On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 11:27 PM, Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 21 January 2013 12:16, Peter Stuge pe...@stuge.se wrote:
Panagiotis Christopoulos wrote:
I don't build server machines every day, others do and it would be
much appreciated if they could respond here.
I build
On 23:47 Sat 19 Jan , Walter Dnes wrote:
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On a lark, I once tried the default/linux/x86/10.0 profile for a
re-install on my netbook without -*. I soon ended up with more -
entries in make.conf and package.use, than I have add-on entries when
using -*. And I was only half-way
Panagiotis Christopoulos wrote:
I don't build server machines every day, others do and it would be
much appreciated if they could respond here.
I build catalyst stage4s. Any default profiles are kindof pointless
for me; I have USE=-* and the flags that I want.
Anything else seems a bit too
On 21 January 2013 12:16, Peter Stuge pe...@stuge.se wrote:
Panagiotis Christopoulos wrote:
I don't build server machines every day, others do and it would be
much appreciated if they could respond here.
I build catalyst stage4s. Any default profiles are kindof pointless
for me; I have
On Mon, 21 Jan 2013 13:27:18 +0800
Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 21 January 2013 12:16, Peter Stuge pe...@stuge.se wrote:
Panagiotis Christopoulos wrote:
I don't build server machines every day, others do and it would be
much appreciated if they could respond here.
I build
On 19 January 2013 08:01, Christopher Head ch...@chead.ca wrote:
I understand that enabling flags only affects packages if they’re
installed. I’m just saying that, in my opinion, sane-but-minimal should
have CUPS disabled because there are plenty of computers that would
want LibreOffice and/or
On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 3:26 AM, Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote:
People who do have printers can always enable it themselves. I don't
see any reason for cups to be enabled by default, especially not on a
minimal profile, and that includes the simple desktop profile. The kde
and gnome
On 19 January 2013 18:26, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 3:26 AM, Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote:
People who do have printers can always enable it themselves. I don't
see any reason for cups to be enabled by default, especially not on a
minimal profile, and
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On 19/01/13 05:47 AM, Ben de Groot wrote:
Actually, that is what I would expect from the more basic
oriented ones like Arch and Debian. Printer support should be an
optional add-on, not part of the basic install. Maybe I'm too
idealistic...
On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 07:09:29AM -0500, Michael Mol wrote
On Jan 17, 2013 3:35 AM, Dirkjan Ochtman d...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 3:23 AM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org
wrote:
If someone wants a *REALLY* basic system, they can start off with
USE=-* and add on
On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 00:36:18 +0100
Andreas K. Huettel dilfri...@gentoo.org wrote:
Hi,
several people have pointed out to me that the 10.0 - 13.0 transition would
be a good moment to finally remove the (also in my opinion rather useless)
server profiles.
The easiest way to do this
On Thu, 17 Jan 2013 15:02:48 -0500
Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
We might be talking past each other. Sane but minimal is the target.
Bottom line is that the question isn't whether a minimal system should
have CUPS installed (that would be an argument for putting it in
@system -
On 1/16/2013 11:32, Alexis Ballier wrote:
Other option: kill the server subprofiles, keep profiles/target/server
and let people finally set /etc/make.profile as a dir and play with
multiple inheritance. We don't need dozens of subprofiles with only
eapi and parent files in them...
A.
I would
On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 3:23 AM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote:
If someone wants a *REALLY* basic system, they can start off with
USE=-* and add on stuff as necessary when portage complains and/or
ebuilds break. That's what I'd recommend to someone wanting to set up a
basic server
On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 12:59 AM, Andreas K. Huettel
dilfri...@gentoo.org wrote:
my 2ct:
* dri and cups should probably be moved to desktop profile
* pppd is a local useflag and should be enabled by default in the capi ebuild
Definitely agree. Can we make these changes?
Cheers,
Dirkjan
On Jan 17, 2013 3:35 AM, Dirkjan Ochtman d...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 3:23 AM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org
wrote:
If someone wants a *REALLY* basic system, they can start off with
USE=-* and add on stuff as necessary when portage complains and/or
ebuilds break.
On 01/17/2013 12:32 AM, Dustin C. Hatch wrote:
On 1/16/2013 11:32, Alexis Ballier wrote:
Other option: kill the server subprofiles, keep profiles/target/server
and let people finally set /etc/make.profile as a dir and play with
multiple inheritance. We don't need dozens of subprofiles with
On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 22:17:26 -0500
Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
Oh, and keep in mind that flags really only have an effect if the
corresponding packages are actually installed. For example, the cups
flag doesn't really have an effect unless you install apps that do
printing, so it
On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Christopher Head ch...@chead.ca wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 22:17:26 -0500
Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
Oh, and keep in mind that flags really only have an effect if the
corresponding packages are actually installed. For example, the cups
flag doesn't
On Thu, 17 Jan 2013 14:32:01 -0500
Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
Sure, I can think of reasons why I would want chromium with -cups, but
the whole point is to target the TYPICAL user. And the context here
is servers - how many servers would have chromium installed with
-cups? If
On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 2:56 PM, Christopher Head ch...@chead.ca wrote:
On Thu, 17 Jan 2013 14:32:01 -0500
Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
Sure, I can think of reasons why I would want chromium with -cups, but
the whole point is to target the TYPICAL user. And the context here
is
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On 01/17/2013 08:02 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 2:56 PM, Christopher Head ch...@chead.ca
wrote:
On Thu, 17 Jan 2013 14:32:01 -0500 Rich Freeman
ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
Sure, I can think of reasons why I would want chromium
On 16 January 2013 04:20, Sergey Popov pinkb...@gentoo.org wrote:
16.01.2013 03:36, Andreas K. Huettel wrote:
Hi,
several people have pointed out to me that the 10.0 - 13.0 transition would
be a good moment to finally remove the (also in my opinion rather useless)
server profiles.
The
On 00:36 Wed 16 Jan , Andreas K. Huettel wrote:
several people have pointed out to me that the 10.0 - 13.0 transition would
be a good moment to finally remove the (also in my opinion rather useless)
server profiles.
The server profiles are not useless, if we can maintain them, and if
On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 8:32 AM, Panagiotis Christopoulos
pchr...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 00:36 Wed 16 Jan , Andreas K. Huettel wrote:
several people have pointed out to me that the 10.0 - 13.0 transition would
be a good moment to finally remove the (also in my opinion rather useless)
server
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On 01/16/2013 08:32 AM, Panagiotis Christopoulos wrote:
On 00:36 Wed 16 Jan , Andreas K. Huettel wrote:
several people have pointed out to me that the 10.0 - 13.0 transition would
be a good moment to finally remove the (also in my opinion
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On 16/01/13 08:32 AM, Panagiotis Christopoulos wrote:
On 00:36 Wed 16 Jan , Andreas K. Huettel wrote:
several people have pointed out to me that the 10.0 - 13.0
transition would be a good moment to finally remove the (also in
my opinion
Other option: kill the server subprofiles, keep profiles/target/server
and let people finally set /etc/make.profile as a dir and play with
multiple inheritance. We don't need dozens of subprofiles with only
eapi and parent files in them...
A.
On 16 January 2013 22:16, Rick Zero_Chaos Farina zeroch...@gentoo.org wrote:
We have a base profile, we have a desktop profile... wouldn't that make
the base the minimal profile that would likely be fit for a server? If
not, we really should move that way. Having a base, desktop, and server
On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 8:16 AM, Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote:
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On 16/01/13 08:32 AM, Panagiotis Christopoulos wrote:
On 00:36 Wed 16 Jan , Andreas K. Huettel wrote:
several people have pointed out to me that the 10.0 - 13.0
On 01/16/2013 01:18 PM, Doug Goldstein wrote:
On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 8:16 AM, Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 16/01/13 08:32 AM, Panagiotis Christopoulos wrote:
On 00:36 Wed 16 Jan , Andreas K. Huettel wrote:
several people have pointed out to me that the 10.0 - 13.0
On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 2:18 PM, Doug Goldstein car...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 8:16 AM, Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote:
2 - the only difference between server profiles and the base profile
is USE=+snmp and maybe one other flag
USE=-perl -python snmp truetype xml
As
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On 01/16/2013 08:12 AM, Michael Mol wrote:
On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 8:32 AM, Panagiotis Christopoulos
pchr...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 00:36 Wed 16 Jan , Andreas K. Huettel wrote:
several people have pointed out to me that the 10.0 - 13.0
On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 3:01 PM, Mike Gilbert flop...@gentoo.org wrote:
As has been pointed out previously, the base profile does not set
USE=perl python, so negating those flags in the server profile does
basically nothing. If certain packages have IUSE=+perl +python it
might make a
Am Mittwoch, 16. Januar 2013, 00:36:18 schrieb Andreas K. Huettel:
Hi,
several people have pointed out to me that the 10.0 - 13.0 transition
would be a good moment to finally remove the (also in my opinion rather
useless) server profiles.
OK, I consider this consensus enough.
[One nay
On 22:14 Wed 16 Jan , Andreas K. Huettel wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 16. Januar 2013, 00:36:18 schrieb Andreas K. Huettel:
OK, I consider this consensus enough.
...
Being the one that does the work, the server profiles are disappearing in
13.0.
Err, ok, so now guys, we 're offering a
I think we agree that the last state of the server profiles was not useful. So
let's discuss what would be useful. For the medium-term future, not for this
current step now.
Err, ok, so now guys, we 're offering a base profile* with dri, cups, gmp,
fortran and pppd(?) enabled, at the same
On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 12:59:11AM +0100, Andreas K. Huettel wrote
Sure a server is something generic, too. However, since you mentioned
mysql above, how about a postgres server? Or a web server using a
daemon different from apache? :)
This is why I think (as others) a server profile
On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 5:53 PM, Panagiotis Christopoulos
pchr...@gentoo.org wrote:
Err, ok, so now guys, we 're offering a base profile* with dri, cups, gmp,
fortran and pppd(?) enabled, at the same time openmp enabled but threads
disabled, no sockets, no caps no apache2 or mysql that I would
Hi,
several people have pointed out to me that the 10.0 - 13.0 transition would
be a good moment to finally remove the (also in my opinion rather useless)
server profiles.
The easiest way to do this would be to
* just not copy the server profiles from 10.0 to 13.0 and
* have the
On 16/01/13 01:36, Andreas K. Huettel wrote:
Hi,
several people have pointed out to me that the 10.0 - 13.0 transition would
be a good moment to finally remove the (also in my opinion rather useless)
server profiles.
The easiest way to do this would be to
* just not copy the server profiles
16.01.2013 03:36, Andreas K. Huettel wrote:
Hi,
several people have pointed out to me that the 10.0 - 13.0 transition would
be a good moment to finally remove the (also in my opinion rather useless)
server profiles.
The easiest way to do this would be to
* just not copy the server
On 1/15/13 3:36 PM, Andreas K. Huettel wrote:
several people have pointed out to me that the 10.0 - 13.0 transition would
be a good moment to finally remove the (also in my opinion rather useless)
server profiles.
The easiest way to do this would be to
* just not copy the server
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