-PROPOSITION (1)-
* Require all Jakarta products (or subprojects) to file regular reports
with the PMC.
You mean 'make each subproject work like a TLP' don't you?
Since the PMC cannot delegate its responsibilities, the report would
have to be prepared by a PMC member, ideally one directly
-PROPOSITION (1)-
* Require all Jakarta products (or subprojects) to file regular reports
with the PMC.
You mean 'make each subproject work like a TLP' don't you?
Since the PMC cannot delegate its responsibilities, the report would
have to be prepared by a PMC member, ideally one directly
- Original message
From: Stephen Colebourne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Jakarta General List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Received: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 14:16:26 +
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] As it ever were (draft 2)
Since the PMC cannot delegate its responsibilities
On Dec 28, 2003, at 10:48 AM, Ted Husted wrote:
- Original message
From: Stephen Colebourne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] As it ever were (draft 2)
Since
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Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] As it ever were (draft 2)
Since the PMC cannot delegate its responsibilities, the report would
have to be prepared by a PMC member, ideally one directly involved with
subproject. (A likely suspect being the DEV list
From: Stephen Colebourne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Jakarta General List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Received: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 14:16:26 +
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] As it ever were (draft 2)
Since the PMC cannot delegate its responsibilities, the report would
have
and support the Jakarta PMC.
Stephen.
geir
Stephen.
Ted Husted wrote:
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From: Stephen Colebourne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Jakarta General List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Received: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 14:16:26 +
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL
[PROPOSAL] As it ever were
I've incorporated many of the suggestions made on the list and prepared
another draft for community review.
-ISSUE-
The ASF Board has indicated that it does not believe that the Jakarta
PMC, in its present form, is capable of providing oversight of all the
subprojects
On Dec 24, 2003, at 12:11 PM, Costin Manolache wrote:
Ted,
I think we must focus on what we agree on - it seems nobody is against
expanding the PMC to include most committers ( or all active
committers who don't decline ).
I'm not sure I understand Geir's current position, but I think he still
Exactly - lets not overdo this with too much process. Lets just get
people who have genuine interest onto the PMC, covering the project(s)
they work on, and then keep growing.
geir
On Dec 24, 2003, at 2:46 PM, Henri Yandell wrote:
Post a list of projects and get PMC people to volunteer to
My complaint is this:
Our current base of committers were led to believe they have binding
votes. We are now told this is not the case. The committers we now have
were all elected on the premise that they had binding votes and
oversight responsibilities for their codebase. They were in fact
On Dec 24, 2003, at 6:28 AM, Ted Husted wrote:
My complaint is this:
Our current base of committers were led to believe they have binding
votes. We are now told this is not the case. The committers we now
have were all elected on the premise that they had binding votes and
oversight
I apologize for not quoting. I'm experiencing technical difficulties and
making do the best I can.
I meant what I said. We must make an immediate, good faith effort to
correct the false and misleading information in the Jakarta guidelines,
and give all committers due notice of their true
Ted,
I think we must focus on what we agree on - it seems nobody is against
expanding the PMC to include most committers ( or all active committers
who don't decline ).
I'm not sure I understand Geir's current position, but I think he still
agrees we need to include most people. I don't think
(Again, sorry about the quoting.)
o·ver·sight
1. An unintentional omission or mistake.
2. Watchful care or management; supervision
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=oversight
The board expects PMCs to exercise (2) so as to avoid (1). :)
For a PMC this boils down to issues of
Post a list of projects and get PMC people to volunteer to post reports,
chase up CLAs and improve PMC-to-non-PMC ratio, and record who has
volunteered. Keep going until all projects are covered by the minimum
number, which can be 1 to start with.
Hen
On Wed, 24 Dec 2003, Ted Husted wrote:
As both Roy and Greg have said, if the Jakarta committers truly
understood how few rights and privileges they have, they would be
demanding both ASF and PMC membership. Few do, so few have.
Well I kind of asked for PMC nomination, are you saying that we should, or indeed
could, ask for
Ted Husted wrote:
(Again, sorry about the quoting.)
o·ver·sight
1. An unintentional omission or mistake.
2. Watchful care or management; supervision
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=oversight
The board expects PMCs to exercise (2) so as to avoid (1). :)
For a PMC this boils down
steward
The proposal is to expand the role of the moderator, rather than invent
an overlapping role with similar responsibilities. If the volunteer is
not up to task, then another volunteer can be sought. (Hence, the
language about the Chair appointing another volunteer.) The idea is that
Ted Husted wrote:
steward
The proposal is to expand the role of the moderator, rather than invent
an overlapping role with similar responsibilities. If the volunteer is
not up to task, then another volunteer can be sought. (Hence, the
language about the Chair appointing another volunteer.)
Make release managers the default stewards
Not every subproject has a clearly defined release manager. In Struts,
we are even starting to have multiple people collaborate on the release
manager role.
The key to oversight is persistence. Since it is not possible for every
committee member to
On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 12:10:03 -0500
(Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] As it ever were)
Ted Husted wrote:
steward
The proposal is to expand the role of the moderator, rather than
invent an overlapping role with similar responsibilities. If the
volunteer is not up to task, then another volunteer can
On Tue, 23 Dec 2003, Ted Husted wrote:
Make release managers the default stewards
My suggestion:
Work out what people on the PMC are members of the PMC for. ie) I consider
myself a Taglibs and Commons developer [both umberella projects so not
great examples].
List which projects people are
])
On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 21:07:26 -0500
(Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] As it ever were)
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
This is what I proposed some weeks ago. I think you would serve the
community well if you also posted a summary of pros and cons that we
had discussed.
On Dec 21, 2003, at 6:14 PM, Ted Husted wrote
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