Re: [gentoo-dev] reorganization of /var/lib gentoo-related files

2009-01-05 Thread Luca Barbato
Fabio Rossi wrote: I'm proposing to reorganize the files related to Gentoo inside /var/lib. Currently we have this situation (at least on my system): /var/lib/eselect /var/lib/gentoo/enews /var/lib/herdstat/ /var/lib/module-rebuild /var/lib/portage The main dir should be something like

Re: [gentoo-dev] reorganization of /var/lib gentoo-related files

2009-01-05 Thread Alec Warner
On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 1:15 PM, Luca Barbato lu_z...@gentoo.org wrote: Fabio Rossi wrote: I'm proposing to reorganize the files related to Gentoo inside /var/lib. Currently we have this situation (at least on my system): /var/lib/eselect /var/lib/gentoo/enews /var/lib/herdstat/

Re: [gentoo-dev] reorganization of /var/lib gentoo-related files

2009-01-01 Thread Maciej Mrozowski
On Wednesday 31 of December 2008 17:28:09 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:21:45 +0100 Maciej Mrozowski reave...@poczta.fm wrote: On Wednesday 31 of December 2008 16:57:12 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Gentoo does not comply with the FHS. It was established a long time ago that

Re: [gentoo-dev] reorganization of /var/lib gentoo-related files

2009-01-01 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 21:55:13 +0100 Maciej Mrozowski reave...@poczta.fm wrote: That being said I'd rather propose to force Gentoo news to comply to FHS as FHS is the most commonly used file/directory layout in Gentoo. No, FHS is not the most commonly used layout. The traditional Unix layout is

Re: [gentoo-dev] reorganization of /var/lib gentoo-related files

2009-01-01 Thread Alistair Bush
Maciej Mrozowski wrote: On Wednesday 31 of December 2008 17:28:09 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: You could use the same argument to say Gentoo must switch to RPM because LSB says so. No, I would be invalid argumentation - I know it - you know it, so let's not continue with discussion of this kind

Re: [gentoo-dev] reorganization of /var/lib gentoo-related files

2009-01-01 Thread Maciej Mrozowski
On Thursday 01 of January 2009 22:03:55 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: No, FHS is not the most commonly used layout. The traditional Unix layout is the most commonly used layout. So.. why not blindly use Unix layout everywhere instead (for Gentoo news as well) On Thursday 01 of January 2009 22:37:28

Re: [gentoo-dev] reorganization of /var/lib gentoo-related files

2009-01-01 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 23:07:08 +0100 Maciej Mrozowski reave...@poczta.fm wrote: On Thursday 01 of January 2009 22:03:55 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: No, FHS is not the most commonly used layout. The traditional Unix layout is the most commonly used layout. So.. why not blindly use Unix layout

Re: [gentoo-dev] reorganization of /var/lib gentoo-related files

2009-01-01 Thread Maciej Mrozowski
On Thursday 01 of January 2009 23:15:20 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 23:07:08 +0100 So.. why not blindly use Unix layout everywhere instead (for Gentoo news as well) We do. /var/lib/gentoo/news Seriously, find something useful to change. I realise it's hard around here to

Re: [gentoo-dev] reorganization of /var/lib gentoo-related files

2009-01-01 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 23:28:52 +0100 Maciej Mrozowski reave...@poczta.fm wrote: On Thursday 01 of January 2009 23:15:20 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 23:07:08 +0100 So.. why not blindly use Unix layout everywhere instead (for Gentoo news as well) We do.

Re: [gentoo-dev] reorganization of /var/lib gentoo-related files

2008-12-31 Thread Fabio Rossi
On Wednesday 31 December 2008, Marius Mauch wrote: Any reason for that? Aesthetics aren't a very compelling argument IMO, and the FHS also seems to favor the current layout (in my interpretation at least, as we're not really talking about inter-related applications in technical terms). I

Re: [gentoo-dev] reorganization of /var/lib gentoo-related files

2008-12-31 Thread Fabio Rossi
On Wednesday 31 December 2008, Philip Webb wrote: /var/lib/eselect -- here /var/lib/gentoo/enews /var/lib/herdstat/ /var/lib/module-rebuild -- here /var/lib/portage -- here It looks neater simpler to understand in the long run, provided it doesn't break anyone's

Re: [gentoo-dev] reorganization of /var/lib gentoo-related files

2008-12-31 Thread Marius Mauch
On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 10:55:39 +0100 Fabio Rossi ross...@inwind.it wrote: On Wednesday 31 December 2008, Marius Mauch wrote: Any reason for that? Aesthetics aren't a very compelling argument IMO, and the FHS also seems to favor the current layout (in my interpretation at least, as we're

Re: [gentoo-dev] reorganization of /var/lib gentoo-related files

2008-12-31 Thread Fabio Rossi
On Wednesday 31 December 2008, Marius Mauch wrote: The same could be said about /var/lib/init.d, /var/lib/dhcp, /var/lib/iptables or several other packages that aren't hosted by Gentoo. In the other direction, if the packages are eventually used on other distributions/systems, should they

Re: [gentoo-dev] reorganization of /var/lib gentoo-related files

2008-12-31 Thread Marius Mauch
On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 12:00:35 +0100 Fabio Rossi ross...@inwind.it wrote: On Wednesday 31 December 2008, Marius Mauch wrote: The same could be said about /var/lib/init.d, /var/lib/dhcp, /var/lib/iptables or several other packages that aren't hosted by Gentoo. In the other direction, if the

Re: [gentoo-dev] reorganization of /var/lib gentoo-related files

2008-12-31 Thread Fabio Rossi
On Wednesday 31 December 2008, Marius Mauch wrote: Well, the impact is about the same wether you want to change one or the other (btw, what about other admin tools on Gentoo, e.g. paludis/pkgcore, by your definition they'd also have to go into /var/lib/gentoo, right?) Yes. So you don't think

Re: [gentoo-dev] reorganization of /var/lib gentoo-related files

2008-12-31 Thread Santiago M. Mola
El mié, 31-12-2008 a las 15:33 +0100, Fabio Rossi escribió: On Wednesday 31 December 2008, Marius Mauch wrote: Well, the impact is about the same wether you want to change one or the other (btw, what about other admin tools on Gentoo, e.g. paludis/pkgcore, by your definition they'd also

Re: [gentoo-dev] reorganization of /var/lib gentoo-related files

2008-12-31 Thread schism
On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 12:00:35PM +0100, Fabio Rossi wrote: On Wednesday 31 December 2008, Marius Mauch wrote: The same could be said about /var/lib/init.d, /var/lib/dhcp, /var/lib/iptables or several other packages that aren't hosted by Gentoo. In the other direction, if the packages

Re: [gentoo-dev] reorganization of /var/lib gentoo-related files

2008-12-31 Thread Maciej Mrozowski
On Wednesday 31 of December 2008 15:33:14 Fabio Rossi wrote: Ok, but at the end we have an exception in the tree (/var/lib/gentoo/news/) which is not justified (looking at the current discussion). My proposal has arisen after having seen the /var/lib/gentoo/news/ hierarchy. Then it seems way

Re: [gentoo-dev] reorganization of /var/lib gentoo-related files

2008-12-31 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 16:53:27 +0100 Maciej Mrozowski reave...@poczta.fm wrote: On Wednesday 31 of December 2008 15:33:14 Fabio Rossi wrote: Ok, but at the end we have an exception in the tree (/var/lib/gentoo/news/) which is not justified (looking at the current discussion). My proposal has

Re: [gentoo-dev] reorganization of /var/lib gentoo-related files

2008-12-31 Thread Maciej Mrozowski
On Wednesday 31 of December 2008 16:57:12 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Gentoo does not comply with the FHS. It was established a long time ago that FHS is considered silly and any compliance is merely because the FHS people somehow managed to avoid screwing that particular area up. Well, we're not

Re: [gentoo-dev] reorganization of /var/lib gentoo-related files

2008-12-31 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:21:45 +0100 Maciej Mrozowski reave...@poczta.fm wrote: On Wednesday 31 of December 2008 16:57:12 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Gentoo does not comply with the FHS. It was established a long time ago that FHS is considered silly and any compliance is merely because the FHS

Re: [gentoo-dev] reorganization of /var/lib gentoo-related files

2008-12-30 Thread Marius Mauch
On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 01:12:23 +0100 Fabio Rossi ross...@inwind.it wrote: I'm proposing to reorganize the files related to Gentoo inside /var/lib. Currently we have this situation (at least on my system): /var/lib/eselect /var/lib/gentoo/enews /var/lib/herdstat/ /var/lib/module-rebuild

RE: [gentoo-dev] reorganization of /var/lib gentoo-related files

2008-12-30 Thread Sylvain Alain
Hi, this possible reorganization will impact how many packages and which one ? Thanks :P Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 03:31:12 +0100 From: gen...@gentoo.org To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] reorganization of /var/lib gentoo-related files On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 01:12:23

Re: [gentoo-dev] reorganization of /var/lib gentoo-related files

2008-12-30 Thread Philip Webb
081231 Fabio Rossi wrote: I'm proposing to reorganize the files related to Gentoo inside /var/lib. Currently we have this situation (at least on my system): /var/lib/eselect -- here /var/lib/gentoo/enews /var/lib/herdstat/ /var/lib/module-rebuild -- here /var/lib/portage --