Re: [gentoo-user] systemd installation location

2013-10-01 Thread pk
On 2013-10-01 08:16, Alan McKinnon wrote: There are many examples in /usr you could have used to illustrate your point, such as many fuse modules. And yet you chose an imaginary space invader game. Let's rather stick within the bounds of what is feasible, OK? What can I say, I like to

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd installation location

2013-09-30 Thread pk
On 2013-09-30 04:05, Mark David Dumlao wrote: It's true that it's nice to have a semblance of order where different parts go. But all libraries and binaries in /usr is also a semblance of order. You don't separate stuff for the sake of separating stuff. You separate them because you have

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Flexibility and robustness in the Linux organisim

2013-09-30 Thread pk
On 2013-09-30 00:04, Alan McKinnon wrote: It's the general idea that you can leave /usr unmounted until some random arb time later in the startup sequence and just expect things to work out fine that is broken. It just happened to work OK for years because nothing happened to use the code

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Flexibility and robustness in the Linux organisim

2013-09-30 Thread pk
On 2013-09-30 09:32, Alan McKinnon wrote: I never mentioned /var at all. Go back and read again what I did write. I'm quite aware what you wrote. If you only read what I wrote... English is not my native language but the word *may* surely cannot be misunderstood? Ok, I'll make it simple: If

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd installation location

2013-09-30 Thread pk
On 2013-09-30 08:45, Alan McKinnon wrote: That is over-simplifying the problem and trivializing it. No-one ever said the *everythign* in /usr is criticial for boot. Is it really over-simplyfying it? How am I supposed to know whatever comes next? Someone (upstream) *may* find it boot-critical

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

2013-09-29 Thread pk
On 2013-09-29 08:06, Walter Dnes wrote: What kind of insane udev maintainership do we have? And can we fix it? By starting from scratch and putting it in the kernel (which will stop people from being too creative as well, since Linus will not allow things to break so easily). The BSDs, MacOS

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

2013-09-29 Thread pk
On 2013-09-29 12:59, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: look at history, think and retry. That's just what I did. Read and retry. Best regards Peter K

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

2013-09-29 Thread pk
On 2013-09-29 18:36, Dale wrote: That could be the problem then couldn't it? Indeed. :-) Best regards Peter K

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

2013-09-28 Thread pk
On 2013-09-29 01:23, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: the correct and simple solution would be to deprecate /usr and move everything into / . Install Windows and be done with it, I say. Best regards Peter K

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

2013-09-28 Thread pk
On 2013-09-29 02:01, Dale wrote: Next, we'll have to have C: even tho we never had to have one before. ROFLMBO I would hesitate to laugh because that's where Linux is heading... And Alan and other's are right in that it's not udevs problem per se; it's all the half-desktop

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-19 Thread pk
On 2013-08-19 00:49, Dale wrote: Picking random message sort of. Isn't eudev still going to support a separate /usr? That is my understanding. If eudev is not then I may have to reconsider some things myself here. Yes, that is my understanding as well. But the decision to not support a

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-19 Thread pk
On 2013-08-19 08:35, Alan McKinnon wrote: sysvinit, like X11, needs a massive overhaul and a sprint clean. Yes, an overhaul is always welcome. But most people criticising these systems (and other systems) just say that they are bad without pointing out what is bad. How can you fix something

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-19 Thread pk
On 2013-08-19 04:55, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: Probably for exactly the same reason you or anyone else uses Gentoo; USE flags, portage, you can customize at your hearts content... USE flags, in my mind, are there for minimising dependencies so that I don't need to install all the crap that

Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-19 Thread pk
On 2013-08-19 11:21, Stroller wrote: Blimey! You must have a slow BIOS cycle. Yes, I bought the motherboard specifically for a slow BIOS cycle... ;-) Joke aside, I have a SAS raid card in the machine which probes the harddrives (four mechanical ones) which takes maybe half that time. I've been

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-19 Thread pk
On 2013-08-19 12:04, Alan McKinnon wrote: It's not that separate /usr is broken - it's not. I know. The issue is a separate /usr without an initramfs. And the issue ONLY occurs at early-boot time. It is broken for *some* systems. The problem is that with modern hardware much code that was

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-19 Thread pk
to whine about it as well. A hint for the future: Try to get off your high horse! /PK

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-18 Thread pk
On 2013-08-18 11:44, Daniel Campbell wrote: Systemd has a monolithic design, is headed by an egotist with no respect for other developers, and cannibalizes other projects. The projects it can't cannibalize will be strongarmed into irrelevance. Couple this with Red Hat employees working on

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-18 Thread pk
On 2013-08-18 23:08, Mick wrote: I honestly cannot understand why we/Gentoo are allowing the RHL monolithic development philosophy to break what we have. Is Poettering the only developer available to the Linux world? Are RHL dictating what path Debian and its cousin distros should follow?

Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-13 Thread pk
On 2013-08-13 16:05, Alessio Ababilov wrote: /usr merge is the process of making /bin, /sbin, and /lib to be symlinks to corresponding directories in /usr. It is done in Fedora and several other distros now, and also in Solaris 15 years ago. Benefits from /usr merge are described here:

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo is so AWESOME

2013-08-03 Thread pk
On 2013-08-03 14:28, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: On Fri, Aug 02, 2013 at 08:34:11PM +0100, Steven J. Long wrote: While I (and others BTW) was trying to provide an external POV with points to make outside contributions and rectruitement more efficient, you guys @gentoo.org turned this thread into

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-20 Thread pk
On 2013-07-20 01:23, luis jure wrote: hehe... i guess neil meant that in average for each Tb you have in your disk, only 125Mb is really important or useful. the rest is crap that just piles up... No, 1Tb = 125GB (note the difference between Tb = Tbit and TB=TByte)... Best regards Peter K

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-20 Thread pk
On 2013-07-20 13:59, luis jure wrote: the average home user has lots of useless crap. i know *i* do... Yes, I do too... So the answer is smaller disks in order not to accumulate so much crap! ;-) Best regards Peter K

Re: [gentoo-user] Intel SRT + SSD + SATA

2013-06-26 Thread pk
On 2013-06-26 10:17, Alan McKinnon wrote: ATI display to get away from nVidia, I think that was a mistake and next time will be going back to nVidia whose power management actually works. Just a small note: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_itempx=MTM5NjE Best regards Peter K

Re: [gentoo-user] jabref

2013-06-14 Thread pk
On 2013-06-15 00:23, luis jure wrote: hello list. any ideas how to install a recent version of jabref? the latest ebuild is for 2.6 (current stable is 2.9, even ubuntu has a newer version...), and that doesn't even compile because it needs a recent version of pdfbox (the one in portage

Re: [gentoo-user] fdisk warnings during install; questions

2013-05-10 Thread pk
On 2013-05-10 03:11, Walter Dnes wrote: WARNING: GPT (GUID Partition Table) detected on '/dev/sda'! The util fdisk doesn't support GPT. Use GNU Parted. I've repartitioned it 3 or 4 times, but it still comes up with that error when I fire up fdisk. Is it a problem, and if so, can I dd a

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gigabyte wont boot

2013-01-12 Thread pk
On 2013-01-11 22:28, James wrote: Newegg said it was new Ok. What I was trying to say was that I've had a motherboard shipped as new to me but when it arrived I noticed it was used. Ram is as spec'd: G.skill Ares F-1866C10D-16BAB. 4 modules all slots full summing to 32G. Try one

Re: [gentoo-user] Gigabyte wont boot

2013-01-11 Thread pk
On 2013-01-11 19:48, James wrote: Is there a listing of jumpers or other install tips that I can find somewhere for this mobo? I meticulously connected everything, as this is not my first RODEO. I've never had a new mobo in the box without the little install guide book.bummer . Are

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet? - what was wron with SysVInit?

2012-12-28 Thread pk
On 2012-12-28 00:24, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: Well, yeah, that's the point. I want to install Gentoo in my mother's PC, and never have to go to her house because someting broke. I really don't have the time nor the inclination to continue this but... Why would you in that case install Gentoo

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet? - what was wron with SysVInit?

2012-12-28 Thread pk
On 2012-12-28 20:01, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: Because I prefer Gentoo? That's what I really don't understand! You say you don't want to care about the system which implies Fedora or any other install-and-forget distro. I care about the system which is why I run Gentoo. Do you have USE=* in

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet? - what was wron with SysVInit?

2012-12-27 Thread pk
On 2012-12-27 02:14, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: I really think that's the crux of the matter Pandou: udev/systemd serves to the wants of the many. The eudev fork serves to the wants of systemd+udev serves the large mass (users of mainly Fedora and other distros using systemd) that doesn't

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-26 Thread pk
On 2012-12-26 12:55, Neil Bothwick wrote: That all makes sense, although it may well be harder to implement than to suggest. To be fair to the udev developers, we owe them nothing and they are free to take their project in whichever direction they like and spend their time on whatever

Re: [gentoo-user] xorg.conf tweaks for HTPC machine?

2012-12-17 Thread pk
On 2012-12-17 17:23, Walter Dnes wrote: snipped a whole lot... 1) Despite the TV being native 1366x768, it defaults to 1280x720, which is the first mode listed in the EDID. Fixed-pixel displays show best at their native resolution So I ran Xorg -configure and created an xorg.conf file, and

Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-15 Thread pk
On 2012-12-14 17:53, Mark Knecht wrote: I guess the other question that's lurking here for me is why do you have /usr on a separate partition? What's the usage model that drives a person to do that? The most I've ever done is move /usr/portage and /usr/src to other places. My /usr never has

Re: [gentoo-user] Fwd: [gentoo-project] With regard to udev stabilization

2012-11-13 Thread pk
On 2012-11-13 04:20, Dale wrote: Well, it appears we have someone willing to fork udev. Yeppie !! Me, I'm looking forward to seeing how this works and giving it a test run when it gets ready. Since it is a fork, shouldn't be to long, I hope. Beautiful news indeed! Thanks for the heads up

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)

2012-11-11 Thread pk
On 2012-11-11 08:33, 微蔡 wrote: byebye haters . Comunitiy doesn't need people like you. Ah, instead of a rational explanation of what kind of problem systemd solves for me you conclude: I'm a hater?... Well, I do hate solutions looking for problems to solve, especially where there are none to

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)

2012-11-11 Thread pk
On 2012-11-11 13:24, Jorge Almeida wrote: or later, but isn't it a nice coincidence that this perl is a product of the same totalitarian mindset that is determined to poison Linux? Can't we just calm down and try to be reasonably nice? I really didn't intend to start a flame war here... I just

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)

2012-11-11 Thread pk
On 2012-11-11 13:52, 微蔡 wrote: ok , then why hate systemd ? you seems to hate systemd with no reason. This is my last reply to this thread. I dislike systemd, for the reasons I've already stated. Please re-read my responses if you want to know why I dislike systemd. What I do _hate_ is being

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)

2012-11-10 Thread pk
On 2012-11-10 03:03, walt wrote: :) systemd is coming whether you or I like it or not so I'm trying to stay a bit ahead of the tsunami, that's all. Yes, systemd may be coming and may even become mandatory for the Linux kernel (given it's marriage with udev). when that comes, I'd rather go

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: new system hardware

2012-11-09 Thread pk
On 2012-11-09 20:00, James wrote: passively cooled AMD/ATI video card (vendor-model?) If you wish to use kms and mesa drivers, you can compare the current status of various AMD chips here: http://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature#Feature_Matrix_for_Free_Radeon_Drivers I got a Sapphire HD6670

Re: [gentoo-user] [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)

2012-11-09 Thread pk
On 2012-11-09 23:53, walt wrote: You Lennart haters out there (and I was one of you not so long ago ;) now I think he's not so bad after all. He just doesn't know yet how to explain things properly to old farts. Good for you. I really don't see the point in preaching systemd's greatness (or

Re: [gentoo-user] Spacenav use test

2012-11-05 Thread pk
On 2012-01-05 21:44, Anthoine Bourgeois wrote: Hello Peter, 2012/1/5 pk pete...@coolmail.se: On 2012-01-04 22:28, Anthoine Bourgeois wrote: I write on this list and hope someone can test these devices on Gentoo. My overlay : http://git.overlays.gentoo.org/gitweb/?p=user/aluco.git

Re: [gentoo-user] OT triple display

2012-11-02 Thread pk
On 2012-11-02 19:42, James wrote: snip all over... I want it to be AMD-Gigabyte system. I've settled on the new FX8350 processor. I ran across this mobo: Triple Display Support – AMD Eyefinity GIGABYTE FM2 series motherboards are the first to take advantage

Re: [gentoo-user] [PATCH] Linus breaks nvidia-drivers again

2012-10-15 Thread pk
On 2012-10-15 20:10, Walter Dnes wrote: Which kernel version does the breakage start at, so I know not to rush into it when it goes mainstream? Also, is there a walkthrough for switching from Nvidia to Nouveau drivers? I couldn't get Nouveau working when I first tried, which is why I'm

Re: [gentoo-user] new machine : proposed design

2012-08-02 Thread pk
On 2012-08-02 18:25, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: If you want quality: buy something else. If you are concerned about the prize: seriously, buy something else. Hm, your experience with Kingston seems different than mine; I've had nothing but problems with other brands _but_ Kingston and I've

Re: [gentoo-user] Getting around ancient SATA disk size limitations

2012-06-18 Thread pk
On 2012-06-18 08:16, fe...@crowfix.com wrote: I plugged two 4TB SATA drives in and the BIOS hangs trying to display the disk size. Whether it is the size itself, or from using 4K blocks, I do not know. This is a bit confusing. Do you mean to say that these are 4TB internal drives (3.5)? I

Re: [gentoo-user] Getting around ancient SATA disk size limitations

2012-06-18 Thread pk
On 2012-06-18 16:24, Michael Mol wrote: http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Barracuda-3-5-Inch-Internal-ST4000DX000/dp/B005WX3NEU/ Seagate Barracuda 7200 4 TB 7200RPM SATA 6 Gb/s NCQ 128MB Cache 3.5-Inch Internal Bare Drive Hm... then Seagate needs to update their product page:

Re: [gentoo-user] Getting around ancient SATA disk size limitations

2012-06-18 Thread pk
On 2012-06-18 16:57, Michael Mol wrote: I only posted the link to the Seagate drive, since that was the first one that popped up in my search. Point is, the 4TB drives do exist. Hm, now that you mentioned it I think I've read something about this a while ago (long enough time has gone for me

Re: [gentoo-user] Getting around ancient SATA disk size limitations

2012-06-18 Thread pk
On 2012-06-18 16:34, fe...@crowfix.com wrote: Hitachi, I think. Fry's had two choies differing in size of cache (64M vs 32M) and some 3TB drives too. I could get the model numbers when I get back to that system (not near it for a few days). Ah, the deskstar 7K4000 is readily available on

Re: [gentoo-user] Lockdown: free/open OS maker pays Microsoft ransom for the right to boot on users' computers

2012-06-04 Thread pk
On 2012-06-04 14:48, Mick wrote: Can I please join you if you have a spare hat? Sure, got lots of (virtual) hats... here's one: ^ (may be a bit small) ;-) On a 3 year old Dell laptop manufactured by the famous and well known Winbond Electronics /sarcasm I see this under lshw:

Re: [gentoo-user] Lockdown: free/open OS maker pays Microsoft ransom for the right to boot on users' computers

2012-06-02 Thread pk
On 2012-06-02 09:43, Florian Philipp wrote: You don't have to be blessed. You could call your distribution BallmerSucks and still get a certificate. You just have to register, authenticate and pay the fee. Anything else would earn them an antitrust law suite they wouldn't forget. ... or

Re: [gentoo-user] Lockdown: free/open OS maker pays Microsoft ransom for the right to boot on users' computers

2012-06-02 Thread pk
On 2012-06-02 15:12, Florian Philipp wrote: According to [1] it is SHA-256 and RSA-2048. If I understand it correctly, there are means to blacklist compromised keys. That's why Just curious, how is a compromised key supposed to be blacklisted? Does the bios contact Microsoft, or is it

Re: [gentoo-user] Lockdown: free/open OS maker pays Microsoft ransom for the right to boot on users' computers

2012-06-02 Thread pk
On 2012-06-02 22:10, Michael Mol wrote: I expect the chief mechanism is at the manufacturer's end; blacklisted keys get included on shipment. Makes sense. It's also probable that the OS kernel can tell the UEFI BIOS about new keys to blacklist. I expect that'll be a recurring thing in the

Re: [gentoo-user] How can I control size of /run (tmpfs)?

2012-05-28 Thread pk
On 2012-05-28 05:44, Pandu Poluan wrote: But my newer servers has /run (and its children) from the get go, because I think it kind of makes sense. Even though they're udev-free. Hm... what is using /run instead of /var/run? I thought it was (newish) udev itself and things like systemd that

Re: [gentoo-user] udevd boot messages

2012-05-26 Thread pk
On 2012-05-26 01:52, Peter Humphrey wrote: $ elogviewer --help File /usr/local/bin/elogviewer, line 11 ^ SyntaxError: invalid syntax Huh? Mine (latest stable 0.5.2-r2, official Gentoo portage - not some overlay) is installed in /usr/bin/... Have you changed the install path or

Re: [gentoo-user] udevd boot messages

2012-05-25 Thread pk
On 2012-05-25 13:17, Tanstaafl wrote: On 2012-05-24 7:24 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: I just now started going through /var/log/portage/messages, and was reminded of this thread. It is much easier if you set up portage to email you these individually... app-portage/elogviewer

Re: [gentoo-user] [a bit OT] Re: USB sticks now mounting on /run/media instead of /media ?

2012-05-03 Thread pk
On 2012-05-03 23:48, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: And anyway, if you are using a desktop system you don't care where the drive mounts, it just appears in your filemanager. I have a desktop system but I don't have a filemanager installed and I don't run an automounter. You assume everyone uses

Re: [gentoo-user] Using a USB printer in an mdev system.

2012-05-01 Thread pk
On 2012-05-01 13:48, Alan Mackenzie wrote: In an mdev system, getting USB device nodes working well enough to support USB printers is tricky. I have just added a section to the mdev wiki page (http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Mdev) explaining how to do this. Apologies for any misuse of wiki

Re: [gentoo-user] changed motherboard, no AHCI

2012-04-20 Thread pk
On 2012-04-21 04:12, Philip Webb wrote: It's an Asus P5G41T-M LX the manual says : Hm... the chipset on that mobo is G41 (released in 2008) and it combines with ICH7 which unfortunately doesn't seem to support AHCI. Sorry... Best regards Peter K

Re: [gentoo-user] About ready to move /usr, /var and /home to LVM.

2012-04-15 Thread pk
On 2012-04-15 07:16, Dale wrote: I have changed the root line to hd1,0 and it still boots sda. Other settings result in a failure. It doesn't even try to boot. What does your 'device.map' file say the sdb drive is mapped to? You usually find the 'device.map' file in /boot/grub for both grub1

Re: [gentoo-user] About ready to move /usr, /var and /home to LVM.

2012-04-15 Thread pk
On 2012-04-15 07:16, Dale wrote: Here's some linkies for you: Grub2: https://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Device-map.html Grub1: https://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/legacy/Device-map.html Best regards Peter K

Re: [gentoo-user] About ready to move /usr, /var and /home to LVM.

2012-04-15 Thread pk
On 2012-04-15 12:42, Dale wrote: Uh oh Crap hits the fan, BIG TIME. That thing is still looking So the computer blew up? ;-) How's that for a head slapper? A good one I'd say? ;-) Glad you got it sorted. Best regards Peter K

Re: [gentoo-user] seamonkey bookmarks file location

2012-04-13 Thread pk
On 2012-04-13 22:06, James wrote: The seamonkey bookmarks.html (the current bookmark listing) use to kept in ~/.mozilla/seamonkey/###.default I cannot find a newer listing than 2011 in that location. Did it get moved to another location? Remaned yet again? What I'm after is

Re: [gentoo-user] Netbeans, java programming, swing gui-builder?

2012-04-01 Thread pk
On 2012-04-01 13:19, pat wrote: I have experiences with Swing UI and I'll suggest NetBeans. I guess I'll go with that. It's just that it wants to pull in around 100 packages (with only apisupport, ide, java and nb modules)... :-/ Oh, well. Thanks! Best regards Peter K

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Netbeans, java programming, swing gui-builder?

2012-04-01 Thread pk
On 2012-04-01 19:26, walt wrote: Yes, that's a bit of a pain. I install the binary package from here: http://netbeans.org/downloads/index.html Running the installer as an ordinary user installs the whole thing in ~/NetBeans and it even updates itself if you want it to. Ah, cool! Thanks!

[gentoo-user] Netbeans, java programming, swing gui-builder?

2012-03-31 Thread pk
Hi, Does anyone on this list have experience with java (swing) gui-builders and what would you recommend, if so? It seems Netbeans is the only option in Portage that I can find, are there other options? I'm looking for an easy way to build a reasonably advanced gui. Best regards Peter K

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-29 Thread pk
On 2012-03-29 01:20, Neil Bothwick wrote: I'm in favour of /bin and /lib, and I see the pros and cons of /sbin and am not too bothered about how that is done. But having two (or more) of each of these is an artificial mess that is a solution to a problem that As I said, it's a matter of

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-29 Thread pk
On 2012-03-29 20:06, Neil Bothwick wrote: I wait with bated breath. Even if less than perfect, it will be better than mine :) I'll be sure to let you know if I find perfection... Perhaps an AI system that takes care of it self and serves me drinks (with or without an umbrella) while I lay on

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-29 Thread pk
On 2012-03-29 22:58, Alan McKinnon wrote: Reminds me of Sigourney Weaver's character in Galaxy Quest - she was the bimbo who announced to the room whenever the computer went bing :-D An underrated movie which contains a lot of geek and Star Trek/SciFi in general parody... Thumbs up! :-D Best

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-28 Thread pk
On 2012-03-28 20:29, Mike Edenfield wrote: I was particularly interested to find out that Solaris started merging / and /usr 15 years ago, so in reality, the true UNIX way that Linux is following has long since been abandoned by UNIX :) Yep, next up is transitioning to a more modern handling

Re: [gentoo-user] Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 5

2012-03-20 Thread pk
On 2012-03-20 20:49, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: OK, I am not seeing mdev in the portage tree -- I would like to learn more about this before I take the plunge. So where do I get it and does it create the appropriate device nodes, etc? mdev is part of sys-apps/busybox. See:

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and permissions problems

2012-03-18 Thread pk
On 2012-03-18 04:11, Bruce Hill, Jr. wrote: Am I eternally confused? I have no idea... besides, eternity is a long time... ;-) su - change user ID or become superuser It's not _only_ to become root (maybe theoretically if you only have one normal user). On a true multiuser system you can

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and permissions problems

2012-03-17 Thread pk
On 2012-03-17 11:19, Dale wrote: The program 'su' could not be found. Ensure your PATH is set correctly. What does 'echo $PATH' give you? /bin should be in your path (that's where 'su' is located, or should be)... My $PATH looks like this:

Re: [gentoo-user] The End Is Near ... or, get the vaseline, they're on the way!

2012-03-17 Thread pk
On 2012-03-17 19:38, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: you know, with that 'put everything into /usr' crap going on, I don't see any reason to have a seperate /usr at all. /root is completely empty. So what? Put everything on one partition and go on. Yes, let's do away with partitions

Re: [gentoo-user] The End Is Near ... or, get the vaseline, they're on the way!

2012-03-17 Thread pk
On 2012-03-17 21:09, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: seriously, you have seemed to miss some news. There is a move by redhatco to move almost everything from / to /usr. With nothing left than some mountpoints - why put / on its own partition? There is nothing to contain apart from /etc.

Re: [gentoo-user] Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 5 - failure :-(

2012-03-14 Thread pk
On 2012-03-14 19:45, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: BIOS is going the way of the dodo too, but that's besides the point. I'm actually quite happy with the Linux bluetooth stack (which, if I'm not mistaken, is used by Android). I have several bluetooth thingies, they all work great. Sorry, but

Re: [gentoo-user] Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 5 - failure :-(

2012-03-14 Thread pk
On 2012-03-14 20:45, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: Actually, a Lego brick is a good analogy for mdev (in its current state). It's a beautiful toy; but again, nobody has pointed out how to make it work with bluetooth devices, for example. From Walt's mail (his words, not mine): You're completely

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: LVM, /usr and really really bad thoughts.

2012-03-13 Thread pk
On 2012-03-13 08:13, Alan McKinnon wrote: I've also thought about this and I also want to ask why? Hm... me too? :-) I stopped using a separate /usr on my workstations a long time ago when I realized it was pointless. The days of 5M hard disks when the entire Ok, you realized it was

Re: [gentoo-user] Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 5

2012-03-12 Thread pk
On 2012-03-11 20:28, Walter Dnes wrote: which blob to load. But, if I leave only the correct blob for my GPU in the library folder (move/delete all the others), it loads properly without any help from udev. Why not compile the firmware into the kernel?

Re: [gentoo-user] Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 5

2012-03-12 Thread pk
On 2012-03-11 15:17, Alan McKinnon wrote: As such, mdev is a good fit and we can add Walter to the long list of people before him who selflessly worked to make our software work better. Very well put, Alan! +1 Thanks Walter! Best regards Peter K

Re: [gentoo-user] Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 5 - failure :-(

2012-03-12 Thread pk
On 2012-03-12 10:24, Alan Mackenzie wrote: #!/bin/busybox ash mount -t proc proc /proc mount -t sysfs sysfs /sys exec /sbin/init How do I know whether my /sbin/linuxrc actually ran? Maybe, I mean how can I be sure my append = init=/sbin/linuxrc actually worked? Well, you can always put

Re: [gentoo-user] LVM, /usr and really really bad thoughts.

2012-03-11 Thread pk
On 2012-03-11 03:36, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: This news item is to inform you that once you upgrade to a version of udev =181, if you have /usr on a separate partition, you must boot your system with an initramfs which pre-mounts /usr. Ok, I thank both you and Neil for this info. In

Re: [gentoo-user] LVM, /usr and really really bad thoughts.

2012-03-10 Thread pk
On 2012-03-10 03:48, Dale wrote: Howdy, Howdy! this? I'm thinking about redoing my partition layout. I'm wanting to keep / (root) on a normal ext4 file system. I want to put /usr, /var, As long as you don't use the udev version that requires access to /usr at boot time (or mdev) then you

Re: [gentoo-user] LVM, /usr and really really bad thoughts.

2012-03-10 Thread pk
On 2012-03-10 16:35, Neil Bothwick wrote: I'm using the latest testing with a separate /usr and no problems. So udev-181 (masked) is ok to use without initrd and separate /usr then? Thanks for the info! Best regards Peter K

Re: [gentoo-user] Is my mobo incompatible with Linux?

2012-02-24 Thread pk
On 2012-02-24 17:34, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: Hi. I have a Supermicro c7P67-o motherboard and I have another system using windows with no problems. However, when I am trying to use the board with gentoo -- various kernels -- including 3.2.6-gentoo -- I am having lots of problems with

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: No more FLASH on Linux ?

2012-02-23 Thread pk
On 2012-02-24 05:15, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: user can watch. Flash on the other hand guarantees web designers that a PC user can watch their videos. Having a guarantee that something works is a very powerful incentive; you do not abandon something that works. It's only guaranteed if flash is

Re: [gentoo-user] Somewhat OT: Any truth to this mess?

2012-02-18 Thread pk
On 2012-02-18 13:24, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: basically, yes. Take down the core routers and backbones and everything falls apart. Which is easier said than done, IMO... but on the other hand, five of the major tier 1's is in the good old USA so if you take those down you still have five

Re: [gentoo-user] Slow not in sync movie playing with mplayer2, ffmpeg, x264 with intel core i5

2012-02-12 Thread pk
On 2012-02-12 09:51, Kfir Lavi wrote: I'm trying to play a mkv movie that is encoded with x264 720p. The movie get out of sync very quickly. Is it just this particular video that gets out of sync or does other videos have the same symptoms? If it's only this video, then I would say it's the

[gentoo-user] Question regarding recent poppler down-/upgrade...

2012-01-29 Thread pk
Currently poppler-0.18.1 (keyworded since it was required by libreoffice) is installed on my system and when I sync'ed yesterday Portage wants to downgrade poppler to latest stable -0.16.7 which is not a problem per se (I run a mostly stable system). However looking at the version bump bug

Re: [gentoo-user] Question regarding recent poppler down-/upgrade...

2012-01-29 Thread pk
On 2012-01-29 15:23, Alan McKinnon wrote: Yes indeed, someone screwed up. Either: The submitter pasted the wrong list of bugs into the report or Forgot to mention that the bug number are not from b.g.o, but from some other bugzilla The first one for example - 288045 - comes from

Re: [gentoo-user] Question regarding recent poppler down-/upgrade...

2012-01-29 Thread pk
On 2012-01-29 17:12, Philip Webb wrote: 0.18.1 has been removed from the tree 0.18.3 is the latest Testing. I'm conservative re system + similar pkgs, so still use 0.16.7 . Yes, that's clear. It was the links in the bug report that made me wonder... Best regards Peter K

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gnome-control-center any way to configure without pulseaudio?

2012-01-26 Thread pk
On 2012-01-26 12:22, Alan McKinnon wrote: I'm not opening up a debate and preparing an argument, I really want to know what you think about this matter. I apologize for butting in... Here's what *I* think about it (well, this is not about Pulseaudio specifically but I'm sure you'll get the

Re: [gentoo-user] Filesize error downloading eigen-3.0.3

2012-01-25 Thread pk
On 2012-01-25 10:38, denis cohen wrote: I am trying to install freecad which pulls in dev-cpp/eigen-3.0.3. I get a filesize error which prevents installation of eigen. Any clues on how to solve this problem? ebuild manifest path-to-eigen.ebuild IIRC... try man ebuild. Best regards Peter K

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 3

2012-01-09 Thread pk
On 2012-01-09 00:48, Walter Dnes wrote: Hm... if you didn't compile it in you would have needed an initrd; didn't think of that... :-( * with only one binary blob. it just works * multiple blobs should not be included in the kernel, otherwise it gets confused. If multiple blobs are

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 3

2012-01-09 Thread pk
On 2012-01-09 10:47, Pandu Poluan wrote: Is it possible to load the firmware blob after booting, from the shell? I don't think so; KMS needs it to talk to the gpu so either it needs to be in an initrd (loaded with the KMS/framebuffer module) or compiled in. That's how I understand it anyway...

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 3

2012-01-07 Thread pk
On 2012-01-07 02:17, Walter Dnes wrote: I think I've found one item so far that requires udev. My laptop's graphics chip needs a binary blob from radeon-ucode. That binary blob, in turn, requires the presence of /usr/lib/libudev.so.0 which is a symlink to /usr/lib/libudev.so.0.9.3 (which

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 3

2012-01-05 Thread pk
On 2012-01-05 08:43, Alan McKinnon wrote: I fiddle around a lot with the hardware on those and udev deals with that nicely considering udev is designed to deal with that nicely. I confess to being quite ignorant when it comes to what magic udev does behind the scenes but what makes it

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 3

2012-01-05 Thread pk
On 2012-01-05 12:46, Alan McKinnon wrote: I switch on a modern computer and it: - loads a feature rich OS (UEFI) from a fixed point in firmware which then - loads a feature rich OS (grub2) from a fixed point on a storage device which then This is a precise argument why coreboot (and

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 3

2012-01-05 Thread pk
On 2012-01-05 13:08, Alan McKinnon wrote: I don't claim any special deep knowledge of these things, but a superficial glance over the packages tells you a lot. udev is designed to deal with any realistic device needs on modern systems - it's the kitchen sink. Fully agree... :-/

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 3

2012-01-05 Thread pk
On 2012-01-05 15:03, Dale wrote: I'll take the plain old fart title. lol Drs think my body is at least 70 anyway. I think my brain is old to but that's not what they test, YET. o_O Here's the condensed version of what's happening (laughing is good for you or so I hear):

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 3

2012-01-05 Thread pk
On 2012-01-05 17:20, Dale wrote: rm -rf /usr /lib/nvidia-current/xorg/xorg ROFLMAO. That one space bar hit caused a bit of trouble. WOW. I would have been pretty pissed. lol Yes, buy it's the comments (and pictures) below that made me laugh... the link is a definite keeper... :-D Best

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