Re: Apache CVS (was Re: Lessons Learned)

2004-12-14 Thread robert burrell donkin
used Jmeter for web testing? Please respond if you have used this tool or you know how to use it. Thanks, Jim. -Original Message- From: robert burrell donkin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 2:57 PM To: Jakarta General List Subject: Re: Apache CVS (was Re: Lessons

Re: Apache CVS (was Re: Lessons Learned)

2004-12-14 Thread Richard Bair
we're moving to subversion and there have been quite a few discussions about the best ways of laying our repositories recently. if you can use subversion, seriously consider using it. the way our subversion repository is laid out is a little different. - robert Hmm... I have been

RE: Apache CVS (was Re: Lessons Learned)

2004-12-14 Thread Tim O'Brien
-Original Message- From: Richard Bair [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 5:37 PM To: Jakarta General List Subject: Re: Apache CVS (was Re: Lessons Learned) we're moving to subversion and there have been quite a few discussions about the best ways of laying

Re: Lessons Learned

2004-12-14 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 13 Dec 2004, at 01:04, Felipe Leme wrote: On Sun, 2004-12-12 at 21:15, robert burrell donkin wrote: though committing a few risky patches in the hope of recruiting a new committer might seem like a good plan, there are definite drawbacks. I agree. I didn't mean that all patches, but they should

Re: Apache CVS (was Re: Lessons Learned)

2004-12-14 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 13 Dec 2004, at 22:20, Richard Bair wrote: Thanks everyone for your insight! Related to this, I have a question regarding the organizational structure of CVS. I noticed that cvs.apache.org has, predictably, a different package for all of the top-level projects, and even sub-projects (although

RE: Apache CVS (was Re: Lessons Learned)

2004-12-14 Thread Jim Amini
CVS (was Re: Lessons Learned) On 13 Dec 2004, at 22:20, Richard Bair wrote: Thanks everyone for your insight! Related to this, I have a question regarding the organizational structure of CVS. I noticed that cvs.apache.org has, predictably, a different package for all of the top-level projects

Apache CVS (was Re: Lessons Learned)

2004-12-13 Thread Richard Bair
Thanks everyone for your insight! Related to this, I have a question regarding the organizational structure of CVS. I noticed that cvs.apache.org has, predictably, a different package for all of the top-level projects, and even sub-projects (although all of the commons-components are considered

Re: Lessons Learned

2004-12-12 Thread Oliver Zeigermann
Unless, for example, you do this intentionally ;) Oliver On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 15:30:10 -0200, Felipe Leme [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would add a note to Danny's comment: treat contributors as your primary users. I have seem many projects (inside and outside ASF) where people submit patches

Re: Lessons Learned

2004-12-12 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 12 Dec 2004, at 17:30, Felipe Leme wrote: I would add a note to Danny's comment: treat contributors as your primary users. I have seem many projects (inside and outside ASF) where people submit patches and the patches are just ignored, without even an explanation why it was not accepted. I know

Re: Lessons Learned

2004-12-12 Thread Felipe Leme
On Sun, 2004-12-12 at 21:15, robert burrell donkin wrote: though committing a few risky patches in the hope of recruiting a new committer might seem like a good plan, there are definite drawbacks. I agree. I didn't mean that all patches, but they should at least be 'acknowledged'. Even a

Re: Lessons Learned

2004-12-12 Thread Felipe Leme
I would add a note to Danny's comment: treat contributors as your primary users. I have seem many projects (inside and outside ASF) where people submit patches and the patches are just ignored, without even an explanation why it was not accepted. I know that applying a patch is not that simple in

Re: Lessons Learned

2004-12-12 Thread J Aaron Farr
robert burrell donkin wrote: beware too many organizational layers. flat is best. having a single sub-project with many releasables artifacts sharing the same community space (mailing lists, committer lists, voting eligability and so on) has proved more successful (see jakarta commons) than a

Re: Lessons Learned

2004-12-11 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 10 Dec 2004, at 09:28, Danny Angus wrote: If you were starting all over today, what things would you have done differently? What are the blind alleys? snip Keep it simple. Keep it public. Have one official communication channel for decision making, we use well publicised mailinglists for a

Re: Lessons Learned

2004-12-10 Thread Danny Angus
Richard, Hi. I was wondering; what are the lessons learned? Everything you see is a lesson learned, what you see in practice is our best, but still admittedly flawed, practice. If you were starting all over today, what things would you have done differently? What are the blind alleys? I'm

Re: Lessons Learned

2004-12-10 Thread Richard Bair
Thanks everybody for their input. Jakarta is a meritocracy, I believe that that is why it works. But I think the real lesson for you is, don't ask *us*, have a look at what we do but ask your own community to make these choices. Will do! Thanks Richard

Lessons Learned

2004-12-09 Thread Richard Bair
it comes to hosting open source projects and an open source community. I was wondering; what are the lessons learned? If you were starting all over today, what things would you have done differently? What are the blind alleys? Also, I have been researching and designing the build process