user: My branches (some renames)

2010-12-05 Thread Peter Clifton
I've had a tidy up of my branches for the sake of user sanity: RENAMES: master - pours before_pours - pcb+gl --- This is the one you want! My head-name is pcb+gl, and I've set repo.or.cz to check this branch out by default when you do: git clone git://repo.or.cz/geda-pcb/pcjc2.git

gEDA-user: Small patch to aid use of lib dmalloc

2010-12-05 Thread Stephen Ecob
If you use (or intend to use) lib dmalloc with PCB you will find the following useful. I've uploaded a patch against current heaad to sourceforge, ID #3129279, described as follows: PCB supports the use of the dmalloc library as a configuration option. This patch makes the PCB source code more