gEDA-user: Multiple footprint methodology?

2006-08-02 Thread Dave N6NZ
Hello, Total gEDA noobie here, but my first encounter with EDA workstations was about 1983, so I know the vocabulary and the work flow. But I have a long learning curve to climb in terms of how gEDA does it. This is probably a FAQ, but after searching the archives I couldn't see

Re: gEDA-user: Multiple footprint methodology?

2006-08-02 Thread Dave N6NZ
DJ Delorie wrote: Yes, I get that. I asked my question poorly. There is an attribute in the symbol that points to the correct pin mapping. I get the concept, but I don't know where all the ascii lives, and how it should be split up across various files. Ah. Set the footprint attribute to

Re: gEDA-user: PCB a bad name ?

2006-09-19 Thread Dave N6NZ
Yes, I've had the same thought. Programs (and other things) that were named before the days of internet search engines may have a sub-optimal name in the current environment. -dave Hugo Elias wrote: Hi all, Has anyone wondered if Pcb might not be the best name for this program? Googling

Re: gEDA-user: PCB a bad name ?

2006-09-19 Thread Dave N6NZ
DJ Delorie wrote: No, but gpcb for gnu pcb might. Although, are we really part of the GNU project? We can't just say we're gnu! without getting accepted by them first. Yeah, I was thinking that. opcb? for Open PCB? -dave ___ geda-user

gEDA-user: mounting hardware footprints for PCB

2006-09-21 Thread Dave N6NZ
So, for this project I'm doing, I wanted a footprint providing a hole for #4 hardware, with a pad that would clear the corners of a hex stand-off that is 1/4 inch across the flats. Of course, being an Old Time Unix Programmer(TM), instead of creating a trivial 4-line text file with vi, before

Re: gEDA-user: PCB: Rotate in steps of 30 and 45 degree?

2006-10-02 Thread Dave N6NZ
DJ Delorie wrote: Is this feature planed for future, if not currently implemented? It's not implemented, and we'd like to have it but have no immediate plans to add it. Has anyone thought about doing a footprint rotating utility? Of course, it would lead to library explosion, but as an

Re: gEDA-user: Design changs required to mill PCBs?

2006-10-02 Thread Dave N6NZ
Bob Paddock wrote: What I always wonder about with these tools, or similar X/Y machines is why no one ever optimizes the travel to save time. Seems like it should be simple mater of sorting the vectors? Instead the machine goes at random from place to place. Probably not so simple.

Re: gEDA-user: Design changs required to mill PCBs?

2006-10-04 Thread Dave N6NZ
Dave McGuire wrote: On Oct 4, 2006, at 6:48 PM, Robert Fitzsimons wrote: Do you still have the code? would you share? I have an old plotter and learned some HPGL years ago, even wrote some simple plotting tools. Now I would use HPGL as an example exporter with the scriptable PCB project.

Re: gEDA-user: Design changs required to mill PCBs?

2006-10-04 Thread Dave N6NZ
DJ Delorie wrote: I'm guessing it's using a variant of HPGL embedded in a PCL data stream. I.e. a mode switch between languages. The PCL5 spec has commands for this. That would make sense for driving the laser. It is just an X-Y device. The laser can be turned on and off, of course,

gEDA-user: one net, two pins

2006-10-16 Thread Dave N6NZ
simple question: I have a situation where I want one pin on the schematic symbol to get netlisted to two pins on the footprint. IOW, both physical pins must be connected to the same net, but it is PCB designer's choice as to how. (The exact situation is duplicated power rails on a header.)

Re: gEDA-user: one net, two pins

2006-10-16 Thread Dave N6NZ
John Griessen wrote: Dave N6NZ wrote: Short them with a net, and make sure your footprint has the extra pin numbered to expect it's own connection to the net. I find that statement a little confusing... but it is going to a standard header footprint, so the footprint will have pin

gEDA-user: PCB polygon rectangle practicalities

2006-10-21 Thread Dave N6NZ
In fooling with various practice layouts (partial layouts, actually) I think I have the basics of polygons and rectangles sorted out. Now I'm wondering about the practicalities is adjoining poly's. Here is the situation: In my design, there wants to be a polygon patch of analog ground that

gEDA-user: bending design rules for TSSOP20 -- need advice

2006-10-21 Thread Dave N6NZ
Thought I just saw a thread on this topic, but I deleted the whole works and can't find it in the archives. I'm trying to reconcile a data sheet for a TSSOP-20, 0.65mm lead pitch package with PCBexpress's design rules. The problem: 26mil l.p. and 10mil pad width leaves 16mil btw pads. The

Re: gEDA-user: bending design rules for TSSOP20 -- need advice

2006-10-21 Thread Dave N6NZ
Thanks, very helpful. That seems like the correct interpretation of their use of the word swell. -dave DJ Delorie wrote: Below a certain pitch, mask becomes almost useless, because the solder will bride from pin to pin anyway. The challenge boards are 0.50m and 0.40mm pitch and neither has

Re: gEDA-user: bending design rules for TSSOP20 -- need advice

2006-10-22 Thread Dave N6NZ
the soldermask to be at least 8mills wide. The issues has to do with alignment tolerences. Soldermask put on with a stencil has worse tolerences the soldermask applied with a photo imagable process. Steve Meier Dave N6NZ wrote: Here is the rule in question from PCBexpress web site: Solder mask swell

Re: gEDA-user: gEDA/gaf 20061020 source tarballs released

2006-10-22 Thread Dave N6NZ
Ales Hvezda wrote: This one is better than the last .. enjoy! and This is some god stuff :) Well, that sounds good, but is... how can I say this?... light on specifics. :-) Is there some place I can easily see a change log without having to download the tarball? Basically, I'm

gEDA-user: Pointer to 3d CAD?

2006-10-30 Thread Dave N6NZ
Off topic I know, but I need a pointer. Is there a decent FOSS 3D CAD program that will create STL files for simple parts? -dave ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

gEDA-user: gerber to .dxf converter

2006-12-08 Thread Dave N6NZ
Is there any free (as in speech) software that will convert gerber to .dxf? Reason: I have access to a laser cutter through the TechShop and am trying to work out a path to cut el-cheapo solder paste screens in acetate sheet or similar material. I tried the path of creating a PostScript

Re: gEDA-user: gerber to .dxf converter

2006-12-09 Thread Dave N6NZ
DJ Delorie wrote: It's common to want to move PCB layouts into cad for chassis layout work. What would be involved in giving PCB this feature? Write an export HID. It's the same way we export gerber and postscript. .dxf would be very cool... but having been fooling with .dxf lately, i'd

Re: gEDA-user: gerber to .dxf converter

2006-12-09 Thread Dave N6NZ
hhmmm... QCAD only opens .dxf, pstoedit only opens PS, not EPS. But I guess if I don't do 'fill page' I should be OK. -dave DJ Delorie wrote: PCB is free, and it'll export .eps. Oh, right. EPS, not PS output. Both are Postscript, and thus rasterized, but the PS output may be scaled to fit

Re: gEDA-user: gerber to .dxf converter

2006-12-09 Thread Dave N6NZ
John Griessen wrote: There are a couple of python cad programs with open source to look at that do some .ps and .dxf output, and no importing. Pythoncad and cadvas source code might be helpful in learning curve to get PCB to write out .dxf. From an overall work flow perspective, it might

Re: gEDA-user: gerber to .dxf converter

2006-12-09 Thread Dave N6NZ
DJ Delorie wrote: The advantage of going pcb-dxf and not gerber-dxf is that you only have to worry about supporting the data we have, which is significantly simpler than trying to support a generic gerber file. Oh yes, I hear that. What's easy and what's most generally useful seldom overlap.

Re: gEDA-user: Clarifying the License issues for gaf and PCB

2006-12-15 Thread Dave N6NZ
DJ Delorie wrote: After I verify a footprint I move it to a released for production directory. I've started grouping my library into vetted and not vetted, with the vetted ones being the ones that have been fab'd and produce working boards. I suppose I could add more steps, like paper

dxf? (was: Re: gEDA-user: Making an odd-shaped PCB)

2007-02-05 Thread Dave N6NZ
Very interesting thread. Taking it a little off topic... A question that has come up in the past is the idea of importing data from a mechanical package to get board outline, etc. As it turns out, I'm working on another project where I have been using dxflib, which is a C++ dxf reading

gEDA-user: Re: dxf?

2007-02-05 Thread Dave N6NZ
Can you point me at some code to follow? Like perhaps a working plug-in that I could gut and use for a skeleton? -dave DJ Delorie wrote: Write a plug-in that reads the dxf and adds the items to the existing outline layer. It's far easier to just call the internal API than to create a .pcb

Re: gEDA-user: Re: dxf?

2007-02-06 Thread Dave N6NZ
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave N6NZ wrote: If other people would find that functionality useful, I will look into it. It would seem handy to be able to import dxf files for certain hardware modules, assemblies that mount onto a pcb and for some connectors. What does import mean

Re: gEDA-user: Re: dxf?

2007-02-07 Thread Dave N6NZ
. -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens Carlos Nieves Ónega Verzonden: woensdag 7 februari 2007 19:12 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; geda-user Onderwerp: gEDA-user: Re: dxf? El mar, 06-02-2007 a las 16:31 -0800, Dave N6NZ escribió: Let me be clear about my

Re: gEDA-user: home made hot plate

2007-03-04 Thread Dave N6NZ
a study of the best reflow gizmo and found it to be $30 skillet! gene - Original Message - From: Dave N6NZ Date: Friday, March 2, 2007 1:11 pm Subject: gEDA-user: home made hot plate To: gEDA user mailing list Seeing DJ's hot plate photo brought to mind a link I once saw, where

Re: gEDA-user: Why use gEDA? [OT]

2007-03-06 Thread Dave N6NZ
al davis wrote: Regardless of preference, at some time everyone will be confronted with something else. Whether you like it or not, it is important to be able to cope with it. Gee... in the old days, that was simply assumed. Let's see... My career as measured by operating systems on

gEDA-user: thermal vias in pcb

2007-03-06 Thread Dave N6NZ
What is the easiest way to create thermal vias? Not a via with a thermal relief -- I can do that :) .. but a via with no thermal relief punched into polygons on both sides of the board that ends up getting filled with solder to help create a large thermal mass to be used as a heat sink. The

Re: gEDA-user: thermal vias in pcb

2007-03-07 Thread Dave N6NZ
joe tarantino wrote: On 3/7/07, *Peter Baxendale* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2007-03-06 at 22:02 -0800, Dave N6NZ wrote: What is the easiest way to create thermal vias? Not a via with a thermal relief -- I can do that :) .. but a via

Re: gEDA-user: Re: How to program PAL/GAL?

2007-03-13 Thread Dave N6NZ
Stephen Williams wrote: Philipp Klaus Krause wrote: Is Icarus PAL still alive? Not especially. No one seems to be programming pals these days, and using FPGAs instead. Are there any FPGA's that can be targeted by open source tools? I realize the place/route issues with the typical FPGA

gEDA-user: solder stencil in drafting acetate

2007-03-31 Thread Dave N6NZ
A while back we had a short discussion about doing cheap solder stencils in drafting acetate using a laser cutter. As it turns out, I have access to a laser cutter at the TechShop http://www.techshop.ws/ so I gave it a try. I took the postscript check plot for the paste layer, and converted

gEDA-user: Quick and Easy solder mask creation

2007-04-02 Thread Dave N6NZ
Was looking for something else and Google turned up this interesting document: http://www.jlab.org/accel/eecad/pdf/022pulliam.pdf It is a presentation by AMD titled Quick and Easy Solder Mask Creation that has been saved as .pdf. I haven't gone through it in its entirety, but it looks like

Re: gEDA-user: Quick and Easy solder mask creation

2007-04-02 Thread Dave N6NZ
DJ Delorie wrote: Notably, it argues for rounded-end SMT land patterns. Can pcb do that? Yes. Use the 'q' key toggle between square and round pins/pads. I think there's a key binding for all selected pins/pads too. Is there a flag to do it in the footprint definition? -dave

Re: gEDA-user: Quick and Easy solder mask creation

2007-04-02 Thread Dave N6NZ
DJ Delorie wrote: Dave N6NZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Notably, it argues for rounded-end SMT land patterns. I think they go overboard in using round. The lands for sot-23 are circles! Maybe rounded-corner pads, with the radius equal to the difference between the lead edge and the pad edge

Re: gEDA-user: Quick and Easy solder mask creation

2007-04-02 Thread Dave N6NZ
John Griessen wrote: Dave N6NZ wrote: Yes, some of them look a little odd. But... the title says Quick and Easy How should we decide to break a solder paste mask into smaller sections to help them out? Larger than ? dimension? I guess this is for better squeegee results

Re: gEDA-user: Quick and Easy solder mask creation

2007-04-02 Thread Dave N6NZ
Steven Michalske wrote: What rake angle are they applied? err... u... it's hand-held, so I'd have to say variable -dave Steve On Apr 2, 2007, at 2:52 PM, Dave N6NZ wrote: professional hand-use sqeegees are very thin, very flexible stainless. My expensive sqeegee is much less stiff

gEDA-user: pcb: incorrect postscript check plot on rounded pads

2007-04-11 Thread Dave N6NZ
pcb --version reports: pcb-bin: 1.99q Which I admit is way behind CVS. But here is the bug: The postscript check plot of the paste stencil for rounded end surface mount pads is not emitted correctly. It appears to be a very thin line. The gerber appears to be OK. Is this a known erratum?

Re: gEDA-user: pcb: incorrect postscript check plot on rounded pads

2007-04-11 Thread Dave N6NZ
DJ Delorie wrote: The postscript check plot of the paste stencil for rounded end ^^ surface mount pads is not emitted correctly. It appears to be a very thin line. Seems OK to me. Which specific postscript page are you referring to? Front

Re: gEDA-user: Antenna Simulation

2007-04-18 Thread Dave N6NZ
Don't know of one for Linux. But in my experience, a graphical editor for NEC isn't of great value anyway. The amounts that the wire lengths are changing while you are tuning antennas is too small relative to the rest of the structure and to the screen size. What *is* useful is symbolic

Re: gEDA-user: PCBs using desktop inkjet

2007-04-19 Thread Dave N6NZ
C P Tarun wrote: When will gEDA start providing support for printed circuits? :) Tarun Modified ink printer churns out electronic circuits * 18:24 18 April 2007 * NewScientist.com news service * Tom Simonite A desktop printer loaded with a silver salt solution and vitamin C has

Re: gEDA-user: Has anyone used SSOP28.fp?

2007-05-31 Thread Dave N6NZ
I'm also using Syntech. It's been stable for me. Since I have access to a laser cutter at a public machine shop, I cut stencils in 5 mil drafting mylar and sqeegee the solder on, then reflow in a toaster oven. -dave DJ Delorie wrote: Where do you get your paste? How long is it lasting for

Re: gEDA-user: Has anyone used SSOP28.fp?

2007-06-06 Thread Dave N6NZ
DJ Delorie wrote: Since I have access to a laser cutter at a public machine shop, Now that you've admitted that, you're going to have a lot more friends ;-) Well, I've considered doing an el-cheapo stencil service, but it would have to be plot-N-go to make it worth while. There are two

Re: gEDA-user: Has anyone used SSOP28.fp?

2007-06-07 Thread Dave N6NZ
L.J.H. Timmerman wrote: Hi Dave and all, On Wed, 2007-06-06 at 11:24 -0700, Dave N6NZ wrote: a) pcb paste layer gerber is directly from the pad layer, and I think in many cases that lays down too much solder. I haven't experimented enough to be able to say for sure. I'd like to see

Re: gEDA-user: Has anyone used SSOP28.fp?

2007-06-07 Thread Dave N6NZ
DJ Delorie wrote: That would be useful. Care to share it? Attached. Thanks! You need cutting arcs, not stroking arcs, right? So each pad needs to be outlines, offset by half the kerf? Should be easy enough to write an exporter for that. Yup. That's it. Just outlines cutting

Re: gEDA-user: Has anyone used SSOP28.fp?

2007-06-07 Thread Dave N6NZ
Steven Michalske wrote: On Jun 7, 2007, at 9:04 AM, Dave N6NZ wrote: L.J.H. Timmerman wrote: Hi Dave and all, On Wed, 2007-06-06 at 11:24 -0700, Dave N6NZ wrote: a) pcb paste layer gerber is directly from the pad layer, and I think in many cases that lays down too much solder. I

Re: gEDA-user: file format (Re: Has anyone used SSOP28.fp)?

2007-06-08 Thread Dave N6NZ
Dan McMahill wrote: note new thread and change to bottom posting! On Thu, 2007-06-07 at 16:06 -0400, DJ Delorie wrote: Shouldn't the file format be forward compatible with a warning? if an unknown parameter is introduced in the file format, pump out a warning and continue? The

Re: gEDA-user: Rotating Components

2007-06-08 Thread Dave N6NZ
DJ Delorie wrote: Newbie question: Is it possible to rotate a component in increments other than 90degrees? In the CVS version of pcb, you can free-rotate the buffer. Holy cow! So does that mean we can actually do 45 degree SMT parts now? And the pads are OK? Cool. -dave

Re: gEDA-user: Getting symbols from ASIC libraries into gschem: one approach

2007-06-13 Thread Dave N6NZ
Jeff Trull wrote: It goes like this: Composer .cdb file - EDIF - .sym The EDIF file lives for less than ten seconds and then /tmp fills up. EDIF: Every Disk Is Full. I haven't thought about EDIF in years. I'm sorry to hear it still exists. I would have thought by now people

Re: gEDA-user: Ground plane question

2007-07-17 Thread Dave N6NZ
DJ Delorie wrote: Yes, that's a stupid default, It's not the default in pcb itself, though. Most likely, it's the template that gsch2pcb uses, which is obsolete and weirdly configured. Sorry for the late hit on this thread... I've been out of town for a week. I need a how-to. I've always

Re: gEDA-user: Another: Can I use static pins as vias?

2007-07-24 Thread Dave N6NZ
Ben Jackson wrote: On Tue, Jul 24, 2007 at 10:56:14PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my board I used static pins (just for better hold with a rot-encoder) as a vias. Sadly I didn't figure out how to tell PCB not to complain that as a short circuit. Is there a way to prevent PCB

Re: gEDA-user: Footprint-guide -- is arc description wrong?

2007-08-01 Thread Dave N6NZ
Stuart Brorson wrote: Therefore, I wonder if I should withdraw the footprint doc and point to the File Format section of the on-line PCB manual? N! It's about the only PCB documentation that I regularly use. I think it is a fine document. Or should I simply update the footprint

Re: gEDA-user: Surface mount LEDs

2007-08-31 Thread Dave N6NZ
I've been using 0805 LiteON LTST-S220xxx parts, DigiKey 160-1220-1-ND in red/org, 160-1218-1-ND in green, other colors available. I like these because they have very wide angle viewing -- full 180 degrees pretty much. I don't think there is a bi-color part in the LTST-S220 family, though.

gEDA-user: OS X fink install of gschem failed

2007-09-26 Thread Dave N6NZ
Hi, I'm trying to put the gschem-gsch2pcb-pcb-gerbv tool flow onto my MacBook. Following http://www.ghz.cc/charles/fink/ everything seems to go smoothly, and pcb and gerbv seem to start up OK. gschem is not happy, however. The menus are broken pictures, the status box is full of Tried to

Re: gEDA-user: OS X fink install of gschem failed

2007-09-26 Thread Dave N6NZ
Dave N6NZ wrote: Most recently read form: ([EMAIL PROTECTED] (build-path geda-rc-path gschem-darkbg)) Failed to read init scm file [(null)/gschem.scm] Is this indicative of some environment variable not being set? -dave

Re: gEDA-user: Probably parenthesis mismatch error on OS X

2007-09-26 Thread Dave N6NZ
This seems to be the topic of the day (see my earlier posts) -dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howdy guys, Setting up a new workstation for doing gEDA work on, and am running into this error: gEDA/gschem version 1.2.0.20070902 gEDA/gschem comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY; see COPYING

Re: gEDA-user: Probably parenthesis mismatch error on OS X

2007-09-27 Thread Dave N6NZ
Ales Hvezda wrote: [snip] Probably parenthesis mismatch in /sw/etc/gEDA/system-gschemrc Most recently read form: ([EMAIL PROTECTED] (build-path geda-rc-path gschem-darkbg)) Failed to read init scm file [(null)/gschem.scm] Tried to get an invalid color: 0 Loading schematic

Re: gEDA-user: Probably parenthesis mismatch error on OS X

2007-09-27 Thread Dave N6NZ
Steven Ball wrote: /sw/etc/gEDA/gschem-darkbg exists, but you bring up a good point. The older, working version of the geda-bundle uses: (define gedadata (getenv GEDADATA)) (define gedadatarc (getenv GEDADATARC)) (load (string-append gedadatarc /gschem-darkbg)) ; dark background The

Re: gEDA-user: Probably parenthesis mismatch error on OS X

2007-09-27 Thread Dave N6NZ
Peter TB Brett wrote: Please run gschem with the following lines in your gafrc: (display (string-append gEDA data directory: geda-data-path \n)) /sw/share/gEDA (display (string-append gEDA RC file directory: geda-rc-path \n)) /sw/etc/gEDA -dave

Re: gEDA-user: Probably parenthesis mismatch error on OS X

2007-09-27 Thread Dave N6NZ
Peter TB Brett wrote: On Thursday 27 September 2007 17:26:34 Dave N6NZ wrote: Peter TB Brett wrote: Please run gschem with the following lines in your gafrc: (display (string-append gEDA data directory: geda-data-path \n)) /sw/share/gEDA (display (string-append gEDA RC file directory

Re: gEDA-user: Probably parenthesis mismatch error on OS X

2007-09-27 Thread Dave N6NZ
John Doty wrote: [1] The (not particularly complicated) definition of the build-path function is given in geda.scm. Which you would expect live where? /sw/share/gEDA/scheme/ But if it isn't there, the bomb out starts with: Most recently read form: ([EMAIL PROTECTED] geda.scm)

Re: gEDA-user: Probably parenthesis mismatch error on OS X

2007-09-28 Thread Dave N6NZ
Finally got around to rebuilding from source, and it seems to have worked for me, too. At least, gschem comes up and appears normal, and survived 10 seconds of testing... -dave Steven Ball wrote: First off, I followed your page at http://www.ghz.cc/charles/fink/ to configure my system

gEDA-user: PCB paste layer, revisited.

2007-10-13 Thread Dave N6NZ
To recap: I have been experimenting with making solder paste stencils from laser cut drafting mylar. The current implementation of paste layers is not very flexible. The paste stencils that result from my current workflow apply way too much solder (for various reasons). So I've been

Re: gEDA-user: PCB paste layer, revisited.

2007-10-13 Thread Dave N6NZ
DJ Delorie wrote: The paste layer is built from the pad layer directly, yes. I use the ps-bloat setting to offset my paste holes, Please explain this ps-bloat setting, sounds useful. Search the archivies for multipad or multi-pad. OK, I will look that up, it sounds related. But there is

Re: gEDA-user: PCB paste layer, revisited.

2007-10-13 Thread Dave N6NZ
forgot to cc list Dave N6NZ wrote: DJ Delorie wrote: Maybe you could write a laser-paste exporter? Then, you could ask the user for the offset they need, and output whatever language you need to run the laser directly. My current workflow is ps - dxf via converter. But really

Re: gEDA-user: PCB paste layer, revisited.

2007-10-13 Thread Dave N6NZ
DJ Delorie wrote: My current workflow is ps - dxf via converter. Then ps-bloat will work for you. Well, it reduces the pain, but it isn't sufficient to make the problem go away. I could pick a bloat that helps TQFP's (or pick your pad family) but still be left with hand editing others,

Re: gEDA-user: PCB paste layer, revisited.

2007-10-14 Thread Dave N6NZ
Bert Timmerman wrote: Dave, I guess I'm half way (or better) in writing a dxf HID. Could we join efforts in some way ? If I (we?) speed up development of the dxf exporter, DJ and you would probably not have to tweak anymore ;-) The dxf exporter is a good idea, but I don't see how

Re: gEDA-user: PCB paste layer, revisited.

2007-10-14 Thread Dave N6NZ
Bert Timmerman wrote: FWIW, I think we could use the attribute mechanism (as in gschem) to apply/override stuff to a pin/pad on a specified layer. An example for pin to show the principle: snip Seems like a reasonable approach to the syntax. I don't know enough about the internals to

Re: gEDA-user: PCB paste layer, revisited.

2007-10-15 Thread Dave N6NZ
John Griessen wrote: Could a file-wide pad stack handle all cases of using a padstack? I am thinking Dave wants to vary the shape of paste layer from place to place... What I want is simple. For any footprint, it needs to draw a paste layer that cuts a reliable stencil. I don't need to

Re: gEDA-user: collaboration opportunity

2007-10-15 Thread Dave N6NZ
Peter TB Brett wrote: On Monday 15 October 2007 18:10:05 DJ Delorie wrote: It got me to thinking - maybe some of us could get together and collaborate on a design? Each offering their expertise and time, using a central CVS/SVN server to hold the (yay ascii!) design files. Hmm, I'd

Re: gEDA-user: PCB paste layer, revisited.

2007-10-15 Thread Dave N6NZ
DJ Delorie wrote: The data structures aren't that hard to understand, it's the code that manipulates them that's tricky. While I appreciate knowing that, your comment is 100% content free. It is a non-clue. Can't somebody simply say: Go look if file ___ and read ___.? That is a clue. It

Re: gEDA-user: PCB paste layer, revisited.

2007-10-15 Thread Dave N6NZ
DJ Delorie wrote: Imagine, that you have a 431 pin BGA. Would you include 431 times the same padstack in the footprint? I think one should bother with the whatever shape, and size of the stencil, copper, mask, paste layers. Those are just pads. Then we could link pads to a padstack, and

Re: gEDA-user: PCB paste layer, revisited.

2007-10-16 Thread Dave N6NZ
joeft wrote: For sanity's sake, let's let a footprint define its pad stacks for its own pads, rather than trying to maintain a global cache of padstacks. Then, a BGA footprint would have one here's what my pads look like and 431 copies of put one here. Yup. Right answer. A

Re: gEDA-user: Schematic Level DRC DIscussion

2007-11-07 Thread Dave N6NZ
Chris Albertson wrote: Have you looked at Prolog? Yes, indeed. Quite fluent at one time in the past. For DRC, I envision a language specific to the problem domain of specifying DRC rules. It might compile into Prolog, or guile, or whatever, but the typical user is not going to want to

Re: gEDA-user: Schematic Level DRC DIscussion

2007-11-07 Thread Dave N6NZ
they like. Steve meier Dave N6NZ wrote: Chris Albertson wrote: Have you looked at Prolog? Yes, indeed. Quite fluent at one time in the past. For DRC, I envision a language specific to the problem domain of specifying DRC rules. It might compile into Prolog, or guile

Re: gEDA-user: Schematic Level DRC DIscussion

2007-11-09 Thread Dave N6NZ
Dan McMahill wrote: From my point of view if libgeda and the scheme binding were expanded to let you have a really full featured database access via scheme, you could do all sorts of things. However, many of them may be specific to a particular person, project or company. You

gEDA-user: How do I generate empty back silk?

2007-11-09 Thread Dave N6NZ
I thought I'd try out the batchPCB service from SparkFun (see batchpcb.com) But... their web page says they insist on getting a back silk gerber, even if it is empty. So... what's the easiest way to get an empty back silk? -dave ___ geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: hotplate DEsoldering

2007-11-10 Thread Dave N6NZ
DJ Delorie wrote: I just had an occasion to remove a bunch of SMT parts from a proto board (so they can be moved to the production board). I used the hotplate, because many of them had solder under the part, not next to. What are you using for a hot plate? The SparkFun site talks about

Re: gEDA-user: 13mm X 27mm board

2007-11-11 Thread Dave N6NZ
DJ Delorie wrote: What's the work around? Edit globalconst.h change MINSIZE or use the lesstif GUI, which ignores the min/max settings ;-) OK, well, I really should to a rebuild. I happened to run into this on the machine that has the oldest install of PCB.

Re: gEDA-user: hotplate DEsoldering

2007-11-11 Thread Dave N6NZ
I'm thinking the same thing. I bought a hand full of cement encapsulated power resistors at one of the local surplus houses. My plan is to epoxy them to the back of an aluminum plate, and use a bench supply to supply power. -dave Steven Michalske wrote: How about an aluminimum plate on top

Re: gEDA-user: pcb docs

2007-11-23 Thread Dave N6NZ
DJ Delorie wrote: I think updating the PCB docs is going to be my next thing to focus on in PCB-land. The existing docs are so out of date, I think it would be best to just write new ones - especially as I think we need not one but a couple of separate docs. I've set up a web page here:

Re: gEDA-user: pcb docs

2007-11-23 Thread Dave N6NZ
DJ Delorie wrote: 2) developer's reference Why? I see two parts to this: HOWTOs for common types of changes (like writing a plug-in), and whatever doxygen spits out (eventually). It's my #2 priority for selfish reasons :) The source is not very approachable in it's current form.

Re: gEDA-user: Ok, who moved pin 4?

2007-11-26 Thread Dave N6NZ
Peter Clifton wrote: snip/ We have a problem at CUED with various different formats / types of gerber, and no means to panelise them effectively. snip/ The thought occurred to me that gerbv is happy enough reading all of the above, and all the primitives themselves will probably translate

Re: gEDA-user: gerbv status: Re: Ok, who moved pin 4?

2007-11-26 Thread Dave N6NZ
Stuart Brorson wrote: This discussion is very prescient. Dan and Julian have been instrumental in helping me beat gerbv into shape over the last two weeks. I plan on releasing a new version with 1 1/2 years of patches applied. I hope to release tomorrow or the next day, depending upon my

gEDA-user: pcb: C-in-a-circle copyright?

2007-11-26 Thread Dave N6NZ
It doesn't look like there is a C-in-a-circle copyright symbol in PCB's default font, unless I'm missing something. So... am I missing something? Is there a sensible way to add it? -dave ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org

Re: gEDA-user: pcb: C-in-a-circle copyright?

2007-11-26 Thread Dave N6NZ
DJ Delorie wrote: It doesn't look like there is a C-in-a-circle copyright symbol in PCB's default font, unless I'm missing something. So... am I missing something? Is there a sensible way to add it? You need to (1) choose an encoding for it. Best would be 0xa9, which is where

Re: gEDA-user: pcb: C-in-a-circle copyright?

2007-11-27 Thread Dave N6NZ
A while back I located some GPL'd sources for scalable vector fonts. In the form of C data structures (or easily converted thereto) IIRC. Anyway... can't quite remember where I saw them, but if I dig around I might find them again. In theory, somebody could write a C program to turn those

Re: gEDA-user: pcb: C-in-a-circle copyright?

2007-11-27 Thread Dave N6NZ
TrueType (and possibly other) fonts in files. -Dave On Nov 27, 2007, at 4:58 PM, Dave N6NZ wrote: You know, it may have been freetype that I was thinking of. -dave Dave McGuire wrote: It should be fairly trivial to integrate freetype into PCB for font management. It looks

Re: gEDA-user: pcb: C-in-a-circle copyright?

2007-11-27 Thread Dave N6NZ
PolyFonts -- that's what I was thinking of. http://gameprogrammer.com/polyfonts/polyfonts.html Has stroke, outline, and polygon fonts available under various licenses. Seems to me that the stroke fonts and associated API should be relatively easy to integrate. The polygon fonts are made up

Re: gEDA-user: gerbv-1.0.3 released!

2007-11-28 Thread Dave N6NZ
This is great! I'm glad to see gerbv is being actively developed again. Will do my part by downloading and testing. Thanks to the team! -dave Stuart Brorson wrote: Hello! This is to announce the fourth release in the stable branch of gerbv, 1.0.3. This release represents a point

Re: gEDA-user: gschem, howto prevent generation of .sch~ backup files?

2007-11-29 Thread Dave N6NZ
Or at least can we name them something less obnoxious, or tuck them away where I never, ever have to see them again in ls or accidentally include them in a wild card again? The current .sch~ system causes too much clutter for even my trivial projects, I'd hate to see what it does on a project

gEDA-user: what's the pcb command for 45 degree rotate?

2007-11-29 Thread Dave N6NZ
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Re: gEDA-user: gschem, howto prevent generation of .sch~ backup files?

2007-11-29 Thread Dave N6NZ
good point. Steven Michalske wrote: Pain in my ass, temporary auto backups belong in /tmp On Nov 29, 2007, at 11:54 AM, Dave N6NZ wrote: Or at least can we name them something less obnoxious, or tuck them away where I never, ever have to see them again in ls or accidentally

Re: gEDA-user: what's the pcb command for 45 degree rotate?

2007-11-29 Thread Dave N6NZ
hmmm... pcb reports itself as: 20070912, the compilation date would seem to indicate that I must have grabbed a fink package or something. Anyway... printed to stderr: unknown action `FreeRotateBuffer' So I guess this build doesn't have free rotate? Is that newer than September? DJ Delorie

Re: gEDA-user: gschem, howto prevent generation of .sch~ backup files?

2007-11-29 Thread Dave N6NZ
Peter TB Brett wrote: On Thursday 29 November 2007 19:54:54 Dave N6NZ wrote: Or at least can we name them something less obnoxious, or tuck them away where I never, ever have to see them again in ls or accidentally include them in a wild card again? The current .sch~ system causes too much

Re: gEDA-user: change/remove silk without destroying elementname

2007-12-01 Thread Dave N6NZ
I think you are looking for hide -- position the cursor over the element, and hit 'h', and it will hide the refdes. That is exactly what I do for hardware. -dave Ben Jackson wrote: I don't really want to have my mounting holes labelled with silkscreen, but neither do I want to simply

gEDA-user: [PCB] DRC - why is it modal?

2007-12-02 Thread Dave N6NZ
Is there a reason why PCB's DRC pops a modal dialog for every violation and refuses to move forward? That is... ummm tedious... Would it be difficult to re-engineer DRC to operate in a batch mode? What I would like to see is a new DRC reports window that all of the violations are posted

Re: gEDA-user: [PCB] DRC - why is it modal?

2007-12-02 Thread Dave N6NZ
DJ Delorie wrote: Is there a reason why PCB's DRC pops a modal dialog for every violation and refuses to move forward? That is... ummm tedious... Because nobody had change it yet. We've talked about creating a drc layer that's populated by the DRC engine and then managed through the

Re: gEDA-user: anyone has had success with 0.2mm?

2007-12-03 Thread Dave N6NZ
Randall Nortman wrote: On Mon, Dec 03, 2007 at 10:07:23AM -0800, Lope De Vega wrote: I'm trying to build a circuit with a cp2102, which has 0.5 mm between pins' center (actually 0.2mm between pins). It is a qfn-28 package. I have never played with toner transfer schemes, Ditto for me...

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