Re: [gentoo-user] Re: about the 2007.1

2007-11-08 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 13:05:18 +, Guanqun Lu wrote: We can't expect that all the Gentoo users should be a linux geek first, and then have a try on Gentoo linux sytem. Why not? Gentoo is aimed at more experienced users, Linux novices are already amply catered

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: about the 2007.1

2007-11-08 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 13:05:18 +, Guanqun Lu wrote: We can't expect that all the Gentoo users should be a linux geek first, and then have a try on Gentoo linux sytem. Why not? Gentoo is aimed at more experienced users, Linux novices are already amply catered for by other distros. I would

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: about the 2007.1

2007-11-08 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 02:24:49 + (UTC), James wrote: All you have said presupposes one (erroneous) assumption: that is an easy to use graphical install cannot be used if the distro is source code based. Nothing could be further from the truth. An easy to use graphical installation, should

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: about the 2007.1

2007-11-08 Thread Mark Kirkwood
Neil Bothwick wrote: All that would do is increase the number of disaffected users. You need to read the documentation and use the command line to use Gentoo effectively, hiding that behind a pretty pointy-clicky installer until the system is installed and then hitting the user with the truth

Re: [gentoo-user] Multiple Routes to the same Subnet

2007-11-08 Thread Bryan Whitehead
Google bonding linux. Basically at the ethernet level you make eth[0-3] = bond0. You'll then have the bandwidth of all the nics as one nic. Your switch might need some extra setup - but this is the best way to go. On 11/8/07, kashani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dan Farrell wrote: Thanks for your

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: OT: Is EVMS dead?

2007-11-08 Thread Alexander Skwar
Eric S. Johansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alexander Skwar wrote: Eric S. Johansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dirk Heinrichs wrote: pvcreate /dev/hda vgcreate data /dev/hda lvcreate -L42g data mkfs /dev/data/lvol0 What's so hard about that? Does that fit on a postcard? it needs a

[gentoo-user] man mount ?!

2007-11-08 Thread Jorge Almeida
I found this by chance: http://linux.die.net/man/8/mount Somewhat different from the output of man mount. What is happening here? Things like mount --make-shared mountpoint mount --make-slave mountpoint mount --make-private mountpoint mount --make-unbindable

Re: [gentoo-user] Multiple Routes to the same Subnet

2007-11-08 Thread Mike Williams
On Thursday 08 November 2007 00:26:18 Dan Farrell wrote: So, let's say I bond the 4 together.  Now I have 2 interfaces, a bond and eth0.  I still need to route through one or the other, so I still have the problem.   So you've got 5 interfaces? Once you've bonded interfaces together the

Re: [gentoo-user] glibc upgrade - re-emerge system?

2007-11-08 Thread Hemmann, Volker Armin
On Donnerstag, 8. November 2007, Alexander Skwar wrote: Hello! This morning, I upgraded to glibc 2.7 from whatever used to be current in ~x86 before that (2.6.). Do you guys do a emerge -e system, ie. recompile everything, after such an upgrade? Thanks, Alexander Skwar no --

[gentoo-user] glibc upgrade - re-emerge system?

2007-11-08 Thread Alexander Skwar
Hello! This morning, I upgraded to glibc 2.7 from whatever used to be current in ~x86 before that (2.6.). Do you guys do a emerge -e system, ie. recompile everything, after such an upgrade? Thanks, Alexander Skwar -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list

Re: [gentoo-user] glibc upgrade - re-emerge system?

2007-11-08 Thread Rumen Yotov
On (08/11/07 10:14) Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote: On Donnerstag, 8. November 2007, Alexander Skwar wrote: Hello! This morning, I upgraded to glibc 2.7 from whatever used to be current in ~x86 before that (2.6.). Do you guys do a emerge -e system, ie. recompile everything, after

[gentoo-user] Trying to install binary package - Endless loop of cache miss?

2007-11-08 Thread Alexander Skwar
Hello. I'm trying to install one package from a binary package http host. To do so, I added to my make.conf: PORTAGE_BINHOST=http://public-files.askwar.gentoo-packages.s3.amazonaws.com/GentooUSB/packages/All/; Now

Re: [gentoo-user] Daylight savings time

2007-11-08 Thread Vaeth
On Thu, 8 Nov 2007, James wrote: In my /etc/conf.d/clock file I have these relevant settings: CLOCK=local TIMEZONE=America/New_York CLOCK_SYSTOHC=yes it's a dual boot (XP gentoo) workstation. I had to set the time manually to adjust for the 1 hour shift. I guess you mean that in this

Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} method for graphing server stuff?

2007-11-08 Thread Grant
I was thinking it would be pretty handy to generate a series of transposed (or not) graphs for data like cpu usage, mysql usage, memory usage, external monitoring response times, http traffic, etc. My external monitoring service has an API I can hook into and http traffic is logged

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: OT: Is EVMS dead?

2007-11-08 Thread felix
On Thu, Nov 08, 2007 at 11:48:11AM +0100, Alexander Skwar wrote: Pretty short, if you ask me ;) What? Pardon? Exactly. That's too basic. People asking that kind of question shouldn't be administering a system. See howto. They don't belong together. See the howto. What? It isn't. As

Re: [gentoo-user] Daylight savings time

2007-11-08 Thread felix
On Thu, Nov 08, 2007 at 02:35:06AM -0500, Philip Webb wrote: 071108 James wrote: In my /etc/conf.d/clock file I have these relevant settings: CLOCK=local That sb utc. I have heard that Windows expects the hardware clock to be in local time, including daylight savings adjustments.

Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} method for graphing server stuff?

2007-11-08 Thread Hans-Werner Hilse
Hi, On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 08:02:58 -0800 Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was thinking it would be pretty handy to generate a series of transposed (or not) graphs for data like cpu usage, mysql usage, memory usage, external monitoring response times, http traffic, etc. My external

[gentoo-user] Re: about the 2007.1

2007-11-08 Thread James
Neil Bothwick neil at digimed.co.uk writes: All you have said presupposes one (erroneous) assumption: that is an easy to use graphical install cannot be used if the distro is source code based. Nothing could be further from the truth. An easy to use graphical installation, should only be

Re: [gentoo-user] Daylight savings time

2007-11-08 Thread Uwe Thiem
On 08 November 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Nov 08, 2007 at 02:35:06AM -0500, Philip Webb wrote: 071108 James wrote: In my /etc/conf.d/clock file I have these relevant settings: CLOCK=local That sb utc. I have heard that Windows expects the hardware clock to be in local

[gentoo-user] Is gentoo-wiki.com down?

2007-11-08 Thread Herbert Laubner
Hi, I am trying to get on gentoo-wiki.com. Without luck. Other pages aer working fine, so I do not think, it is a problem of my settings. Regards, Herb -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list

Re: [gentoo-user] Is gentoo-wiki.com down?

2007-11-08 Thread Kale Booth
On 11/8/07, Herbert Laubner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I am trying to get on gentoo-wiki.com. Without luck. Other pages aer working fine, so I do not think, it is a problem of my settings. Regards, Herb -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list times out for me -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing

Re: [gentoo-user] Is gentoo-wiki.com down?

2007-11-08 Thread Wojciech `loqeek` Szarański
this is a problem with http server at gentoo-wiki.com. server is up and responding to (my) icmp request packet's ;) On Nov 8, 2007 7:32 PM, Kale Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/8/07, Herbert Laubner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I am trying to get on gentoo-wiki.com. Without luck.

[gentoo-user] emerge Squeak fails misteriously

2007-11-08 Thread Rafael Barrera Oro
Hello people, i have a problem i don't know hoy to approach. When i try to emerge Squeak, it fails throwing the following error message: * * ERROR: dev-lang/squeak-3.9.7 failed. * Call stack: * ebuild.sh, line 1701: Called dyn_compile * ebuild.sh, line 1039: Called

[gentoo-user] Re: about the 2007.1

2007-11-08 Thread »Q«
Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/releng/ says nothing about a November release, or any release date for 2007.1, and that page should be considered authoritative. In my browser, it does say something about a November release of 2007.1. But it also says

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Daylight savings time

2007-11-08 Thread Albert Hopkins
On Thu, 2007-11-08 at 17:29 -0500, Eric Martin wrote: Why copy? when stuff gets updated you'll have to copy again. I'd suggest making a symlink. Also, I see the timestamps and sizes are the same, but are the md5's the same? If not, these aren't the same file. /random longshot suggestion

Re: [gentoo-user] The setup program seems to have failed.

2007-11-08 Thread Dan Farrell
On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 07:31:33 +0200 Rumen Yotov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, The graphical installer is known to fail sometimes (not always :-) Many people prefer the (old) install method - using a terminal. ++. Miernik, I _highly_ recommend using a the manual install method from the

Re: [gentoo-user] glibc upgrade - re-emerge system?

2007-11-08 Thread Dan Farrell
On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 10:05:09 +0100 Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello! This morning, I upgraded to glibc 2.7 from whatever used to be current in ~x86 before that (2.6.). Do you guys do a emerge -e system, ie. recompile everything, after such an upgrade? Thanks,

Re: [gentoo-user] Multiple Routes to the same Subnet

2007-11-08 Thread Dan Farrell
On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 17:13:48 -0800 kashani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Buying a single GigE card would appear to be simpler and cheaper unless you don't have a GigE switch. :-) well, it just so happens I don't. (The 4-port card cost me $0). Some day the file servers will have Gigabit, and so

Re: [gentoo-user] Multiple Routes to the same Subnet

2007-11-08 Thread kashani
Dan Farrell wrote: It's because of the metric of the routes in the routing table, actually. Without routing, your computer talks to no one. Haven't you ever set up a network connection by hand : ) ? I hate to pull the expert card, but I was the network engineer/architect who built

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Daylight savings time

2007-11-08 Thread Eric Martin
James wrote: Shawn Haggett podge at podgeweb.com writes: In my /etc/conf.d/clock file I have these relevant settings: CLOCK=local TIMEZONE=America/New_York CLOCK_SYSTOHC=yes Is the /etc/localtime file correct? i.e.: $ cp /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/New_York

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: OT: Is EVMS dead?

2007-11-08 Thread Eric Martin
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Nov 08, 2007 at 11:48:11AM +0100, Alexander Skwar wrote: Pretty short, if you ask me ;) What? Pardon? Exactly. That's too basic. People asking that kind of question shouldn't be administering a system. See howto. They don't belong together. See the

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: about the 2007.1

2007-11-08 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 17:45:44 + (UTC), James wrote: At which point the new user is diving into the handbook partway though, missing important information from the first part. There is no point in using graphical installer if users still need to drop to the command line to administer the

Re: [gentoo-user] Is gentoo-wiki.com down?

2007-11-08 Thread Dan Farrell
On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 19:22:14 +0100 Herbert Laubner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I am trying to get on gentoo-wiki.com. Without luck. Other pages aer working fine, so I do not think, it is a problem of my settings. Regards, Herb Looks like it's down, at least as I'm seeing it.

[gentoo-user] dev-games/ogre compilation failure

2007-11-08 Thread Lucas Prado Melo
When I emerge ogre, I get the following error message: i686-pc-linux-gnu-g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../../OgreMain/include -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I../../OgreMain/include -DOGRE_NONCLIENT_BUILD -O2 -march=i686 -pipe -I/usr/include/SDL -D_GNU_SOURCE=1 -D_REENTRANT -MT OgreActionTarget.lo -MD

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Daylight savings time

2007-11-08 Thread Roger Mason
James [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Any other ideas? Maybe I need to 'reemerge' something? timezone-data? Cheers, Roger -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The setup program seems to have failed.

2007-11-08 Thread Dan Farrell
On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 08:22:58 +0200 Rumen Yotov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The 'old' install method meant to use just no-X terminal from a LiveCD. Then you just follow the handbook (installation) and you're done. Could be done for half an hour/45 min/,but an hour or two will suffice for most

Re: [gentoo-user] Multiple Routes to the same Subnet

2007-11-08 Thread Dan Farrell
On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 16:40:26 -0800 kashani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hate to pull the expert card, but I was the network engineer/architect who built Netzero's original network so I've got some passing familiarity with this stuff. I'm glad you pulled this card; I want to learn about

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: about the 2007.1

2007-11-08 Thread Dan Farrell
On Fri, 9 Nov 2007 01:18:35 + Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And the Gentoo manual install is not exactly difficult, it just needs a wilingness to read the docs. A prerequisite that is well deserved. The question is whether there's a place for another option. The present second

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: about the 2007.1

2007-11-08 Thread Iain Buchanan
On Thu, 2007-11-08 at 21:03 -0600, Dan Farrell wrote: [snip] Sorry to jump in late in the thread, but have you come across sabayon? It seems to address some of your concerns... http://www.sabayonlinux.org/ http://wiki.sabayonlinux.org/index.php

[gentoo-user] Re: Daylight savings time

2007-11-08 Thread James
Albert Hopkins marduk at letterboxes.org writes: /etc/init.d/clock is run pretty early in the init process; before all filesystems in /etc/fstab are mounted. If /usr/share/zoneinfo is on a filesystem that is not mounted when /etc/init.d/clock is run then it will fail and ugly things will

[gentoo-user] Re: Daylight savings time

2007-11-08 Thread James
Vaeth vaeth at mathematik.uni-wuerzburg.de writes: Only if you run CLOCK=UTC the shift is guaranteed to work in any case (of course, unless another program like windows interferes). Well 'local' did not work, so I'm going to set it to UTC and see what happens in the spring. James --

[gentoo-user] Re: Daylight savings time

2007-11-08 Thread Teng Wang
I suggest you install ntpd, which will sync time with ntp server. And I dont think set CLOCK=UTC is a good idea. If you are using WINXP, it will change your clock to local always. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list

[gentoo-user] Re: about the 2007.1

2007-11-08 Thread »Q«
Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 13:05:18 +, Guanqun Lu wrote: We can't expect that all the Gentoo users should be a linux geek first, and then have a try on Gentoo linux sytem. Why not? Gentoo is aimed at more experienced users, Linux novices are already

Re: [gentoo-user] Is gentoo-wiki.com down?

2007-11-08 Thread Marc Joliet
Am Thu, 8 Nov 2007 19:22:14 +0100 schrieb Herbert Laubner [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, I am trying to get on gentoo-wiki.com. Without luck. Other pages aer working fine, so I do not think, it is a problem of my settings. Regards, Herb The page I have open eventually finishes loading, but it

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: about the 2007.1

2007-11-08 Thread Graham Murray
James [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Gentoo needs an easy to use, graphical installation CD, period. What I would do is lower(simplify) the goals of what that installation CD accomplishes. Once you get a drive prepared, kernel installed and the basic tools installed (binary or compiled). At that