On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 6:20 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
Let me repeat: where does it say a TLP must be at least THIS size ?
Answer: nowhere.
Small projects are just fine. We're looking at the overall community
and the people to shepherd that community. Those are the RAT
On 2010-08-11, Niall Pemberton wrote:
The real point though is not size - its *activity*.
[absolutely correct observation of low activity snipped]
My concern is if RAT goes TLP then it may be a small step away from
not being able to get 3 PMC votes.
I understand that and share the concern
So. Following some advice given to me by Sam Ruby,
I'd like to start experimenting with different organizational
and procedural approaches to the projects I participate in
here. What I want to do is to see how far I can push
the envelope on the whole notion of empowerment and
self-governance in
Hi Joe,
The first idea should be fairly straightforward: that for
the projects I participate in (so far thrift and sis), that
the IPMC delegates to the PPMC the decision-making process
for voting in new committers: basically rolling back the clock
to May 1, 2007 on guides/ppmc.html.
+1 from
Given that the IPMC can still veto a decision of the podling, I like this idea.
+1
LieGrue,
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On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 12:12, Stefan Bodewig bode...@apache.org wrote:
On 2010-08-11, Niall Pemberton wrote:
The real point though is not size - its *activity*.
[absolutely correct observation of low activity snipped]
My concern is if RAT goes TLP then it may be a small step away from
not
Hi Guys,
[...]
So yes, development activity is low.
OTOH patches get applied and releases are made if there is anything to
fix. I'm sure we could have gotten more people to vote if it had been
necessary on the last release, it just wasn't necessary so people
preferred to work on other
On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 15:30, Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote:
Hi Guys,
[...]
So yes, development activity is low.
OTOH patches get applied and releases are made if there is anything to
fix. I'm sure we could have gotten more people to vote if it had been
+1 to IPMC delegates to the PPMC the decision-making process for voting in new committers (one question, would they need
an ACK from IPMC - similar to how PMC's send a note to the board for an ACK for new pmc members)?
In the 2nd question, significant committers, are we asking mentors to
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+1 to IPMC delegates to the PPMC the decision-making
process for voting in new committers (one question,
would they
On 8/11/10 1:45 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
So. Following some advice given to me by Sam Ruby,
I'd like to start experimenting with different organizational
and procedural approaches to the projects I participate in
here. What I want to do is to see how far I can push
the envelope on the
On Aug 11, 2010, at 4:14 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
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+1 to IPMC delegates to the PPMC the decision-making
process for
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On 8/11/10 1:45 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
So. Following some advice given to me by Sam Ruby,
I'd like to start
On 08/11/2010 05:19 PM, Donald Woods wrote:
On 8/11/10 1:45 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
So. Following some advice given to me by Sam Ruby,
I'd like to start experimenting with different organizational
and procedural approaches to the projects I participate in
here. What I want to do is to see
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On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 6:45 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote:
The second idea is more controversial: to hold IPMC votes to
admit all significant committers to those projects to the IPMC
itself. The purpose of this concept is to allow those who
best know the codebase to provide
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Sent: Wed, August 11, 2010 6:16:16 PM
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On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 6:45 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote:
The second idea is more controversial: to
Ant,
My personal opinion (and i am hoping!) was that such individuals from ppmc's who end up in ipmc would help build bridges
between podlings and will help get lessons learned (when any ppmc has issues/problems/roadblocks) back to their ppmc.
This is one area where i've seen people struggle,
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Sent: Wed, August 11, 2010 6:28:17 PM
Subject: Re: an experiment
Ant,
My personal opinion (and i am hoping!) was that such individuals
from ppmc's who end up in ipmc would help build
On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote:
Hi Joe,
The first idea should be fairly straightforward: that for
the projects I participate in (so far thrift and sis), that
the IPMC delegates to the PPMC the decision-making process
for voting
Joe,
Can they not +1 it either? :) seriously, it would be a bit hard to track 2
levels of ipmc members
-- dims
On 08/11/2010 07:24 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
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Sent: Wed, August 11, 2010 8:07:50 PM
Subject: Re: an experiment
Joe,
Can they not +1 it either? :) seriously, it would be a
bit hard to track 2 levels of ipmc members
If we're
On 07/08/2010, at 1:21 AM, Brett Porter wrote:
Hi,
We have finalised the proposal with the additional committer and it has now
been posted for a couple of weeks, so I'd like to put it to a vote.
With the weekend included, I'll tally the votes after 5 days (120 hours).
Obviously +1
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On 07/08/2010, at 1:21 AM, Brett Porter wrote:
Hi,
On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 8:31 PM, Brett Porter br...@apache.org wrote:
We have finalised the proposal with the additional committer and it has now
been posted for a couple of weeks, so I'd like to put it to a vote.
...
Obviously +1 from me.
Would anybody else like to weigh in?
Who, me?
+1
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On Aug 11, 2010, at 4:14 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
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From: Davanum Srinivas
+1 to IPMC delegates to the PPMC the decision-making
process for voting in new committers (one question,
would they need an ACK from IPMC - similar to how PMC's
send a note to the board for an ACK for new pmc members)?
That certainly sounds like a reasonable thing to do, sure.
On 2010-08-11, Joe Schaefer wrote:
From: Davanum Srinivas dava...@gmail.com
+1 to IPMC delegates to the PPMC the decision-making process for
voting in new committers (one question, would they need an ACK from
IPMC - similar to how PMC's send a note to the board for an ACK for
new pmc
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 1:45 AM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote:
The first idea should be fairly straightforward: that for
the projects I participate in (so far thrift and sis), that
the IPMC delegates to the PPMC the decision-making process
for voting in new committers: basically
On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 19:24, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote:
From: Davanum Srinivas dava...@gmail.com
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Wed, August 11, 2010 6:28:17 PM
Subject: Re: an experiment
Ant,
My personal opinion (and i am hoping!) was that such individuals
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