Re: [gentoo-hardened] hardened profile for desktops?

2012-06-11 Thread Anthony G. Basile
On 06/11/2012 01:20 AM, Javier Juan Martínez Cabezón wrote: On 11/06/12 04:26, Jens Kasten wrote: Am 2012-06-08 22:32, schrieb Javier Juan Martínez Cabezón: On 08/06/12 21:40, Kevin Chadwick wrote: On Fri, 8 Jun 2012 16:06:37 +0300 Alex Efros wrote: Actually, I see no reasons to NOT use

Re: [gentoo-hardened] hardened profile for desktops?

2012-06-10 Thread Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera (klondike)
El 08/06/12 09:44, Grant escribió: I started a discussion on gentoo-user about the fact that the hardened profile appears to only be for servers and not desktops. I thought I'd check with you guys on this. Is that the case? I have been using Gentoo on Desktop systems for some time, mainly

Re: [gentoo-hardened] hardened profile for desktops?

2012-06-10 Thread Jens Kasten
Am 2012-06-08 22:32, schrieb Javier Juan Martínez Cabezón: On 08/06/12 21:40, Kevin Chadwick wrote: On Fri, 8 Jun 2012 16:06:37 +0300 Alex Efros wrote: Actually, I see no reasons to NOT use hardened on desktops. Maybe many more would if there was an easy and quick to install and maintain

Re: [gentoo-hardened] hardened profile for desktops?

2012-06-10 Thread Javier Juan Martínez Cabezón
On 11/06/12 04:26, Jens Kasten wrote: Am 2012-06-08 22:32, schrieb Javier Juan Martínez Cabezón: On 08/06/12 21:40, Kevin Chadwick wrote: On Fri, 8 Jun 2012 16:06:37 +0300 Alex Efros wrote: Actually, I see no reasons to NOT use hardened on desktops. Maybe many more would if there was

Re: [gentoo-hardened] hardened profile for desktops?

2012-06-09 Thread Anthony G. Basile
On 06/08/2012 12:34 PM, Javier Juan Martínez Cabezón wrote: On 08/06/12 17:35, Anthony G. Basile wrote: Only critical bug is broken VMware/VirtualBox on amd64+hardened. This one is a moving target. Sometimes broken, times fixed. kvm is working very well of late. Uh!, even with kernexec,

Re: [gentoo-hardened] hardened profile for desktops?

2012-06-09 Thread Kevin Chadwick
On Fri, 08 Jun 2012 22:37:49 +0200 Javier Juan Martínez Cabezón wrote: Excuse me it was trusted deban not hardened debian... Hardened debian died off in 2004 it seems and looks like it was a kernel version issue, though I'm skeptical of that. http://www.debian-hardened.org/

Re: [gentoo-hardened] hardened profile for desktops?

2012-06-09 Thread Matthew Thode
On 06/08/2012 11:34 AM, Javier Juan Martínez Cabezón wrote: On 08/06/12 17:35, Anthony G. Basile wrote: Only critical bug is broken VMware/VirtualBox on amd64+hardened. This one is a moving target. Sometimes broken, times fixed. kvm is working very well of late. Uh!, even with

Re: [gentoo-hardened] hardened profile for desktops?

2012-06-09 Thread Matthew Thode
On 06/08/2012 02:44 AM, Grant wrote: I started a discussion on gentoo-user about the fact that the hardened profile appears to only be for servers and not desktops. I thought I'd check with you guys on this. Is that the case? - Grant Running gentoo hardened on all my systems

[gentoo-hardened] hardened profile for desktops?

2012-06-08 Thread Grant
I started a discussion on gentoo-user about the fact that the hardened profile appears to only be for servers and not desktops. I thought I'd check with you guys on this. Is that the case? - Grant

Re: [gentoo-hardened] hardened profile for desktops?

2012-06-08 Thread Vinícius Ferrão
Well, it's rare to see Gentoo on servers. But all my servers that runs Gentoo (only two actually) are using the hardened version. I never used hardened on Desktop systems. Sent from my iPhone On 08/06/2012, at 04:44, Grant emailgr...@gmail.com wrote: I started a discussion on gentoo-user

Re: [gentoo-hardened] hardened profile for desktops?

2012-06-08 Thread Alex Efros
Hi! On Fri, Jun 08, 2012 at 12:44:26AM -0700, Grant wrote: I started a discussion on gentoo-user about the fact that the hardened profile appears to only be for servers and not desktops. I thought I'd check with you guys on this. Is that the case? I'm using hardened on desktop in last ~6-7

Re: [gentoo-hardened] hardened profile for desktops?

2012-06-08 Thread Pavel Labushev
On Fri, 8 Jun 2012 00:44:26 -0700 Grant emailgr...@gmail.com wrote: I started a discussion on gentoo-user about the fact that the hardened profile appears to only be for servers and not desktops. I thought I'd check with you guys on this. Is that the case? I never used non-hardened linux on

Re: [gentoo-hardened] hardened profile for desktops?

2012-06-08 Thread Aaron W. Swenson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 06/08/2012 04:34 AM, Alex Efros wrote: Hi! On Fri, Jun 08, 2012 at 12:44:26AM -0700, Grant wrote: I started a discussion on gentoo-user about the fact that the hardened profile appears to only be for servers and not desktops. I thought I'd

Re: [gentoo-hardened] hardened profile for desktops?

2012-06-08 Thread Alex Efros
Hi! On Fri, Jun 08, 2012 at 07:15:40AM -0400, Aaron W. Swenson wrote: I started a discussion on gentoo-user about the fact that the hardened profile appears to only be for servers and not desktops. I thought I'd check with you guys on this. Is that the case? Actually, I see no reasons to

Re: [gentoo-hardened] hardened profile for desktops?

2012-06-08 Thread Radek Madej
Hi On 06/08/12 07:44, Grant wrote: I started a discussion on gentoo-user about the fact that the hardened profile appears to only be for servers and not desktops. I thought I'd check with you guys on this. Is that the case? I'm using hardened on 3 laptops and 1 desktop, more or less on a

Re: [gentoo-hardened] hardened profile for desktops?

2012-06-08 Thread Kerwin Hui
On Fri, 08 Jun 2012 07:15:40 -0400 Aaron W. Swenson titanof...@gentoo.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 06/08/2012 04:34 AM, Alex Efros wrote: Hi! On Fri, Jun 08, 2012 at 12:44:26AM -0700, Grant wrote: I started a discussion on gentoo-user about the fact

Re: [gentoo-hardened] hardened profile for desktops?

2012-06-08 Thread Anthony G. Basile
On 06/08/2012 03:44 AM, Grant wrote: I started a discussion on gentoo-user about the fact that the hardened profile appears to only be for servers and not desktops. I thought I'd check with you guys on this. Is that the case? - Grant I would have no problems with that statement except that

Re: [gentoo-hardened] hardened profile for desktops?

2012-06-08 Thread Anthony G. Basile
On 06/08/2012 09:06 AM, Alex Efros wrote: Hi! On Fri, Jun 08, 2012 at 07:15:40AM -0400, Aaron W. Swenson wrote: I started a discussion on gentoo-user about the fact that the hardened profile appears to only be for servers and not desktops. I thought I'd check with you guys on this. Is that

Re: [gentoo-hardened] hardened profile for desktops?

2012-06-08 Thread Javier Juan Martínez Cabezón
On 08/06/12 17:35, Anthony G. Basile wrote: Only critical bug is broken VMware/VirtualBox on amd64+hardened. This one is a moving target. Sometimes broken, times fixed. kvm is working very well of late. Uh!, even with kernexec, uderef, mprotect etc etc etc, with both hardened host and

Re: [gentoo-hardened] hardened profile for desktops?

2012-06-08 Thread Javier Juan Martínez Cabezón
On 08/06/12 13:15, Aaron W. Swenson wrote: On 06/08/2012 04:34 AM, Alex Efros wrote: Hi! On Fri, Jun 08, 2012 at 12:44:26AM -0700, Grant wrote: I started a discussion on gentoo-user about the fact that the hardened profile appears to only be for servers and not desktops. I thought I'd

Re: [gentoo-hardened] hardened profile for desktops?

2012-06-08 Thread Alex Efros
Hi! On Fri, Jun 08, 2012 at 11:35:28AM -0400, Anthony G. Basile wrote: Only critical bug is broken VMware/VirtualBox on amd64+hardened. This one is a moving target. Sometimes broken, times fixed. kvm is working very well of late. KVM is able to run Win7 and MacOS with speed comparable

Re: [gentoo-hardened] hardened profile for desktops?

2012-06-08 Thread Kevin Chadwick
On Fri, 8 Jun 2012 16:06:37 +0300 Alex Efros wrote: Actually, I see no reasons to NOT use hardened on desktops. Maybe many more would if there was an easy and quick to install and maintain compiled distro. More users more compatibility too, I'd guess. Not suggesting there should be, just

Re: [gentoo-hardened] hardened profile for desktops?

2012-06-08 Thread Javier Juan Martínez Cabezón
On 08/06/12 21:40, Kevin Chadwick wrote: On Fri, 8 Jun 2012 16:06:37 +0300 Alex Efros wrote: Actually, I see no reasons to NOT use hardened on desktops. Maybe many more would if there was an easy and quick to install and maintain compiled distro. More users more compatibility too, I'd

Re: [gentoo-hardened] hardened profile for desktops?

2012-06-08 Thread Javier Juan Martínez Cabezón
On 08/06/12 21:40, Kevin Chadwick wrote: On Fri, 8 Jun 2012 16:06:37 +0300 Alex Efros wrote: Actually, I see no reasons to NOT use hardened on desktops. Maybe many more would if there was an easy and quick to install and maintain compiled distro. More users more compatibility too, I'd

Re: [gentoo-hardened] hardened profile for desktops?

2012-06-08 Thread Tóth Attila
I for one used Trusted Debian / Adamantix before Hardened Gentoo. It was a distro of choice based on Debian and promoted SSP and PaX-enabled kernels. The main problem was, that it practically remained a one man project, led by Peter Busser. After some time - probably due to the lack of enough

Re: [gentoo-hardened] hardened profile for desktops?

2012-06-08 Thread Tóth Attila
2012.Június 8.(P) 23:52 időpontban Tóth Attila ezt írta: I think Hardened Gentoo install is not substantially more complicated to install compared to a regular Gentoo install nowdays. It would be the recommended first distro for a newbie. If there would be some popular commodity Gentoo-based