[gentoo-dev] Re: GCC 4.1.1 testing/stablization and glibc 2.4

2006-07-16 Thread R Hill
(apologies in advance if this goes through twice) Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Sat, 2006-07-01 at 12:18 -0600, Ryan Hill wrote: Should arch testers start working with 4.1.1 then? And do you want bugs to block #117482? Arch testers should contact their architecture's leads or Release

[gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo: State of the Union

2006-04-30 Thread R Hill
Dan Armak wrote: On Saturday 29 April 2006 15:21, Fernando J. Pereda wrote: The commit marked with @ is a special comit called a 'merge'. I hope that clarifies the merge tracking part. You just described what merging is. Svn can do that too with svn merge. But, if I merge changesets from

[gentoo-dev] Re: automatically killing invalid CFLAGS/warning about bad CFLAGS

2006-04-26 Thread R Hill
James Potts wrote: -fvisibility-inlines-hidden not only breaks a number of kde apps afaik (it's filtered now), Again, probably -fvisibility=hidden. Many people have had success building KDE with both flags enabled lately, so maybe that's something that could be revisited when 4.1 goes

[gentoo-dev] Re: killing USE=userlocales

2006-04-22 Thread R Hill
Mike Frysinger wrote: for you peeps who want to give this a shot, sync up and try glibc-2.4-r2. hopefully i wont have [m]any more changes to make before i release it into ~arch. pretty cool. couple dumb questions though. one, does this make the compile time explode? IIRC that was one of

[gentoo-dev] Re: automatically killing invalid CFLAGS/warning about bad CFLAGS

2006-04-13 Thread R Hill
Patrick McLean wrote: For about a month now, we (amd64) have had some code in our profile.bashrc that filters CFLAGS that are unrecognized by gcc, and warnings the user about bad CFLAGS. The broken flags part is useful. So far it has worked fairly well, and it has really cut down on the

[gentoo-dev] Re: automatically killing invalid CFLAGS/warning about bad CFLAGS

2006-04-13 Thread R Hill
Donnie Berkholz wrote: R Hill wrote: There's an endless number of CFLAGS that could be warned about, and just as many situations where they're actually useful. Aside, I've yet to hear of _anything_ that's broken because of -fvisibility-inlines-hidden. (course someone will undoubtedly point one

[gentoo-dev] Re: toolchain.eclass and gcc 4.1 snapshots

2006-03-25 Thread R Hill
Simon Strandman wrote: It seems like toolchain.eclass does something wrong when configuring gcc 4.1 snapshots. I decided to try gcc 4.1 on my server so I created a gcc-4.1.1.20060324 ebuild and defined the SNAPSHOT variable in it (current cvs has a lot of bugfixes since the release). This is

[gentoo-dev] Re: New Glep 46 Draft: Allow upstream tags in metadata.xml

2006-03-11 Thread R Hill
Marcelo Góes wrote: GLEP: 46 Title: Allow upstream tags in metadata.xml Version: $Revision: 1.1 $ i'm offline for the week, so ignore any of this that has already been discussed in the meantime. This GLEP defines the following four tags for ``upstream``: ``maintainer``, ``changelog``,

[gentoo-dev] Re: seeing a new trend of laziness developing.

2006-02-26 Thread R Hill
Ned Ludd wrote: 232 matches. http://tinyurl.com/pmrmx The vast majority of which have an explanation in the comment directly preceding. --de. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

[gentoo-dev] Re: seeing a new trend of laziness developing.

2006-02-26 Thread R Hill
Kevin F. Quinn (Gentoo) wrote: When re-assigning, it is extremely useful for the new assignee to see some relevant text, as this is the first bit of text they may see. If you just re-assign with '.' then the new assignee has to browse the bug to decide how to prioritise etc - which means

[gentoo-portage-dev] Re: confcache, final chance to ixnay it

2006-02-13 Thread R Hill
(sorry if this double posts) Brian Harring wrote: Yo... attached is a patch enabling confcache support for portage. Lots of testing, plus fixups from comments from folks prior. So... giving it a few days, nows the time to bitch if you dislike the implementation (and no, I'm not rewriting

[gentoo-dev] Re: Duplicated entries in use.desc and use.local.desc

2006-02-12 Thread R Hill
Marius Mauch wrote: On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 14:49:55 -0500 Mark Loeser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On a more global scale, we should decide if this is valid though. I haven't exactly been convinced that it is useful, but I'm not opposed to the idea. I'd just like to see a decision one way or another.

[gentoo-dev] Re: Duplicated entries in use.desc and use.local.desc

2006-02-12 Thread R Hill
Mark Loeser wrote: R Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Anyways I just like anything that makes use.desc more useful than foo - adds support for foo That's really a completely separate issue. By allowing duplicate entries we just allow people to put useless information in two places instead

[gentoo-dev] Re: fix binary debug support, part elevenity billion

2006-01-20 Thread R Hill
Olivier Crete wrote: On Tue, 2006-17-01 at 18:03 +0100, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: On Tuesday 17 January 2006 17:51, Olivier Crete wrote: The argument in favor of splitdebug is that it allows users to give useful bugreports when using tools such as gnome's bug-buddy. Erm actually it

[gentoo-dev] Re: Installing COPYING or LICENSE files

2005-12-26 Thread R Hill
Carsten Lohrke wrote: On Monday 26 December 2005 14:57, Drake Wyrm wrote: You're going to be hard-pressed to get any kind of consensus on this issue. Many dev seems to feel that the license belongs there. In some cases the COPYING, LICENSE, and/or INSTALL files contain, not boilerplate

[gentoo-dev] Re: Unified nVidia Driver Ebuild ready for testing

2005-12-24 Thread R Hill
Peter wrote: To Gentoo nVidia users: We are in the process of developing and testing a unified nVidia driver ebuild. When implemented, it will replace the nvidia-kernel, nvidia-glx, and nvidia-settings ebuilds. It will also add the utility nvidia-xconfig. Well I just wanted to say thanks

[gentoo-dev] Re: Unified nVidia Driver Ebuild ready for testing

2005-12-24 Thread R Hill
Diego 'Flameeyes' Petten wrote: On Saturday 24 December 2005 16:31, Peter wrote: Not really. glx does not compile at all and the entire pkg file has to be extracted. Same amount of files being processed... No, because the glx part files needs to be processed by portage, too, and that's

[gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites for media-video/kavi2svcd

2005-12-11 Thread R Hill
Diego 'Flameeyes' Petten wrote: Another package leaving the tree, again because of transcode1 CLI changes. It does not work as intended with transcode 1.0 and has other problems, too. Hoping in newer versions to come out better, I'm going to mask and it's pending removal one week from now.

[gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites for media-video/dvdrip

2005-12-11 Thread R Hill
Diego 'Flameeyes' Petten wrote: Oh well, media-video/dvdrip has many issues reported in bugzilla (some have patches, most haven't), and depends on a version of transcode with many issues, too (and force us to leave transcode 1 masked). Nobody in video herd is looking at it right now, last

[gentoo-dev] Re: The deal with epkgmove

2005-12-11 Thread R Hill
Kurt Lieber wrote: On Sat, Dec 10, 2005 at 11:52:33AM + or thereabouts, Ian Leitch wrote: For the time being and near future, I think moves should be done by hand. What are your thoughts on this, infra? As for moving packages by hand vs. using a tool, that's not really infra's call.

[gentoo-dev] Re: Creating a Sketeton System

2005-12-11 Thread R Hill
George Prowse wrote: After some talk in the forums a point came up that we need a way to reduce the long used gentoo system to a bare point before X but after any baselayout upgrade had been applied. This script would enable two things: a person to rebuild his system after a library

[gentoo-dev] Re: aging ebuilds with unstable keywords

2005-11-25 Thread R Hill
Andrej Kacian wrote: On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 20:39:43 -0600 R Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * if ebuild installs COPYING and/or INSTALL into doc. Is this actually important? There are a hell of a lot of ebuilds that fail under this rule. I'd like to start filing patches for some

[gentoo-dev] Re: Update of http://wwwredesign.gentoo.org

2005-11-23 Thread R Hill
Mike Frysinger wrote: On Wed, Nov 23, 2005 at 01:40:45AM -0500, Curtis Napier wrote: The artwork is all part of the winning design. Any issues with the infinity symbol should have been addressed a year ago. well it clearly wasnt, might as well cover it now before the site goes live ... as

[gentoo-dev] Re: Decision to remove stage1/2 from installation documentation

2005-11-22 Thread R Hill
Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Tue, 2005-11-22 at 16:26 +0100, Marc Hildebrand wrote: Chris Gianelloni wrote: [..] Now, on the topic of the tarballs. Give me one example of something that you can do with a stage1 or stage2 tarball that you cannot with a stage3 tarball. Answer: Download it in

[gentoo-dev] Re: Decision to remove stage1/2 from installation documentation

2005-11-22 Thread R Hill
Andrea Barisani wrote: At least let's draft a nice and visible document explaining the change and why people should not use this anymore since judging from the complaints lots of people just don't get it. I think that a lot of people use stage 1 because they're under the impression that they

[gentoo-dev] Re: Decision to remove stage1/2 from installation documentation

2005-11-22 Thread R Hill
Dan Meltzer wrote: On 11/22/05, R Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about someone on dialup who needs a rescue CD to boot into their system after they've trashed the MBR? 88MiB vs 14MiB is a big difference in this case. Erm, why would I need a stage 1 for a rescue cd? christ, i must

[gentoo-dev] Re: Distcc and SLP - request for testing

2005-11-20 Thread R Hill
Donnie Berkholz wrote: Our policy for X is that if upstream won't accept it, we won't either. Perhaps you'd be interested in adopting that and convincing the reported to get upstream interested? I remember trying that as an argument against the reiser4 patch for grub. Nobody seemed to agree

[gentoo-dev] Re: aging ebuilds with unstable keywords

2005-11-20 Thread R Hill
Daniel Ahlberg wrote: * if ebuild installs COPYING and/or INSTALL into doc. Is this actually important? There are a hell of a lot of ebuilds that fail under this rule. I'd like to start filing patches for some of the packages in this list so I'm interested in knowing what's worth fixing and

[gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 42 Critical News Reporting Round Two

2005-11-12 Thread R Hill
Dan Meltzer wrote: Forever. How about, as long as relevant? ;) --de. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

[gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 42 (Was: Getting Important Updates To Users)

2005-11-06 Thread R Hill
Jason Stubbs wrote: I seem to be repeating myself... What's an example of repository-specific non-package-specific news? Why does `emerge --changelog` not suffice for package-specific news? a) maintainers don't put important news in their changelogs. there are a few exceptions. gregkh's

[gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP ??: Critical News Reporting

2005-11-06 Thread R Hill
Nathan L. Adams wrote: Just keep in mind that portage is supposed to be non-interactive and most users like it that way. (Although the countdown when cleaning out old packages kinda breaks that idea, but I digress.) This must be some definition of the word interactive i'm not aware of. ;)

[gentoo-dev] Re: modular X - 7.0 RC1

2005-10-24 Thread R Hill
Donnie Berkholz wrote: Thanks to the dedicated work of Joshua Baergen and me, you've got just what you asked for -- newer X than even money can buy. Pound on it, test it, break it, and file bugs. Let us know how it works. You probably already know of it, but when following your modular-X

[gentoo-dev] Re: xorg-x11-7 emerge blocks

2005-10-24 Thread R Hill
Massimiliano Bellomo wrote: a lot of blocks by a phantom package xorg-x11-7 !! Any ideas ?? # echo x11-base/xorg-x11-6.8.2-r6 /etc/portage/profile/package.provided --de. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

[gentoo-dev] Re: Improved ebuild information

2005-10-10 Thread R Hill
Chris Gianelloni wrote: Here's my question... use.local.desc is already package-specific, so why would we need yet *another* place to put package-specific definitions? Would it not be enough to have use.local.desc overlay on use.desc? If package foo uses global USE flag bar in a way different

[gentoo-dev] Re: Improved ebuild information

2005-10-07 Thread R Hill
Martin Schlemmer wrote: On Sat, 2005-10-01 at 21:22 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: We've discussed adding this to metadata.xml a few times in the past, but every time there was opposition from a vocal minority of one who claimed that USE flags should always do exactly the same thing for every

[gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo Classes, a possible new method of spreading information

2005-10-07 Thread R Hill
Dan Meltzer wrote: Hello, I am a frequenter of #gentoo-*, as many of you know :) Tonight, hanging out in #gentoo, I observed a huge amount of incorrect information once again.. tonight about profiles, cascading and all that jazz, which to be honest is fairly undocumented. I decided to give a

[gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 41: Making Arch Testers official Gentoo Staff

2005-09-18 Thread R Hill
Homer Parker wrote: On Mon, 2005-09-12 at 18:47 -0400, Stephen P. Becker wrote: Let me clarify here. I'm not concerned about ATs having more privileges at all. I just want to know why if we're making them full developers for all intents and purposes, we don't go the extra step and get them

[gentoo-dev] Re: tentative x86 arch team glep

2005-09-05 Thread R Hill
On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 21:26:37 +0100, Stuart Herbert wrote: Why not talk to the package maintainers instead, and convince them that you need a different version marking maint instead? Why override (which, tbh, smacks of we arch teams know best, life would be better without package maintainers)

[gentoo-dev] Re: Re: tentative x86 arch team glep

2005-09-05 Thread R Hill
On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 12:02:02 -0500, Mike Doty wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 R Hill wrote: [snip] | How about the ATs cc the maintainer on the bug they file to get the pkg | bumped to stable, and giving them a period of time (48 hours? a week?) | in which to raise

[gentoo-dev] Re: tentative x86 arch team glep

2005-09-05 Thread R Hill
On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 21:09:28 +0100, Stuart Herbert wrote: Many *users* look on package.masked packages as being dangerous to install, but are much more willing to run ~arch packages. If you mask a version of a popular package, you'll get a lot of correspondence asking you when you'll unmask

[gentoo-dev] Re: Bugzilla handling for maintainer-wanted things

2005-08-20 Thread R Hill
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: I've been going through the EBUILD list at random and providing lists of things that need to be fixed before the ebuild can be considered for inclusion. The WONTFIX resolution along with a comment asking for the submitter to reopen with a fixed ebuild is used when problems

[gentoo-dev] Re: Bugzilla handling for maintainer-wanted things

2005-08-20 Thread R Hill
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Yeah, the lack of reopening powers is a problem. I'd rather this was solved by a) letting any authenticated user reopen any bug and, if necessary, b) allowing developers to lock bugs. Agreed. I've requested this before but haven't had any response. --de. --

[gentoo-dev] Re: Package version requiring sse

2005-08-06 Thread R Hill
Maurice van der Pot wrote: The new valgrind version (3.0.0) requires sse support. If you have a processor without sse, you'll need to stay at 2.4.1. To make people aware of this, I could use the sse use flag in 3.0.0 and die if it is not present, telling people to mask versions 3.0.0 and up

[gentoo-dev] Re: app-portage/genlop: 9 open bugs, dead upstream

2005-07-24 Thread R Hill
Christian Parpart wrote: On Sunday 24 July 2005 20:29, Ivan Yosifov wrote: What's up with genlop ? There are 9 open bugs, some including trivial fixes ( like #97049 ), the homepage http://pollycoke.org/genlop.html ( as listed in the ebuild ) is dead. If my understanding is correct, unmaintained

[gentoo-dev] Re: Proposal: pre-emerge advisories

2005-07-17 Thread R Hill
Craig Lawson wrote: Comments? This subject has also been brought up on the forum[1] very recently. There have been some interesting ideas and alternatives posed that seem workable. I was hoping some of the developers, if they have a moment, could consider and critique these suggestions so

[gentoo-dev] Re: Closing bugs [was: New Bugzilla HOWTO]

2005-07-10 Thread R Hill
Nathan L. Adams wrote: I'm assuming that this would only apply to cases where the dev has provided a fix (in most cases I assume they would have reproduced the problem). The reporter's test would have the benefits mentioned above, and if the Team Lead tested, they could review the fix for

[gentoo-dev] Re: New Developer: Joshua Baergen

2005-06-29 Thread R Hill
Mike Doty wrote: All- Please take a moment to welcome our newest developer, Josh_B. Josh is from Canada. Josh has joined to help out the X herd. In his own words, I'm originally from Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, but moved to Edmonton, Alberta in 1992. For the summer I am living in Sylvan

[gentoo-dev] Re: Pinboard of outdated ports

2005-05-25 Thread R Hill
Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Tue, 2005-05-24 at 14:44 -0600, R Hill wrote: Really? What does such a team do? They do exactly what is said above. They test ebuilds that are submitted. They also test patches and just about anything else that goes into bugzilla. Basically, they are a group

[gentoo-dev] Re: Pinboard of outdated ports

2005-05-24 Thread R Hill
Chris Gianelloni wrote: I dunno if it's really big work to have a look at one site to see if there are ebuilds you missed when they were updated. It was not my intention to make really more work. It was just to find a faster way for outdated ebuilds getting updated. There is really only one

[gentoo-dev] Re: UPGRADE complete bugs.gentoo.org

2005-05-20 Thread R Hill
Hello. Jeffrey Forman wrote: The upgrade for bugs.gentoo.org went exactly as I had planned for. Completed in under 20 minutes, which included this email. I've upgraded our Bugzilla from the old 2.18rc2 to 2.18.1. This fixes more security and code than I can even begin to mention. I have cleaned

[gentoo-dev] Re: i have an idea ! (erescue)

2005-05-18 Thread R Hill
Mike Frysinger wrote: my proposal is to implement a new utility (called 'erescue' for lack of a better name) that is written in C and designed to be statically linked ... then next time you break a core system package which cannot be recovered by simply running `emerge` a few times, you run

Re: [gentoo-dev] Another call for BugVoting on bugs.gentoo.org

2005-05-17 Thread R Hill
On 5/16/05, Alec Warner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 16 May 2005 19:45:05 -0400 Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] | On Monday 16 May 2005 07:08 pm, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | What, so that you can see which bugs a small but vocal group of | ricers are interested in rather than the ones

[gentoo-dev] Re: have_NPTL proposal/question

2005-05-12 Thread R Hill
Mike Frysinger wrote: On Wednesday 11 May 2005 05:20 pm, Francesco Riosa wrote: what we have: At the moment have_NPTL is defined in eclass/eutils.eclass, it compile a small test program to check if glibc have nptl support. hasnt this been outgrown ? people should `use nptl` now i think in fact

[gentoo-dev] Re: New category proposal

2005-05-08 Thread R Hill
Alin Nastac wrote: Hi folks, I think we should make a new category called app-cellphone containing the following packages: net-dialup/gammu net-dialup/gnokii net-dialup/wammu net-wireless/gnome-phone-manager Yes, I know. It is a short list, but shouldn't be a category representative for

[gentoo-dev] Re: The usefulness of test in FEATURES

2005-05-01 Thread R Hill
Georgi Georgiev wrote: maillog: 30/04/2005-13:43:42(-0600): R Hill types Maybe a way of lessening the annoyance of test failures would be having a way to resume the build at the install phase. I'm thinking of something similar the touch ${BUILDDIR}/.compiled trick. as it is, if you remove