Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
on 1/10/02 1:16 AM, GOMEZ Henri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
LOL!
Are you taking these guys seriously?
=;o)
No, since Jon didn't participate
to the thread ;)
I heard that if you shorten the names of your variables and methods down to
single letters, the
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
on 1/10/02 1:16 AM, GOMEZ Henri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
LOL!
Are you taking these guys seriously?
=;o)
No, since Jon didn't participate
to the thread ;)
I heard that if you shorten the names of your variables and
LOL!
Are you taking these guys seriously?
=;o)
No, since Jon didn't participate
to the thread ;)
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on 1/10/02 1:16 AM, GOMEZ Henri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
LOL!
Are you taking these guys seriously?
=;o)
No, since Jon didn't participate
to the thread ;)
I heard that if you shorten the names of your variables and methods down to
single letters, the execution speed increases by a factor
On 9 Jan 2002, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
Date: 09 Jan 2002 00:07:00 -0500
From: Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Jakarta General List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: general at jakarta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Code conventions
It's only two little lines extra to include the {}'s
Tim Vernum wrote:
It's only two little lines extra to include the {}'s,
Yeah, but those two lines will make my code run slower.
Don't you know?
The less space your source code takes, the less space
your class file will take.
And smaller classes run faster.
Well, I could be wrong,
LOL!
Are you taking these guys seriously?
=;o)
Have fun,
Paulo
-Original Message-
From: Carlos Alonso Vega [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 8:31 PM
To: Jakarta General List; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Code conventions
Tim Vernum wrote
snip/
:)
Someone told me if you use a really small font like courier 6pt then
you don't even need an optimizing compiler.
Thanks to this conversation, I finally did think of a good reason to
use
braces on a separate line (which I detest, but that's just me) -- if
+1
your
manager judges
Tim Vernum wrote:
It's only two little lines extra to include the {}'s,
Yeah, but those two lines will make my code run slower.
Don't you know?
The less space your source code takes, the less space
your class file will take.
And smaller classes run faster.
Well, I could be
On Wednesday, January 9, 2002, at 03:34 PM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
What about if you set the font size really small? LOL
-Andy
Perhaps Microsoft just has their font size set really big. :)
-Kurt
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Hi folks,
what about micro-printed on-screen code, watched through glasses?
faster? or slower?
JAVA is a myst
Kurt Schrader wrote:
On Wednesday, January 9, 2002, at 03:34 PM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
What about if you set the font size really small? LOL
-Andy
Perhaps Microsoft
It's only two little lines extra to include the {}'s,
Yeah, but those two lines will make my code run slower.
Don't you know?
The less space your source code takes, the less space
your class file will take.
And smaller classes run faster.
It must be true - 90% of people I've worked with
-Original Message-
From: Tim Vernum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 5:12 PM
To: 'Jakarta General List'
Subject: RE: Code conventions
It's only two little lines extra to include the {}'s,
Yeah, but those two lines will make my code run slower
On 1/8/02 8:53 AM, Endre Stølsvik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 4 Jan 2002, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
| My question is what are the consequences to forcing me to do #2 when #1 is
| perfectly acceptable throughout the professional world?
That syntax is so bleedin' ugly that I would
On 1/8/02 6:12 PM, Tim Vernum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's only two little lines extra to include the {}'s,
Yeah, but those two lines will make my code run slower.
Don't you know?
The less space your source code takes, the less space
your class file will take.
And smaller classes
It's only two little lines extra to include the {}'s,
Yeah, but those two lines will make my code run slower.
Don't you know?
The less space your source code takes, the less space
your class file will take.
And smaller classes run faster.
It must be true - 90% of people I've worked
* Paulo Gaspar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
|
| It could even happen in the USA and it is quite dangerous to think
| otherwise (because then you are not alert).
Well, I would argue that it is happening in the US now with the new
military courts.
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On Wed, 02 Jan 2002 06:03:43 -0800, Sam Ruby wrote:
Let's all take a moment to review:
http://www.godwinslaw.com/
Amusing but not very pertinent to the discussion. No one exchanged
accusations of Nazism. Although I recognize that your goal was
probably to diffuse the tension.
As things
On 1/4/02 6:43 AM, Ceki Gülcü [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 02 Jan 2002 06:03:43 -0800, Sam Ruby wrote:
If some particular codebase under the Jakarta umbrella consistently
chose to take actions which were inconsistent with the Apache mission,
then I'm confident that the PMC would
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
For those of us (like me) that don¹t get it, can we do a quick review why
deviation from the One True But Sometimes Really Ugly Coding Standard as
defined by Sun Microsystems is such a threat to the ongoing health of
Jakarta? And if the above isn't really the
On 1/4/02 7:23 AM, Ceki Gülcü [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 06:46 04.01.2002 -0500, you wrote:
On 1/4/02 6:04 AM, Ceki Gülcü [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jakarta does not have a benevolent dictator where the puck stops.
Recognizing this fact, we either:
[SNIP]
3) Keeps things as
At 06:57 04.01.2002 -0500, you wrote:
On 1/4/02 6:43 AM, Ceki Gülcü [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 02 Jan 2002 06:03:43 -0800, Sam Ruby wrote:
If some particular codebase under the Jakarta umbrella consistently
chose to take actions which were inconsistent with the Apache mission,
On 1/4/02 7:56 AM, Ceki Gülcü [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 06:57 04.01.2002 -0500, you wrote:
On 1/4/02 6:43 AM, Ceki Gülcü [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 02 Jan 2002 06:03:43 -0800, Sam Ruby wrote:
If some particular codebase under the Jakarta umbrella consistently
chose to take
On Fri, 4 Jan 2002 23:07, Ted Husted wrote:
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
For those of us (like me) that dont get it, can we do a quick review why
deviation from the One True But Sometimes Really Ugly Coding Standard as
defined by Sun Microsystems is such a threat to the ongoing health of
On Fri, 4 Jan 2002 22:04, Ceki Gülcü wrote:
1) Elect a PMC with real power, power to intervene and take painful
decisions, until the next elections.
-1 power would be abused and misused. If power is what you want you are not
going to get it by donning a skippy badge but earning it through
Peter Donald wrote:
Thats nice for some codebases but not appropriate for all. For instance the
Ant codebase has got to have at least 10-15 different styles (probably way
way way more) because 70% of code is not written by the committers but by
members of community who have their own
At 08:01 04.01.2002 -0500, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
The debate about code conventions is just an excuse to ask the
following question, and it is a question:
Do we want to instate rules for the good of the larger community?
I think yes, but the prepositional phrase for the good of the
At 00:55 05.01.2002 +1100, you wrote:
On Fri, 4 Jan 2002 22:04, Ceki Gülcü wrote:
1) Elect a PMC with real power, power to intervene and take painful
decisions, until the next elections.
-1 power would be abused and misused. If power is what you want you are not
going to get it by donning a
At 00:57 05.01.2002 +1100, you wrote:
On Fri, 4 Jan 2002 23:23, Ceki Gülcü wrote:
The threat is to Jakarta's *nature* and it comes from our indecisiveness.
Real problems I see is
1) lack of focus,
Dont see this as a problem. Each project is usually focused on its dowmain
and the overall
Aside : does Sun use deviation from coding standards as an actionable HR
issue? ;)
On your resume, I see that you were terminated for cause at Sun?
Yes, I created too many classes with the opening brace on a separate
line...
I don't know about sun, but we would certainly warn employees
Ceci wrote:
The inability of the PMC to take initiative stems from the Apache
voting process
snip
The current system snip is inappropriate for managing large projects
like
Jakarta.
snip
I agree with this, I've only been a commiter since the end of last summer,
and have been surprised
At 10:32 04.01.2002 -0500, you wrote:
For reasons that are unknown to me, none of the e-mail that I have sent
over the last few days has made it out to the mailing lists. For all I
know, at some point in the distant future, it will all be unleashed and
make little sense out of context. :-(
Hi,
skip/
Any democratic system is imperfect and hence flawed. Hitler was elected
democratically although he soon moved to dismantle the system that
brought him to power. D'oh, that damn Godwin's Law!
Nein ;), Hitler and his NSDAP gets only ~30%. He became Reichskanzler
because the other so
Gerhard,
Is it fair and accurate to say that he came to power
within the bounds and rules of a democratic system?
At 17:58 04.01.2002 +0100, you wrote:
Hi,
skip/
Any democratic system is imperfect and hence flawed. Hitler was elected
democratically although he soon moved to dismantle the
In the process Hitler and his gang played a surprisingly high number of
dirty tricks. Surprising at least for a non German, since we only get
an overview of the WW2 history.
Since I work in Germany I have the benefit of the many documentaries
about the Nazi era played on TV (history is not
I am sure Gerhard can give a better answer, but IMHO he abused a lot
the system.
The truth is that it can happen anywhere if people are not very alert
and ready to fight for their rights.
It could even happen in the USA and it is quite dangerous to think
otherwise (because then you are not
Hi,
Gerhard,
Is it fair and accurate to say that he came to power
within the bounds and rules of a democratic system?
Yes and it should remind us, that the democratic system
is very imperfect! Even in the USA. A powerful President
with deep influence can slowly become more and more powerful
Peter Donald wrote:
So I +1 on suggesting standards for external parts of project, -1 for forcing
it
uh, I jumped in the middle of a where to place the curly brace code
format pissing contest, how cool.
For those of you who weren't around, we had the first resolution of this
(what later
On Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:24, Sam Ruby wrote:
Let's all take a moment to review:
http://www.godwinslaw.com/
If some particular codebase under the Jakarta umbrella consistently chose
to take actions which were inconsistent with the Apache mission, then I'm
confident that the PMC would
On Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:34, Conor MacNeill wrote:
Ted Husted wrote:
Peter, I hope you and yours are well. The Australian Black Christmas
is all over the morning news here.
The smoke is pretty thick here right now even in the city suburbs.
Having all your windows shut up when the outside
On Wed, 2 Jan 2002 08:58, Ceki Gulcu wrote:
At 07:39 02.01.2002 +1100, Peter Donald wrote:
Hi,
This is not something that should have been brought up on the PMC list -
it should be discussed on general.
Peter I do not need your permission to bring up a subject on the PMC
list.
Its not
At 19:23 02.01.2002 +1100, you wrote:
On Wed, 2 Jan 2002 08:58, Ceki Gulcu wrote:
At 07:39 02.01.2002 +1100, Peter Donald wrote:
Hi,
This is not something that should have been brought up on the PMC list -
it should be discussed on general.
Peter I do not need your permission to bring up
Guys,
Let's just clarify that any proposals, even proposals to make proposals,
should go to General. The private PMC business should be reserved for
extremely sensitive matters, usually involving site security.
If we mis-post something to a private list, we should give the original
poster a
Ted Husted wrote:
Peter, I hope you and yours are well. The Australian Black Christmas
is all over the morning news here.
The smoke is pretty thick here right now even in the city suburbs.
Having all your windows shut up when the outside temperature is in the
mid thirties isn't fun.
Let's all take a moment to review:
http://www.godwinslaw.com/
If some particular codebase under the Jakarta umbrella consistently chose
to take actions which were inconsistent with the Apache mission, then I'm
confident that the PMC would swiftly act to disolve this code base. I am
not
At 07:39 02.01.2002 +1100, Peter Donald wrote:
Hi,
This is not something that should have been brought up on the PMC list - it
should be discussed on general.
Peter I do not need your permission to bring up a subject on the PMC
list. It was uncourteous of you to forward my message to the
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