Re: [gentoo-user] Knock on wood

2009-08-12 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 15:13:18 +1000, Alan E. Davis wrote: I've watched Gentoo plummet in the popularity ratings, for example at distrowatch. Distrowatch isn't really an indicator of popularity. You'll notice that distros rise up the rankings when a new release is due, because people are

Re: [gentoo-user] Knock on wood

2009-08-12 Thread Philip Webb
090812 Alan E. Davis wrote: I'm a little reluctant to say this, but it's been a couple of months now since I switched back to Gentoo, and I want to shout out my pleasure that this system has been performing admirably well this time around, in comparison with earlier installations. None of the

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Cloning movie DVDs with dd - only works after accessing disk with another command?

2009-08-12 Thread Richard Marza
- Original Message - From: Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Cloning movie DVDs with dd - only works after accessing disk with another command? On 11 Aug 2009, at 20:31,

Re: [gentoo-user] Cloning movie DVDs with dd - only works after accessing disk with another command?

2009-08-12 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:58:11 +0100, Stroller wrote: I guess I just prefer this encrypted.dd.iso image because it's a single file to work with, rather than a directory containing a mess of .vob files. Or, at least, the mess of .vob files are hidden from me. ;) I guess I've just gotten

Re: [gentoo-user] Knock on wood

2009-08-12 Thread bn
Philip Webb ha scritto: 090812 Alan E. Davis wrote: I'm a little reluctant to say this, but it's been a couple of months now since I switched back to Gentoo, and I want to shout out my pleasure that this system has been performing admirably well this time around, in comparison with earlier

Re: [gentoo-user] Knock on wood

2009-08-12 Thread William Kenworthy
worse it is, but it's always a matter of time, and I don't have that time -not to update per se, which I have, but to face problems in case critical updates don't go smooth. Any advice on this kind of situation? I would rather not buy a backup laptop. However, unlike a dog, you can

Re: [gentoo-user] Knock on wood

2009-08-12 Thread Etaoin Shrdlu
On Wednesday 12 August 2009 12:43:27 bn wrote: So I am becoming very reluctant in updating critical components -one example is my kernel, which is basically untouched since I installed, in late 2007. I know it's counterproductive, because the more I wait, the worse it is, but it's always a

Re: [gentoo-user] Knock on wood

2009-08-12 Thread Ward Poelmans
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 14:28, Etaoin Shrdlushr...@unlimitedmail.org wrote: Any advice on this kind of situation? I would rather not buy a backup laptop. Keeping the previous (working) kernel, and having a rescue disk around usually is enough to fix most kinds of breakages. Also building

Re: [gentoo-user] Knock on wood

2009-08-12 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Mittwoch 12 August 2009, Ward Poelmans wrote: On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 14:28, Etaoin Shrdlushr...@unlimitedmail.org wrote: Any advice on this kind of situation? I would rather not buy a backup laptop. Keeping the previous (working) kernel, and having a rescue disk around usually is

Re: [gentoo-user] Knock on wood

2009-08-12 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 15:13:18 +1000, Alan E. Davis wrote: I've watched Gentoo plummet in the popularity ratings, for example at distrowatch. Distrowatch isn't really an indicator of popularity. You'll notice that distros rise up the rankings when a new release

Re: [gentoo-user] Knock on wood

2009-08-12 Thread Dale
bn wrote: Philip Webb ha scritto: 090812 Alan E. Davis wrote: I'm a little reluctant to say this, but it's been a couple of months now since I switched back to Gentoo, and I want to shout out my pleasure that this system has been performing admirably well this time around, in

Re: [gentoo-user] Knock on wood

2009-08-12 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 08:37:44 -0500, Dale wrote: I do it this way. I keep at least two working kernels in /boot. If I need to, I can edit the grub boot line to boot the old kernel if the new one doesn't work. I do NOT use the make install thing. I do mine manually and name them in my own

Re: [gentoo-user] Knock on wood

2009-08-12 Thread Philip Webb
090812 Dale replied to bn : I am becoming very reluctant in updating critical components - eg my kernel, which is basically untouched since I installed late 2007. I keep at least two working kernels in /boot. I do mine manually and name them in my own way, something like bzImage-kernel

Re: [gentoo-user] Knock on wood

2009-08-12 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 08:37:44 -0500, Dale wrote: I do it this way. I keep at least two working kernels in /boot. If I need to, I can edit the grub boot line to boot the old kernel if the new one doesn't work. I do NOT use the make install thing. I do mine manually

Re: [gentoo-user] Knock on wood

2009-08-12 Thread Dale
Philip Webb wrote: 090812 Dale replied to bn : I am becoming very reluctant in updating critical components - eg my kernel, which is basically untouched since I installed late 2007. I keep at least two working kernels in /boot. I do mine manually and name them in my own way,

Re: [gentoo-user] Knock on wood

2009-08-12 Thread Paul Hartman
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 12:13 AM, Alan E. Davislngn...@gmail.com wrote: Is it because I'm more experienced, or perhaps more cautious? I am running ~amd64, and have several overlays installed under layman. I don't know, but I tend to think the distribution is more mature. Welcome back! :) I

Re: [gentoo-user] Knock on wood

2009-08-12 Thread bn
Ward Poelmans ha scritto: On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 14:28, Etaoin Shrdlushr...@unlimitedmail.org wrote: Any advice on this kind of situation? I would rather not buy a backup laptop. Keeping the previous (working) kernel, and having a rescue disk around usually is enough to fix most kinds of

Re: [gentoo-user] Knock on wood

2009-08-12 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 09:20:34 -0500, Dale wrote: I do it this way. I keep at least two working kernels in /boot. If I need to, I can edit the grub boot line to boot the old kernel if the new one doesn't work. I do NOT use the make install thing. I do mine manually and name them in my

Re: [gentoo-user] Knock on wood

2009-08-12 Thread Ward Poelmans
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 14:51, Volker Armin Hemmannvolkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: systemrescuecd is even more helpfull Yes, but a ubuntu (or any distro) on an usb drive is more usefull IMHO. An usb drive is smaller and less fragile then a cd so it's a better choice when you are very mobile.

Re: [gentoo-user] Knock on wood

2009-08-12 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Mittwoch 12 August 2009, Ward Poelmans wrote: On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 14:51, Volker Armin Hemmannvolkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: systemrescuecd is even more helpfull Yes, but a ubuntu (or any distro) on an usb drive is more usefull IMHO. An usb drive is smaller and less fragile then a

Re: [gentoo-user] Knock on wood

2009-08-12 Thread Dan Farrell
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 09:22:31 -0500 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: I'm in the process of switching from dial-up to DSL. :-D :-D Running gentoo on dialup for so long, you must be the most patient person in existence.

[gentoo-user] HandBrakeCLI undvd. was: Cloning movie DVDs with dd

2009-08-12 Thread Stroller
On 12 Aug 2009, at 12:05, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:58:11 +0100, Stroller wrote: I guess I just prefer this encrypted.dd.iso image because it's a single file to work with, rather than a directory containing a mess of .vob files. Or, at least, the mess of .vob files are

Re: [gentoo-user] Knock on wood

2009-08-12 Thread Stroller
On 12 Aug 2009, at 12:43, bn wrote: ... Yes, that seems to be the usual reason users leave Gentoo: like owning a dog, you have to find time to maintain/exercise it. I am starting to be in trouble using Gentoo for this very reason. ... So I am becoming very reluctant in updating critical

Re: [gentoo-user] Knock on wood

2009-08-12 Thread Stroller
On 12 Aug 2009, at 15:20, Dale wrote: ... maske install does that for you, it also sets up the vmlinuz and vmlinuz.old symlinks so you don't need to mess with your GRUB config. But it doesn't do it the way that I do. I have used it a few times but it didn't work like I do manually. +1

Re: [gentoo-user] Knock on wood

2009-08-12 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 21:19:41 +0100, Stroller wrote: I don't know why anyone would choose to compile install the kernel any way other than manually. It's only a handful of commands, after all. So you trust make to supervise the building of a couple of million lines of source code, but not to

Re: [gentoo-user] HandBrakeCLI undvd. was: Cloning movie DVDs with dd

2009-08-12 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 21:05:02 +0100, Stroller wrote: mplayer dvd://1 -dumpstream -dumpfile somefilm.mpeg No point though, really, is there? I mean, I'm happy with it this way, I'm not short of space, and to me that just seems to be complicating things. Well it's a one line command, no

Re: [gentoo-user] Knock on wood

2009-08-12 Thread Mike Edenfield
On 8/12/2009 4:19 PM, Stroller wrote: On 12 Aug 2009, at 15:20, Dale wrote: ... maske install does that for you, it also sets up the vmlinuz and vmlinuz.old symlinks so you don't need to mess with your GRUB config. But it doesn't do it the way that I do. I have used it a few times but it

Re: [gentoo-user] Knock on wood

2009-08-12 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Mittwoch 12 August 2009, Mike Edenfield wrote: On 8/12/2009 4:19 PM, Stroller wrote: On 12 Aug 2009, at 15:20, Dale wrote: ... maske install does that for you, it also sets up the vmlinuz and vmlinuz.old symlinks so you don't need to mess with your GRUB config. But it doesn't do it

Re: [gentoo-user] Knock on wood

2009-08-12 Thread Mike Edenfield
On 8/12/2009 5:08 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Mittwoch 12 August 2009, Mike Edenfield wrote: $ make make modules_install make install too much to type. make all modules_install install is much better. I always forget that the 'all' target (typically) does the same thing as just

[gentoo-user] Booting an exernal usb drive from grub

2009-08-12 Thread Michael Sullivan
My server box died last week, and, as it was about ten years old, I decided to replace it. My wife and I opened the case and removed the hard drive (A major undertaking for us, I might add). We hooked the old hard drive up to a hard drive enclosure and plugged it via USB into a new computer we

Re: [gentoo-user] Booting an exernal usb drive from grub

2009-08-12 Thread Paul Hartman
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Michael Sullivanmsulli1...@gmail.com wrote: My server box died last week, and, as it was about ten years old, I decided to replace it. My wife and I opened the case and removed the hard drive (A major undertaking for us, I might add). We hooked the old hard

[gentoo-user] Starting a daemon automatically without rc-update

2009-08-12 Thread Grant
I run one program which needs to be started as a particular user whenever the system comes up, but there is no ebuild. Is this the Gentoo way? # cat /etc/init.d/rc.local #!/sbin/runscript start() { su user /path/to/program/binary } - Grant

Re: [gentoo-user] Knock on wood

2009-08-12 Thread BRM
From: Mike Edenfield kut...@kutulu.org To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 4:58:54 PM Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Knock on wood On 8/12/2009 4:19 PM, Stroller wrote: On 12 Aug 2009, at 15:20, Dale wrote: ... maske install does that for you, it also sets up

Re: [gentoo-user] Booting an exernal usb drive from grub

2009-08-12 Thread Michael Sullivan
On Wed, 2009-08-12 at 16:38 -0500, Paul Hartman wrote: On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Michael Sullivanmsulli1...@gmail.com wrote: My server box died last week, and, as it was about ten years old, I decided to replace it. My wife and I opened the case and removed the hard drive (A major

Re: [gentoo-user] Knock on wood

2009-08-12 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 14:46:16 -0700 (PDT), BRM wrote: $ make install supposes you are installing to the standard location. I forget why off hand - probably due to the conversion to gentoo on the machine a while back - but I'm installing to /boot/grub, not /boot. So far as I am aware (I

Re: [gentoo-user] Starting a daemon automatically without rc-update

2009-08-12 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 14:40:49 -0700, Grant wrote: I run one program which needs to be started as a particular user whenever the system comes up, but there is no ebuild. Is this the Gentoo way? # cat /etc/init.d/rc.local #!/sbin/runscript start() { su user /path/to/program/binary }

Re: [gentoo-user] Knock on wood

2009-08-12 Thread Stroller
On 12 Aug 2009, at 21:58, Mike Edenfield wrote: I don't know why anyone would choose to compile install the kernel any way other than manually. It's only a handful of commands, after all. $ make make modules_install $ cp arch/x86/boot/bzImage

Re: [gentoo-user] Booting an exernal usb drive from grub

2009-08-12 Thread kyle . bader
Excuse the top post - bb email. You might be able to change the hdd boot priority in another menu to try usb hdd first then fallback on sata/ide whatever. Also you might have to add a slowusb kernel boot param if after the kernel boots you get a unable to sync vfs error when handing off to

Re: [gentoo-user] Booting an exernal usb drive from grub

2009-08-12 Thread Paul Hartman
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Michael Sullivanmsulli1...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 2009-08-12 at 16:38 -0500, Paul Hartman wrote: On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Michael Sullivanmsulli1...@gmail.com wrote: My server box died last week, and, as it was about ten years old, I decided to

Re: [gentoo-user] Booting an exernal usb drive from grub

2009-08-12 Thread Michael Sullivan
On Wed, 2009-08-12 at 17:11 -0500, Paul Hartman wrote: On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Michael Sullivanmsulli1...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 2009-08-12 at 16:38 -0500, Paul Hartman wrote: On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Michael Sullivanmsulli1...@gmail.com wrote: My server box died last

[gentoo-user] crashing X.org

2009-08-12 Thread Pat
Hello, I have interesting problem. When I running a video (using mplayer) and another window partially overlap the video window the X.org crashes (better say restarts) and the login screen appears. The log is clean. The graphics card is intel i915 (or i945?). Using: xf86-video-intel-2.6.3-r1

Re: [gentoo-user] Booting an exernal usb drive from grub

2009-08-12 Thread Stroller
On 12 Aug 2009, at 22:49, Michael Sullivan wrote: ... Usually in the boot order section of BIOS one of those choices will be removable disk or external device or something like that. That will typically boot your USB disk. Nope. The only things it has are floppy boot (It doesn't even have

Re: [gentoo-user] Booting an exernal usb drive from grub

2009-08-12 Thread Michael Sullivan
On Wed, 2009-08-12 at 23:22 +0100, Stroller wrote: On 12 Aug 2009, at 22:49, Michael Sullivan wrote: ... Usually in the boot order section of BIOS one of those choices will be removable disk or external device or something like that. That will typically boot your USB disk. Nope.

[gentoo-user] jumping mouse cursor

2009-08-12 Thread Pat
Hi, And another important problem. When I drag a window the mouse pointer (including the window) jumping. Sometimes the mouse pointer moves during the double click. After while the the mouse freezes and only switch to text console (ctrl+alt+fx) unfreezes the mouse. The dmesg gives: psmouse.c:

[OT] Re: [gentoo-user] Starting a daemon automatically without rc-update

2009-08-12 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Wednesday 12 August 2009 23:02:58 Neil Bothwick wrote: C: (n.) the language following A and B. The world still awaits D and    E. By Z, it may be acceptable for general use. I sympathise with that. Nearly 30 years ago I found it easier to write in assembler than C. Nowadays I don't program

Re: [gentoo-user] Knock on wood

2009-08-12 Thread bn
Stroller ha scritto: On 12 Aug 2009, at 12:43, bn wrote: ... Yes, that seems to be the usual reason users leave Gentoo: like owning a dog, you have to find time to maintain/exercise it. I am starting to be in trouble using Gentoo for this very reason. ... So I am becoming very reluctant

Re: [gentoo-user] Knock on wood

2009-08-12 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 23:07:22 +0100, Stroller wrote: Why does everyone replying to my post snip the part in which I said that I'm an old dog? We were bing polite :) -- Neil Bothwick Never argue with an idiot. First, they bring you down to their level. Then they beat you with experience.

Re: [gentoo-user] Knock on wood

2009-08-12 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 21:19:41 +0100, Stroller wrote: I don't know why anyone would choose to compile install the kernel any way other than manually. It's only a handful of commands, after all. So you trust make to supervise the building of a couple of million

Re: [gentoo-user] Booting an exernal usb drive from grub

2009-08-12 Thread Paul Hartman
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 5:16 PM, Michael Sullivanmsulli1...@gmail.com wrote: We can't take the hard drive out and put a different one in. I strongly implied that my wife and I are clumsy. We don't have the fine motor skills needed to put a hard drive into a computer. She barely had enough

Re: [gentoo-user] Starting a daemon automatically without rc-update

2009-08-12 Thread Grant
I run one program which needs to be started as a particular user whenever the system comes up, but there is no ebuild.  Is this the Gentoo way? # cat /etc/init.d/rc.local #!/sbin/runscript start() { su user /path/to/program/binary } Yes, or you could use start() {  su - user -c

Re: [gentoo-user] Knock on wood

2009-08-12 Thread Dale
Dan Farrell wrote: On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 09:22:31 -0500 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: I'm in the process of switching from dial-up to DSL. :-D :-D Running gentoo on dialup for so long, you must be the most patient person in existence. Wll, they are testing

Re: [gentoo-user] Booting an exernal usb drive from grub

2009-08-12 Thread Michael Sullivan
On Wed, 2009-08-12 at 18:51 -0500, Paul Hartman wrote: On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 5:16 PM, Michael Sullivanmsulli1...@gmail.com wrote: We can't take the hard drive out and put a different one in. I strongly implied that my wife and I are clumsy. We don't have the fine motor skills needed to

Re: [gentoo-user] Knock on wood

2009-08-12 Thread Dale
bn wrote: Oh no, other packages I more or less regularly update -now I'm just behind with Xorg 1.5 because of all the horror stories I've heard on this list. Oh lets not even start on xorg-server-1.5. I already have a bug up my butt about ATT and DSL. I think I mentioned, -hal in

Re: [gentoo-user] Starting a daemon automatically without rc-update

2009-08-12 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 16:53:28 -0700, Grant wrote: Hmmm, it didn't come back up with the server. I have this in /etc/init.d/rc.local: My mistake, I misread the path you were using. You shouldn't change /etc/init.d/rc.local, you put your commands in the start or stop functions in

Re: [gentoo-user] Starting a daemon automatically without rc-update

2009-08-12 Thread Keith Dart
=== On Wed, 08/12, Neil Bothwick wrote: === start() { su - user -c /path/to/program/binary } === That works as long as the binary forks and runs as a daemon. If not, you will probably have to use the start-stop-daemon helper program. -- Keith Dart -- -- Keith Dart

Re: [gentoo-user] Booting an exernal usb drive from grub

2009-08-12 Thread Paul Hartman
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 6:56 PM, Michael Sullivanmsulli1...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 2009-08-12 at 18:51 -0500, Paul Hartman wrote: On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 5:16 PM, Michael Sullivanmsulli1...@gmail.com wrote: We can't take the hard drive out and put a different one in. I strongly implied

[gentoo-user] Re: Starting a daemon automatically without rc-update

2009-08-12 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 08/13/2009 02:53 AM, Grant wrote: Hmmm, it didn't come back up with the server. I have this in /etc/init.d/rc.local: #!/sbin/runscript depend() { } start() { su - user -c /path/to/binary } stop() { } restart() { } I had to start it like I normally do instead: # su - user $ /path/to/binary

Re: [gentoo-user] static ip

2009-08-12 Thread daid kahl
2009/8/10 Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk On 9 Aug 2009, at 08:01, Andrey Vul wrote: I somehow killed the dhcp in my openwrt router and failsafe mode requires a static IP address. Stopping net.eth0 and then running '#ifconfig eth0 up; ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.2' resulted with a 'No

Re: [gentoo-user] Knock on wood

2009-08-12 Thread Mike Kazantsev
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 22:59:53 +0100 Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 14:46:16 -0700 (PDT), BRM wrote: $ make install supposes you are installing to the standard location. I forget why off hand - probably due to the conversion to gentoo on the machine a

Re: [gentoo-user] Starting a daemon automatically without rc-update

2009-08-12 Thread Grant
Hmmm, it didn't come back up with the server.  I have this in /etc/init.d/rc.local: My mistake, I misread the path you were using. You shouldn't change /etc/init.d/rc.local, you put your commands in the start or stop functions in /etc/conf.d/local. If you use baselayout-1, the commands go