Re: License change for new year ?

2002-01-09 Thread Peter Donald
On Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:55, Vincent Massol wrote: 1/ Now that we are in 2002, do we need to change the text in all our license files to be : Copyright (c) 1999-2002 The Apache Software Foundation instead of Copyright (c) 1999-2001 The Apache Software Foundation ? should change it to include

Mission ...

2002-01-09 Thread Danny Angus
If Jakarta != java and/or Jakarta != server, (which appeared on this list a few days ago, but I cant find the original mail) then the mission statement is at odds with the project, which must at best create bad karma and at worst it broadcasts a misleading message about the project to the whole

Re: Mission ...

2002-01-09 Thread Ted Husted
Danny Angus wrote: If Jakarta != java and/or Jakarta != server, (which appeared on this list a few days ago, but I cant find the original mail) then the mission statement is at odds with the project, which must at best create bad karma and at worst it broadcasts a misleading message about the

Re: Mission ...

2002-01-09 Thread Sam Ruby
Ted Husted wrote: Danny Angus wrote: If Jakarta != java and/or Jakarta != server, (which appeared on this list a few days ago, but I cant find the original mail) then the mission statement is at odds with the project, which must at best create bad karma and at worst it broadcasts a misleading

Re: License change for new year ?

2002-01-09 Thread Ted Husted
I think on a continuing basis, Committers should update the copyright notice to include the current year whenever they update a source file. This will happen most often in the early part of a year, but should happen year-round. So, as Peter said, if you revise a source file from 1999, you should

Re: License change for new year ?

2002-01-09 Thread Sam Ruby
Ted Husted wrote: I think on a continuing basis, Committers should update the copyright notice to include the current year whenever they update a source file. This will happen most often in the early part of a year, but should happen year-round. So, as Peter said, if you revise a source file

Re: Code conventions

2002-01-09 Thread Craig R. McClanahan
On 9 Jan 2002, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: Date: 09 Jan 2002 00:07:00 -0500 From: Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Jakarta General List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: general at jakarta [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Code conventions It's only two little lines extra to include the {}'s,

Re: [PATCH] jakarta-site2/xdocs/site/mail.xml

2002-01-09 Thread Jon Scott Stevens
on 1/9/02 4:27 AM, Ceki Gulcu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, Here is a patch jakarta-site2/xdocs/site/mail.xml, the source for the http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail.html page. The patch contains a few corrections, a sligt re-organisation and some stylistic changes. I think it

Re: License change for new year ?

2002-01-09 Thread Jon Scott Stevens
on 1/9/02 6:49 AM, Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ted Husted wrote: I think on a continuing basis, Committers should update the copyright notice to include the current year whenever they update a source file. This will happen most often in the early part of a year, but should happen

Re: License change for new year ?

2002-01-09 Thread Ted Husted
Yes, it's on my list. Jon Scott Stevens wrote: on 1/9/02 6:49 AM, Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ted Husted wrote: I think on a continuing basis, Committers should update the copyright notice to include the current year whenever they update a source file. This will happen most

Re: [PATCH] jakarta-site2/xdocs/site/mail.xml

2002-01-09 Thread Ceki Gulcu
Done. I hope the actual patch contains less typos than my previous mail describing the patch. :-) --- Jon Scott Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 1/9/02 4:27 AM, Ceki Gulcu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, Here is a patch jakarta-site2/xdocs/site/mail.xml, the source for the

Re: Code conventions

2002-01-09 Thread Carlos Alonso Vega
Tim Vernum wrote: It's only two little lines extra to include the {}'s, Yeah, but those two lines will make my code run slower. Don't you know? The less space your source code takes, the less space your class file will take. And smaller classes run faster. Well, I could be wrong,

RE: Code conventions

2002-01-09 Thread Paulo Gaspar
LOL! Are you taking these guys seriously? =;o) Have fun, Paulo -Original Message- From: Carlos Alonso Vega [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 8:31 PM To: Jakarta General List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Code conventions Tim Vernum wrote:

Re: Code conventions

2002-01-09 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
snip/ :) Someone told me if you use a really small font like courier 6pt then you don't even need an optimizing compiler. Thanks to this conversation, I finally did think of a good reason to use braces on a separate line (which I detest, but that's just me) -- if +1 your manager judges

Re: Code conventions

2002-01-09 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Tim Vernum wrote: It's only two little lines extra to include the {}'s, Yeah, but those two lines will make my code run slower. Don't you know? The less space your source code takes, the less space your class file will take. And smaller classes run faster. Well, I could be

Re: Code conventions

2002-01-09 Thread Kurt Schrader
On Wednesday, January 9, 2002, at 03:34 PM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: What about if you set the font size really small? LOL -Andy Perhaps Microsoft just has their font size set really big. :) -Kurt -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail:

Re: Code conventions

2002-01-09 Thread Armin Zeltner
Hi folks, what about micro-printed on-screen code, watched through glasses? faster? or slower? JAVA is a myst Kurt Schrader wrote: On Wednesday, January 9, 2002, at 03:34 PM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: What about if you set the font size really small? LOL -Andy Perhaps Microsoft

RE: [OT] Code conventions

2002-01-09 Thread Paulo Gaspar
What about at leat a clue ([OT]) that this is completely out of topic? =;o) (Yeah! I should have done this before myself.) Have fun, Paulo -Original Message- From: Armin Zeltner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 11:31 PM To: Jakarta General List Subject:

Re: Mission ...

2002-01-09 Thread Ted Husted
SHORT TERM PLAN There's a proposed update to the mission page at http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mission2.html It uses the language from our latest charter, http://jakarta.apache.org/site/pmc/01-03-19-meeting-summary.html at 2.1 and also adds information about the Apache Software

Re: Mission ...

2002-01-09 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On 1/9/02 7:42 AM, Ted Husted [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Danny Angus wrote: If Jakarta != java and/or Jakarta != server, (which appeared on this list a few days ago, but I cant find the original mail) then the mission statement is at odds with the project, which must at best create bad karma

Re: License change for new year ?

2002-01-09 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On 1/9/02 12:53 PM, Jon Scott Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 1/9/02 6:49 AM, Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ted Husted wrote: I think on a continuing basis, Committers should update the copyright notice to include the current year whenever they update a source file. This will

Re: License change for new year ?

2002-01-09 Thread Peter Donald
On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:24, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Here's a quick question - what makes that a rule? Ted putting it into a file? It is a legal requirement for the license to be valid. I don't disagree with the suggestion - I mean, we need to do it - I am just asking what makes it a rule

Re: License change for new year ?

2002-01-09 Thread Ceki Gülcü
Geir, I think the rule is so obvious once stated that no one is likely to disagree with it. In a perfect world, we would vote on such a rule in order to adopt it formally. However, we don't live in a perfect world with unlimited resources and the Jakarta tradition of lazy approval seems to

Re: License change for new year ?

2002-01-09 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On 1/9/02 8:30 PM, Peter Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:24, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Here's a quick question - what makes that a rule? Ted putting it into a file? It is a legal requirement for the license to be valid. Of course. What I am asking is what makes

Re: License change for new year ?

2002-01-09 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On 1/9/02 8:38 PM, Ceki Gülcü [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Geir, I think the rule is so obvious once stated that no one is likely to disagree with it. In a perfect world, we would vote on such a rule in order to adopt it formally. However, we don't live in a perfect world with unlimited

Re: Mission ...

2002-01-09 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Personally, While I don't have strong feeling about this, and a Mission statement is what it is... I don't know that commercial-quality is a positive thing these days. Alternatively, I'd say high-quality. Its a stupid distinction I know but I've used some duds that were supposedly

Re: License change for new year ?

2002-01-09 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Pete, Just a question. Maybe I missed this in the discussions. Every once and a while the short license versus big license discussion goes through here. Meaning the source code for some projects whether correctly or incorrectly be convention uses a statement and short reference to the license

Re: More abuse of coding styles...

2002-01-09 Thread Daniel Rall
Craig R. McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, 4 Jan 2002, Erik Hatcher wrote: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 19:27:52 -0500 From: Erik Hatcher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Jakarta General List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jakarta General List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: More abuse of coding

RE: Mission ...

2002-01-09 Thread Paulo Gaspar
Production quality sounds MUCH better to me! Have fun, Paulo Gaspar -Original Message- From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 3:31 AM To: general at jakarta Subject: Re: Mission ... Personally, While I don't have strong feeling

Re: More abuse of coding styles...

2002-01-09 Thread Daniel Rall
Ceki Gülcü [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: People who repeatedly forget to type this represent a minority and should perhaps look to exercise a different profession. Agreed. The problem with public void setSomething(Object something){ this.something = something; } is public void

Re: License change for new year ?

2002-01-09 Thread Ceki Gülcü
I am not a lawyer and the following is yet another one of my heretical POVs. Legally speaking the copyright notice is not even required in each source file as long as the whole work can be unequivocally attributed to their rightful owners through other means. Example 1) In my home I don't

Re: License change for new year ?

2002-01-09 Thread Peter Donald
On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:45, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: On 1/9/02 8:30 PM, Peter Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:24, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Here's a quick question - what makes that a rule? Ted putting it into a file? It is a legal requirement for the license to

Re: License change for new year ?

2002-01-09 Thread Peter Donald
On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:36, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: Just a question. Maybe I missed this in the discussions. Every once and a while the short license versus big license discussion goes through here. Meaning the source code for some projects whether correctly or incorrectly be convention

Re: More abuse of coding styles...

2002-01-09 Thread Micael Padraig Og mac Grene
At 07:07 PM 1/9/02 -0800, you wrote: Ceki Gülcü [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: People who repeatedly forget to type this represent a minority and should perhaps look to exercise a different profession. Agreed. The problem with public void setSomething(Object something){ this.something