infrastructure at apache.org
There was talk about IP addresses changing, this could have the effect you describe,
whereby ssh is not associating the key with the host it is registered for.
-Original Message-
From: Ben Walding [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 21 February 2003 09:29
Sorry, my mistake - I was thinking about all vote results in general,
i.e. whatever gets voted on various parts of jakarta.
The problem is that even on the projects that I track, it is sometimes
difficult to figure out what was the vote result - after the vote text
changes few times and
Andy,
This is pretty offensive stuff, I don't believe that it is right for you to express
these views here, they can only harm reputations, personal and community, and create
tension.
If you're bitter enough about this to fight with these people go do it, but please
don't drag us all down to
Why create something in official Java APIs/Products when
there is allready a good OSS alternative.
To standardise it. Why is OSS any different?
Exactly! So why bother standardizing it via Sun. If there is a
ubiquitous Apache standard already, then there is NO need for a Sun
jaaron wrote:
To have a true run-time jar dependency solution you would need a
standard installation and launch mechanism. I suppose something based
on JNLP (WebStart) plus some sort of ports or emerge system could do
this, but I don't think it exists yet. Interesting idea though.
I'll
Patenting file formats might be disturbing, and I'm not an
expert, but I don't see how it would stop someone from reverse
engineering a
reader or a writer of that format.
I think it more likely that a file format patent *is* actually a patent on readers and
writers.
Santiago Gala wrote:
Again IMO, any automated solution should not intrude into the ability of
the sysadmin to control what is in her machine.
Microsoft has always handled this problem in the wrong way ,assuming
that an automated installer knows better than the system administrator
and
Although I've got karma I thought I should get some kind of opinion..
This patch moves ANT, AVALON and JAMES links from the sub-projects into a new menu
section promoted.
Should I apply this, or just remove James and Avalon (ant is already gone), or do
nothing, or do something different?
d.
This time I'll actually send the DIFF ..
cvs diff -u project.xml
Index: project.xml
===
RCS file: /home/cvs/jakarta-site2/xdocs/stylesheets/project.xml,v
retrieving revision 1.37
diff -u -r1.37 project.xml
--- project.xml 10 Feb
I had difficulties in finding a name, so I decided to just remove Ant
(and add the new Former SubProjects section on the main site). OJB
is also gone.
I didn't notice that before I submitted the patch, I guess I'll just remove James then.
d.
In response to everyones feedback* I took another look at what I thought would have
been a simple small change..
I ended up moving everything around in the menus and on the home page, as patches
probably wouldn't do it justice I've stuck a copy of the resulting html here
FYI theres been a lot of talk recently about eybrowse, it has been not working for
several lists, not just Tapestry. Theres also been some discussion about tracking
infrastructure issues. Needless to say there are two points of view as usual. :-\
d.
Subject: RE: Eyebrowse problem?
I'll
Jon,
you wrote:
Luckily, eyebrowse is also open source. =)
Thanks for volunteering!
I guess you are being, at least in part, facetious. If not I think that you've
misunderstood my point.
Eyebrowse is OK, it is only suffering from issues regarding its administration.
It is the ability
Tomcat users
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From: Deliens Christophe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 25 March 2003 10:53
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: Where to post mod_jk2 question?
Hello,
I would like to know on what mailing list should I post questions
regarding
the Jakarta
Dion,
I looked, and when I found it it was as easy to do as to explain, so I did it..
It's in turbine/.htaccess
I removed the index.html from the end of the redirect destination so now links
redirect correctly, eg:
http://jakarta.apache.org/turbine/maven/features.html
becomes
httpd was upgraded on mar/25, dunno if that might be it.
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-Original Message-
From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 01 April 2003 21:03
To: Jakarta General List; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Proposal] SuperXMailer
Hi All,
I'm pleased to finally propose the SuperXMailer for Jakarta via the
We should not 'stimulate' developers to work along
SDLC, just fire them if they don't.
Why don't we just outsource the whole thing? then we don't need to really manage the
project but we can *still* fire them if they don't give us what we want, whether its
reasonable or not.
Better yet why
There has been a spate of this, and it has provoked debate about admin resposibilities.
I've fw'd your message to infrastructure.
d.
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From: John Winstanley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 04 April 2003 13:00
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: No mails after 19th March
By the time you see:
Mailing the commit message...
cvs has done the important thing, any problems after that are 99% likely to be with
the mail system.
d.
My own opinion is that the home page should be kept small, and we should use links to
direct people to other pages with further information on them. Call me old fasioned
but I thought this was the point of HTML,
I dont want to have everything in one big page that no-one will scroll right down.
Andy wrote:
I'd like to propose that Howard Lewis Ship be given jakarta-site
access and
I hereby nominate him for the Jakarta PMC.
+1 to both.
I'd like to propose that Howard Lewis Ship be given jakarta-site
access
Actually I think jakarta-site karma is available on request to any jakarta comiter.
d.
Andy proposed:
I would like to nominate Tetsuya Kitahata to be a Jakarta committer with
rights to jakarta-general.
Given that Tetsuya is doing so much to publicise Jakarta in the Far East and has
been maintaining Japanese translations of many jakarta ( former jakarta) sub-project
sites for
Jim,
You say,
It would seem to me that IDE plugins should be at sourceforge.net or
java.net or the like instead of at Jakarta.
snip
they just don't seem like the kind of thing that the Jakarta community
should be focusing on as Jakarta projects.
I have to ask you why, because it seems
I can't see how Collabra are relevant to a list of companies offering support and
experise in jakarta porducts.
Perhaps you can explain.
d.
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From: Michael Davey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 01 July 2003 18:38
To: Jakarta General List
Subject: Re: [site][patch]
I believe the idea is to make people read the rules first, I wouldn't advise
changing it unless you have a good reason to, if it ain't broke don't fix
it.
d.
-Original Message-
From: Tetsuya Kitahata [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 20 July 2003 11:20
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:
I was dead against this when Tetsuya first raised the issue,
I'm still dead against this, and likely to remain so until someone can
explain to me why it would be better than what we currently have.
What we have is (as far as I'm aware) the result of responding to the
actions of people in
Vic,
Notwithstanding your arguments this is not the appropriate forum for this.
This list is for project management discussion regarding the Jakarta
project.
Geronimo is not under the jursidiction of the Jakarta project.
If you want to make trouble please make it in the appropriate place,
The ASF treats the allegations of code copying very seriously, and will
take what actions are necessary to ensure that no IP rights are
violated, any offending code, if found, is removed, and any other
appropriate action is taken.
GREAT!!! That is 99% of what I wanted to hear. I
why it is not the appropriate forum for this shouldnt we know the
truth??!!!
We must know the truth
Quoting from my original message which you appear NOT to have read before
replying to it:
This list is for project management discussion regarding the Jakarta
project.
Geronimo is not
as you like, i just wanted to help
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That is the Right place to discuss this.
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I still ask myself why we can't put HiveMind as its own project under
the Jakarta umbrella.
It doesn't seem unreasonable to me, if the criteria are met and the
political implications of creating a new sub-project are acceptable.
Otherwise a spell in commons will help to cement the community
Howard wrote:
3) Chuck it over to Avalon
I've looked to see how we could graft HiveMind into Avalon and
vice-versa,
but they are really quite different beasts. The type-1 vs.
type-2/type-3
split is intrinsic and difficult to reconcile. HiveMind's concept of a
module
doesn't map so
Sounds interesting, but have you seen ECS?
http://jakarta.apache.org/ecs/index.html
And for something more weighty in the realm of component architecture for
web-pages there's Tapestry
http://jakarta.apache.org/tapestry
1. Find out if Apache has any interest in this code.
I think I do :-)
2. Find out what legal documents my company has to process for this to
be adopted. We have to have our lawyers review this.
I believe that there is a software donation grant document for this, but
I'm not the guy to
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In the light of a request to the PMC by a Jakarta sub-project to have its
own top-level wiki I thought of this...
Jakarta is attempting to put our house in order wrt oversight, this is
manifesting itself as incresed centralisation of oversight, and reduced
autonomy for sub-projects.
An issue
David Sean Taylor wrote,
Just for fun I thought I'd fill this out for the Jetspeed and Pluto
projects (WSRP4J is another possibility).
We would like to start a TLP named 'portal.apache.org' including
Jetspeed-1, Jetspeed-2 and Pluto, and other portal apps as they are
developed.
Good,
Just a reminder, but there need not be a 1:1 mapping of PMC and web
domain,
so there is no need to breakup the Jakarta web site unless people *want*
to
do so.
Quite so, there's no obligation on a promoted sub-project to abandon its
place in the jakarta infrastructure.
In fact the idea of
The reason everything is quiet here is all decisions are being made on
private lists now.
Well at least it's honest. But it makes me wonder about the long term
effect of a private decision process in an open source group. It seems to
have almost destroyed the XFree86 project recently.
As a committer I would like to know what's going on with the
origanization. I can understand certain
private conversations that involve legal implications, but anything else,
I think, should be out in
the open to do justice to the committers. It seems like there is some
talk going on about
Be aware of the
disclaimer at the top
Nice disclaimer ;-)
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Unfortunately, you can't buy nor open source humor.
Perhaps you could delegate it?
I've often considered selling my children on the internet, they have a great sense of
humour.
OTOH perhaps it wouldn't stretch *that* far!
d.
disclaimer that was a JOKE, my wife would go seriously ballistic if
Andy wrote:
FYI, except where I feel the situation absolutely mandates it, I will be
voting/discussing here.
snip
I choose to
work in the open. I choose to be googled. I volunteered for it in fact.
Well said, I agree with this.
But why be so confrontational about it? After all in the
While closing out everyone else. Like those who are not yet committers.
I certainly think that increasing the size of the PMC makes it easier for
things to get discussed on the PMC list, but if people care (and you do for
one) about visibility the very nature of things mean that it won't
Erik
As for the larger issue of no JARs in CVS - I disagree.
I don't believe that there is room for opinion on this, the fact is it is possible for
people to download jars using viewcvs without having read the licence therefore it is
not acceptable.
UNLESS you have *specific* dispensation
I am with Erik on no JARs in CVS. Unless it is a legal issue, I
would certainly like to distribute
all JARs with the distribution.
In the case of most of the licences we'd be likely to consider in this context it is
usually perfectly OK to distribute Jars in a distribution because that
As both Roy and Greg have said, if the Jakarta committers truly
understood how few rights and privileges they have, they would be
demanding both ASF and PMC membership. Few do, so few have.
Well I kind of asked for PMC nomination, are you saying that we should, or indeed
could, ask for
Stephen wrote,
For example, am I in writing this email, acting in the capacity of a PMC
member, a committer, or an individual?
Seems to me that part of the reason it is difficult to resolve the issues confronting
Jakarta is that several initial assumptions are required, and that these are
-1
I don't think the PMC should be doing anything other than encouraging sub-projects to
*consider* TLP at this stage.
The proposal contains a number of detailed actions most of which I'd wholeheartedly
support as they will help sub-projects to consider pro's and con's of promotion.
However
We should trust the judgment of our community, let each committer
decide for themselves, and then Jakarta be whatever Jakarta wants to be.
+1 I totally agree, and I would hope that no one seriously holds any other view.
Concern about oversight has been flagged as an issue for us to address
I see what you are saying, but why is this an issue only with OGNL? Is it
because of license
incompatibilities? 'Cause there are other jars in CVS both Apache and
non-Apache.
Harish,
It isn't only an issue with OGNL, it is a general issue which has been
bubbling away for months.
In
Hi,
I just had a Eureka moment, albeit a not very significant one, and I want
to brain dump...
I read this headine on TSS The Apache Jakarta team announces Lucene 1.3
Final
It set me to thinking about the issue of using product on the website
against the more correct, but less newbie
Submit a patch to this list in the usual way.
I would like to have our company listed under both Developer Support and
Complete Solutions Providers, with the following info:
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Chad,
I am an IBM employee who has developed a new type of framework
Please first read: http://jakarta.apache.org/site/newproject.html
also read http://incubator.apache.org/
You might consider approching the incubator project (subscribe to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]) I would certainly suggest it as
Hi Henri,
I'm taking a serious look at Rich Internet Applications, and I'm
investigating using FlashMX as client.
Did some of you have some experiences on this ?
Yep, I've developed two server apps for Flash clients using XMLRPC
(http://www.proboscis.org.uk/urbantapestries/index.html is one
We were thinking of using either Tomcat or JBoss for the server,
Unless you're not going to use http with JBOSS You'll find that JBOSS is
Bundled with Tomcat for the web app container..
From my extensive and brain deadening reading of the MIME rfcs I don't
think you be violating the spec
Aha.. misread content-encoding as content-type.. I suspect that gzip is
*not* an encoding, which is something like Base64, Uuencode or
Quoted-printable and is used to ensure that binary data will pass
unmolested through mail transport agents (MTA's) which are only required to
handle ASCII,
If its not too patronising of me I'd like to propose vote of thanks to Sam as outgoing
chair,
Sam, I know you've been more involved elsewhere lately, but from a personal point of
view I've learned to respect and appreciate the low-key, mature and consensus building
way in which you have
[X] +1 I support this proposal
[ ] -1 I don't support this proposal
[ ] 0 I abstain from voting for or against this proposal
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binding too.
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What about starting by making sure Apache java projects _do_ work with
the 2 open source JVMs that are mentioned in the
article ?
This is a fine idea, if we're bending the rules to the extent that our
stuff won't run on any specifications compliant JVM we should address that,
particularly
Having named leads of any sort is the antithesis of what I would like
to
see within the ASF.
Fair enough, but there's no reason I can see why a JCP lead shouldn't be
an OSS chair, I guess the JCP needs spec leads like the ASF needs
chairpeople, to be a single point of refrence from above
why does the Apache/Jakarta project still uses maillist?
It's a technology that was used before the invention of WWW.
And boy does it ever work!
I've worked on a number of commercial projects which are managed in a
similar way to accomodate dispersed teams.
It works, we like it, get used
First of all, I'm curious to know what you think incubation has to do
with
dormant projects.
It's the opposite.
Secondly, I'm not one who favors closing an open source project. Ever.
I
didn't really agree with closing java.apache.org. Although I do agree
with
closing that domain, in
Noel,
But I don't think that we need a separate TLP for it. I would leave
the project in the community that last hosted the now dormant project.
Good point, perhaps we just need to organise ourselves.
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Geir wrote:
Well, I'm a little leery about sending watchdog traffic (even if none)
to general@ - all it takes is one guy getting interested :)
(My silence was due to temporary no-email-at-home, not indifference!)
I'd prefer to propose the following:
1/ that a PMC vote is taken *HERE* to
Noel wrote:
We leave the resources in place, with a notice that the project is
dormant. If it is revitalized, great. If not, what harm is there?
To me it seems like an opportunity for part of jakarta to fall out of PMC
oversight.
I'm not suggesting that there is any legal controversy
I don't think that working, used-by-users code is 'dead'. There may
not be an active community of developers, but if the code is done, it's
done.
I agree. I think we should consider it as the caretakeing of the user
community of a stable product, and if it ever arises, the sponsors of a
But those projects won't have 3
active committers. Watchdog and ECS are good examples.
IMO The Watchdog debate, that resulted in you and I accepting a monitoring
role, is a good outcome.
Basically Jakarta is a single ASF project, the PMC is responsible for
everything, and the notion of
+1
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The problem is that for java, there are questions about the clarity of
the provisions in the license that prevent the virality from taking
effect, which is why the ASF doesn't allow LGPLed java usage.
I believe that a specific example is implementing an interface where the
interface is LGPL,
1/ Ok don't flame me... Method pointers
I *know* it is possible to accomplish all the delegation one might want by
using polymorphism, but this often leads to unncessary screeds of
boiler-plate,
so I still I believe there is a case for some kind of streamlining of
delegation by allowing it to be
of behaviour, and I don't
believe it needs to break any OO principles if it is properly designed.
This approach [anonymous classes] might do the job just as well.
What say you, Danny Angus?
It works, obviously, but it contains more meaningless boilerplate code for
structure than significant code
Dain wrote:
If you want method pointers today, just get a good byte code generation
tool.
Yeah I know, and I seriously believe that workarounds such as this do more
to harm the so-called purity of Java than providing explicit language
level mechanisms for method pointers.
The AWT moved from
Dain wrote:
I understand what you are saying, but do you believe that Sun could
actually get such a feature right?
I take your point, and tend to think not. I don't believe that Sun would
get it right first time, not if we consider their track record.
So, yes, I am arguing that no feature is
This is a bit of a rant, I know but...
One thing I would like to see Sun do, from the point of view of my previous
role at work, would be to devote more effort to improving the stability and
performance of the Hotspot VM on
all platforms.
From what I can see are a number of defects in the Hotspot
On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 08:11:03 -0700, Dain Sundstrom
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+10
I make that 10 trillion. Did I hit a nerve there Dain? !
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Richard,
Hi.
I was wondering; what are the lessons learned?
Everything you see is a lesson learned, what you see in practice is our
best, but still admittedly flawed, practice.
If you were starting all over today, what things would you have
done differently? What are the blind alleys?
I'm
FYI James uses XSLT with no dependance on Anakia or Jakarta-site
On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 09:02:23 -0500 (EST), Henri Yandell
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On Mon, 3 Jan 2005, sebb wrote:
On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 19:15:59 -0500 (EST), Henri Yandell
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On Sun, 2 Jan 2005,
Robert,
and is any planning needed so that no toes are stepped on?
An advance heads-up would warn other projects which might link to those
pages. Though as a redirect wouldn't break the links I guess its not that
important, James has been bitten by Jakarta changes before, though I hasten
to add
So either: a) we should roll back to the table style for header and
footer for the moment; or b) we should just ignore it and wait for
complaints to come in :)
snip
Does a) sound okay?
When you sell it like that its unopposable!
d.
There are a couple of tweaky things - like the font seems a little
bigger than it needs to be,
I twiddled with James css y'day, I think the fonts there are finally OK
http://james.apache.org the (extremely simple) css is in svn if you
want to look.
I'd be interested in theiveing the 3tier xsl
One thing you *may* care about is using certified Java VM.
You should also be aware that there are issues with combinations of JVM and
Linux, at work we're still trying to resolve an issue with RedHat
Enterprise and J2sdk 1.2.4, and there were significant issues with certain
earlier redhat and
sorry I mistyped 1.2.4 for 1.4.2 !
issue with RedHat
Enterprise and J2sdk 1.2.4,
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We did remove the graduated TLP's from the nav some while ago, I
think it was me who did it.
But put it back when people started asking for it, the idea was that
many people, including some of us tend to go to jakarta.apache first
and click links to get to ant, struts et-al.
I tend to think that
It is funny after all these years that the Apache meritocracy has only
evolved to sending +1 votes via email. grin
Actually I think it is significant.
+1's etc. in emails fulfils 100% of our requirements, business, legal and
infrastructure, and is demonstrably accessable, robust and fault
Remy wrote:
I am definitely contributing to Tomcat as part of my employment at
JBoss. I am not contributing on my own free time to Tomcat as an
individual at the moment, and (as far as I can remember, as it was a
while ago ...) have submitted a company CLA reflecting that
At this point, how about simply kicking me out and ending the problems
faster ? Just one quick vote on board@ and any future issues disappear
magically.
Oh grow up.
No one has criticised you, no one has complained that you are paid by
JBOSS,
no one has criticised your contributions, no one
+1
Danny Angus (Jakarta PMC Member)
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As has been discussed on this list on tomcat-dev, the Tomcat people
are interested in moving up.
Attached please find a Resolution to this effect from the proposed new
Tomcat PMC
Web Components.
+1
It is what it says it is.
Even to those who's first language may not be English.
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Robert wrote:
i sometimes find it hard to work out where opinion stops and policy
begins...
Then again... it is surely the PMC's business to know or find out, and
enforce?
I mean, IANAL but as a manager I would think that if the PMC is charged
with oversight it is surely marginally better for
Yeah +1, create it and we can create an IANAL mail storm ;-)
We can create an FAQ based upon our own misunderstanding, because at
least it will get the misunderstanding out in the open and allow it to
be reviewed and corrected by those who know about such things.
Would it be possible to have
I agree with Martin (below)
While we might not want to prevent people accessing our lists using these
services the only *official* method is to subscribe.
d.
3. easiest path to posting a question to a list that you're not a member
of,
examining the responses, and then leaving.
IMHO, this
I'm one of the 1) Inactive PMC members : 39
For historical reasons I made it onto this PMC just as the project I was
really involved with (James) got promoted to TLP.
I hung around to try to help make sure that Jakarta didn't die as a result
of all the reorganisation, and wasn't killed
.
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Martin wrote:
The result can be a couple of things (probably depending on the response)
:
- Vote on them (?)
I think the most straightforward thing is simply to announce that a vote
will be held for which the rules are that more than a quorum of +1's and no
-1's are required to remove a PMC
Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 16/03/2006 08:14:08:
My proposal is that we create a file in SVN in which PMC members can list
themselves as being active. After 1 month, failure to appear in that list
will result in removal from the PMC. If it goes well we could consider
doing it
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