On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 1:38 AM, G.Wolfe Woodbury redwo...@gmail.com wrote:
[ snip ]
From what has been happening with the systemd stuff, I do not see what
advantages it really offers over the SysV scheme and its successors like
OpenRC. Someone enlighten me please?
I wrote the following some
I'm running a nfs server on my machine, the server starts fine without
any problems, but when I try
mount localhost:/path/to/share /mountpoint
I get mount.nfs: cannot allocate memory and the funniest part is the
system has lot's of free memory.
That's for nfsv4, if I try vers=3 option I get
On 24/12/12 17:05, Teodor Spæren wrote:
It got 223mhz of clocking speed and 116mb ram. I have added
512mb of swap since I knew the ram was going to be a problem.
I would forget about it. It was possible in the days of GCC 3 and 2.95.
Unless you don't care that emerging a complete system will
On 12/25/2012 03:01 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 1:38 AM, G.Wolfe Woodbury redwo...@gmail.com wrote:
[ snip ]
From what has been happening with the systemd stuff, I do not see what
advantages it really offers over the SysV scheme and its successors like
OpenRC.
On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 12:58:57 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
Are there any other cases, apart from emotional attachment based on
inertia, where a separate / and /usr are desirable? As I see it, there
is only the system, and it is an atomic unit.
Yes, you need to run an encrypted root but don't
On 2012-12-24, Bruce Hill wrote:
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 05:06:41PM +0200, Nuno J. Silva wrote:
Now, also, from my understanding, this was already the case for some
time (maybe even years?). And that's why I've asked for more details.
So, if the udev you use is OK with no initrd, what is
Am 23.12.2012 20:23, schrieb fe...@crowfix.com:
I have since had some time to explore this and find it related to the
kernel; 3.6.10 works fine, while 3.7.1 fails. If I reset during the
3.7.1 boot while it is spewing its error messages, but before the
kernel ultimately panics, I can reboot
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 02:10:28PM +0200, Nuno J. Silva wrote:
No, actually it doesn't. It just has the same kind of very generic claim
that has been repeated several times in this thread (which is why?
because it won't work) and links to an article that explains why some
udev rules would
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 08:38:30PM -0600, Dale wrote:
Bruce Hill wrote:
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 06:29:07PM -0600, »Q« wrote:
On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 17:04:13 -0600
Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote:
Gentoo had mkinitrd once upon a time, but it's now in attic.
Somewhere,
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 10:56:52AM +0700, Pandu Poluan wrote:
When you're in charge of over 100 servers as the back-end of a
multinational company that has a revenue in excess of 10 million USD per
day, even a temporary outage means the CIO, COO, and CEO breathing down
your neck.
Who is in
On Dec 25, 2012 3:04 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 1:38 AM, G.Wolfe Woodbury redwo...@gmail.com
wrote:
[ snip ]
From what has been happening with the systemd stuff, I do not see what
advantages it really offers over the SysV scheme and its
On Dec 25, 2012 8:07 AM, Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com
wrote:
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 10:56:52AM +0700, Pandu Poluan wrote:
When you're in charge of over 100 servers as the back-end of a
multinational company that has a revenue in excess of 10 million USD per
day, even a
On 2012-12-25, Bruce Hill wrote:
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 02:10:28PM +0200, Nuno J. Silva wrote:
No, actually it doesn't. It just has the same kind of very generic claim
that has been repeated several times in this thread (which is why?
because it won't work) and links to an article that
On 2012-12-25, Michael Mol wrote:
Now, question: could I not create a /usr service and make things
dependent on /usr come after it's been mounted? That seems the single, core
missing piece.
This suffices for /usr on regular partitions. The problem is with more
complex stuff which, I assume
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 3:01 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
[ snip ]
* Really simple service unit files: The service unit files are really
small, really simple, really easy to understand/modify. Compare the 9
lines of sshd.service:
$ cat /etc/systemd/system/sshd.service
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 08:53:33AM -0800, fe...@crowfix.com wrote:
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 10:07:04AM -0600, Bruce Hill wrote:
emerge -av app-text/wgetpaste wgetpaste /path/to/3.6/.config
/path/to/3.7/.config
3.6.10 .config -- http://bpaste.net/show/66307/
3.7.1 .config --
On Dec 25, 2012 8:07 PM, Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com
wrote:
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 10:56:52AM +0700, Pandu Poluan wrote:
When you're in charge of over 100 servers as the back-end of a
multinational company that has a revenue in excess of 10 million USD per
day, even a
On Dec 25, 2012 4:14 PM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com wrote:
On 24/12/12 17:05, Teodor Spæren wrote:
It got 223mhz of clocking speed and 116mb ram. I have added
512mb of swap since I knew the ram was going to be a problem.
I would forget about it. It was possible in the days of GCC
Hi,
Merry Christmas to all.
Upgrading an external USB2 drive at home this Christmas morning to
1TB for more video storage space. One large partition, non-raid, files
are around 1GB. The drive holds only static video files that get
written once and don't change or get erased. No MythTV stuff
* Florian Philipp li...@binarywings.net [121225 07:16]:
Am 23.12.2012 20:23, schrieb fe...@crowfix.com:
I have since had some time to explore this and find it related to the
kernel; 3.6.10 works fine, while 3.7.1 fails. If I reset during the
3.7.1 boot while it is spewing its error
Bruce Hill wrote:
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 08:38:30PM -0600, Dale wrote:
Bruce Hill wrote:
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 06:29:07PM -0600, »Q« wrote:
On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 17:04:13 -0600
Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote:
Gentoo had mkinitrd once upon a time, but it's now in attic.
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 08:56:56AM -0600, Bruce Hill wrote:
We're on the road, getting ready to pack, and not in a good position to do
much on this issue atm.
Nevertheless, a most unexpected Christmas present! In progress, and thank you.
My dilemna certainly isn't urgent, since 3.6.10 still
On Dec 25, 2012 10:44 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
Merry Christmas to all.
Upgrading an external USB2 drive at home this Christmas morning to
1TB for more video storage space. One large partition, non-raid, files
are around 1GB. The drive holds only static video
Nuno J. Silva wrote:
On 2012-12-25, Bruce Hill wrote:
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 02:10:28PM +0200, Nuno J. Silva wrote:
No, actually it doesn't. It just has the same kind of very generic claim
that has been repeated several times in this thread (which is why?
because it won't work) and links to
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 10:58:54AM -0500, Todd Goodman wrote:
A me too on the problem the original poster is seeing.
I too am seeing this on a server I have. 3.7.0 and 3.7.1 both don't work
but 3.6.10 works fine.
I'm using the sata_mv driver with a SuperMicro (two actually) cards with
Am 25.12.2012 16:41, schrieb Mark Knecht:
Hi,
Merry Christmas to all.
Upgrading an external USB2 drive at home this Christmas morning to
1TB for more video storage space. One large partition, non-raid, files
are around 1GB. The drive holds only static video files that get
written
* Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com [121224 21:17]:
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 04:54:08PM -0800, Mark Knecht wrote:
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 4:29 PM, »Q« boxc...@gmx.net wrote:
On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 17:04:13 -0600
Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote:
Gentoo had
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 8:33 AM, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote:
On Dec 25, 2012 10:44 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote:
SNIP
With the previous local drive I used ext3 and have had no problems.
I'm just wondering if there's a better choice why.
SNIP
For your usage, I
On 2012-12-25, Dale wrote:
Nuno J. Silva wrote:
On 2012-12-25, Bruce Hill wrote:
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 02:10:28PM +0200, Nuno J. Silva wrote:
No, actually it doesn't. It just has the same kind of very generic claim
that has been repeated several times in this thread (which is why?
Florian Philipp wrote:
Am 25.12.2012 16:41, schrieb Mark Knecht:
Hi,
Merry Christmas to all.
Upgrading an external USB2 drive at home this Christmas morning to
1TB for more video storage space. One large partition, non-raid, files
are around 1GB. The drive holds only static video
On 12/25/2012 12:07 PM, Mark Knecht wrote:
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 8:33 AM, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote:
On Dec 25, 2012 10:44 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote:
SNIP
With the previous local drive I used ext3 and have had no problems.
I'm just wondering if there's a
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 11:51:20AM +0800, William Kenworthy wrote
It does a few other things ... attached it here as its not that long.
Thanks. The mdev setup has always required CONFIG_DEVTMPFS=y. The
other stuff (that udev-mount does) appears to be similar to what mdev
does at bootup, as
Nuno J. Silva wrote:
On 2012-12-25, Dale wrote:
Quoting from Gentoo news item:
Which was exactly the thing I was commenting on above, ok.
[...]
Now are you saying the Gentoo devs are lying to us? Careful now. Could
end up on a slippery slope and bump your head. That says anything BEFORE
Michael Orlitzky wrote:
On 12/25/2012 12:07 PM, Mark Knecht wrote:
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 8:33 AM, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote:
On Dec 25, 2012 10:44 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote:
SNIP
With the previous local drive I used ext3 and have had no problems.
I'm just
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 7:14 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote:
On Dec 25, 2012 3:04 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 1:38 AM, G.Wolfe Woodbury redwo...@gmail.com
wrote:
[ snip ]
From what has been happening with the systemd stuff, I do not see
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 7:56 AM, Joshua Murphy poiso...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 3:01 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
[ snip ]
* Really simple service unit files: The service unit files are really
small, really simple, really easy to understand/modify. Compare
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 9:18 AM, Michael Orlitzky mich...@orlitzky.com wrote:
On 12/25/2012 12:07 PM, Mark Knecht wrote:
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 8:33 AM, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote:
On Dec 25, 2012 10:44 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote:
SNIP
With the previous local
On 2012-12-25, Dale wrote:
Nuno J. Silva wrote:
On 2012-12-25, Dale wrote:
[...]
I might add, I have ALWAYS had a separate /usr. Darn near a decade
now. It has never failed to boot because /usr was on a separate
partition. NOT ONCE. Now I am told it is going to fail. Go figure.
Go try
Am 25.12.2012 19:26, schrieb Mark Knecht:
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 9:18 AM, Michael Orlitzky mich...@orlitzky.com
wrote:
On 12/25/2012 12:07 PM, Mark Knecht wrote:
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 8:33 AM, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote:
On Dec 25, 2012 10:44 PM, Mark Knecht
Am 25.12.2012 18:15, schrieb Dale:
Florian Philipp wrote:
Am 25.12.2012 16:41, schrieb Mark Knecht:
Hi,
Merry Christmas to all.
Upgrading an external USB2 drive at home this Christmas morning to
1TB for more video storage space. One large partition, non-raid, files
are around 1GB.
Florian Philipp wrote:
Am 25.12.2012 18:15, schrieb Dale:
Florian Philipp wrote:
Am 25.12.2012 16:41, schrieb Mark Knecht:
Hi,
Merry Christmas to all.
Upgrading an external USB2 drive at home this Christmas morning to
1TB for more video storage space. One large partition, non-raid,
2012/12/25 Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com:
Upgrading an external USB2 drive at home this Christmas morning to
1TB for more video storage space. One large partition, non-raid, files
are around 1GB. The drive holds only static video files that get
written once and don't change or get
On Tue, 25 Dec 2012 07:09:49 +0800, William Kenworthy wrote:
I used initrd's many years ago, and separate /usr and/ until on a redhat
system I rebooted with an out of sequence initrd and kernel on a
critical server (the sort of thing that puts your employment at risk
when there are 20 odd
Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Tue, 25 Dec 2012 07:09:49 +0800, William Kenworthy wrote:
I used initrd's many years ago, and separate /usr and/ until on a redhat
system I rebooted with an out of sequence initrd and kernel on a
critical server (the sort of thing that puts your employment at risk
On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 20:33:34 -0600, Dale wrote:
Putting /usr on LVM is not the problem. I have had /usr on LVM for a
good long while now. It has booted just fine. The new udev is what is
going to break it, whether I use LVM or not from what has been said on
this list and elsewhere.
I've
On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 13:23:16 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote:
I don't like, really don't like, the work that currently goes into
making my 'init thingy' work. All the Gentoo docs about creating
hierarchies by hand and populating them with files and then compressing
it. All that drives me nuts. It
On Mon, 2012-12-24 at 22:46 +0530, Nilesh Govindrajan wrote:
I'm on ~amd64. Updated portage in the morning.
But it seems the .38 version has a nasty bug.
It freezes the system every single time I try to compile a cross tool
chain.
I tried with various options, like reducing make jobs,
Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 20:33:34 -0600, Dale wrote:
Putting /usr on LVM is not the problem. I have had /usr on LVM for a
good long while now. It has booted just fine. The new udev is what is
going to break it, whether I use LVM or not from what has been said on
this list
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 08:56:56AM -0600, Bruce Hill wrote:
I would suggest you run lspci -nnk with your running 3.6.10 kernel and save
that output. Then go into the kernel source directory for 3.7.1, run make
mrproper then make defconfig and enable all the kernel drivers listed in
the lspci
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 1:19 PM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 13:23:16 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote:
I don't like, really don't like, the work that currently goes into
making my 'init thingy' work. All the Gentoo docs about creating
hierarchies by hand and
On Tue, 25 Dec 2012 15:42:22 -0600, Dale wrote:
I've been running separate /usr on LVM with ~arch udev and no
initramfs on a couple of systems with no problems. The news item is
taking the easy way out by saying it will break rather than it may
break - such breakage is by no means certain
On Tue, 25 Dec 2012 14:00:36 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote:
The right tools are included, and documented, with your kernel.
Create a plain text config file detailing the contents of the
initramfs and set CONFIG_INITRAMFS_SOURCE to the path top this file.
That and an init script are all you
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
On Tue, 25 Dec 2012 14:00:36 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote:
The right tools are included, and documented, with your kernel.
Create a plain text config file detailing the contents of the
initramfs and set
fe...@crowfix.com wrote:
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 08:56:56AM -0600, Bruce Hill wrote:
I would suggest you run lspci -nnk with your running 3.6.10 kernel and save
that output. Then go into the kernel source directory for 3.7.1, run make
mrproper then make defconfig and enable all the kernel
Nuno J. Silva wrote:
On 2012-12-25, Dale wrote:
root@fireball / # egrep 'usb-db|pci-db|FROM_DATABASE|/usr' /*/udev/rules.d/*
[...]
$$D; printf %%03i:%%03i $$B $$D', RUN+=/bin/sh -c '/usr/bin/python
/usr/bin/hp-check-plugin -m %c '
/lib/udev/rules.d/86-hpmud_plugin.rules:SUBSYSTEM==usb,
On Tue, 25 Dec 2012 19:17:24 Nuno J. Silva wrote:
Also, if you actually read the linked URL, it does explain it won't fail
to boot. You do realize these are two different issues here, right? One
is people saying that udev-181 will fail to boot, other is the issue
described on the URL linked
Mark Knecht wrote:
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
On Tue, 25 Dec 2012 14:00:36 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote:
The right tools are included, and documented, with your kernel.
Create a plain text config file detailing the contents of the
initramfs and set
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Mark Knecht wrote:
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
On Tue, 25 Dec 2012 14:00:36 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote:
The right tools are included, and documented, with your kernel.
Create a plain
Paul Colquhoun wrote:
On Tue, 25 Dec 2012 19:17:24 Nuno J. Silva wrote:
Also, if you actually read the linked URL, it does explain it won't fail
to boot. You do realize these are two different issues here, right? One
is people saying that udev-181 will fail to boot, other is the
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 04:20:23PM -0600, Dale wrote:
This is what I would try:
...
Maybe that will help. At least get you to a console. That alone makes
fixing something else easier.
Checked all that -- it boots into the same ATA driver failures as the
bloated version of the kernel.
On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 1:23 PM, fe...@crowfix.com wrote:
Google does not enlighten me. One suggestion was change the SATA cable, but
this is definitely a change from 3.6.10 to 3.7.1.
I can't find where I read it, but just yesterday I was reading a
somewhat recent LKML post which mentioned
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 11:51:43AM -0500, Todd Goodman wrote:
Same question ... initrd.gz and initramfs are *not* the same thing; and
there
was a package called mkinitrd in Gentoo that was retired to attic some time
ago, before my exodus from Slackware to Gentoo; therefore, I don't
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 10:01:14PM +0700, Pandu Poluan wrote:
When you're in charge of over 100 servers as the back-end of a
multinational company that has a revenue in excess of 10 million USD per
day, even a temporary outage means the CIO, COO, and CEO breathing down
your neck.
Mark Knecht wrote:
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Mark Knecht wrote:
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
On Tue, 25 Dec 2012 14:00:36 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote:
The right tools are included, and documented, with your
fe...@crowfix.com wrote:
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 04:20:23PM -0600, Dale wrote:
This is what I would try:
...
Maybe that will help. At least get you to a console. That alone makes
fixing something else easier.
Checked all that -- it boots into the same ATA driver failures as the
bloated
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 06:03:12PM -0600, Dale wrote:
Is it possible that you have two SATA drivers enabled and the two
conflict each other? I read, I think on this list, where someone had to
disable one driver for the correct driver to work. You may want to go here:
On Dec 26, 2012 6:35 AM, Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com
wrote:
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 10:01:14PM +0700, Pandu Poluan wrote:
When you're in charge of over 100 servers as the back-end of a
multinational company that has a revenue in excess of 10 million
USD per
day,
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 01:11:04PM +0100, Florian Philipp wrote:
The best way to find out what's wrong is to bisect the kernel, i.e.
finding the exact commit that caused the issue to appear.
http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Kernel_git-bisect
Got the repository cloned:
# git clone
On Dec 26, 2012 3:05 AM, Carlos Hendson skyc...@gmx.net wrote:
On Mon, 2012-12-24 at 22:46 +0530, Nilesh Govindrajan wrote:
I'm on ~amd64. Updated portage in the morning.
But it seems the .38 version has a nasty bug.
It freezes the system every single time I try to compile a cross tool
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 6:31 PM, Bruce Hill
da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote:
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 10:01:14PM +0700, Pandu Poluan wrote:
When you're in charge of over 100 servers as the back-end of a
multinational company that has a revenue in excess of 10 million USD per
day,
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 8:16 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 6:31 PM, Bruce Hill
da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote:
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 10:01:14PM +0700, Pandu Poluan wrote:
When you're in charge of over 100 servers as the back-end of a
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