Re: gEDA-user: Reinventing the wheel

2011-05-18 Thread Markus Hitter
Am 18.05.2011 um 04:25 schrieb Kai-Martin Knaak: kicad is the EDA chosen by some high profile open hardware projects: * reprap (http://reprap.org/wiki/KiCad) As a RepRapper I can say, there is no such thing like a choosen EDA. People use what they like most and that's Eagle for some 90% of

Re: gEDA-user: Pressing = key causes PCB to freeze for a few minutes

2011-05-18 Thread Gabriel Paubert
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 03:04:18PM -0400, Vanessa Ezekowitz wrote: On Mon, 16 May 2011 23:29:46 +0200 Kai-Martin Knaak k...@lilalaser.de wrote: Peter Clifton wrote: the two '=' or remove the whole part 'a={= Key=}', what will remove this key-binding for this menu-item.

Re: gEDA-user: Reinventing the wheel

2011-05-18 Thread Russell Shaw
On 17/05/2011, John Dotyj...@noqsi.com wrote: On May 17, 2011, at 9:56 AM, Russell Shaw wrote: Most guis hide what they do. I believe in them showing the commands they send internally as a script would (or atleast have the option to show that) so the user can paste the commands into an

Re: gEDA-user: Reinventing the wheel

2011-05-18 Thread Russell Shaw
On 18/05/11 12:28, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: Russell Shaw wrote: The problem with KiCAD is 1) C++, 2) Qt. The problems I encountered with gnetlist were 1) scheme I think Scheme could be made much more attractive in geda if it was adequately explained in documentation or a tutorial. I

Re: gEDA-user: Reinventing the wheel

2011-05-18 Thread Thomas Oldbury
Can I enter my own project Super OSD? [1]http://code.google.com/p/super-osd On 18 May 2011 03:25, Kai-Martin Knaak [2]k...@lilalaser.de wrote: Stefan Salewski wrote: While gEDA/PCB has some serious users and a large list of projects done with gEDA, KiCAD users seems to

Re: gEDA-user: Reinventing the wheel

2011-05-18 Thread DJ Delorie
I'm a gtk hater, and am open to new widget toolkit user interface paradigms, So, you build pcb with --enable-gui=lesstif ? ;-) ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

gEDA-user: Maker Faire at the San Meteo Fairgrounds this weekend

2011-05-18 Thread clif
Hi Gang, Is anyone else going to Maker Faire this weekend? http://makerfaire.com/ Maybe we could arrange to meet up and chat. Clif ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: Reinventing the wheel

2011-05-18 Thread Colin D Bennett
On Tue, 17 May 2011 22:30:27 -0400 DJ Delorie d...@delorie.com wrote: BTW, what are the show cases for geda/pcb? There's a list on gpleda.org: http://geda.seul.org/wiki/geda:links First, let's be clear that popularity is no indication of usefulness or goodness of something. But, if a

Re: gEDA-user: Reinventing the wheel

2011-05-18 Thread Russell Shaw
On 19/05/11 02:13, DJ Delorie wrote: I'm a gtk hater, and am open to new widget toolkit user interface paradigms, So, you build pcb with --enable-gui=lesstif ? ;-) I do it with gtk whenever i want to poke at it. I know how gtk works, but it's far too convoluted and burdensome for

Re: gEDA-user: Reinventing the wheel

2011-05-18 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
Russell Shaw wrote: I think Scheme could be made much more attractive in geda if it was adequately explained in documentation or a tutorial. +1 I wouldn't mind to learn (a new language). But to learn a new language by almost non-commented code is just too much of a barrier.

Re: gEDA-user: Reinventing the wheel

2011-05-18 Thread Eduardo Costa
On 18/05/2011, Russell Shaw rjs...@netspace.net.au wrote: On 17/05/2011, John Dotyj...@noqsi.com wrote: On May 17, 2011, at 9:56 AM, Russell Shaw wrote: Most guis hide what they do. I believe in them showing the commands they send internally as a script would (or atleast

Re: gEDA-user: Reinventing the wheel

2011-05-18 Thread John Doty
On May 17, 2011, at 8:25 PM, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: BTW, what are the show cases for geda/pcb One of gEDA's great strengths is that it works well with other tools, so it's a great toolkit when the project isn't contained within a pure EDA environment. The trouble is that such a project is

Re: gEDA-user: Pressing = key causes PCB to freeze for a few minutes

2011-05-18 Thread Vanessa Ezekowitz
On Wed, 18 May 2011 13:54:15 +0200 Gabriel Paubert paub...@iram.es wrote: On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 03:04:18PM -0400, Vanessa Ezekowitz wrote: On Mon, 16 May 2011 23:29:46 +0200 Kai-Martin Knaak k...@lilalaser.de wrote: Peter Clifton wrote: the two '=' or remove the whole part

Re: gEDA-user: Reinventing the wheel

2011-05-18 Thread Stefan Salewski
On Wed, 2011-05-18 at 19:26 +0200, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: Russell Shaw wrote: I think Scheme could be made much more attractive in geda if it was adequately explained in documentation or a tutorial. +1 I wouldn't mind to learn (a new language). But to learn a new language by almost

Re: gEDA-user: Reinventing the wheel

2011-05-18 Thread Stephan Boettcher
Kai-Martin Knaak kn...@iqo.uni-hannover.de writes: Russell Shaw wrote: I think Scheme could be made much more attractive in geda if it was adequately explained in documentation or a tutorial. +1 I wouldn't mind to learn (a new language). But to learn a new language by almost

Re: gEDA-user: Reinventing the wheel

2011-05-18 Thread Thomas Oldbury
Is there a Python api for gEDA? Because that would be really nice... On 18 May 2011 20:56, Stefan Salewski [1]m...@ssalewski.de wrote: On Wed, 2011-05-18 at 19:26 +0200, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: Russell Shaw wrote: I think Scheme could be made much more attractive in geda

Re: gEDA-user: Reinventing the wheel

2011-05-18 Thread Stephan Boettcher
Colin D Bennett co...@gibibit.com writes: First, let's be clear that popularity is no indication of usefulness or goodness of something. But, if a product is less widely-chosen, perhaps there is something that can be done to improve the learning curve for new users... Why is there so much

Re: gEDA-user: Pressing = key causes PCB to freeze for a few minutes

2011-05-18 Thread Gabriel Paubert
On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 03:09:10PM -0400, Vanessa Ezekowitz wrote: On Wed, 18 May 2011 13:54:15 +0200 Gabriel Paubert paub...@iram.es wrote: On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 03:04:18PM -0400, Vanessa Ezekowitz wrote: On Mon, 16 May 2011 23:29:46 +0200 Kai-Martin Knaak k...@lilalaser.de wrote:

Re: gEDA-user: Reinventing the wheel

2011-05-18 Thread John Doty
On May 18, 2011, at 1:56 PM, Stefan Salewski wrote: The problem in not only missing documentation, but the fact that not all geda guile code is really clean and beautiful, as stated by one of the experts some time ago on this list. I don't know if that is true, but I have seen that even

gEDA-user: BUG: gaf hierarchy problems with old backup files

2011-05-18 Thread Stephan Boettcher
I have a collection of similar projects, each of which refer to a common set of hierarchical sub-schematics, which were located in the directory of the first project. I needed to prepare a tarball for one of the other projects, so I cleaned up the mess, and moved the symbols and schematics of

Re: gEDA-user: Reinventing the wheel

2011-05-18 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
Stephan Boettcher wrote: Why is there so much discussion here about the needs of potential new users, instead of the needs of current, loving, existing users? Let's make the tools perfect for us (that includes discoverability and documentation improvements), and not cater for not-yet-users.

Re: gEDA-user: Reinventing the wheel

2011-05-18 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
Stephan Boettcher wrote: Judging the code by lack of comments without knowledge of the language is too. I referred to the lack of documentation, rather than lack of comments. The particular case I had in mind, is the interaction of gnetlist's C front-end with the scheme back-ends. There seems

Re: gEDA-user: Reinventing the wheel

2011-05-18 Thread Colin D Bennett
On Wed, 18 May 2011 18:39:43 -0600 John Doty j...@noqsi.com wrote: On May 18, 2011, at 6:31 PM, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: Examples are the next to unusable default library of geda As has been discussed many times, this cannot be fixed, since there is no narrow, common use case for

Re: gEDA-user: GL on non-accelerated hardware?

2011-05-18 Thread Levente Kovacs
On Mon, 16 May 2011 10:17:34 +0100 Peter Clifton pc...@cam.ac.uk wrote: Anyway, it would be worth testing to check I tested it on my notebook. It has an Atom CPU with an intel GPU. With the GL renderer it can do 7fps. With the original renderer it is 7.2. No significant change. Levente --

Re: gEDA-user: Reinventing the wheel

2011-05-18 Thread Vanessa Ezekowitz
On Wed, 18 May 2011 18:39:43 -0600 John Doty j...@noqsi.com wrote: On May 18, 2011, at 6:31 PM, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: Examples are the next to unusable default library of geda As has been discussed many times, this cannot be fixed, since there is no narrow, common use case for

gEDA-user: polystitch vs pcb+gl_experimental

2011-05-18 Thread Geoff Swan
I have been attempting to build polystitch.c against pcb+gl_experimental without much luck. Also had some issue against pcb git head... Has anyone else had any luck with polystitch.c building against recent versions? cheers, Geoff

Re: gEDA-user: Reinventing the wheel

2011-05-18 Thread John Doty
On May 18, 2011, at 7:57 PM, Geoff Swan wrote: Actually I think gEDA is not too bad for components/symbols really. What the default library lacks, gedsymbols often has. With a little bit more promotion of gedasymbols I think people wouldn't have such an issue. In terms of the

Re: gEDA-user: polystitch vs pcb+gl_experimental

2011-05-18 Thread DJ Delorie
I have been attempting to build polystitch.c against pcb+gl_experimental without much luck. Also had some issue against pcb git head... Has anyone else had any luck with polystitch.c building against recent versions? I build mine with head as of May 1. Let me rebuild and see what happens...

Re: gEDA-user: polystitch vs pcb+gl_experimental

2011-05-18 Thread Geoff Swan
cheers, I'll look more closely at me setup On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 12:16 PM, DJ Delorie [1]d...@delorie.com wrote: I have been attempting to build polystitch.c against pcb+gl_experimental without much luck. Also had some issue against pcb git head... Has anyone else

Re: gEDA-user: Reinventing the wheel

2011-05-18 Thread gedau
On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 09:24:53PM +0100, Thomas Oldbury wrote: Is there a Python api for gEDA? I once made a GPMI plugin for PCB. Unfortunately it contains only a small set of interface libraries so what can be done was limited. I've written an SVG exporter prototype in tcl, an interactive