RE: Proposal for OpenOffice Incubator strategy

2011-06-02 Thread Allen Pulsifer
Hello Simon, This is a noble proposal, but there are is an important prerequisite. The LibreOffice is currently only accepting contributions licensed under the LGPL. The LibreOffice project cannot take those contributions and insert them into an Apache Licensed project without the approval of

RE: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal

2011-06-03 Thread Allen Pulsifer
(3)  There is even talk as to why?  I'm also curious as to why they would need or want to transfer the project to Apache. Only the person who made that decision knows the answer, and if you ask them, you might get an answer, and it might even be the real answer. But you never know. I will

RE: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal

2011-06-03 Thread Allen Pulsifer
When this question comes up I've been asking the commenter to give a reasoned estimate for how many volunteers will be needed.  I'm generally seeing that 20 core developers are needed for project maintenance.  Some suggest more is needed for incubation, but I think this might be a shifting

RE: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting the Community?

2011-06-03 Thread Allen Pulsifer
- What is wrong about the TDF that is better at ASF, for being the home of a free office suite? It is not clear to what extent the choice of the ASF was driven by Oracle, and you probably won't get either Oracle or IBM to talk about that. However, to the extent that it was driven by Oracle, that

RE: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting the Community?

2011-06-03 Thread Allen Pulsifer
 Which is why I raised the question regarding TDF's ability to relicense all of the contributions it has received. As I understand it Noel, TDF accepts contributions under open source licenses alone and unlike ASF does not require a contributor license agreement, so is unable to relicense

RE: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting the Community?

2011-06-03 Thread Allen Pulsifer
Are you ready to call for a vote? :) I think you need to allow a little time for people to read what has been written, absorb and reflect on it, and react appropriately. And I'm not (just) talking about ASF members--I'm talking about the potentially larger community. Rushing things will not

RE: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting the Community?

2011-06-03 Thread Allen Pulsifer
I suggest you stick to the content of the e-mails on the list, Jim. Yes, I am concerned about how this all came about, but the reason I am here on the list is to be constructive and not to be bitch-slapped and misrepresented just for showing up. This email has no place on this list.  Take

RE: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting the Community?

2011-06-03 Thread Allen Pulsifer
If this is how guests are going to be treated here at ASF, then yes, we'll take it elsewhere and IBM can go it alone. OK... I offer my apologies... I agree that this has gotten quite heated and gone w offbase. I admit my culpability in my actions which have allowed it and apologize.

RE: Apache OpenOffice.org Incubator Proposal: Collaboration with TDF/LO

2011-06-03 Thread Allen Pulsifer
As a Incubator PMC member, I'd like to hear what the TDF folks think about this suggested path. In the end the people who do the day-to-day work will end up collaborating or not...But, here's my +1 that implies that i'd like folks who are signing on to this podling do their best to make this

RE: OOo - Lines in the sand and pre-determined conclusions...

2011-06-03 Thread Allen Pulsifer
However, I do not believe the ASF is likely to provide a good home for the OO.o project in the long run, Meeks said. When I read that, I also did not see anything offensive. I believe when Michael said that he was thinking of OOo as he knows it, which is a desktop application. The ASF has no

RE: Recuse as mentor?

2011-06-04 Thread Allen Pulsifer
Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wote: Seems that some people are not happy with my outreach to the communties, or whatever... There are plenty of suggestions and posts on things that I have done wrong, or did not do, or did not due to someone's satisfaction. If people want, I will happily

RE: OOo - Lines in the sand and pre-determined conclusions...

2011-06-06 Thread Allen Pulsifer
Noel, I think your labels Conclusion and Supporting statements are incorrect, and that might explain why you fail to see how you draw the conclusion from the supporting arguments. The paragraph in question may contain more than one conclusion, and it may contain one or more opinions which the

RE: OpenOffice patent issues (was Remediation ...)

2011-06-10 Thread Allen Pulsifer
Sam wrote: Before proceeding, I would like to seek advice from our counsel.  I also want to proceed based on specific patent infringement concerns and not on abstract hypotheticals.  However, I don't want to spend valuable time on this until we decide whether or not to accept this project for

RE: This list is for how not why?

2011-06-10 Thread Allen Pulsifer
Greetings khirano, Can you tell me what podling is? podling is a made up (meaning invented) word that the ASF uses to refer to a project in the incubation stage. The word podling is formed by the root word pod (which should be in your dictionary) and the suffix -ling which means small (that