Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 8:56 PM, kuzetsa wrote: > > Yes please. I don't want to see gentoo end because of ... rudeness. > Be careful, it is easy to disguise rudeness as tact.

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 4:03 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > W dniu sob, 02.12.2017 o godzinie 19∶33 -0600, użytkownik R0b0t1 > napisał: >> Hello, >> >> In every mailing list conversation, there are at least three people: >> the two conversing, and the future reader. I point this out

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] [PATCH] xtermTitle: support st (simple terminal)

On Sun, Dec 03, 2017 at 01:00:37PM -0800, Zac Medico wrote: > Your change will match any TERM value that starts with 'st', which seems > too loose. How about if we match st-256color instead? > -- > Thanks, > Zac > Yes, you're right, though there's still one more issue with that. Although

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

On 12/03/2017 08:19 PM, Peter Stuge wrote: > this 18 min talk by Donnie Berkholz from 2012, about Gentoo actually: Someone in private linked that video to me today. Yeah :( > Do not tolerate bad behavior by anyone! --snip-- > It is important to take action which clearly rejects > unacceptable

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

Hi Michał, Michał Górny wrote: > major problems with some of the posters for more than a year. Please believe me when I say that I know what this feels like. I want to applaud and thank everyone who has been tackling/discussing this issue in private, and I especially want to applaud taking

Re: [gentoo-project] Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 4:26 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > W dniu nie, 03.12.2017 o godzinie 13∶52 -0500, użytkownik Alec Warner > napisał: > > On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 6:18 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > > > > > Hello, everyone. > > > > > > This is something that's

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

On 12/03/2017 07:51 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 7:37 PM, Matt Turner wrote: >> With gentoo being a non-profit organization, an alternative way to >> view it could be the trade-off of seeing developers / maintainers / >> staff leave > It isn't just the

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

More than zero posts on this thread are consistent with this point: On 12/02/2017 06:18 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > 3. Support requests. Some of our 'expert users' have been abusing > the mailing lists to request support (because it's easier to ask > everyone than go through proper channels) and/or

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 7:37 PM, Matt Turner wrote: > > With gentoo being a non-profit organization, an alternative way to > view it could be the trade-off of seeing developers / maintainers / > staff leave It isn't just the risk of leaving, but the risk of them never joining

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

A user requested I forward this information to the mailing list: There's been research, on this, and the study by harvard business school was summarized and discussed by NPR in 2015: [ Turns out toxic coworkers are more than just an annoyance. A new study out of the Harvard Business School warns

[gentoo-dev] Automated Package Removal and Addition Tracker, for the week ending 2017-12-03 23:59 UTC

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Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

On Sun, Dec 03, 2017 at 11:33:11PM +0100, Gerion Entrup wrote: I'm a long term Gentoo user, but have read this list a few month only, so correct me, if I'm wrong. I've seen the main usage of this list in three aspects: 1. Review and discussion of new (technical) features (eclasses, EAPI, package

[gentoo-portage-dev] [PATCH] depgraph: eval disjunctive build deps earlier (bug 639346)

Since built-time deps tend to be a superset of run-time deps, evaluate disjunctive build-time deps before run-time deps, so that choices for build-time deps influence choices for run-time deps. Also, fix OnlydepsMinimalTestCase to specify ambiguous_merge_order, since the merge order is affected

Re: [gentoo-project] Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

Am Sonntag, 3. Dezember 2017, 22:43:19 CET schrieb Michał Górny: > W dniu nie, 03.12.2017 o godzinie 21∶30 +0100, użytkownik Dirkjan > Ochtman napisał: > > On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 12:18 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > > > > > 1. Posting to gentoo-dev@ and gentoo-project@ mailing

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 3:18 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > The problems of more abusive behavior from some of the mailing list > members have been reported to ComRel numerous times. After the failure > of initial enforcement, I'm not aware of ComRel doing anything to solve > the

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

W dniu sob, 02.12.2017 o godzinie 19∶33 -0600, użytkownik R0b0t1 napisał: > Hello, > > In every mailing list conversation, there are at least three people: > the two conversing, and the future reader. I point this out as I think > it important that everyone realize that not all posts are written

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: Dead Qt4-based games-*/

W dniu nie, 03.12.2017 o godzinie 20∶54 +, użytkownik James Le Cuirot napisał: > On Sun, 03 Dec 2017 20:41:56 +0100 > Andreas Sturmlechner wrote: > > > # Andreas Sturmlechner (03 Dec 2017) > > # Dead upstreams, depending on dead qt3support/qt4. > > #

Re: [gentoo-project] Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

W dniu nie, 03.12.2017 o godzinie 21∶30 +0100, użytkownik Dirkjan Ochtman napisał: > On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 12:18 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > > > 1. Posting to gentoo-dev@ and gentoo-project@ mailing lists will be > > initially restricted to active Gentoo developers. > > > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

W dniu nie, 03.12.2017 o godzinie 20∶19 +0100, użytkownik Róbert Čerňanský napisał: > On Sun, 03 Dec 2017 00:18:04 +0100 > Michał Górny wrote: > > > 1. Posting to gentoo-dev@ and gentoo-project@ mailing lists will be > > initially restricted to active Gentoo developers. > > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

W dniu nie, 03.12.2017 o godzinie 19∶34 +0100, użytkownik Vincent-Xavier JUMEL napisał: > Hello there, > > Le 03 décembre à 00:18 Michał Górny a écrit > > Hello, everyone. > > > > This is something that's been talked about privately a lot lately but it > > seems that nobody went forward to put

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

On Sun, Dec 03, 2017 at 09:30:36PM +0100, Dirkjan Ochtman wrote: > On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 12:18 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > > > 1. Posting to gentoo-dev@ and gentoo-project@ mailing lists will be > > initially restricted to active Gentoo developers. > > > > 1a. Subscription

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

W dniu nie, 03.12.2017 o godzinie 13∶52 -0500, użytkownik Alec Warner napisał: > On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 6:18 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > > > Hello, everyone. > > > > This is something that's been talked about privately a lot lately but it > > seems that nobody went forward to

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

"suspicious of" to strong a word - "wary of" ! On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 7:16 AM, Damo Brisbane wrote: > As a relative newbie I wonder about the format generally of the lists, > however "unbroken", I would be concerned about a dated look. Also, IMO > anything requiring

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

As a relative newbie I wonder about the format generally of the lists, however "unbroken", I would be concerned about a dated look. Also, IMO anything requiring "manual restructuring" - verses automation - I am a little suspicious of. If dumb stuff is coming through, why cant the good stuff be

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: Dead Qt4-based games-*/

On Sun, 03 Dec 2017 20:41:56 +0100 Andreas Sturmlechner wrote: > # Andreas Sturmlechner (03 Dec 2017) > # Dead upstreams, depending on dead qt3support/qt4. > # Masked for removal in 30 days. Bug #631788 > ... > games-kids/crayon-physics This is a

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 12:18 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > 1. Posting to gentoo-dev@ and gentoo-project@ mailing lists will be > initially restricted to active Gentoo developers. > > 1a. Subscription (reading) and archives will still be open. > > 1b. Active Gentoo contributors

[gentoo-dev] Last rites: Dead Qt4-based games-*/

# Andreas Sturmlechner (03 Dec 2017) # Dead upstreams, depending on dead qt3support/qt4. # Masked for removal in 30 days. Bug #631788 games-board/capicity games-board/kcheckers games-board/qgo games-board/holdingnuts games-board/qcheckers games-emulation/virtualjaguar

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

On Sun, 03 Dec 2017 00:18:04 +0100 Michał Górny wrote: > 1. Posting to gentoo-dev@ and gentoo-project@ mailing lists will be > initially restricted to active Gentoo developers. > > 1a. Subscription (reading) and archives will still be open. > > 1b. Active Gentoo contributors

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 6:18 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > Hello, everyone. > > This is something that's been talked about privately a lot lately but it > seems that nobody went forward to put things into motion. SO here's > a proposal that aims to improve the condition of our

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

Hello there, Le 03 décembre à 00:18 Michał Górny a écrit > Hello, everyone. > > This is something that's been talked about privately a lot lately but it > seems that nobody went forward to put things into motion. SO here's > a proposal that aims to improve the condition of our mailing lists >

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

1 / 1b seems reasonable for mitigating signal/noise issues. (previously unaware non-dev subscribers //currently// could post) On 12/02/2017 06:18 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > ...establish the following changes to the mailing lists: > > 1. Posting to gentoo-dev@ and gentoo-project@ mailing lists

[gentoo-portage-dev] [PATCH] xtermTitle: support st (simple terminal)

Currently users of suckless' simple terminal have to rely on ugly hacks like this in order to make portage display merging progress in the terminals title bar: alias emerge="TERM=xterm emerge" Officially support st by adding it to the list of legal terminals. Signed-off-by: Christoph Böhmwalder

[gentoo-dev] Last rites: app-office/qchartdiary, x11-misc/qtnotifydaemon, x11-plugins/qled

# Andreas Sturmlechner (03 Dec 2017) # Dead upstream, depends on dead qt4. # Masked for removal in 30 days. Bug #639254 x11-misc/qtnotifydaemon # Andreas Sturmlechner (03 Dec 2017) # Dead upstream, depends on dead qt4. # Masked for removal in 30 days. Bug