Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} LWP::UserAgent slows website

2013-02-08 Thread Michael Mol
On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 5:10 PM, Grant emailgr...@gmail.com wrote: A little more infromation would help. like what webserver, what kind of requests, etc -Kevin It's apache and the requests/responses are XML. I know this is pathetically little information with which to diagnose the problem.

Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} LWP::UserAgent slows website

2013-02-08 Thread Michael Mol
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/08/2013 09:39 PM, Grant wrote: A little more infromation would help. like what webserver, what kind of requests, etc -Kevin It's apache and the requests/responses are XML. I know this is pathetically little information with which to

Re: [gentoo-user] Creating accounts in Thunderbird

2013-02-04 Thread Michael Mol
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: For the first one, host is 127.0.0.1, wizard validates it as saves it as localhost. For the second one, host is again entered as

Re: [gentoo-user] udev-191 bit me. Insufficient ptys

2013-02-02 Thread Michael Mol
On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 2:17 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, 2 Feb 2013 16:21:10 +0100 Alex Schuster wo...@wonkology.org wrote: Michael Mol writes: So, I botched the upgrade to udev-191. I thought I'd followed the steps, but I apparently only covered them for one

[gentoo-user] Unable to change data mode on remount

2013-02-01 Thread Michael Mol
So, after my borked udev upgrade, I had some data corruption; I found one email containing half of another while in Thunderbird. Either I hit a software bug, a hardware bug or an unsafe unmount. Of the three, unsafe unmount is by far the most likely, so I added data=ordered to my fstab entries for

Re: [gentoo-user] udev-191 bit me. Insufficient ptys

2013-01-31 Thread Michael Mol
On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 11:48 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 10:45 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 9:35 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: So, I botched the upgrade to udev-191. I thought I'd followed

Re: [gentoo-user] udev-191 bit me. Insufficient ptys

2013-01-31 Thread Michael Mol
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 8:26 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 11:48 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 10:45 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 9:35 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] udev-191 bit me. Insufficient ptys

2013-01-31 Thread Michael Mol
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 8:47 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 8:26 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 11:48 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 10:45 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] udev-191 bit me. Insufficient ptys

2013-01-31 Thread Michael Mol
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 9:05 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 8:47 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 8:26 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 11:48 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote

Re: [gentoo-user] udev-191 bit me. Insufficient ptys

2013-01-31 Thread Michael Mol
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Peter Humphrey pe...@humphrey.ukfsn.org wrote: On Thursday 31 January 2013 14:05:07 Michael Mol wrote: OK, it looks like /dev/pts is not mounted. But darned if I know why...Isn't udev supposed to handle that? Why did you remove udev-mount from the sysinit

Re: [gentoo-user] udev-191 bit me. Insufficient ptys

2013-01-31 Thread Michael Mol
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 30 Jan 2013 22:35:06 -0500 Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: So, I botched the upgrade to udev-191. I thought I'd followed the steps, but I apparently only covered them for one machine, not both

Re: [gentoo-user] udev-191 bit me. Insufficient ptys

2013-01-31 Thread Michael Mol
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday 31 Jan 2013 14:37:00 Michael Mol wrote: On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Peter Humphrey pe...@humphrey.ukfsn.org wrote: On Thursday 31 January 2013 14:05:07 Michael Mol wrote: OK, it looks like /dev/pts

[gentoo-user] udev-191 bit me. Insufficient ptys

2013-01-30 Thread Michael Mol
So, I botched the upgrade to udev-191. I thought I'd followed the steps, but I apparently only covered them for one machine, not both. The news item instructions specified that I had to remove udev-postmount from my runlevels. I didn't have udev-postmount in my runlevels, so I didn't remove it.

Re: [gentoo-user] ebtables on Gentoo?

2013-01-29 Thread Michael Mol
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 9:45 AM, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Hello, From here: http://ebtables.sourceforge.net/ We read: The ebtables tool can be combined with the other Linux filtering tools (iptables, ip6tables and arptables) to make a bridging firewall that is also capable of

Re: [gentoo-user] *draft* for setting up network bridge with systemd (for qemu/kvm)

2013-01-29 Thread Michael Mol
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 10:32 AM, Stefan G. Weichinger li...@xunil.at wrote: Am 28.01.2013 22:49, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger: ps: my bigger hurdle will be the bridging-setup for running KVM-virtualization. This was

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: networking and libvirt

2013-01-28 Thread Michael Mol
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Randy Barlow ra...@electronsweatshop.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/20/2013 12:37 AM, William Kenworthy wrote: So what is usually recommended and works for this scenario? I personally use a bridged interface that allows my VMs

Re: [gentoo-user] libv8 segfault

2013-01-23 Thread Michael Mol
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Nilesh Govindrajan m...@nileshgr.com wrote: I tried compiling all versions of chromium (-O3, but it always worked previously) v8 (tried -O3 -O2 too) but it always segfaults when I try to open the settings page. CrRendererMain[6059]: segfault at 5 ip

Re: [gentoo-user] libv8 segfault

2013-01-23 Thread Michael Mol
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Nilesh Govindrajan m...@nileshgr.com wrote: On Wednesday 23 January 2013 09:29:22 PM IST, Michael Mol wrote: On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Nilesh Govindrajan m...@nileshgr.com wrote: I tried compiling all versions of chromium (-O3, but it always worked

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Overclocking CPU causes segmentation fault

2013-01-23 Thread Michael Mol
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 12:16 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 23.01.2013 16:35, schrieb Nikos Chantziaras: On 23/01/13 17:09, Nilesh Govindrajan wrote: On Wednesday 23 January 2013 07:52:03 PM IST, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: [...] In my experience, most of the time

Re: [gentoo-user] How can I update *every* ebuild?

2013-01-23 Thread Michael Mol
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 2:48 PM, Jarry mr.ja...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Gentoo-users, I always thought the right way to update everything was: emerge --update --deep --newuse world emerge --update --deep --newuse system When I try the above mentioned, nothing to update is found. Yet when I try

Re: [gentoo-user] How can I update *every* ebuild?

2013-01-23 Thread Michael Mol
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Hilco Wijbenga hilco.wijbe...@gmail.com wrote: On 23 January 2013 11:53, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 2:48 PM, Jarry mr.ja...@gmail.com wrote: snip/ emerge --update --deep --newuse world emerge --update --deep --newuse system

Re: [gentoo-user] java vs icedtea6

2013-01-16 Thread Michael Mol
On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 2:43 AM, Daniel Campbell dlcampb...@gmx.com wrote: On 01/15/2013 11:32 PM, Nilesh Govindrajan wrote: On Wednesday 16 January 2013 10:32:11 AM IST, Kevin Brandstatter wrote: I'm curious as well about the potential exploitability of icedtea. I would think that since the

Re: [gentoo-user] Load average in make

2013-01-16 Thread Michael Mol
On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 9:48 AM, Nilesh Govindrajan m...@nileshgr.com wrote: On Wednesday 16 January 2013 06:19:50 PM IST, Michael Hampicke wrote: Am 16.01.2013 12:09, schrieb Nilesh Govindrajan: Hi, Make has two options which control number of jobs by load average. --jobs and

Re: [gentoo-user] System won't boot if CMOS clock is slow

2013-01-16 Thread Michael Mol
On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 12:52 PM, Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 04:43:16PM +, Grant Edwards wrote: I'm having problems with one of my Gentoo systems who's motherboard clock is a little slow. When the system comes up, the system time is set from

Re: [gentoo-user] System won't boot if CMOS clock is slow

2013-01-16 Thread Michael Mol
On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 1:04 PM, Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 12:55:56PM -0500, Michael Mol wrote: His system clock runs slow, it's not a matter of the CMOS battery being dead. If it were dead, the clock would be years off. Experience has shown

[gentoo-user] Calibre and kindle

2013-01-16 Thread Michael Mol
Has anyone had any success with app-text/calibre on Gentoo? On Ubuntu, it picks up that I've plugged in a device and happily allows me to manage it. On Gentoo, it doesn't seem to notice a thing. For now, it works fine as an ebook reader, but not so great for managing devices. $ eix calibre [I]

Re: [gentoo-user] Calibre and kindle

2013-01-16 Thread Michael Mol
On Jan 16, 2013 3:52 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 15:21:03 -0500 Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: Has anyone had any success with app-text/calibre on Gentoo? On Ubuntu, it picks up that I've plugged in a device and happily allows me to manage

Re: [gentoo-user] Calibre and kindle

2013-01-16 Thread Michael Mol
On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 15:56:01 -0500 Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Jan 16, 2013 3:52 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 15:21:03 -0500 Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Calibre and kindle

2013-01-16 Thread Michael Mol
On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 4:32 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 15:56:01 -0500 Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Jan 16, 2013 3:52 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Xlib tutorial

2013-01-15 Thread Michael Mol
On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 6:55 AM, pat p...@xvalheru.org wrote: Hello, Sorry for this off topic. I want to learn how to develop UI applications using Xlib. I've searched web, but I could not find a tutorial which will explain it all (found some short examples). Please, could someone suggest a

[gentoo-user] No native exception to re-raise

2013-01-15 Thread Michael Mol
I've seen this error a couple times this week. Has anyone else seen it before? Is there a simple way to clear it, or am I going to need to dig into emerge's source code and study it? $ emerge --searchdesc pulseaudio Searching... |Traceback (most recent call last): File /usr/bin/emerge, line

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: Fighting bit rot

2013-01-08 Thread Michael Mol
On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 10:29 AM, Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com wrote: On 2013-01-08, Florian Philipp li...@binarywings.net wrote: Am 08.01.2013 00:20, schrieb Alan McKinnon: On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 21:11:35 +0100 Florian Philipp li...@binarywings.net wrote: Hi list! I have a use case

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: 4 machines - no /dev/cdrom or /dev/dvd anymore

2013-01-08 Thread Michael Mol
On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 4:12 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 8 Jan 2013 12:26:04 -0800 Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 1:21 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP Life is full of silly and not-so-silly conventions and

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Fighting bit rot

2013-01-07 Thread Michael Mol
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Florian Philipp li...@binarywings.net wrote: Hi list! I have a use case where I am seriously concerned about bit rot [1] and I thought it might be a good idea to start looking for it in my own private stuff, too. Solving the problem is easy enough: - Record

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: 4 machines - no /dev/cdrom or /dev/dvd anymore

2013-01-07 Thread Michael Mol
On Jan 7, 2013 8:08 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 3:25 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 7 Jan 2013 09:37:05 -0800 Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: Now, my point is that change to /dev/srX was the root cause is FUD. It

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Resetting USB flash

2013-01-04 Thread Michael Mol
On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: I was trying to zero out a USB stick and at some point it seems to have locked itself up. By that I mean that for all intends and purposes I cannot write to it in any conceivable way. I tried to delete /dev/sdb1 with

Re: [gentoo-user] Firefox and ssl

2013-01-04 Thread Michael Mol
On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday 04 Jan 2013 12:45:01 Robert David wrote: Hi all, anyone have problem with firefox and selfsigned ssl? I tryed firefox and firefox-bin. Firefox: Problem loading page: Secure connection failed. Firefox-bin:

Re: [gentoo-user] IPTABLES syntax change?

2013-01-04 Thread Michael Mol
On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 3:17 PM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: On Wed, Jan 02, 2013 at 11:32:58PM -0500, Michael Orlitzky wrote On 12/30/2012 10:21 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: [0:0] -A FECESBOOK -j LOG --log-prefix FECESBOOK: --log-level 6 [0:0] -A FECESBOOK -j DROP [0:0] -A INPUT -s

Re: [gentoo-user] IPTABLES syntax change?

2013-01-04 Thread Michael Mol
On Jan 4, 2013 8:33 PM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: On Fri, Jan 04, 2013 at 03:27:59PM -0500, Michael Mol wrote On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 3:17 PM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: The mere fact that you haven't manually typed in... http://www.facebook.com

Re: [gentoo-user] http://archives.gentoo.org/ doesn't include gentoo-user?

2013-01-03 Thread Michael Mol
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 9:08 AM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: I find this very strange, or am I just blind? Mailing list archives have been screwed up for almost a year... -- :wq

Re: [gentoo-user] http://archives.gentoo.org/ doesn't include gentoo-user?

2013-01-03 Thread Michael Mol
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 9:14 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 9:08 AM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: I find this very strange, or am I just blind? Mailing list archives have been screwed up for almost a year... OK, apparently only six months. Since June

Re: [gentoo-user] http://archives.gentoo.org/ doesn't include gentoo-user?

2013-01-03 Thread Michael Mol
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 9:31 AM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 6:15 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 9:14 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 9:08 AM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: I find

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: http://archives.gentoo.org/ doesn't include gentoo-user?

2013-01-03 Thread Michael Mol
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Hartmut Figge h.fi...@gmx.de wrote: Mark Knecht: [gentoo-user] Also, are _very_ old archives available anywhere anymore? http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user If you use the second entry 'On the web, using a blog-like, flat interface' and scroll down,

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: http://archives.gentoo.org/ doesn't include gentoo-user?

2013-01-03 Thread Michael Mol
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 10:08 AM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 6:54 AM, Hartmut Figge h.fi...@gmx.de wrote: Mark Knecht: [gentoo-user] Also, are _very_ old archives available anywhere anymore? http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user If you use the

Re: [gentoo-user] http://archives.gentoo.org/ doesn't include gentoo-user?

2013-01-03 Thread Michael Mol
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Michael Orlitzky mich...@orlitzky.com wrote: On 01/03/2013 09:14 AM, Michael Mol wrote: On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 9:08 AM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: I find this very strange, or am I just blind? Mailing list archives have been screwed up for almost

Re: [gentoo-user] Ethernet Machination

2013-01-02 Thread Michael Mol
On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 7:53 AM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: On 2013-01-01 7:55 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 6:50 PM, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: So now that only one ethernet shows up, how do I prevent udev from renaming eth0

Re: [gentoo-user] Ethernet Machination

2013-01-02 Thread Michael Mol
On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 10:35 AM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: On 2013-01-02 10:24 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: I once had an onboard NIC go bad, and the PCI NIC I substituted for it wouldn't work unless the onboard NIC was disabled. So disabling onboard hardware may

Re: [gentoo-user] gnome 3.6 ... and related thoughts

2013-01-01 Thread Michael Mol
On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 2:55 PM, Stefan G. Weichinger li...@xunil.at wrote: Am 28.12.2012 00:45, schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: No, it works that way. You could changed in previous versions with the /apps/metacity/general/mouse_button_modifier key in gconftool-2, but now it's gone. I don't know

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] codec for video embedded in presentation

2013-01-01 Thread Michael Mol
On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 5:19 PM, Nuno J. Silva nunojsi...@ist.utl.pt wrote: On 2013-01-01, Stroller wrote: On 30 December 2012, at 11:39, Nuno J. Silva wrote: ... The AVI container has been used by windows for a long time, so I'd say chances are that it will work on more systems, but I can't

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] codec for video embedded in presentation

2012-12-29 Thread Michael Mol
On Dec 29, 2012 9:08 PM, Francisco Ares fra...@gmail.com wrote: Hello All, I know this is WAY off- topic, but I have seen topics in many different areas, probably some gentooers will be glad to share experiences. I am trying to create some videos for a M$ Office presentation. Some are from

Re: [Bulk] Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-28 Thread Michael Mol
On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 9:10 AM, Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Should perl be in / or /usr? Now that is a good question, if only because Perl traditionally _loathes_ being in /bin, for its own philosophical reasons. Now, as a practical matter? WTF are the scripts written in

Re: Should /usr be merged with /? (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?)

2012-12-28 Thread Michael Mol
On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Mark David Dumlao madum...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 1:33 AM, Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote: Dang, I got an Excedrin® headache! Heh. Mike said he was game. It's going to have to wait a bit. I'm not going to be able to get to

Re: [Bulk] Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-27 Thread Michael Mol
On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Mark David Dumlao madum...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 12:28 AM, Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Again you don't break the spec unless you have to and you don't change the spec unless it is an improvement or you have no choice. Non

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-27 Thread Michael Mol
On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 1:31 PM, Mark David Dumlao madum...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 2:15 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: So I guess Linus is confused to? In your head, and only in your head, you're agreeing with Linus. Linus was talking about a different bug entirely

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-27 Thread Michael Mol
: On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 12:22:24 +0200 nunojsi...@ist.utl.pt (Nuno J. Silva) wrote: On 2012-12-18, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 09:08:53 -0500 Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: This sentence summarizes my understanding of your post nicely: Now, why

Re: [Bulk] Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-27 Thread Michael Mol
On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 3:16 PM, Mark David Dumlao madum...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 2:40 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: or the fact that some udev programs tend to be located in /usr, That's either a bug with those programs, or a need for architectural

Re: [Bulk] Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-27 Thread Michael Mol
On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 5:37 PM, Mark David Dumlao madum...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 4:59 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 3:16 PM, Mark David Dumlao madum...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 2:40 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet? - what was wron with SysVInit?

2012-12-26 Thread Michael Mol
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 6:01 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] I didn't started the thread, Wolfe did. I just answered his question from my point of view. And, what community is being divided? Fedora,OpenSuse, and Arch use systemd by default. Gentoo derivative Exherbo

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet? - what was wron with SysVInit?

2012-12-25 Thread Michael Mol
On Dec 25, 2012 3:04 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 1:38 AM, G.Wolfe Woodbury redwo...@gmail.com wrote: [ snip ] From what has been happening with the systemd stuff, I do not see what advantages it really offers over the SysV scheme and its

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-25 Thread Michael Mol
On Dec 25, 2012 8:07 AM, Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 10:56:52AM +0700, Pandu Poluan wrote: When you're in charge of over 100 servers as the back-end of a multinational company that has a revenue in excess of 10 million USD per day, even a

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-25 Thread Michael Mol
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 6:31 PM, Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 10:01:14PM +0700, Pandu Poluan wrote: When you're in charge of over 100 servers as the back-end of a multinational company that has a revenue in excess of 10 million USD per day,

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Michael Mol
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Nuno J. Silva nunojsi...@ist.utl.pt wrote: On 2012-12-24, Dale wrote: [snip] Well, so far I have stuck with the udev that works without a init thingy. I do have a init thingy for when the udev that requires it is marked stable. The devs are keeping the

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Michael Mol
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Nuno J. Silva nunojsi...@ist.utl.pt wrote: On 2012-12-24, Michael Mol wrote: On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Nuno J. Silva nunojsi...@ist.utl.pt wrote: On 2012-12-24, Dale wrote: [...] From my understanding, if I upgrade my system to the later version

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Michael Mol
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Dale wrote: Michael Mol wrote: you wouldn't have this problem if you did *something else* is a terrible response. There are very good reasons to use LVM. There are good (IMO, at least) reasons to avoid using an initr

Re: [gentoo-user] 3.7.1 SATA errors

2012-12-24 Thread Michael Mol
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 6:35 AM, Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote: On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 11:23:35AM -0800, fe...@crowfix.com wrote: snip, whack, d200d, cough, spit Puhleeeze don't put such long stuff

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: android and mtp

2012-12-24 Thread Michael Mol
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com wrote: On 2012-12-24, Nilesh Govindrajan m...@nileshgr.com wrote: On Monday 24 December 2012 09:24:16 AM IST, Grant Edwards wrote: I'm glad they chose MTP: I want my phone to continue to work while I'm transferring files.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Michael Mol
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: [snip] The problems with that is these: It worked ALL these years, why should it not now? I have / on a traditional partition which is not going to resize easily. If I put / on LVM, I need a init

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Michael Mol
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 4:43 PM, Mark David Dumlao madum...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 4:00 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: If I put / on LVM, I need a init thingy. No you don't. You could use a boot partition. Or grub2. I don't remember reading /boot as a suggested

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Michael Mol
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 6:31 PM, Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 05:23:13PM -0500, Michael Mol wrote: Then came the decision to move udev inside /usr, forcing the issue. Now, it'd been long understood that udev *itself* hadn't been broken

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-23 Thread Michael Mol
: On 2012-12-18, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 09:08:53 -0500 Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: This sentence summarizes my understanding of your post nicely: Now, why is /usr special? It's because it contains executable code the system might require

Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} open-source: chat, tasks, resources, code

2012-12-20 Thread Michael Mol
On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 4:02 PM, Grant emailgr...@gmail.com wrote: I should have specified that the people in the organization are spread out in different locations. It sounds like it is difficult/dangerous to run an internet-facing IRC server and ejabberd is unstable? This is what VPNs are

Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} open-source: chat, tasks, resources, code

2012-12-20 Thread Michael Mol
On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Grant emailgr...@gmail.com wrote: Is ejabberd difficult to run over the internet safely? I doubt it. But you'd want to give the docs a thorough reading to make sure you have security questions locked down properly. Off the top of my head...don't allow remote

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-19 Thread Michael Mol
On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 4:26 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 17:55:16 -0500 Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 9:33 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 09:08:53 -0500 Michael Mol mike

Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} open-source: chat, tasks, resources, code

2012-12-19 Thread Michael Mol
On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Grant emailgr...@gmail.com wrote: XMPP clients are a dime a dozen, take you pick: pidgin, kopete, telepathy and a hots of others. Servers are another story. All of them that you can lay your hands on seem to suck big eggs big time. ejabberd

Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} open-source: chat, tasks, resources, code

2012-12-18 Thread Michael Mol
On Dec 18, 2012 6:33 AM, Marc Joliet mar...@gmx.de wrote: Am Mon, 17 Dec 2012 18:04:46 -0800 schrieb Grant emailgr...@gmail.com: [...] XMPP clients are a dime a dozen, take you pick: pidgin, kopete, telepathy and a hots of others. Servers are another story. All of them that you

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-18 Thread Michael Mol
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 3:46 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 16:02:54 +0800 Mark David Dumlao madum...@gmail.com wrote: That was the original reason for having / and /usr separate, and it dates back to the early 70s. The other reason that stems from that

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-18 Thread Michael Mol
On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 9:33 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 09:08:53 -0500 Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: This sentence summarizes my understanding of your post nicely: Now, why is /usr special? It's because it contains executable code the system

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-18 Thread Michael Mol
On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 6:07 PM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 17:55:16 -0500, Michael Mol wrote: #2 already has a solution, it's called an init*. Other solutions exist but none are as elegant as a throwaway temporary filesystem in RAM. I find virtually

Re: [gentoo-user] Dual or Quad CPU complications?

2012-12-17 Thread Michael Mol
Something _really_ weird happened to your quoting; you quoted my email, but your email client said you wrote it. On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 2:00 AM, J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 10:39 AM, J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: ^-- weird --^ On Sunday, December

Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} open-source: chat, tasks, resources, code

2012-12-17 Thread Michael Mol
On Dec 17, 2012 8:00 PM, Grant emailgr...@gmail.com wrote: When I need a new web-based software tool, I consider writing it myself and if that isn't feasible I try to use something open-source and self-hosted. I need something for chat, task management, resource management, and code

Re: [gentoo-user] Dual or Quad CPU complications?

2012-12-16 Thread Michael Mol
On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 10:39 AM, J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: On Sunday, December 16, 2012 01:52:46 PM Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am Samstag, 15. Dezember 2012, 20:57:24 schrieb J. Roeleveld: Even on a system with only 2 sockets, it can be useful to have NUMA available. or not,

[gentoo-user] Fwd: [gentoo-dev] eudev project announcement

2012-12-15 Thread Michael Mol
-- Forwarded message -- From: Richard Yao r...@gentoo.org Date: Dec 14, 2012 10:59 PM Subject: [gentoo-dev] eudev project announcement To: gentoo-dev-announce+subscr...@lists.gentoo.org Cc: gentoo-...@lists.gentoo.org gentoo-...@lists.gentoo.org, gentoo-proj...@lists.gentoo.org

Re: [gentoo-user] ~amd64 compatibility with modern cpus

2012-12-14 Thread Michael Mol
(Admittedly quick and dirty response) On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 11:18 AM, fe...@crowfix.com wrote: Something went haywire with my 8 or 9 year old dual Opteron ~amd64 system last night. I may have a bricked system. I haven't given up yet, but I may have to buy a replacement system. I have

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-14 Thread Michael Mol
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, 14 Dec 2012 15:26:25 +0200 Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com wrote: On 14/12/12 14:19, Dale wrote: I'm thinking of switching and getting rid of the init thingy Huh? Once upon a time, not so long ago,

Re: [gentoo-user] ~amd64 compatibility with modern cpus

2012-12-14 Thread Michael Mol
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 1:43 PM, fe...@crowfix.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 12:34:49PM -0600, Bruce Hill wrote: Boot with SystemRescueCd and you can't get to a prompt? Currently can't even boot -- it hangs wit a blank screen at the point grub or the rescue DVD would take over. Yes,

Re: [gentoo-user] ~amd64 compatibility with modern cpus -- REBOOT OK THIS A.M.

2012-12-14 Thread Michael Mol
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 2:51 PM, fe...@crowfix.com wrote: I finally ran out of excuses to not reboot after a night powered off, and it did. It's all running normally now, but I think it's time for me to take the hint, grab a clue, and start researching a replacement. I think you'll find

Re: [gentoo-user] Dual or Quad CPU complications?

2012-12-14 Thread Michael Mol
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 10:16 PM, Grant emailgr...@gmail.com wrote: So if I have 2 physical CPU's with 4 cores each and I enable SMP, I'm using 8 cores? Can NUMA be either enabled or disabled when using more than one physical CPU, or is it required? NUMA is a

Re: [gentoo-user] Mounting floppy disks

2012-12-12 Thread Michael Mol
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 8:54 AM, David W Noon dwn...@ntlworld.com wrote: On Tue, 11 Dec 2012 23:59:52 -0600, Paul Hartman wrote about [gentoo-user] Mounting floppy disks: For some reason, when I mount floppy disk (standard HD 3.5 VFAT disk) Floppies are normally formatted as FAT12, not VFAT.

Re: [gentoo-user] Localmount starts before LVM

2012-12-11 Thread Michael Mol
On Dec 11, 2012 7:57 AM, Nilesh Govindrajan m...@nileshgr.com wrote: On Tuesday 11 December 2012 05:18 PM, J. Roeleveld wrote: Ouch, auto-detect does not work with metadata 1.2. Please read the man-page section: === --auto-detect Request that the kernel starts any auto-detected

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Will ARM take over the world?

2012-12-10 Thread Michael Mol
On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 2:06 PM, Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com wrote: On 2012-12-10, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: Am Samstag, 8. Dezember 2012, 19:25:55 schrieb Grant: It seems like ARM processors will destroy x86 before too long. Does anyone think this

Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} Will ARM take over the world?

2012-12-08 Thread Michael Mol
On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 10:25 PM, Grant emailgr...@gmail.com wrote: It seems like ARM processors will destroy x86 before too long. Does anyone think this won't happen? It's looking promising. Not that I have a horse in the race, but I very much like ARM's low power consumption. The way I see

Re: [gentoo-user] libvirt

2012-12-03 Thread Michael Mol
On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 3:28 AM, Michael Hampicke gentoo-u...@hadt.biz wrote: Am 03.12.2012 04:22, schrieb Michael Mol: So, anyone have any experience with libvirt here? I'm familiar with VMWare and Xen. Not so much libvirt, which I understand to be a wrapper around other virt models

Re: [gentoo-user] libvirt

2012-12-03 Thread Michael Mol
On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Michael Hampicke gentoo-u...@hadt.biz wrote: Do you need a virsh command, or is it enough to know libvirt supports? In the second case you might look at [1] Well, given that I'm on gentoo, USE flags start getting involved in enabling and disabling

[gentoo-user] libvirt

2012-12-02 Thread Michael Mol
So, anyone have any experience with libvirt here? I'm familiar with VMWare and Xen. Not so much libvirt, which I understand to be a wrapper around other virt models. Starting from scratch in virsh...how do I ask libvirtd what pool formats it supports? -- :wq

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge --update : how to keep it going?

2012-11-30 Thread Michael Mol
On Nov 30, 2012 7:29 AM, Helmut Jarausch jarau...@igpm.rwth-aachen.de wrote: Hi, this is nuissance all the time. Updating a machine which hasn't been updated for a long(er) time I try emerge -vup --changed-use --deep --tree --with-bdeps y @system @world /root/UPD But many times this

[gentoo-user] EFI Boot on Linux

2012-11-26 Thread Michael Mol
Since I've seen the issue crop up more and more frequently on Linux-related mailing lists, I thought I'd share this link that I spotted this morning. It's an explanation of how EFI and Linux work together. http://www.rodsbooks.com/efi-bootloaders/principles.html -- :wq

Re: [gentoo-user] What is libgcc_s.so.1?

2012-11-21 Thread Michael Mol
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 5:09 PM, Grant emailgr...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] Does this basically mean I must install gcc in order to have a working system? Jude doesn't install gcc but he doesn't know why I'm getting that error. I thought gcc was only necessary for compiling. Virtually all

Re: [gentoo-user] Fwd: [gentoo-project] With regard to udev stabilization

2012-11-16 Thread Michael Mol
On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 5:47 PM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 09:20:42PM -0600, Dale wrote Well, it appears we have someone willing to fork udev. Yeppie !! Me, I'm looking forward to seeing how this works and giving it a test run when it gets ready. Since

Re: [gentoo-user] Fwd: [gentoo-project] With regard to udev stabilization

2012-11-16 Thread Michael Mol
On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 10:36 PM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 07:24:54PM -0500, Michael Mol wrote On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 5:47 PM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 09:20:42PM -0600, Dale wrote Well, it appears we have

Re: [gentoo-user] Fwd: [gentoo-project] With regard to udev stabilization

2012-11-16 Thread Michael Mol
On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 10:54 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Walter Dnes wrote: On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 07:24:54PM -0500, Michael Mol wrote On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 5:47 PM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 09:20:42PM -0600, Dale wrote Well, it appears we

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