Re: should podlings have informal chairs?

2011-11-22 Thread ant elder
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 10:20 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 3:05 AM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 8:03 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote: ... We should be reporting to the board about OUR work, not the

Re: [VOTE] Release Kafka 0.7.0-incubating

2011-11-24 Thread ant elder
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 4:14 AM, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote: On Nov 23, 2011, at 5:47 PM, Neha Narkhede wrote: Alan, It's unfortunate that the vote only took 24 hours on the Kafka list; it was my understanding that votes take 72 hours. Because the only change was in the

Re: Does Apache Have a 'Rule' Problem, or does the Incubator sometimes just make it look that way?

2011-11-24 Thread ant elder
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 3:14 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: When the hot air manufacturers start ragging on us, one of the usual tags that they paint is 'rules' and 'bureaucracy'. If you read general@, you will see a fairly regular occurrence that feeds this perception.

Re: [PROPOSAL] Clarify the role of the Champion as an incubation coordinator (was: should podlings have informal chairs?)

2011-11-24 Thread ant elder
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 5:25 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: On 24 November 2011 17:17, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: I had hoped that the business of a PPMC-member champion being a VP-elect would have just gone away.  That coupling is certain to inspire

Re: [VOTE] Release of Lucene.Net 2.9.4-incubating-RC3

2011-11-25 Thread ant elder
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: I hate to have to say this, but I have concerns about the NOTICE file based on recent traffic here. LOL Unfortunately, that conversation left me with a giant headache and no clear idea. The issue is that there's

Re: [VOTE] Release Kafka 0.7.0-incubating

2011-11-25 Thread ant elder
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 7:01 PM, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote: On Nov 24, 2011, at 1:59 AM, ant elder wrote: On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 4:14 AM, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote: On Nov 23, 2011, at 5:47 PM, Neha Narkhede wrote: Alan, It's unfortunate that the vote

Re: [VOTE] Release of Lucene.Net 2.9.4-incubating-RC3

2011-11-25 Thread ant elder
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 7:13 PM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com wrote: Not as frustrating as putting up a release candidate which twists in the wind for weeks waiting for a IPMC member to review because Mentors are awol!  The few individuals who do this thankless work on a regular

Re: [VOTE] Release of Lucene.Net 2.9.4-incubating-RC3

2011-11-26 Thread ant elder
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 6:50 AM, Stefan Bodewig bode...@apache.org wrote: Can anybody please point me to the result of the conversation that defines our current understanding of what goes into NOTICE and what doesn't so I don't give bad advice to podlings?  I'm pretty sure this must have

Re: [VOTE] Release Kafka 0.7.0-incubating

2011-11-26 Thread ant elder
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 1:07 AM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: On 25 November 2011 20:11, ant elder antel...@apache.org wrote: On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 7:01 PM, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote: On Nov 24, 2011, at 1:59 AM, ant elder wrote: On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 4:14 AM, Alan D

Re: Does Apache Have a 'Rule' Problem, or does the Incubator sometimes just make it look that way?

2011-11-27 Thread ant elder
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote: +1 And while we are at

Re: [VOTE] Release of Lucene.Net 2.9.4-incubating-RC3

2011-11-28 Thread ant elder
l...@toolazydogs.com wrote: On Nov 25, 2011, at 8:32 AM, ant elder wrote: On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: I hate to have to say this, but I have concerns about the NOTICE file based on recent traffic here. LOL Unfortunately

Re: concerns about high overhead in Apache incubator releases

2011-11-28 Thread ant elder
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 7:13 PM, Jun Rao jun...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Apache members, Over the past 2 months, the Kafka Apache incubator project has been trying to release its very first version in Apache. After 7 RCs, we are still not done. Part of this is because most of us are new to the

Re: NOTICE file must be minimal (was: [VOTE] Release Kafka 0.7.0-incubating)

2011-11-30 Thread ant elder
On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 12:34 AM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: On 29 November 2011 22:25, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 6:30 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: But if the team already agrees that the changes need to be made, why not do so and re-roll?

Re: Voting time period can be shortened ? (was: [VOTE] Release Kafka 0.7.0-incubating)

2011-11-30 Thread ant elder
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 10:00 PM, Neha Narkhede neha.narkh...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, The context for this is the discussion here - http://markmail.org/message/rsxjgrrufc6khlqy?q=overhead+list:org.apache.incubator.general This was a long discussion with no clear answers. We would like to know

Re: [DISCUSS] Proposed resolution: Establish the Apache ACE Project

2011-12-13 Thread ant elder
Looks ok to me, and good job on all the wrangling and work on the source release. ...ant On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 10:07 PM, Marcel Offermans marcel.offerm...@luminis.nl wrote: In preparation [1] of a vote to propose that the IPMC recommends this resolution to the board, I am posting the

Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings

2012-01-09 Thread ant elder
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 2:55 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 7:37 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 7:00 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: Sam, Rather than argue about the existence and interpretation of

Re: [VOTE] Recommend graduating Apache Bean-Validation (BVAL) as a TLP

2012-01-09 Thread ant elder
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 4:11 AM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: On 8 January 2012 21:04, Mark Struberg strub...@yahoo.de wrote: Dear IPMC, dear Community! The Apache Bean-Validation project provides an ALv2 licensed implementation of the JSR-303 Bean Validation Specification and would like to

Re: On Etch status

2012-01-09 Thread ant elder
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 8:39 AM, Martijn Dashorst martijn.dasho...@gmail.com wrote: Etch is a cross-platform, language- and transport-independent framework for building and consuming network services. The Etch toolset includes a network service description language, a compiler, and binding

Re: Q. Forks without concensus?; A. anytime / depends / never without agreement

2012-01-10 Thread ant elder
On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 5:11 AM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: There is no fork in the current plan, so this discussion is moot anyways. There have been tons of long emails on this proposal and i haven't read them all so am a little lost on whats going on, but

Re: Q. Forks without concensus?; A. anytime / depends / never without agreement

2012-01-10 Thread ant elder
On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 9:24 PM, Roy T. Fielding field...@gbiv.com wrote: The VOTE was based on misleading information.  The Incubator PMC should declare it void and request a new proposal.  The existing Bloodhound podling should be placed on hold until this is sorted out. What is the status

Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings

2012-01-10 Thread ant elder
I like the idea of mentors being expected to signoff on the wiki just to show that they are paying attention, but i also agree that it might be useful to have along with the poddling reports to have comments from the mentors. So how about doing both? Just extend the mentor signoff section to

Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings

2012-01-11 Thread ant elder
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 12:53 AM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote: Let's stop discussing this issue in the abstract then and take a look at the current set of reports.  Of the ones with signatures of mentors, I'm not sure looking at signatures on past reports is going to be useful.

Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings

2012-01-11 Thread ant elder
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 6:52 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote: I hate the fact that these discussions continue to happen in a vacuum devoid of any grasp of the reality that mentors typically don't do a fucking thing for their podlings.  No they don't discuss reports on list, nor

Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings

2012-01-11 Thread ant elder
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 7:58 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote: It IS lame because we've been beating that dead horse for over a year now without any changes taking place. What changes would you like to see? Even if we did require all mentors to sign the reports to indicate they're

Re: -1 on this months board report (was: Small but otherwise happy podlings)

2012-01-11 Thread ant elder
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:49 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 4:19 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: And here we return to a thread of some weeks ago. One chair can't review all those reports and push the bounce buttons. Some other people

Re: Improviing quarterly reports

2012-01-12 Thread ant elder
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 1:30 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 12:33 AM, Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com wrote: Joe Schaefer wrote: Let's stop discussing this issue in the abstract Good idea.  Lets be more specific, and put together something actionable.

Re: [VOTE] Clarify the role of the Champion as an incubation coordinator

2012-01-12 Thread ant elder
I'm +1 on this too. I think its the easiest way to get close to what Niclas was just suggesting of having only a single responsible mentor but avoids all the debates about changing the number mentors. ...ant On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 3:13 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: +1

Re: [1 IPMC VOTE NEEDED] [VOTE] Release Apache Rave 0.6-incubating

2012-01-13 Thread ant elder
I've had a look, the only issue i see is I don't think the NOTICE file in the binary distribution is correct as it has many things which i expect are not required. When we last discussed this on general@ we said this is not strictly a blocking problem, so +1 but i think you should do a complete

Re: [VOTE] - Relase Apache Clerezza 0.2-incubating (RC4)

2012-01-14 Thread ant elder
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Reto Bachmann-Gmür r...@apache.org wrote: Hi all, Clerezza 0.2 is ready for release.  This will be our first incubator release. We had a preliminary vote in the PPMC, which has been accepted, the +1 votes include the one from IPMC member Tommaso Teofili.

Re: Actively retiring projects

2012-01-15 Thread ant elder
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 1:36 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 12:37 AM, Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com wrote: Sam, My personal perspective is that incubation shouldn't generally take more than a year. The problem is with small communities.  What do you

Re: Actively retiring projects

2012-01-15 Thread ant elder
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: Now to go back and answer Ant's question directly, Sam, what you replied doesn't really answer my question directly. The issue with the long term poddlings which I know about is not that their reports are not read, they are

Re: Parking Projects [WAS Re: -1 on this months board report (was: Small but otherwise happy podlings)]

2012-01-15 Thread ant elder
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote: It is good that someone finally explained their opinion of a mentor's responsibility to the IPMC out in the open.  Let me disagree with you that mentors are not supposed to be put in the position of judging whether or

Re: Actively retiring projects

2012-01-16 Thread ant elder
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: Projects like PDFBox or River are living examples of how active mentoring can turn around the fortunes of a project. I'm sure the mentoring was ace but a large amount of why River turned around was down to its

Re: Actively retiring projects

2012-01-16 Thread ant elder
...@gmail.com To: general@incubator.apache.org; antel...@apache.org Cc: Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 1:09 PM Subject: Re: Actively retiring projects On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 6:01 PM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote:  On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote

Re: Actively retiring projects

2012-01-16 Thread ant elder
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 9:49 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 3:55 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 7:40 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: +1 Excessive snippage violation. Voting to terminate a

Re: Actively retiring projects

2012-01-16 Thread ant elder
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 8:43 AM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: Projects like PDFBox or River are living examples of how active mentoring can turn around the fortunes of a project. I'm sure the mentoring

Re: Actively retiring projects

2012-01-16 Thread ant elder
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 9:15 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: On 16 January 2012 09:05, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: ... ActiveMQ, Cassandra, CXF, Felix, Harmony Are people seriously suggesting that the ASF would be better off had we terminated those poddlings

Re: Actively retiring projects

2012-01-16 Thread ant elder
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 11:05 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 9:42 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: On 16 January 2012 09:31, Robert Burrell Donkin snip The right way to discipline Mentors is to remove them from the

Re: Kato status (Was: Actively retiring projects)

2012-01-16 Thread ant elder
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 12:37 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, There seems to be some people assuming that the IPMC wants to terminate the Kato podling. Looking back I wonder if my original status review was the source of this: On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Jukka

Re: [1 IPMC VOTE NEEDED] [VOTE] Release Apache Rave 0.6-incubating

2012-01-17 Thread ant elder
On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 10:20 PM, Ate Douma a...@douma.nu wrote: On 01/13/2012 09:53 AM, ant elder wrote: I've had a look, the only issue i see is I don't think the NOTICE file in the binary distribution is correct as it has many things which i expect are not required. When we last discussed

Re: [VOTE] - Relase Apache Clerezza 0.2-incubating (RC4)

2012-01-17 Thread ant elder
of the binary release doesn't match the one of the source release is intended. The source release is a distribution of many components, the binary release is a release of the launcher which contains most but not all the components. Cheers, Reto On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 10:00 AM, ant elder ant.el

Re: [Discuss] Clarify the role of the Champion as an incubation coordinator

2012-01-18 Thread ant elder
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 12:17 AM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 5:18 PM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 11:15 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote: I doubt writing some more documentation on some webpage about

Re: [VOTE] - Relase Apache Clerezza 0.2-incubating (RC4)

2012-01-18 Thread ant elder
that the some modules contain additional license and notice files. Cheers, Reto On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 11:10 AM, ant elder antel...@apache.org wrote: The issue is that ASF release artifacts should have in their root a LICENSE file which includes all the licensing details of the artifact

Re: Do we have an email alias to address all podling's PPMCs?

2012-01-19 Thread ant elder
I don't think so, and someone asked this a while back and didn't get an answer. As an alternative, you could send a [NOTICE] type email to general@ which all poddlings are supposed to be watching. Thats likely to get lost in the flood of other messages so what we could do is set up a new dev list

Re: Do we have an email alias to address all podling's PPMCs?

2012-01-19 Thread ant elder
/1/19 ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com I don't think so, and someone asked this a while back and didn't get an answer. As an alternative, you could send a [NOTICE] type email to general@ which all poddlings are supposed to be watching. Thats likely to get lost in the flood of other messages so

Re: Do we have an email alias to address all podling's PPMCs?

2012-01-19 Thread ant elder
On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: On 19 January 2012 08:48, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: We have p...@apache.org for project PMCs, is there an equivalent for podlings? As others have said there isn't once, but unlike others

Re: [VOTE] Chukwa 0.5.0 Release Candidate 3

2012-01-23 Thread ant elder
+1 Same comment on the NOTICE file as over here: http://apache.markmail.org/message/hlfebouyg3r5w27i ...ant On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 6:46 AM, Eric Yang eric...@gmail.com wrote: Still missing one IPMC vote.  Could someone help out? regards, Eric On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 12:06 PM, William

Re: [VOTE] - Relase Apache Clerezza 0.2-incubating (RC4)

2012-01-23 Thread ant elder
On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 4:38 PM, Reto Bachmann-Gmür m...@farewellutopia.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Reto Bachmann-Gmür r...@apache.org wrote: ...The reason the license files is not at the

Re: [VOTE] - Relase Apache Clerezza 0.2-incubating (RC4)

2012-01-23 Thread ant elder
On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 10:00 AM, Reto Bachmann-Gmür m...@farewellutopia.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 9:55 AM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 4:38 PM, Reto Bachmann-Gmür m...@farewellutopia.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz

Re: [VOTE] Release MRUnit version 0.8.0-incubating

2012-01-25 Thread ant elder
Looks good to me, +1 ...ant On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 8:04 PM, Patrick Hunt ph...@apache.org wrote: On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Brock Noland br...@cloudera.com wrote: Hi, On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 3:36 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote: OK, I switch my

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Lucene.Net 2.9.4g incubating

2012-01-27 Thread ant elder
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 1:29 PM, Stefan Bodewig bode...@apache.org wrote: On 2012-01-23, Prescott Nasser wrote: Lucene.Net 2.9.4g is ready for release. This is very similar to our release at the end of November, however we have used generics where appropriate to give it a better feel for

Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes

2012-01-31 Thread ant elder
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 5:18 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 1:06 AM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote: Any other rational opinions? I don't recall a case where a candidate was not elected because of an unnecessarily strict -1. All I'm

Re: Giving podlings enough time to report [Fwd: Incubator PMC/Board report for Feb 2012 ([ppmc])]

2012-02-02 Thread ant elder
On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: On Feb 2, 2012, at 5:58 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: On Feb 1, 2012, at 2:40 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: OK. With this and the script, I guess you would say that patches are welcome ;-) If someone would point me to the

Re: [VOTE] - Relase Apache Clerezza 0.2-incubating (RC5)

2012-02-02 Thread ant elder
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 1:51 PM, Reto Bachmann-Gmür r...@apache.org wrote: Hello, While the last release candidate found a lot of acceptance (3 binding +1 in the ppmc) it had to be withdrawn because of missing or incorrect NOTICE and license files. Also the source distribution contained the

Re: Mentors as the core of the IPMC

2012-02-03 Thread ant elder
On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote: One thing I would like to be bantered about: Long ago, it was customary to have a single mentor for a podling. Nowadays, the feelings are the more, the merrier. Has the above been an experiment which succeeded, failed or

Re: TL;DR

2012-02-04 Thread ant elder
On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 11:17 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: A number of people are asking for the incubator PMC to take a deep breath and allow room to digest and contemplate the various issues that have led to a bumper crop of email. These are complex questions, and even if

Re: It's all about the Mentor role

2012-02-05 Thread ant elder
On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 1:27 AM, Craig L Russell craig.russ...@oracle.com wrote: Pain point 1: Podlings have to beg for binding votes for new committers. If mentors are required to vote on new committers for their podlings, there are three binding votes and the subsequent incubator pmc vote is

Re: PMC chair vs. reorg proposals

2012-02-06 Thread ant elder
+1 on what Jukka said. ...ant On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Martin van den Bemt mll...@mvdb.net wrote: +1 Mvgr, Martin 2012/2/5 Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com: Hi, I find it unfortunate that the PMC chair nominations got turned into a debate about the future of the

Re: Licence headers in template files

2012-02-06 Thread ant elder
On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 2:16 PM, Ate Douma a...@douma.nu wrote: On 02/06/2012 02:44 PM, ant elder wrote: On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Franklin, Matthew B. mfrank...@mitre.org  wrote: I am sure you know this (especially since you first pointed me at this page), but the release FAQ [1

Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Release Apache Tashi 201202-incubating

2012-03-04 Thread ant elder
I had a look and it all looks good, +1. Sorry you had to wait so long for votes. ...ant On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Paul Fremantle pzf...@gmail.com wrote: Yes its fine to leave it open. Any other incubator PMC members willing to jump in? Paul On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Michael

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Hama 0.4-incubating RC7

2012-03-05 Thread ant elder
Looks ok to me, +1 ...ant On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 11:18 PM, Edward J. Yoon edwardy...@apache.org wrote: Hi all, This RC7 has passed the Hama PMC vote as follows (*, ** marks an PMC, IPMC vote) : +1 Thomas Jungblut * +1 Edward J. Yoon * +1 Tommaso Teofili ** +1 ChiaHung Lin * +1 Steve

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Tashi 201203-incubating

2012-03-08 Thread ant elder
Looks good to me, +1 ...ant On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 1:32 AM, Michael Stroucken mxs+apa...@cmu.edu wrote: Hi, The Tashi project is excited to ask the incubator for approval to make our second release. The vote passed the project PPMC as follows:- +1 (binding) * 3: Michael (PPMC), Richard

Re: [VOTE] Release jena-tdb-0.9.0-incubating (RC-5)

2012-03-08 Thread ant elder
+1 ...ant On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 10:19 PM, Andy Seaborne a...@apache.org wrote: The Jena PPMC has voted to release  Apache Jena TDB 0.9.0-incubating and we would now be grateful if members of IPMC would review and vote for this release. -- Main changes from RC-4: +

Re: Thoughts on Incubator board reports

2012-03-08 Thread ant elder
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 11:29 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: While there was no clear single message, the overall impression I got was that the board expects the Incubator PMC to provide better and more active oversight on podlings. And that seems understandable, however IMHO

Re: [VOTE] Graduate Apache Accumulo to TLP

2012-03-11 Thread ant elder
On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 3:20 AM, Billie J Rinaldi billie.j.rina...@ugov.gov wrote: On Thursday, March 8, 2012 11:27:54 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Billie J Rinaldi billie.j.rina...@ugov.gov wrote: ... RESOLVED, that the persons

Re: Accumulo graduation vote?

2012-03-11 Thread ant elder
On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 9:11 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: Folks, I'm a little puzzled by the lack of response here. No one's objecting, but not much of anyone's voting +1, either. The board meeting looms. Not that it would be the end of the world if it takes another

Re: [VOTE][IPMC] Graduate RAT as Apache Creadur Project

2012-03-12 Thread ant elder
+1 ...ant On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 7:42 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin rdon...@apache.org wrote: As recommended[1]:  * the Rat community has indicated that its readiness[2] to graduate as the Apache Creadur Project  * the proposed charter has been reviewed[3] The penultimate stage is this

Re: Question about downloading binaries

2012-04-03 Thread ant elder
On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 3:52 PM, Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com wrote: Our mentor(s) are pushing strongly for a source release (which contains the upstream patches), plus a lib release, which is to be overlaid on

Re: Question about downloading binaries

2012-04-03 Thread ant elder
On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 10:33 AM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 3:52 PM, Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com wrote

Re: Extraordinary OpenOffice security patch (Was: [Incubator Wiki] Update of April2012 by robweir)

2012-04-12 Thread ant elder
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 8:37 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: On 12 April 2012 07:48, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: ... Sorry, I can't remain mute, but I offended anyone, sorry, but this was wrongly done. I don't know a better way As one of the inner

Re: Extraordinary OpenOffice security patch (Was: [Incubator Wiki] Update of April2012 by robweir)

2012-04-12 Thread ant elder
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 9:36 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: On 12 April 2012 09:27, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: On 12 April 2012 08:59, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 8:37 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote

Re: Mentor cleanup

2012-05-03 Thread ant elder
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 1:02 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 12:47 AM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: With that background, here are my results for the first batch of six podlings (more to come over the next few days): Next five

Re: Mentor cleanup

2012-05-03 Thread ant elder
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 1:38 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 2:11 PM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: I'm still watching Nuvem and reading all the emails, there hasn't been anything recently that I've felt the need to jump in. OK, great

Re: Mentor cleanup

2012-05-03 Thread ant elder
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 2:46 PM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: Or just ask. Yes, that's fine as well. As Ross said, it's a bit easier for reviews like this one if the information is already out

Re: Wink status (Was: Shepherds for podling reports)

2012-05-10 Thread ant elder
like this was the latest word on the subject: On Feb 2, 2012, at 8:49 AM, ant elder wrote: ...talks had halted as one member has not agreed to proceed with graduation... thats a little harsh, I just questioned the level of activity and said it would be an easier decision if Wink was more

Re: [DISCUSS] Kato to the attic?

2012-06-13 Thread ant elder
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 2:34 AM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.comjavascript:; wrote: The three listed mentors don't have time to deal with this. I'm told that Joe volunteered to help out here. I'm one

Re: [DISCUSS] Kato to the attic?

2012-06-14 Thread ant elder
On 6/14/12, Gianugo Rabellino gian...@rabellino.it wrote: On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 12:14 AM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: Kato is not an ASF project (yet), so wouldn't it just be rm'd rather than moving to the Attic? Well, let's try to solve this once and for all. Sure, Kato is not a

Re: [DISCUSS] Kato to the attic?

2012-06-14 Thread ant elder
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 8:58 AM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 14, 2012 8:46 AM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: On 6/14/12, Gianugo Rabellino gian...@rabellino.it wrote: On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 12:14 AM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: Kato is not an ASF project (yet

Re: [VOTE] Retire Kato

2012-06-27 Thread ant elder
+1 Thanks Benson. ...ant On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 12:29 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: Based on the status of this podling as reported in the June board report, I propose that the IPMC retire the Kato podling. I'm not sure how long a vote for this should remain open.

Re: Board will be proposing a new TLP

2012-07-02 Thread ant elder
On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: Is there already a community in terms of a group of people who drive this forward and who are willing to continue? Or is this a

Re: [VOTE] Apache DirectMemory 0.1-incubating (take 2)

2012-07-07 Thread ant elder
I note the issues mention by Sebb but I'm giving this a +1. Both JQuery and bootstrap are included in the source release so they need to be mentioned in the LICENSE file and they are so thats correct. No one ever seems that sure about when and what to mention in the NOTICE file, those two are

Re: [VOTE] Approve Openmeetings (Incubating) release

2012-07-26 Thread ant elder
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 12:37 AM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: HI Alexei, It seems that you have sent various requests in advance of this one through channels other than general@. This is not appreciated by busy people who do read general@. Please have patience, the Incubator

Re: [VOTE] Release Droids 0.2.0-incubating (RC1)

2012-07-31 Thread ant elder
Looks good to me +1 ...ant On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 11:43 PM, Richard Frovarp rfrov...@apache.org wrote: On 07/23/2012 10:44 AM, Richard Frovarp wrote: On 07/09/2012 11:19 AM, Richard Frovarp wrote: A 0.2.0-incubating release candidate has been created. This will be the second release

Re: Shutting down

2012-08-01 Thread ant elder
Hi Benson, AFAIK all the IP clearance was done, Kato has also done a release which presumably wouldn't have been possible if the clearance wasn't complete. So all the source in SVN should be retained right? ..ant On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 12:04 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: Shutting down

2012-08-02 Thread ant elder
...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 7:15 AM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Benson, AFAIK all the IP clearance was done, Kato has also done a release which presumably wouldn't have been possible if the clearance wasn't complete. So all the source in SVN should be retained right? Ant

Re: [VOTE] Graduation of DirectMemory as a TLP

2012-08-02 Thread ant elder
+1 ...ant On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 11:22 PM, Tim Williams william...@gmail.com wrote: The DirectMemory community is ready to graduate and become a full TLP. We began incubation in October 2011 and have demonstrated our ability to function according to the Apache Way. We've successfully

Re: [VOTE] Apache Syncope 1.0.0-incubating

2012-08-06 Thread ant elder
I've had a quick look and it mostly looks fine to me except in the source distribution it contains jquery and codemirror .js files but i couldn't see any mention of their licenses anywhere. Sorry if i've just missed that but otherwise i think the src distro top level LICENSE file needs to be

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Bloodhound 0.1.0 (incubating)

2012-08-07 Thread ant elder
On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 12:07 AM, Gary Martin gary.mar...@wandisco.com wrote: Hi, I would like to request the beginning of the vote for the first release Apache Bloodhound in the incubator following the successful vote by the Bloodhound PPMC. Two of the four +1 PPMC votes were from the IPMC

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Bloodhound 0.1.0 (incubating)

2012-08-07 Thread ant elder
On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 9:51 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 3:44 PM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 11:38 AM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: Gosh i'm pretty sure we _don't_ allow things like (L)GPL dependencies

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Bloodhound 0.1.0 (incubating)

2012-08-08 Thread ant elder
On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 1:13 AM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 5:54 PM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 9:51 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: ... You can look at the archives back in 2006 when it was incubating. In particular

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Bloodhound 0.1.0 (incubating)

2012-08-08 Thread ant elder
On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Alexei Fedotov alexei.fedo...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, Let me add one more point on adding dependencies to source releases. In addition to license, the dependence contain copyright statements, e.g. # Copyright (C) 2005 Christopher Lenz cml...@gmx.de. As

Re: [VOTE] Retire Chukwa from incubation

2012-11-25 Thread ant elder
-1 In the vote on their dev list there wasn't unanimous support for retiring the project, that should be sorted out first before forcibly retiring them and while there are still people who want to give it a go to try to make it work. ...ant On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 11:00 PM, Alan Cabrera

Re: What constitute a successful project?

2012-11-26 Thread ant elder
Great to hear, one month seemed too short to accomplish so much. I'd be happy to volunteer as another mentor if some fresh eyes will help. ...ant On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 3:32 AM, Alan Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote: If we decide to give the podling another chance I would prefer to give

Re: [VOTE] Retire Chukwa from incubation

2012-11-27 Thread ant elder
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 10:49 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: If people who -1 the retirement agree to mentor Chukwa to give it another chance, like you seem to be ready to do, I have no

Re: [VOTE] Retire Chukwa from incubation

2012-11-27 Thread ant elder
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 11:48 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.comwrote: One interesting point about consensus decision-making process is the need to define the starting point. The process assumes that there is a clear 'status quo', and that a consensus is required to change it. This

Re: What constitute a successful project?

2012-11-27 Thread ant elder
Unless there are compelling reason to stop, i.e continuing breaches of basic ASF polices and principles, then where possible letting a poddling continue incubation or just graduate seems better to me than making them go elsewhere. Its not like a small slow problem is chewing up ASF resources, but

Re: Retirement decision making

2012-11-28 Thread ant elder
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.comwrote: I have only one point of discomfort with Ross' writing here. Ross's position, in this and other messages, seems to me to be that it a podling can persist indefinitely, so long as (a) it has involved mentors, and

Re: Retirement decision making

2012-11-28 Thread ant elder
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 3:24 PM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: ...Slow poddlings don't use much ASF resource so aren't a burden... I disagree: podlings do use mentor's energy - graduating or retiring

Re: Retirement decision making

2012-11-29 Thread ant elder
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 8:56 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: On Wednesday, November 28, 2012, Greg Reddin wrote: ...What difference does it make to the ASF if a project is very small or very slow?... IMO, as long as there's three or more active PMC members who react

Re: [VOTE] Release of EasyAnt 0.9-incubating

2013-02-18 Thread ant elder
I've already voted +1 for this on the easyant list but +1 again to bring the vote up again. Still need one more vote please anyone... ...ant On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 9:14 PM, Nicolas Lalevée nicolas.lale...@hibnet.org wrote: This is a call for a vote of the release of EasyAnt

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