That leaves me perplexed for several reasons...
First, it's the first time I see a commiter rejected - without any
reference to the quality and importance of his contribution, but some
new member's standard we don't know about. Dan put the SSI system in a
decent shape, that's similar with the
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That leaves me perplexed for several reasons...
First, it's the first time I see a commiter rejected - without any
reference to the quality and importance of his contribution, but some
new member's standard we don't know about. Dan put the SSI
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http://www.softwarereality.com/programming/ejb/EJB_101Damnations.pdf
Daniel Rall wrote:
Aaron Smuts [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
So, I'm driven to a bit of exaggeration and overstatement at times
especially when criticizing
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On Fri, 24 May 2002, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
Personally, I feel this discussion belongs solely on the tomcat list and
is up to the committers of Tomcat to resolve. If the Tomcat community
feels the bar should be raised, let them raise it. If
On Fri, 24 May 2002, Pier Fumagalli wrote:
It is of general interest (IMO) because becoming a committer entitles you
not only to a little peaceful heaven in your own little project, but
entitles you (and, frankly, obliges you) to be a part of the Jakarta
Community at large. You will be given
Leo Simons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I believe we deserve some explanation from the 'members', I'm
quite unhappy about this whole issue. If there are some new
quantitative standards for becoming a commiter ( or a member )
we should know about.
The ASF members didn't impose any standard.
What I said was but I believe that this group (as noted on the members
meeting this Tuesday) is giving away committer privileges a little bit too
easily... I don't think that sound like this is a resolution passed by
members or this is a guideline given at that meeting...
To me it sounds like
I'm sorry, but I believe that any time a new committer is made,
we _need_ to
put some thought in what we're giving away, we're not just letting a guy
commit to our CVS server...
+1
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On Fri, 24 May 2002, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
And at large, it entitles you to have an @apache.org email address, to have
access to our live servers, entitles you to be a part of the whole Apache
family...
you're point being?
I think that the point is that when you gain an @apache.org
Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What I said was but I believe that this group (as noted on the members
meeting this Tuesday) is giving away committer privileges a little bit too
easily... I don't think that sound like this is a resolution passed by
members or this is a guideline
That's what I did... I posted my -1 over there, detailed why, and I'm
waiting for someone to write me back something about it... So far, nothing
worth making me change my vote (meaning, nothing more than what was already
there).
So that means its vetoed...what's your beef?
No, my vote is
Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That's what I did... I posted my -1 over there, detailed why, and I'm
waiting for someone to write me back something about it... So far, nothing
worth making me change my vote (meaning, nothing more than what was already
there).
So that means its
Just one question, have you ever voted -1 on a committer? (and not just to
you, but to every committer on this list).
I've abstained, informally (off-list, that is) from voting, once. The
guy in question had been active in a part of our project but I hadn't
been following on that at all, so I
Andy, not everyone grew up in Texas! :) I don't eat beef anymore (you know
mad-cow disease and smallpox in the UK)
Dern Europeans ain' speaking proper 'merican. Anyhow, just wait around
and you'll catch me speaking Spanish too.
I do not think the PMC should intervene just because
Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Andy, not everyone grew up in Texas! :) I don't eat beef anymore (you know
mad-cow disease and smallpox in the UK)
Dern Europeans ain' speaking proper 'merican. Anyhow, just wait around
and you'll catch me speaking Spanish too.
No estas problema,
On Fri, 24 May 2002, Pier Fumagalli wrote:
Right but it should be up to ya'll tomcatters to work out your standards
amonst yerselves. Thats my only issue.
Nope, because if I vote a committer in, I give him access to the Tomcat CVS
repo, but I also entitle him to vote for the friggin'
Costin Manolache wrote:
If one quarter of the new commiters make 1/2 the contributions that
people
like Sam Ruby did - I'm quite happy.
As Mark Twain once said The rumors of my demise have been greatly
exaggerated.
- Sam Ruby
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On 5/24/02 5:28 PM, Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Costin Manolache wrote:
If one quarter of the new commiters make 1/2 the contributions that
people
like Sam Ruby did - I'm quite happy.
As Mark Twain once said The rumors of my demise have been greatly
exaggerated.
But he only said
On Fri, 24 May 2002, Sam Ruby wrote:
Costin Manolache wrote:
If one quarter of the new commiters make 1/2 the contributions that
people
like Sam Ruby did - I'm quite happy.
As Mark Twain once said The rumors of my demise have been greatly
exaggerated.
Sorry for picking your name as
Costin Manolache wrote:
If one quarter of the new commiters make 1/2 the contributions that people
like Sam Ruby did - I'm quite happy.
As Mark Twain once said The rumors of my demise have been greatly
exaggerated.
Sorry for picking your name as an example tomcat commiter - you are
just
* Perhaps a more fruitful topic for us to explore is when to retire
committer status due to inactivity. Pier is one of the few to do this
explicitly. I have done it a bit more implicitly - including submitting
patches to projects that I am officially a committer to.
yes. I recommend
On Fri, 24 May 2002, Sam Ruby wrote:
You hadn't qualified your statement to Tomcat, and I was just teasing about
your use of past tense. ;-)
All those foreigners who can't learn the proper English grammar and
spelling :-)
* Deciding when to convert a developer into a commiter is a balance
BTW, one idea ( not mine ) would be to have a separate and private list
for each project with _only_ the comitters.
The proposals for new commiters should be done on that list, not on the
public list.
I don't know what Dan feels about this whole topic, but I wouldn't
take it very well.
Chatted with a lot of people, seen many, different development models, went
around, asked, talked, and I believe I have a pretty decent picture, and
maybe even a solution...
So the major topic of discussion is that I perceive a substantial difference
between being able to commit code to a CVS
FYI! :)
Pier
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Subject: http://jakarta.apache.org/site/cvsindex.html
Don't know which list to send this to, but I figured you guys were
probably as appropriate an
At 18:31 24.05.2002 -0400, Sam Ruby wrote:
* Perhaps a more fruitful topic for us to explore is when to retire
committer status due to inactivity. Pier is one of the few to do this
explicitly. I have done it a bit more implicitly - including submitting
patches to projects that I am officially
Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Overall, my feelings on the subject are:
* Deciding when to convert a developer into a commiter is a balance that
each project/subproject will need to determine for itself.
My feeling as well... The subject of my discussion was to get somewhere
else, but
Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
* Perhaps a more fruitful topic for us to explore is when to retire
committer status due to inactivity. Pier is one of the few to do this
explicitly. I have done it a bit more implicitly - including submitting
patches to projects that I am
The site docs say it can happen after 6 months of inactivity. Though I
can't seem to find the location atm. My question is how does it happen?
john mcnally
On Fri, 2002-05-24 at 16:39, Pier Fumagalli wrote:
Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
* Perhaps a more fruitful topic for
On Fri, 2002-05-24 at 17:06, John McNally wrote:
The site docs say it can happen after 6 months of inactivity. Though I
can't seem to find the location atm.
http://jakarta.apache.org/site/roles.html
My question is how does it happen?
john mcnally
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On Fri, 2002-05-24 at 20:18, John McNally wrote:
On Fri, 2002-05-24 at 17:06, John McNally wrote:
The site docs say it can happen after 6 months of inactivity. Though I
can't seem to find the location atm.
http://jakarta.apache.org/site/roles.html
My
+1.
Another example if I could. The job role of 'Java admin' is growing more
and more at companies. Developers shouldn't be adminning things, but would
you have your unix or oracle admin be the admin of the Java side with zero
Java knowledge?
Jakarta houses the 'Java' community at Apache but
-1, its not broken, it worked. I see little reason to fix it.
On Fri, 2002-05-24 at 21:11, Henri Yandell wrote:
+1.
Another example if I could. The job role of 'Java admin' is growing more
and more at companies. Developers shouldn't be adminning things, but would
you have your unix or
-1
If someone doesn't want to be involved in the voting - he can do exaclty
that, abstain. If someone doesn't want to support a particular release -
he can abstain from the release vote( or vote +-0 ).
If you spend time and write code for a project and are willing to
maintain/support - and if
Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
+1.
Another example if I could. The job role of 'Java admin' is growing more
and more at companies. Developers shouldn't be adminning things, but would
you have your unix or oracle admin be the admin of the Java side with zero
Java knowledge?
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I do agree ( and I advocated for this a lot ) on lowering ( or
eliminating) the walls between projects, so jakarta commiters can commit
code in any jakarta project ( subject to the normal project rules ).
Some people didn't agree with that even for
http://www.libertyforall.net/2002/archive/do-ocracy.html
- Sam Ruby
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On Sat, 25 May 2002, Pier Fumagalli wrote:
If you are a commiter - you have the same rights with all other commiters.
If you don't want to exercise some rights - it's your choice.
Hola, you tend to forget a part I'm stressing out quite hardly... It's not
only rights... It's also dues,
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
If you are a commiter - you have the same rights with all
other commiters.
If you don't want to exercise some rights - it's your choice.
But it's not just about exercising rights, it's also about
granting rights.
At the moment, you
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