Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-17 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Friday, September 16, 2011 11:21:12 PM Pandu Poluan wrote: On Sep 16, 2011 11:00 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 5:29 AM, Pandu Poluanpa...@poluan.info wrote: Speaking of fsck, didn't someone lamented the fact that fsck can no

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-17 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Friday, September 16, 2011 10:53:47 AM Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 5:08 AM, Joost Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: On Thursday, September 15, 2011 05:05:00 PM Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: Last time I checked, neither GNOME nor Emacs demanded that Gentoo developers

Re: [gentoo-user] HPLIP plugin file

2011-09-17 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Friday, September 16, 2011 06:50:14 PM Paul Hartman wrote: Does anyone here use HPLIP and happen to have the file hplip-3.11.7-plugin.run that they can send to me or upload somewhere? openprinting.org is down because of the LF hack and it could be more weeks before it's back up. There are

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-17 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Saturday, September 17, 2011 08:45:15 AM Joost Roeleveld wrote: On Friday, September 16, 2011 10:53:47 AM Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: I think systemd gives you that in servers. With OpenRC and Apache with user CGI scripts, ¿do you know how to list the httpd daemon spawned processes, and

Re: [gentoo-user] HPLIP plugin file

2011-09-17 Thread Dale
Paul Hartman wrote: On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 7:10 PM, Dalerdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Paul Hartman wrote: Does anyone here use HPLIP and happen to have the file hplip-3.11.7-plugin.run that they can send to me or upload somewhere? openprinting.org is down because of the LF hack and it could be

Re: OT: Merchant bankers (Was: [gentoo-user] Any big gotcha's when update from several (5) mnths

2011-09-17 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Sep 17, 2011 4:54 AM, David W Noon dwn...@ntlworld.com wrote: On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 20:49:03 +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] Any big gotcha's when update from several (5) mnths: On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 08:02:27 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: [snip] The world of trading is 99%

[gentoo-user] Alternatives to GLSA?

2011-09-17 Thread Florian Philipp
Hi list! Since GLSAs are in their current state of disregard, I'm searching for another way to be informed about security fixes. What do you think is the best approach here? Querying bugzilla for recently fixed security bugs like [1]? Searching for the term 'security bug' or something similar

[gentoo-user] Upgraded to net-firewall/iptables-1.4.12.1 and shorewall fails to start

2011-09-17 Thread William Kenworthy
Just upgraded to net-firewall/iptables-1.4.12.1 and shorewall fails to start with: Running /sbin/iptables-restore... iptables-restore v1.4.12.1: conntrack rev 2 does not support port ranges Error occurred at line: 251 Try `iptables-restore -h' or 'iptables-restore --help' for more information.

Re: [gentoo-user] grub and what happens exactly when booting.

2011-09-17 Thread Alex Schuster
Dale writes: Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 22:03:20 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote: A word of advice when starting from scratch, give your VG(s) unique names. I've seen what happens when someone takes a drive from one Fedora system and puts it in another, so there are two VGs

[gentoo-user] Whats a good honeypot?

2011-09-17 Thread William Kenworthy
I am looking at using a honeypot for a research project - need to put something safe to attract packets, scans etc. I was thinking of a heavily stripped gentoo vm (in virtualbox) running honeyd, but the ebuild for honeyd is looking like its getting quite old - according to the honeyd website its

Re: [gentoo-user] grub and what happens exactly when booting.

2011-09-17 Thread Dale
Peter Humphrey wrote: On Friday 16 September 2011 17:58:11 Dale wrote: Hmm, maybe I am thinking of ext4? Life's confusing. :/ In case it helps, here's the relevant part of my fstab: /dev/sda1 /boot ext2 noatime,noauto 1 2 /dev/md3 / ext4 noatime 1 1 /dev/vg1/home /home ext4 noatime 1 2

Re: [gentoo-user] grub and what happens exactly when booting.

2011-09-17 Thread Dale
William Kenworthy wrote: On Fri, 2011-09-16 at 19:06 -0500, Dale wrote: Neil Bothwick wrote: I did name it pretty well. It is called test right now. lol Right now, I'm just having fun. The biggest difference so far is that I can see with my new glasses. I just wish I didn't have arthritis in

Re: [gentoo-user] grub and what happens exactly when booting.

2011-09-17 Thread Dale
Dale wrote: William Kenworthy wrote: On Fri, 2011-09-16 at 19:06 -0500, Dale wrote: Neil Bothwick wrote: I did name it pretty well. It is called test right now. lol Right now, I'm just having fun. The biggest difference so far is that I can see with my new glasses. I just wish I didn't have

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-17 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Sat, 17 Sep 2011 08:45:15 +0200 Joost Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: I consider dbus to be part of the GUI as I don't see a reason for apache, syslog, nfs, samba, to be using dbus to communicate with each other. To be fair, dbus could be useful for service apps too. It provides a

Re: [gentoo-user] grub and what happens exactly when booting.

2011-09-17 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Sat, 17 Sep 2011 00:49:21 +0100 Peter Humphrey pe...@humphrey.ukfsn.org wrote: On Friday 16 September 2011 23:13:27 Neil Bothwick wrote: A word of advice when starting from scratch, give your VG(s) unique names. I've seen what happens when someone takes a drive from one Fedora system

Re: [gentoo-user] grub and what happens exactly when booting.

2011-09-17 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 19:06:40 -0500 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 22:03:20 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote: In case it helps, here's the relevant part of my fstab: /dev/sda1 /boot ext2noatime,noauto 1 2 /dev/md3

Re: [gentoo-user] grub and what happens exactly when booting.

2011-09-17 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Sat, 17 Sep 2011 06:44:47 -0500 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Should I include the drive itself? Like sda, sdb etc. I could use my system name too. I'm on fireball and my older rig is named smoker. See a trend here? lol Anyway, this could work: fireball-sda fireball-sdb

Re: [gentoo-user] Whats a good honeypot?

2011-09-17 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Sat, 17 Sep 2011 19:14:06 +0800 William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au wrote: I am looking at using a honeypot for a research project - need to put something safe to attract packets, scans etc. I was thinking of a heavily stripped gentoo vm (in virtualbox) running honeyd, but the ebuild for

Re: [gentoo-user] Alternatives to GLSA?

2011-09-17 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Sat, 17 Sep 2011 11:17:56 +0200 Florian Philipp li...@binarywings.net wrote: Hi list! Since GLSAs are in their current state of disregard, I'm searching for another way to be informed about security fixes. What do you think is the best approach here? Querying bugzilla for recently

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-17 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 2:45 AM, Joost Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: On Friday, September 16, 2011 10:53:47 AM Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 5:08 AM, Joost Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: On Thursday, September 15, 2011 05:05:00 PM Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-17 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 3:04 AM, Joost Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: On Saturday, September 17, 2011 08:45:15 AM Joost Roeleveld wrote: On Friday, September 16, 2011 10:53:47 AM Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: I think systemd gives you that in servers. With OpenRC and Apache with user CGI

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-17 Thread Michael Mol
On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 10:50 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 2:45 AM, Joost Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: [[snippage]] I still think Gnome (or any other desktop environment) should not care about which init-system is being used. And they will

Re: [gentoo-user] HPLIP plugin file

2011-09-17 Thread Paul Hartman
On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 1:52 AM, Joost Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: On Friday, September 16, 2011 06:50:14 PM Paul Hartman wrote: Does anyone here use HPLIP and happen to have the file hplip-3.11.7-plugin.run that they can send to me or upload somewhere? openprinting.org is down because

Re: OT: Merchant bankers (Was: [gentoo-user] Any big gotcha's when update from several (5) mnths

2011-09-17 Thread Mick
On Saturday 17 Sep 2011 09:00:37 Pandu Poluan wrote: On Sep 17, 2011 4:54 AM, David W Noon dwn...@ntlworld.com wrote: On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 20:49:03 +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] Any big gotcha's when update from several (5) mnths: On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 08:02:27 -0700,

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-17 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 10:50 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 2:45 AM, Joost Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: [[snippage]] I still think Gnome (or any other desktop environment)

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-17 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 10:50 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 2:45 AM, Joost Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: On Friday, September 16, 2011 10:53:47 AM Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 5:08 AM, Joost Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-17 Thread Michael Mol
On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 10:50 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés I would like for you to be more specific about them. Sockets, be they UNIX domain

[gentoo-user] Making a init thingy. Step two I guess.

2011-09-17 Thread Dale
OK. Sort of dealt with the LVM part so now to step two. I'm trying to follow this: http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Initramfs Then I get confused. I get to Applications and I'm sort of lost here. In there it talks about copying nano and its friends over to the init directory. Then below

Re: OT: Merchant bankers (Was: [gentoo-user] Any big gotcha's when update from several (5) mnths

2011-09-17 Thread Mark Knecht
On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday 17 Sep 2011 09:00:37 Pandu Poluan wrote: On Sep 17, 2011 4:54 AM, David W Noon dwn...@ntlworld.com wrote: On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 20:49:03 +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] Any big gotcha's

Re: [gentoo-user] Making a init thingy. Step two I guess.

2011-09-17 Thread Mark Knecht
On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: OK.  Sort of dealt with the LVM part so now to step two.  I'm trying to follow this: http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Initramfs Then I get confused.  I get to Applications and I'm sort of lost here.  In there it talks about

Re: [gentoo-user] Making a init thingy. Step two I guess.

2011-09-17 Thread Dale
Mark Knecht wrote: On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Dalerdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: OK. Sort of dealt with the LVM part so now to step two. I'm trying to follow this: http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Initramfs Then I get confused. I get to Applications and I'm sort of lost here. In there

Re: [gentoo-user] Making a init thingy. Step two I guess.

2011-09-17 Thread Michael Mol
On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 4:44 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Mark Knecht wrote: On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Dalerdalek1...@gmail.com  wrote: That's what I was thinking to.  I know busybox does a LOT of things but I didn't think it was a nano replacement either.  OK.  I got both of

Re: [gentoo-user] Making a init thingy. Step two I guess.

2011-09-17 Thread Mark Knecht
On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Mark Knecht wrote: On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Dalerdalek1...@gmail.com  wrote: OK.  Sort of dealt with the LVM part so now to step two.  I'm trying to follow this: http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Initramfs Then I get

Re: [gentoo-user] Making a init thingy. Step two I guess.

2011-09-17 Thread Mark Knecht
On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 1:51 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 4:44 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Mark Knecht wrote: On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Dalerdalek1...@gmail.com  wrote: That's what I was thinking to.  I know busybox does a LOT of things but I

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-17 Thread pk
On 2011-09-17 20:36, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: They are standard in the sense that they are a low level communication standard API. An IPC is *way* more than that; dbus is an IPC, because https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Inter-process_communication then you have high level

Re: [gentoo-user] Making a init thingy. Step two I guess.

2011-09-17 Thread pk
On 2011-09-17 22:54, Mark Knecht wrote: That's what I was thinking to. I know busybox does a LOT of things but I didn't think it was a nano replacement either. OK. I got both of those in there at least. First problem dealt with I guess. Wonder what else I should put in there too.

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-17 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 3:24 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 10:50 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés I would like for you

Re: [gentoo-user] Making a init thingy. Step two I guess.

2011-09-17 Thread Dale
Mark Knecht wrote: On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 1:51 PM, Michael Molmike...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 4:44 PM, Dalerdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Mark Knecht wrote: On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Dalerdalek1...@gmail.comwrote: That's what I was thinking to. I know busybox

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-17 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 5:03 PM, pk pete...@coolmail.se wrote: On 2011-09-17 20:36, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: They are standard in the sense that they are a low level communication standard API. An IPC is *way* more than that;  dbus is an IPC, because

Re: [gentoo-user] Making a init thingy. Step two I guess.

2011-09-17 Thread Mark Knecht
On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Mark Knecht wrote: On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 1:51 PM, Michael Molmike...@gmail.com  wrote: On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 4:44 PM, Dalerdalek1...@gmail.com  wrote: Mark Knecht wrote: On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 1:02 PM,

Re: [gentoo-user] Making a init thingy. Step two I guess.

2011-09-17 Thread Dale
Mark Knecht wrote: While I was out walking my dog I sort of remembered that there are just a few apps I had to build static, or at least that I build static. One, I think was grub. The first and only time I did it I had to do it 3 or 4 times before I got everything I needed working correctly.

Re: [gentoo-user] Making a init thingy. Step two I guess.

2011-09-17 Thread Michael Mol
On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 6:27 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Mark Knecht wrote: I think there are only a few that has that flag, at least that I would put in the init thingy anyway.  Maybe this is something that the devs will work on if it can be done.  May be a big if there. That is

Re: [gentoo-user] Making a init thingy. Step two I guess.

2011-09-17 Thread Mark Knecht
On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 3:27 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Mark Knecht wrote: While I was out walking my dog I sort of remembered that there are just a few apps I had to build static, or at least that I build static. One, I think was grub. The first and only time I did it I had to do

[gentoo-user] Whats the skinny on FFox 6, licensing etc

2011-09-17 Thread Harry Putnam
What is the lowdown on the new Firefox 6 that is currently on auto mask in portage. It appears I can set `EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=--autounmask=n' in /etc/make.conf and go right ahead emerging. Any opinions about yeah or neigh?

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-17 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Sat, 17 Sep 2011 15:24:39 -0400 Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: BTW, there *was* an standard that did everything dbus does: ORB, the Object Request Broker. They tried to use that as IPC years ago, but is so damn complicated to implement right they decided to better implement a new

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-17 Thread Michael Mol
On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 7:00 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, 17 Sep 2011 15:24:39 -0400 Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: Dbus is an interesting piece of technology and rather useful, it does it a disservice to knock it. Honestly, I really only want to provide

Re: [gentoo-user] Making a init thingy. Step two I guess.

2011-09-17 Thread Dale
Michael Mol wrote: On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 6:27 PM, Dalerdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Mark Knecht wrote: I think there are only a few that has that flag, at least that I would put in the init thingy anyway. Maybe this is something that the devs will work on if it can be done. May be a big if

Re: [gentoo-user] Making a init thingy. Step two I guess.

2011-09-17 Thread Dale
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Sat, 17 Sep 2011 13:27:45 -0700 Mark Knechtmarkkne...@gmail.com wrote: Then I get confused. I get to Applications and I'm sort of lost here. In there it talks about copying nano and its friends over to the init directory. Then below that it says to use busybox.

Re: [gentoo-user] Making a init thingy. Step two I guess.

2011-09-17 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Sep 18, 2011 9:22 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 10:13 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Michael Mol wrote: [snippage] Ah. I see now. So, it mounts proc and sys but that is in the init then it mounts the real root outside the init. Then it