Re: 76 character widths for board reports?

2014-09-11 Thread Greg Stein
On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 12:02 AM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 7:14 PM, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote: Is this really necessary? Yes. The Board minutes, which include all reports, are formatted as plain text every month. ^^

Re: Do we need a disclaimer? (Storm)

2013-11-14 Thread Greg Stein
If you release as an Apache Incubator project, the disclaimer is required. If you release as your prior project, with prior infra and procedures, then no. Note: you cannot release as an Incubator project unless you use Apache procedures. Cheers, -g On Nov 14, 2013 11:49 PM, P. Taylor Goetz

Re: Apache project bylaws

2013-10-04 Thread Greg Stein
On Oct 3, 2013 12:52 PM, Joseph Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote: ... e.g. how to vote properly on personnel issues, and that should entirely suffice. Even Greg doesn't seem to know what consensus voting means in this context, Really, Joe? Why did you throw that in? I know what consensus

Re: Apache project bylaws

2013-10-03 Thread Greg Stein
For committership, that is typical. Most PMCs allow a veto for adding new members to the PMC. On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Joseph Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote: Good Lord man all you need to add is a one-sentence statement that personnel votes are consensus votes not procedural

Re: [ANNOUNCE]: Apache Sentry 1.2.0 released

2013-09-25 Thread Greg Stein
for branding of your podling. Your MENTORS should have been helping with this :-( Regards, Greg Stein On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 01:06:45PM -0700, Shreepadma Venugopalan wrote: The Apache Sentry team is happy to announce the release of Apache Sentry 1.2.0. Apache Sentry is a system to enforce

Re: [ANNOUNCE]: Apache Sentry 1.2.0 released

2013-09-25 Thread Greg Stein
of Apache Sentry. It also has the required disclaimer. We'll be more diligent in the future. Regards, Shreepadma On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 2:31 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: ATTENTION I have rejected this announcement from the annou...@apache.org list. It does NOT clearly state

Re: Web voting

2013-09-02 Thread Greg Stein
We already have a web interface to the voting (h/t Joe), but I bet there is quite a bit more to what you're asking. We're pretty low on dev time :-/ ... Volunteers are certainly welcome! We've got some ideas in motion, but can certainly use help. Thx, -g On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Marvin

Re: Web voting

2013-09-02 Thread Greg Stein
Apache doesn't need to develop anything. But if there is a community that wants to work on a project under the ASF umbrella, then the Foundation is happy to help them. Cheers, -g On Sep 2, 2013 11:53 AM, Jordan Zimmerman jor...@jordanzimmerman.com wrote: Why does Apache need to develop this?

Re: Creating announce@ lists by default

2013-07-02 Thread Greg Stein
On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 9:59 PM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com wrote: On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 7:29 PM, Noah Slater nsla...@apache.org wrote: Hey Marvin, Did you get anywhere with this? Finally, yes. I've written up the subject on the Incubator wiki and linked to it from the proposal

Re: [DISCUSS] Accept Stratos as an Apache Incubation Project

2013-06-15 Thread Greg Stein
proposal. Sent from a mobile device, please excuse mistakes and brevity On 15 Jun 2013 05:05, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 6:26 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: ... Now, truth be told, I don't like the pTLP reporting to the board idea

Re: [VOTE] Accept Stratos proposal as an incubating project

2013-06-15 Thread Greg Stein
Not your bad. An obvious change based on discussion. IMO, I say Marvin is being overly pedantic. On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: Marvin, That change was agreed in the discuss thread. I failed to look to see if it had been made before I called

Re: [VOTE] Accept Stratos proposal as an incubating project

2013-06-15 Thread Greg Stein
Please don't apologize for a change that is proper and Right. In fact, when you look at the *actual* change, it is awesome. It is a clear benefit for the podling and project, and a demonstration of WSO2's generosity around the trademarks that it has worked to build. There should not be a need to

Re: [DISCUSS] Accept Stratos as an Apache Incubation Project

2013-06-14 Thread Greg Stein
Speaking as a Director, the Board will need a *definition* of probation. This is more than just a wiki page. I believe it needs to be a page laid down in www.a.o/dev/ that defines the constraints laid down upon a pTLP (I really like Ross' acronym there!). These differences/constraints should

Re: [DISCUSS] Accept Stratos as an Apache Incubation Project

2013-06-14 Thread Greg Stein
On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 9:31 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: ... I propose we ensure that whatever we put before the board in July has an alternative course of action that does not disenfranchise the IPMC It is perfectly fine to disenfranchise the IPMC. It does not get a

Re: [DISCUSS] Accept Stratos as an Apache Incubation Project

2013-06-14 Thread Greg Stein
On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 6:26 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: ... Now, truth be told, I don't like the pTLP reporting to the board idea. I see no problem whatsoever with the suggested pTLP reporting. Let me throw out a hypothetical counterpoint here... The Incubator gathers

Re: svn commit: r1488735 - in /incubator/public/trunk/tools: NOTICE.txt requirements.txt setup.py src/asf/utils/ src/asf/utils/__init__.py src/asf/utils/config.py src/asf/utils/file.py tests/test_conf

2013-06-04 Thread Greg Stein
On Jun 4, 2013 4:22 AM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 1:45 AM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: Simple as that. If only. This is the old what goes in the NOTICE file debate that has probably caused more emails and confusion than any other topic here

Re: svn commit: r1488735 - in /incubator/public/trunk/tools: NOTICE.txt requirements.txt setup.py src/asf/utils/ src/asf/utils/__init__.py src/asf/utils/config.py src/asf/utils/file.py tests/test_conf

2013-06-04 Thread Greg Stein
On Jun 4, 2013 9:40 AM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 1:46 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: ... And this isn't some podling trying to figure shit out. This is some Incubator tooling that has explicitly incorporated third party code. We absolutely know

Re: svn commit: r1488735 - in /incubator/public/trunk/tools: NOTICE.txt requirements.txt setup.py src/asf/utils/ src/asf/utils/__init__.py src/asf/utils/config.py src/asf/utils/file.py tests/test_conf

2013-06-03 Thread Greg Stein
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 5:23 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: On 3 June 2013 05:10, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 11:08 PM, Alan Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote: ... Apache Incubator tools Copyright 2013 The Apache Software Foundation This product includes

Re: svn commit: r1488735 - in /incubator/public/trunk/tools: NOTICE.txt requirements.txt setup.py src/asf/utils/ src/asf/utils/__init__.py src/asf/utils/config.py src/asf/utils/file.py tests/test_conf

2013-06-03 Thread Greg Stein
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 5:45 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: ... I think that conflicts with the advice here: http://www.apache.org/dev/licensing-howto.html#mod-notice The last sentence says: Do not add anything to NOTICE which is not legally required. Being legal and being nice may not be

Re: svn commit: r1488735 - in /incubator/public/trunk/tools: NOTICE.txt requirements.txt setup.py src/asf/utils/ src/asf/utils/__init__.py src/asf/utils/config.py src/asf/utils/file.py tests/test_conf

2013-06-03 Thread Greg Stein
As I said, it does look good. But I don't see the LinkedIn Copyright in any files under tools/. The copyright/license header should remain in the files that you copied into our repos. It is impossible to tell what is from LinkedIn. Cheers, -g On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 11:08 PM, Alan Cabrera

Re: svn commit: r1488735 - in /incubator/public/trunk/tools: NOTICE.txt requirements.txt setup.py src/asf/utils/ src/asf/utils/__init__.py src/asf/utils/config.py src/asf/utils/file.py tests/test_conf

2013-06-03 Thread Greg Stein
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 8:15 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: On 4 June 2013 01:04, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 5:45 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: ... I think that conflicts with the advice here: http://www.apache.org/dev/licensing-howto.html#mod-notice

Re: svn commit: r1488735 - in /incubator/public/trunk/tools: NOTICE.txt requirements.txt setup.py src/asf/utils/ src/asf/utils/__init__.py src/asf/utils/config.py src/asf/utils/file.py tests/test_conf

2013-06-02 Thread Greg Stein
On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 11:08 PM, Alan Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote: ... Apache Incubator tools Copyright 2013 The Apache Software Foundation This product includes software developed at The Apache Software Foundation (http://www.apache.org/). This distribution contains code from the

Re: [META DISCUSS] talking about the overall state of this PMC

2013-05-07 Thread Greg Stein
On a whole different direction, one way to scale is to shift from Incubator-managed podlings to Board-managed. The podling would effectively be a TLP on probation. The Champion, Mentors, and Board would be providing oversight. I would posit that the Board is more capable of oversight than the

Re: [META DISCUSS] talking about the overall state of this PMC

2013-05-07 Thread Greg Stein
On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 12:58 AM, Alan Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote: On May 7, 2013, at 9:15 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: On a whole different direction, one way to scale is to shift from Incubator-managed podlings to Board-managed. The podling would effectively be a TLP

Re: configuration of svn [Was: svn commit: r1477438 - /incubator/public/trunk/content/projects/jclouds.xml]

2013-05-06 Thread Greg Stein
After you add a file (and before commit), you can use 'svn propset' to set properties. In addition, there are auto props in your personal configuration file. If people in a group don't have the autoprops set similarly, then your default props can (obviously) vary. Subversion 1.8 (*) will provide

Re: April report filed

2013-04-22 Thread Greg Stein
On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 10:02 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 9:43 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: ... It all seemed very rushed. Perhaps we need a clearer schedule in advance. A series of reminders go out via Marvin long in advance. And

Re: April report filed

2013-04-22 Thread Greg Stein
On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 4:40 AM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: ... On the other hand, since we're a volunteer organization, a better message here would be that people *can* take responsibility, not that they *should* do so. If there aren't enough people with enough free cycles

Re: [PROPOSAL] TL;DR editors

2013-04-09 Thread Greg Stein
It is not your job. You are one of many of the IPMC. You also happen to be the liaison to the Board. On Apr 9, 2013 9:39 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: I assume that you will take that role for this thread. Some people might claim that this is my job in general. However, my

Re: Incubator structure (was Re: Vote on personal matters: majority vote vs consensus)

2013-04-04 Thread Greg Stein
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 2:26 AM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: On Apr 3, 2013, at 1:20 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 11:18 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: ...Chris proposes that this committee recommend its own demise to the board, to be

Re: Incubator structure (was Re: Vote on personal matters: majority vote vs consensus)

2013-04-04 Thread Greg Stein
On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: Ant is reflecting a real dilemma here. At Apache, we try to be egalitarian, and we try to work by consensus. The natural conclusion is that the many people needed to vote on releases are also part of the

Re: Incubator structure (was Re: Vote on personal matters: majority vote vs consensus)

2013-04-04 Thread Greg Stein
On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 8:20 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: On 31 March 2013 17:08, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote: Why is it so hard to see that the board is already watching those 22 nascent projects in the same manner they watch the 137

Re: Incubator structure (was Re: Vote on personal matters: majority vote vs consensus)

2013-04-04 Thread Greg Stein
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 7:42 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: As I see it, the incubator as we have it is a mechanism for coping with the lack of mentor commitment. As Ross often writes, it's easy to say that Mentors *should* make this commitment, but mentors are volunteers,

Re: Incubator structure (was Re: Vote on personal matters: majority vote vs consensus)

2013-04-04 Thread Greg Stein
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: On 4 April 2013 09:06, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 8:20 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: On 31 March 2013 17:08, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) chris.a.mattm

Re: Creating announce@ lists by default

2013-03-28 Thread Greg Stein
On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Noah Slater nsla...@apache.org wrote: ... I don't believe we should force an announce@ list on anybody. But I do think it might be a good idea to mention a few of the standard lists that projects might consider requesting. No strong opinion. Generally, I don't

Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Mar 2013 ([ppmc])

2013-03-10 Thread Greg Stein
On Mar 9, 2013 9:06 PM, Branko Čibej br...@wandisco.com wrote: On 10.03.2013 03:31, Greg Stein wrote: I didn't sign it because I expected changes regarding graduation... Well, given that the end of the graduation vote and the report deadline coincide, I decided to just leave the report

Re: [VOTE] Graduate Apache Bloodhound from Incubator

2013-03-10 Thread Greg Stein
%3E- if so, just linking to the discussion is fine. Kalle On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Joachim Dreimann jdreim...@apache.org wrote: +1 (non-binding) - Joe On 10 March 2013 02:30, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: +1 (binding) On Mar 9, 2013 6:32 PM, Gary Martin

Re: [VOTE] Graduate Apache Bloodhound from Incubator

2013-03-09 Thread Greg Stein
Ollos rjol...@apache.org * Mark Poole mpo...@apache.org * Greg Stein gst...@apache.org * Hyrum K. Wright hwri...@apache.org * Jure Žitnik j...@apache.org NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Gary Martin be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache Bloodhound, to serve

Re: No more existing-TLP graduations (was: [PROPOSAL] Curator for the Apache Incubator)

2013-03-01 Thread Greg Stein
On Mar 1, 2013 8:33 PM, Niall Pemberton niall.pember...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 9:52 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: I concur with Chris, and want to strengthen/meta the point. The Incubator should not be used for projects which are intended to become part

No more existing-TLP graduations (was: [PROPOSAL] Curator for the Apache Incubator)

2013-02-26 Thread Greg Stein
I concur with Chris, and want to strengthen/meta the point. The Incubator should not be used for projects which are intended to become part of an existing TLP. The Incubator *creates* Apache-style communities. But... Stop. For these, we don't want a separate/new community. They are supposed to be

Re: [PROPOSAL] Curator for the Apache Incubator

2013-02-25 Thread Greg Stein
My concern is that we're looking at two new committers, rather than a Curator community. Following normal Incubator work, Curator would build a community for itself. But then we'd have a community *distinct* from that of Zookeeper. And it really looks like this should be part of Zookeeper itself

Re: [PROPOSAL] Provisionr join the Apache Incubator

2013-02-25 Thread Greg Stein
On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Andrei Savu as...@apache.org wrote: ... ### Mailing lists * provisionr-private * provisionr-dev * provisionr-user A user list is not recommended for a new community. That only serves to divide a limited number of people. Your users should be involved on the

Re: [PROPOSAL] Curator for the Apache Incubator

2013-02-25 Thread Greg Stein
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 2:23 AM, Patrick Hunt ph...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 11:01 PM, Henry Saputra henry.sapu...@gmail.com wrote: So isnt this similar to HCatalog which relying on Hive metadata service that ends up as sub project of Apache Hive? I was against having

Re: Report verbiage

2013-02-14 Thread Greg Stein
to be in good shape the actual line by line podling reports are unimportant other than being the outputs of the incubator project. Sent from a mobile device, please excuse mistakes and brevity On 13 Feb 2013 23:40, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 13, 2013 3:39 PM, Matt

Re: no shepherds assignments this time?

2013-02-13 Thread Greg Stein
Or... take the initiative. At the Board level, the shepherds are the default liaison between the Board and the PMC. But all Directors review all reports. There is nothing which limits IPMC Members to review only the reports assigned to them as shepherds. Just start reviewing. Don't wait for

Re: no shepherds assignments this time?

2013-02-13 Thread Greg Stein
I will note, as Vice Chairman, I've performed shepherd assignments when Doug was buried. (we have a handy script that I wrote long ago, after starting the shepherd process; makes it easy to share the task) Point is: maybe somebody who is familiar with the IPMC shepherd process could step in and

Re: Report verbiage

2013-02-13 Thread Greg Stein
On Feb 13, 2013 3:39 PM, Matt Franklin m.ben.frank...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 11:45 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: Does anyone feel inclined to communicate anything to the board except 'here's the usual podling-by-podling report' Do any of the directors

Re: [PROPOSAL] RDBMSSR: RDBMS Software Redundancy Proposal

2013-01-24 Thread Greg Stein
On Jan 24, 2013 2:53 AM, Federico Strati fede.str...@gmail.com wrote: ... The proposed idea is in its very early stage of conception, so any discussion, even if completely against it (but with good reasons), will be appreciated as well as any pointer to related on going efforts in any project.

Re: [PROPOSAL] RDBMSSR: RDBMS Software Redundancy Proposal

2013-01-24 Thread Greg Stein
On Jan 24, 2013 5:41 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: Hi, On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 8:52 AM, Federico Strati fede.str...@gmail.com wrote: ...Maybe you may suggest me the appropriate forum as well As you don't seem to have code or a community yet, and there was

Re: Getting IPMC members to vote Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Bloodhound 0.4 (incubating)

2013-01-23 Thread Greg Stein
For argument's sake, let's say two. That is the specified/recommended minimum. Thus, the IPMC must contribute an additional +1. Thus, it can totally block podling releases thru its laziness and inactivity. Sounds broken. -g On Jan 23, 2013 5:22 PM, Dave Fisher w...@apache.org wrote: How many

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Bloodhound 0.4 (incubating)

2013-01-17 Thread Greg Stein
On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 5:47 PM, Ryan Ollos ryan.ol...@wandisco.com wrote: ... Please vote: [ ] +1 Release this package as Apache Bloodhound 0.4 [ ] +0 Don't care [ ] -1 Do not release this package (please explain) +1 (binding; Mentor)

Re: Thoughts about formalizing the role of shepherd

2013-01-13 Thread Greg Stein
On Jan 13, 2013 11:46 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: ... Next down are the 'vice-chairs', currently known as the shepherds. Each of these people is responsible for a group of projects, dispersed across the reporting cycle. The shepherd, at least, tunes into the reports, but

Re: First attempt at January2013 report template

2012-12-29 Thread Greg Stein
Looks good. btw: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/January2013 On Dec 29, 2012 6:42 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 5:50 PM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 11:25 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com

Re: Do all releases need to go to /dist?

2012-12-22 Thread Greg Stein
Nobody should **EVER** revert another's commit. That is a truly horrible suggestion. The original committer should revise/revert. Nobody else. -g (sorry; tablet; abbreviated) On Dec 21, 2012 8:12 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: My belief is that the policy changed a long

Re: Your Bloodhound is calling you

2012-12-01 Thread Greg Stein
Well aware, thank you. On Dec 1, 2012 12:39 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: Hyrum and Greg, The bloodhound project is trying to make a release. You gents are listed as mentors. Could you please find the time to check out and vote appropriately on their release? --benson

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Bloodhound 0.2 (incubating)

2012-11-14 Thread Greg Stein
+1 to release (IPMC, binding) [ apologies for the extreme delay :-( ] On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 10:22 AM, Joachim Dreimann joachim.dreim...@wandisco.com wrote: Hi, I would like to request the beginning of the vote for the second release of Apache Bloodhound in the incubator following the

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Bloodhound 0.2 (incubating)

2012-11-14 Thread Greg Stein
Oh. Forgot one item: so the below is conditional on resolving: the .md5 does not match the .tar.gz. (I did not examine the signature (.asc) to see if it matches the .tar.gz) On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 12:52 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: +1 to release (IPMC, binding) [ apologies

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Bloodhound 0.2 (incubating)

2012-11-14 Thread Greg Stein
On Nov 14, 2012 2:13 PM, Alexander Broekhuis a.broekh...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, 2012/11/14 Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com Oh. Forgot one item: so the below is conditional on resolving: the .md5 does not match the .tar.gz. (I did not examine the signature (.asc) to see if it matches

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Bloodhound 0.2 (incubating)

2012-11-14 Thread Greg Stein
I've confirmed this discrepancy is the same as what Alexander Broekhuis posted about, as noted in INFRA-5445. So 0.2 is all good to go!! On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: Oh. Forgot one item: so the below is conditional on resolving: the .md5 does not match

Re: Shepherd Assignments?

2012-11-12 Thread Greg Stein
Lame duck! Lame duck! ... oh, excuse me. ;-) On Nov 12, 2012 7:47 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not installed yet :-) Jukka? On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 8:36 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: Hi Benson / Jukka - I'm waiting for my shepherd assignments.

Re: Anticipating my reign of terror -- new idea for December

2012-11-08 Thread Greg Stein
Empirically, Model 1 did not work. That's been tried over the past ten years. *shrug* ... whatever you want to do. I just wanted to speak up that you appeared to be conflating the mentor and shepherd roles (as they had been defined over the past couple months). If you *intend* to combine them

Re: Anticipating my reign of terror -- new idea for December

2012-11-06 Thread Greg Stein
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 7:14 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: ... 1. A number of people think that all mentors should have been signing all reports all along, so that changing the template as part of clarifying this is not a big deal. Sure. The mentors should be part of the

Re: key signing

2012-10-10 Thread Greg Stein
I've read this entire thread (whew!), and would actually like to throw out a contrary position: No signed keys. Consider: releases come from the ASF, not a person. The RM builds the release artifacts and checks them into version control along with hash checksums. Other PMC members validate the

Re: key signing

2012-10-10 Thread Greg Stein
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 9:10 PM, Daniel Shahaf d...@daniel.shahaf.name wrote: Greg Stein wrote on Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 19:44:30 -0400: I've read this entire thread (whew!), and would actually like to throw out a contrary position: No signed keys. Consider: releases come from the ASF

Re: key signing

2012-10-10 Thread Greg Stein
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 7:53 PM, Ian Holsman i...@holsman.com.au wrote: On Oct 11, 2012, at 10:44 AM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: (assume secure Infrastructure) That's a pretty big assumption isn't it? Empirically, we've had break-ins, so we can assume it will happen again. But now

Re: key signing

2012-10-10 Thread Greg Stein
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 9:35 PM, Daniel Shahaf d...@daniel.shahaf.name wrote: Greg Stein wrote on Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 21:14:15 -0400: ... My point is that our instructions to users don't really incorporoate the notions of keys, and (thus) provide near-zero utility. For such So, provide

Re: Bloodhound status (Was: [Incubator Wiki] Update of September2012 by GaryMartin)

2012-09-13 Thread Greg Stein
On Sep 13, 2012 5:58 AM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: ... Do you have a rough idea of how close you are to graduation in terms of community diversity and activity? A brief look at list archives and commit logs shows fairly active discussions (both on the list and on the issue

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote

2012-08-27 Thread Greg Stein
On Aug 27, 2012 6:15 AM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I'm jumping in late to this discussion after returning from vacation. To summarize my understanding: * As Joe says, there's no problem with current OpenOffice releases. Agreed. * The project is looking for ways to

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote

2012-08-27 Thread Greg Stein
On Aug 27, 2012 9:57 AM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote: ... But recall in all this that even when the PMC releases code, it is signed by the individual RM, and not by the PMC itself. Apache Subversion releases tend to have a half-dozen signatures. Thus, I'd say they are signed by the

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote

2012-08-25 Thread Greg Stein
On Aug 25, 2012 9:46 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: ... Of course, a discussion thread started here to solicit the IPMC's opinion on graduation would be another matter entirely. If Rob is representative of AOO, then no. They need more time to learn about the ASF. -g

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote

2012-08-24 Thread Greg Stein
Joe: that is what is being discussed. Blessed binaries. Go back to Dennis' email for the need for these. On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 3:11 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote: WHAT PROBLEM? THERE IS NO PROBLEM HERE, CURRENT POLICY FULLY COVERS WHAT AOO ACTUALLY DOES. END OF DISCUSSION.

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote

2012-08-24 Thread Greg Stein
On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: ... Or if someone who cared sufficiently about this policy area took ownership and proposed a wording of the policy, either as a Board resolution, or on legal-discuss, and had that policy approved and recorded via the ordinary

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache OpenOffice 3.4.1 (incubating) RC2

2012-08-21 Thread Greg Stein
Rob: I believe it is rather foolish to argue that Roy is incorrect. For starters, he wrote the Bylaws, and is well-versed in the intent of this Foundation. Second, the Foundation policies take precedence over third-party concepts, so whether you/OSI may define a binary as open source is wholly

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache OpenOffice 3.4.1 (incubating) RC2

2012-08-21 Thread Greg Stein
On Aug 20, 2012 5:06 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: On Aug 20, 2012, at 12:45 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: ... -1 I object to the claim that the AOO binaries are officially part of this release: ... I am not surprised at your response, but it is hard and unproductive to argue

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache OpenOffice 3.4.1 (incubating) RC2

2012-08-21 Thread Greg Stein
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Thilo Goetz twgo...@gmx.de wrote: On 21/08/12 13:59, Branko Čibej wrote: On 21.08.2012 12:52, sebb wrote: I think the NOTICE problems are serious enough to warrant a respin. This is an unreasonable request. The IPMC voted on the 3.4.0 release. The notice file

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache OpenOffice 3.4.1 (incubating) RC2

2012-08-21 Thread Greg Stein
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 11:26 AM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Thilo Goetz twgo...@gmx.de wrote: On 21/08/12 13:59, Branko Čibej wrote: On 21.08.2012 12:52, sebb wrote: I think the NOTICE problems are serious enough to warrant a respin

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote

2012-08-20 Thread Greg Stein
Just because some other podlings have released binary artifacts does not mean AOO can base their entire release strategy on binaries. As Marvin has said: source releases are the primary release mechanism. Binaries are and should be a distant second. I would also state that continuing to argue

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote

2012-08-20 Thread Greg Stein
On Aug 20, 2012 8:33 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 8:11 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: ... I would also state that continuing to argue is symptomatic of a failure to understand and integrate with the Foundation's thoughts on the matter

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote

2012-08-20 Thread Greg Stein
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Prescott Nasser geobmx...@hotmail.com wrote: I'm sorry, I'm playing catch-up and I'm a bit unclear on the argument - Marvin said: If the podling believes that ASF-endorsed binaries are a hard requirement, then it seems to me that the ASF is not yet ready

Re: [RT] a minimal set of docs for incubator.apache.org

2012-08-08 Thread Greg Stein
Commit the content. Otherwise, we're just hand-waving. On Aug 8, 2012 5:29 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: Hi, Like others, I'm not too happy with the current http://incubator.apache.org/ content. How about starting a new, minimal set of docs that are more

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Bloodhound 0.1.0 (incubating)

2012-08-07 Thread Greg Stein
On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 7:14 AM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: ... This looks similar to the Syncope release vote thats also happening right now in that the source distribution includes things like JQuery but doesn't mention that in the LICENSE file. I'm a bit surprised people are

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Bloodhound 0.1.0 (incubating)

2012-08-07 Thread Greg Stein
On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 3:44 PM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 11:38 AM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: Gosh i'm pretty sure we _don't_ allow things like (L)GPL dependencies in Incubator releases, we allow them in the source in SVN but i don't recall

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Bloodhound 0.1.0 (incubating)

2012-08-07 Thread Greg Stein
On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 2:38 PM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: ... Gosh i'm pretty sure we _don't_ allow things like (L)GPL dependencies in Incubator releases, we allow them in the source in SVN but i don't recall any releases like that. As I replied to Marvin, Apache Roller had a hard

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Bloodhound 0.1.0 (incubating)

2012-08-07 Thread Greg Stein
On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 5:54 PM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 9:51 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: ... You can look at the archives back in 2006 when it was incubating. In particular, there is one sent to private@incubator that I would refer you to: http

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Bloodhound 0.1.0 (incubating)

2012-08-06 Thread Greg Stein
On Aug 6, 2012 7:07 PM, Gary Martin gary.mar...@wandisco.com wrote: ... The vote will be open for at least 72 hours and therefore ends after 11pm UTC on Thursday 9th August. [ ] +1 Release this package as Apache Bloodhound 0.1.0 [ ] +0 Don't care [ ] -1 Do not release this package (please

Re: Preparing for August report

2012-07-26 Thread Greg Stein
Jukka, Your dates are incorrect. We intend to have a regular Board meeting on the 15th, and an abbreviated in-person meeting on the 28th. Cheers, Greg Stein Director, ASF On Jul 26, 2012 12:16 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, The standard podling report deadline

Re: Preparing for August report

2012-07-26 Thread Greg Stein
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: ... We've had a couple of other cases of also other shepherd's missing their reviews. I've tried to cover up the best I can by reviewing and at least classifying all reports on which no shepherd feedback is seen, but

Re: About cc'ing general@ or private@ in votes

2012-07-10 Thread Greg Stein
No worries, Simone. Not your issue at all. The private@incubator.a.o list has recently seen a huge influx of voting emails. I'm not surprised to see Jukka provide some guidance. Cheers, -g On Jul 10, 2012 9:16 AM, Simone Tripodi simonetrip...@apache.org wrote: Hi Jukka, it sounds like a good

Re: [VOTE] Retire AWF from incubation

2012-07-04 Thread Greg Stein
+1 (binding) On Jul 4, 2012 5:19 PM, Roger Schildmeijer schildmei...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, The AWF community has voted to retire the project. Following the retirement guide [1], I now call the Incubator PMC to vote on confirming this decision. (Will be open for 72 hours). [ ] +1 Retire

Re: Board will be proposing a new TLP

2012-07-02 Thread Greg Stein
On Jul 2, 2012 11:20 AM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: ... From the SVN history it looks like there are quite a few of those others who have done work on the code in the past, is there a reason they aren't on

Re: Board will be proposing a new TLP

2012-07-02 Thread Greg Stein
On Jul 2, 2012 12:45 AM, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote: ... I hope that someone can help me understand the current thinking about the vibrant community aspect that seems to be a requirement for incubation/TLP admission. The underlying requirement is an open, inclusive, long-term

Re: svn commit: r1354707 - /incubator/public/trunk/content/projects/allura.xml

2012-06-28 Thread Greg Stein
On Jun 28, 2012 3:26 AM, David Crossley cross...@apache.org wrote: David Crossley wrote: Sorry Rich, that extra information in the mailing lists section cannot be parsed by Clutch. Perhaps move it to the News section. Also, the tracker is the eventual ASF tracker that is intended. There

Re: svn commit: r1354707 - /incubator/public/trunk/content/projects/allura.xml

2012-06-28 Thread Greg Stein
On Jun 28, 2012 9:18 PM, David Crossley cross...@apache.org wrote: Greg Stein wrote: David Crossley wrote: Also, the tracker is the eventual ASF tracker that is intended. There is no requirement to run the issue tracker on ASF hardware, so the link to SF.net is just fine. Ah

Re: [VOTE] [PROPOSAL] Allura to enter the Incubator

2012-06-21 Thread Greg Stein
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 12:34 PM, Rich Bowen rbo...@rcbowen.com wrote: Hi, We are proposing Allura to be admitted to the Apache Incubator, and would like to request that the IPMC votes on this issue. The requisite 72 hours has passed since the initial proposal. The proposal may be found

Re: [DISCUSS] Kato to the attic?

2012-06-14 Thread Greg Stein
On Jun 14, 2012 8:46 AM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: On 6/14/12, Gianugo Rabellino gian...@rabellino.it wrote: On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 12:14 AM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: Kato is not an ASF project (yet), so wouldn't it just be rm'd rather than moving to the Attic

Re: Bloodhound - a shepherd's view

2012-06-14 Thread Greg Stein
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 12:36 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: Bloodhound required a little prodding to get their podling report done. The project is still new to the incubator. Progress is being made.

Re: [DISCUSS] Kato to the attic?

2012-06-13 Thread Greg Stein
Kato is not an ASF project (yet), so wouldn't it just be rm'd rather than moving to the Attic? On Jun 11, 2012 6:07 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: Wearing the very small hat of shepherd, I write to start a discussion of moving Kato to the attic. The last sign of activity

Re: [MENTORS] Third Party source

2012-06-08 Thread Greg Stein
On Jun 8, 2012 2:33 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com wrote: The individual involved is willing to allow the copyright to be moved, and we asked here to find out how formal the permission referred to in [1] must be.

Re: [MENTORS] Third Party source

2012-06-07 Thread Greg Stein
On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 5:19 PM, Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com wrote: On 6/7/12 1:58 PM, Greg Reddin gred...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Incubator, See the email below from Alex Harui. I need help figuring out what to do here. I'm not sure if Jeff was ever an employee of Macromedia or what the full

Re: [MENTORS] Third Party source

2012-06-07 Thread Greg Stein
On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 6:15 PM, Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com wrote: On 6/7/12 3:00 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: Should a project move non-ASF copyright notices from Apache source files to the NOTICE file? No. If the copyright owner is still involved with the project, they should move

Re: [MENTORS] Third Party source

2012-06-07 Thread Greg Stein
On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 6:13 PM, Greg Reddin gred...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 5:00 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: Jeff doesn't have to do it himself: that's just deference to his wishes and ensuring that we don't pre-suppose or get them wrong. Ah, so there's no legal

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