On 14 Feb 2006, at 01:25, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Dain Sundstrom wrote:
I think ServiceMix is the perfect home for a BPEL engine. Every
JBI implementation that I am aware of has and integrated
orchestration
engine exposed via the BPEL specification.
If every JBI implementation has an
The Geronimo PMC needs to vote on sponsoring this.
Before you do that, just to start the discussion :
- Why would the Geronimo PMC sponsor this?
- Isn't BPEL a bit far afield from J2EE, which is our charter as a PMC?
- How about bringing it to Agila, which already has a good start on BPEL
and
On 14 Feb 2006, at 15:03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Allan,
This proposal appears to be gear towards the web services/SOA
community.
Is support for orchestration of non-WS business processes
considered out of
scope for Ode?
No - the code should be reusable for most orchestration needs;
Allan,
This proposal appears to be gear towards the web services/SOA community.
Is support for orchestration of non-WS business processes considered out of
scope for Ode?
Thanks,
Ian
It's better to be hated for who you are
than loved for who you are not
Ian D. Stewart
Appl Dev
Great!
I'm assuming the source won't be available for review unless/until Ode is
accepted as an incubator poddling?
Ian
It's better to be hated for who you are
than loved for who you are not
Ian D. Stewart
Appl Dev Analyst-Advisory, DCS Automation
JPMorganChase Global Technology
It seems that it has been the common practive for incubating subprojects
(not TLP)
until this vote
http://www.mail-archive.com/general%40incubator.apache.org/msg05956.html.
Cheers,
Guillaume Nodet
Niclas Hedhman wrote:
On Tuesday 14 February 2006 15:35, Alan D. Cabrera wrote to
Alan, the Sybase developers that will work on this project are
Lance Waterman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cory Harper [EMAIL PROTECTED]
John Childs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jan-Hua Chu[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sandip Ghayal [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bill
On 2/14/06, Alan D.
Was cross-posted originally and I didn't on my reply...
Original Message
Subject: Re: Ode Proposal
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 10:54:47 -0500
From: Geir Magnusson Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: dev@geronimo.apache.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: dev@geronimo.apache.org
References:
The license is in the tarball. I've also put it at:
ftp://ftp.sybase.com/pub/incoming/wcss/bpe/
-cory
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Bill Flood wrote:
The source can be found here:
The license is in the tarball and/or you can see it directly at
ftp://ftp.sybase.com/pub/incoming/wcss/bpe/SourceCodeEvaluationAgreement.txtwithout
dowloading the tarball.
On 2/14/06, Rodent of Unusual Size [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Bill Flood
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Bill Flood wrote:
The license is in the tarball and/or you can see it directly at
ftp://ftp.sybase.com/pub/incoming/wcss/bpe/SourceCodeEvaluationAgreement.txt
without dowloading the tarball.
Thanks, Bill, Cory!
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Ken Coar,
On Feb 13, 2006, at 6:17 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 05:40:47PM -0800, Dain Sundstrom wrote:
On Feb 13, 2006, at 5:25 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
I've heard nothing to provide a reason for not bringing in the
contribution
as a standalone podling, which ServiceMix and others
Dims,
We heard your plea and have moved the proposal through the incubator as you
suggested. At this point, we are looking for supporters. From the energy
you put behind your posting, we are all hoping you will also be committed to
helping us drive this forward.
We are also reaching out to the
Alan, I would like to throw my name in the hat and become actively involved.
Bill Flood Sybase [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 2/14/06, Alan D. Cabrera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ok. Here's the proposal http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OdeProposal.
Please feel free to comment.
Bill Flood, can you
Why not just bring into Agila and work on it in there?
Bill Flood wrote:
Dims,
We heard your plea and have moved the proposal through the incubator as you
suggested. At this point, we are looking for supporters. From the energy
you put behind your posting, we are all hoping you will also be
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I object. -1.
1. Where's the proposal to the incubator?
2. Where's the discussion on [EMAIL PROTECTED]
3. Where's the notice that some project voted to sponsor this?
4. Where's the summary of that vote?
5. Do
Geir, approaching Agila was our first avenue. We looked at what they had
and I initiated several conversations about donating to that incubator
project.
We offered a base line upon which to build but there did not seem to be any
uptake although both committers said they were happy to have us
Bill Flood wrote:
Geir, approaching Agila was our first avenue. We looked at what they had
and I initiated several conversations about donating to that incubator
project.
We offered a base line upon which to build but there did not seem to be any
uptake although both committers said they
I'm open to what works best. I think the proposal for Ode is in essence a
fresh starting point for a community. Sybase just happened to submit some
code, which may or may not be accepted and that we thought was passable. In
the end, the community has the last say so we welcome that type of open
As one of the Sybase BPEL developers, this certainly sounds reasonable to
me. Perhaps we can start a discussion around what the bake off criteria
will look like ( i.e. what BPEL constructs are fully/half/not supported,
what set of unit tests should be supported, etc ... ). As an example; in
Bill Flood wrote:
I'm open to what works best. I think the proposal for Ode is in essence a
fresh starting point for a community. Sybase just happened to submit some
code, which may or may not be accepted and that we thought was passable. In
the end, the community has the last say so we
Lance Waterman wrote:
As one of the Sybase BPEL developers, this certainly sounds reasonable to
me. Perhaps we can start a discussion around what the bake off criteria
will look like ( i.e. what BPEL constructs are fully/half/not supported,
what set of unit tests should be supported, etc ...
Hi,
There is an Incubator announce mailing list at
announce@incubator.apache.org that nobody seems to be using. Is it
supposed to be used?
See:
http://incubator.apache.org/howtoparticipate.html#announce+at+incubator.apache.org
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-announce/
PS. I
Also, I don't at all agree with your comparison of a BPEL Engine to
Geronimo. I would compare it to the transaction manager within
Geronimo. It's a discrete component, and we're not going to take the
best of 20 different projects to make a transaction manager, and I
don't see why we'd do
How about making a fresh start then... If the Agila people are
interested, put out a call for any and all other implementations of BPEL
that might be donated and build a larger community, mixing the best of
anything that is donated to get the best BPEL engine and community we can?
I would be
On 2/14/06, Jukka Zitting [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
because I didn't use my @apache.org address. Is using the @apache.org
address for release announcements a best practice?
Yes. =) -- justin
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Aaron Mulder wrote:
On 2/14/06, Geir Magnusson Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In the same way that we built Geronimo from best of breed J2EE-ish OSS
projects that are out there, I'm sure we could do a similar thing with BPEL.
Maybe do a bake off to help find the best codebase, and have the
Glad to have you with us Matthieu.
I agree with a lot of your assessment; BPEL is really only part of the
discussion (as being one language for describing interactions with
WSDL-based constructs) while service orchestration is the larger picture.
In that regard, I can understand the transaction
Bill,
From what I am reading today between you, Geir, Lance and Mattieu, it seems
that there is an emerging consensus, so if you are all willing, we could add
your team as committers to Agila and import the code base as soon as we have
the software grant (I haven't checked to see if that is
Noel, we do seem to be coming together in prinicipal but it might be best to
achieve our fresh start in the practical context of Ode given the support
exhibited by other folks on the submission.
In Apache projects address a certain area of concern (e.g., JAXB, BPEL,
CORBA etc.) but they do so in
Hi Matthieu,
I don't think Aaron would disagree with you. Going back to his
transaction manager analogy, a transaction manager is much more
complicated than geronimo the container. Just like a BPLE engine is
much more complicated than a JBI container. The beautiful thing
geronimo and
On Feb 14, 2006, at 7:35 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
David,
The mentors should have karma to setup the status file. At least
one of
them has karma to the SVN access control lists. Do we have all of
the CLAs
and a Software Grant?
Ok. I made nearly all the OpenEJB committers sign CLAs
David Blevins wrote:
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
David,
The mentors should have karma to setup the status file. At least
one of
them has karma to the SVN access control lists. Do we have all of
the CLAs
and a Software Grant?
Ok. I made nearly all the OpenEJB committers sign CLAs
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