Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [rfc] layman storage location (again)

2010-01-17 Thread Benedikt Böhm
On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 12:55 AM, Sebastian Pipping sp...@gentoo.org wrote: On 01/16/10 23:46, Benedikt Böhm wrote: One thing all you /usr naggers forget is, that /var cannot be shared read-only via nfs (or bind mounts in case of virtual servers). Why is that?  Please tell more. Maybe you

Re: [gentoo-dev] adding a modification timestamp to the installed pkgs database (vdb)

2010-01-17 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
2010/1/12 Brian Harring ferri...@gmail.com: There's no discussion because Brian refuses to address any comments on the proposal and just says we should do it anyway, and if you want it done properly instead, do it yourself. This is a bit of bullshit, per the norm.  There is plenty of

Re: [gentoo-dev] [rfc] layman storage location (again)

2010-01-17 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
2010/1/15 Sebastian Pipping sp...@gentoo.org: By default layman currently stores overlays into  /usr/local/portage/layman (was /usr/portage/local/layman before that). As of bug 253725 [1] that's not without problems. I would like to get it right with the next switch. I realise this is a

Re: [gentoo-dev] adding a modification timestamp to the installed pkgs database (vdb)

2010-01-17 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
2010/1/17 Tobias Klausmann klaus...@gentoo.org: No, we'd not do it that way. If we're ditching VDB, the only sane way to do it is to ditch it with an rm -fr when creating the new layout. Keeping two sets of data around is going to lead to breakage no matter how well we do things. Please also

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: adding a modification timestamp to the installed pkgs database (vdb)

2010-01-17 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
2010/1/17 Christian Faulhammer fa...@gentoo.org: Ciaran McCreesh ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com:  As much as you love to have the new and shiny VDB2, it is far off. Prototyping and drafting implementations would be great to have some base where we can discuss on (in a civil manner).  So having

[gentoo-dev] LibGL.la removal news item for =eselect-opengl-1.1.1-r2 going stable

2010-01-17 Thread Tomáš Chvátal
Howdy guys, please review the attached file and suggest updates to in. I was asked for this thing going stable due to its being dependency of new nvidia-drivers. Also this thing is probably blocker for the bug on eselect-opengl i just opened: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=301271 Cheers

Re: [gentoo-dev] [rfc] layman storage location (again)

2010-01-17 Thread Lars Wendler
Am Samstag 16 Januar 2010 19:26:04 schrieb Sebastian Pipping: On 01/16/10 13:56, Ben de Groot wrote: anybody objecting to /var/layman ? I like that. it seems that /var/layman is the only location nobody has objected to, yet. i plan to go with that atm. /var/lib/layman is my

Re: [gentoo-dev] LibGL.la removal news item for =eselect-opengl-1.1.1-r2 going stable

2010-01-17 Thread Ben de Groot
2010/1/17 Paweł Hajdan, Jr. phajdan...@gentoo.org: I wonder why the affected package (eselect-opengl) couldn't run lafilefixer itself. It's mandatory for all users, and would save a lot of frustration. Indeed. You can simply have this version of eselect-opengl depend on lafilefixer and run it

Re: [gentoo-dev] [rfc] layman storage location (again)

2010-01-17 Thread Sebastian Pipping
On 01/17/10 10:01, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: I realise this is a lost cause, but... Repositories are databases, so /var/db/ is your friend. Right, that's a way you can see it. Does anyone _strongly_ prefer /var/db/layman over /var/layman ? Sebastian

Re: [gentoo-dev] LibGL.la removal news item for =eselect-opengl-1.1.1-r2 going stable

2010-01-17 Thread Paweł Hajdan, Jr.
On 1/17/10 6:57 PM, Vaeth wrote: On Sun, 17 Jan 2010, Paweł Hajdan, Jr. wrote: I wonder why the affected package (eselect-opengl) couldn't run lafilefixer itself. It's mandatory for all users, and would save a lot of frustration. It is not mandatory: You could as well re-emerge the affected

Re: [gentoo-dev] LibGL.la removal news item for =eselect-opengl-1.1.1-r2 going stable

2010-01-17 Thread Krzysiek Pawlik
On 01/17/10 18:20, Paweł Hajdan, Jr. wrote: Please: When you run tools which break checksums/dates of the database, give the user the possibility to decide whether he really wants this. Good point, I didn't realize that. However, I'd rather fix the tool (for example to update the portage

Re: [gentoo-dev] LibGL.la removal news item for =eselect-opengl-1.1.1-r2 going stable

2010-01-17 Thread Paweł Hajdan, Jr.
On 1/17/10 7:28 PM, Krzysiek Pawlik wrote: On 01/17/10 18:20, Paweł Hajdan, Jr. wrote: Please: When you run tools which break checksums/dates of the database, give the user the possibility to decide whether he really wants this. Good point, I didn't realize that. However, I'd rather fix the

Re: [gentoo-dev] LibGL.la removal news item for =eselect-opengl-1.1.1-r2 going stable

2010-01-17 Thread Max Arnold
Please: When you run tools which break checksums/dates of the database, give the user the possibility to decide whether he really wants this. Good point, I didn't realize that. However, I'd rather fix the tool (for example to update the portage database). On the other hand, I really

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: net-nntp/inn

2010-01-17 Thread Thilo Bangert
Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org said: I think we have a bigger problem with packages that have a maintainer, at least nominally, but said maintainer does not actually maintain the package anymore. full ack. i was thinking that maybe we need an 'easy-fix' team, which can do all the easy fixes,

Re: [gentoo-dev] [rfc] layman storage location (again)

2010-01-17 Thread Thilo Bangert
Ciaran McCreesh ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com said: I realise this is a lost cause, but... Repositories are databases, so /var/db/ is your friend. i like it. Closely followed by /var/lib/layman... wikipedia says in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard /var/lib/

[gentoo-dev] RFC: don't define ebeep and epause in eutils in EAPI 3

2010-01-17 Thread Petteri Räty
With GLEP 42 and proper logging of e* messages I think we shouldn't annoy users any more with ebeep or epause so attached is a patch only defines these functions for EAPIs 0, 1 and 2. Anyone have a reason to keep these around for EAPI 3? If not I will apply the attached patch. Regards, Petteri

[gentoo-dev] Election for the Gentoo Council empty seat results (council200912)

2010-01-17 Thread Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
Hello fellow devs, users and Gentoo community, in this election we received 87 valid ballots from a total of 260 voters, which means we had a 33.462% turnout. Without much ado, Tomas Chvatal (scarabeus) was elected to the council. The full ranked list for this election is: scarabeus patrick

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: net-nntp/inn

2010-01-17 Thread Richard Freeman
On 01/17/2010 03:20 PM, Thilo Bangert wrote: Ben de Grootyng...@gentoo.org said: I think we have a bigger problem with packages that have a maintainer, at least nominally, but said maintainer does not actually maintain the package anymore. full ack. i was thinking that maybe we need an

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: don't define ebeep and epause in eutils in EAPI 3

2010-01-17 Thread Tomáš Chvátal
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dne 17.1.2010 21:38, Petteri Räty napsal(a): With GLEP 42 and proper logging of e* messages I think we shouldn't annoy users any more with ebeep or epause so attached is a patch only defines these functions for EAPIs 0, 1 and 2. Anyone have a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: net-nntp/inn

2010-01-17 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Sunday 17 January 2010 15:20:46 Thilo Bangert wrote: Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org said: I think we have a bigger problem with packages that have a maintainer, at least nominally, but said maintainer does not actually maintain the package anymore. full ack. i was thinking that maybe

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: don't define ebeep and epause in eutils in EAPI 3

2010-01-17 Thread David Leverton
On Sunday 17 January 2010 20:38:48 Petteri Räty wrote: With GLEP 42 and proper logging of e* messages I think we shouldn't annoy users any more with ebeep or epause so attached is a patch only defines these functions for EAPIs 0, 1 and 2. Anyone have a reason to keep these around for EAPI 3?

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: don't define ebeep and epause in eutils in EAPI 3

2010-01-17 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Sunday 17 January 2010 16:12:29 David Leverton wrote: On Sunday 17 January 2010 20:38:48 Petteri Räty wrote: With GLEP 42 and proper logging of e* messages I think we shouldn't annoy users any more with ebeep or epause so attached is a patch only defines these functions for EAPIs 0, 1

[gentoo-dev] how to indicate co-maintainers welcome?

2010-01-17 Thread Thilo Bangert
Sebastian Pipping [snip] said: [snip] i chose maintainer-wanted to indicate that co-maintainers and non-maintainer-bumps are welcome. what valid means can i use to send such a message, instead? i dont know of any. i generally assume all packages are looking for more maintainers, but that

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: net-nntp/inn

2010-01-17 Thread Thilo Bangert
Mike Frysinger vap...@gentoo.org said: On Sunday 17 January 2010 15:20:46 Thilo Bangert wrote: Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org said: I think we have a bigger problem with packages that have a maintainer, at least nominally, but said maintainer does not actually maintain the package

Re: [gentoo-dev] how to indicate co-maintainers welcome?

2010-01-17 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Sunday 17 January 2010 17:12:27 Thilo Bangert wrote: Sebastian Pipping [snip] said: [snip] i chose maintainer-wanted to indicate that co-maintainers and non-maintainer-bumps are welcome. what valid means can i use to send such a message, instead? i dont know of any. i generally

[gentoo-dev] Automated Package Removal and Addition Tracker, for the week ending 2010-01-17 23h59 UTC

2010-01-17 Thread Robin H. Johnson
The attached list notes all of the packages that were added or removed from the tree, for the week ending 2010-01-17 23h59 UTC. Removals: app-i18n/ibus-table-additional 2010-01-13 13:52:38 matsuu app-i18n/ibus-table-jyutping2010-01-13

Re: [gentoo-dev] [rfc] layman storage location (again)

2010-01-17 Thread Sebastian Pipping
On 01/17/10 21:31, Thilo Bangert wrote: /var/layman i dislike due to this sentence in the FHS: Applications must generally not add directories to the top level of /var. Such directories should only be added if they have some system-wide implication[...] isn't a package tree somehow

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: net-nntp/inn

2010-01-17 Thread Ben de Groot
2010/1/17 Thilo Bangert bang...@gentoo.org: no - i wasn't talking about maintainer-needed bugs. it is my impression, that many apparently maintained packages have simple bugs lingering for extended periods of time. Fx. users reporting bugs AND supplying fixes, ready to be committed. i dont

Re: [gentoo-dev] [rfc] layman storage location (again)

2010-01-17 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Sunday 17 January 2010 15:31:26 Thilo Bangert wrote: Ciaran McCreesh ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com said: I realise this is a lost cause, but... Repositories are databases, so /var/db/ is your friend. i like it. Closely followed by /var/lib/layman... wikipedia says in

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: net-nntp/inn

2010-01-17 Thread Richard Freeman
On 01/17/2010 08:23 PM, Ben de Groot wrote: What about something like: if a bug has been open for 2 months without any apparent maintainer activity, anyone can step in and commit a fix? How about - anybody at any time can at their discretion post a comment in a bug asking if there are

Re: [gentoo-dev] [rfc] layman storage location (again)

2010-01-17 Thread Ulrich Mueller
On Mon, 18 Jan 2010, Sebastian Pipping wrote: isn't a package tree somehow having system-wide implications? i'm not really sure about /var/db - doesn't seem to be in FHS. is a package tree a database? This depends on your definition of database. At least some parts of the tree (like the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Support for multiple ABIs for amd64 (64bit,32bit) in multilib overlay

2010-01-17 Thread Denis Dupeyron
(I'm resending this email as the original apparently did not make it to the list, although Thomas probably received it) Hi Thomas, I'm replying to the original thread below to allow those who have missed it to have the full context. On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 5:37 AM, Thomas Sachau

[gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: don't define ebeep and epause in eutils in EAPI 3

2010-01-17 Thread Torsten Veller
* Mike Frysinger vap...@gentoo.org: On Sunday 17 January 2010 16:12:29 David Leverton wrote: On Sunday 17 January 2010 20:38:48 Petteri Räty wrote: With GLEP 42 and proper logging of e* messages I think we shouldn't annoy users any more with ebeep or epause so attached is a patch only

[gentoo-portage-dev] [PATCH] Add support to Mercurial SCM in bin/repoman

2010-01-17 Thread Rafael Martins
This patch adds support to the Mercurial SCM [1] in repoman. [1] - http://mercurial.selenic.com/ Best Regards, -- Rafael Goncalves Martins http://rafaelmartins.eng.br Index: bin/repoman === --- bin/repoman (revision 15200) +++

[gentoo-portage-dev] Re: [PATCH] Add support to Mercurial SCM in bin/repoman

2010-01-17 Thread Rafael Martins
I'm re-sending the patch, with a small fix. Please disregard the previous patch. Sorry. -- Rafael Goncalves Martins http://rafaelmartins.eng.br Index: bin/repoman === --- bin/repoman (revision 15200) +++ bin/repoman (working copy)

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] Re: [PATCH] Add support to Mercurial SCM in bin/repoman

2010-01-17 Thread Brian Harring
On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 08:46:24PM -0200, Rafael Martins wrote: I'm re-sending the patch, with a small fix. Please disregard the previous patch. Might I suggest breaking classes out for each syncer rather then continuing the huge and nasty giant if/elif ? Certainly would make it easier to