Re: [gentoo-user] OT: which FS (ext3,reiserfs,xfs,jfs)?

2005-04-21 Thread Peter Gordon
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 18:17:33 +0200 Jarry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Up to now I always used ext2, but now I want to try some | journaling fs for my 2x160GB ata-disks, fully in raid1 | (partitions: / /boot /var /tmp /usr /opt /home and swap). If you care about your data, use

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: which FS (ext3,reiserfs,xfs,jfs)?

2005-04-20 Thread Richard Fish
Mark Knecht wrote: On my 3 1394 drives I get about 18MB/S, 24MB/S and 24MB/S. The 18MB/S drive is the oldest (and smallest at 40GB) of the three. Cool, thanks for the info. I just realized that the only sensible configuration is to move my 3.5 backup drives to the 1394, because my laptop

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: which FS (ext3,reiserfs,xfs,jfs)?

2005-04-19 Thread Richard Fish
Jarry wrote: I'm counting votes, and waiting for some final decision to come. I can not contribute to this discussion, because I have absolutely no experience with journaling filesystems at all. That's why I asked... Up to now I'm more confused than before posting my question. Anyway

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: which FS (ext3,reiserfs,xfs,jfs)?

2005-04-19 Thread Heinz Sporn
Hi! I beg to differ. If high performance appeals to you, give ReiserFS OR XFS a try - since all benchmarks on this subjects show a more or less significant difference dealing with a large number of big vs. small files. I also don't quite understand the suggestion to ignore arguments about data

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: which FS (ext3,reiserfs,xfs,jfs)?

2005-04-19 Thread Richard Fish
Heinz Sporn wrote: I also don't quite understand the suggestion to ignore arguments about data corruption. These weren't arguments but simple facts. A lot of posters here experienced various troubles with almost every FS there is. That doesn't proof that any of the discussed filesystems is BAD -

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: which FS (ext3,reiserfs,xfs,jfs)?

2005-04-19 Thread Richard Fish
Mark Knecht wrote: Hi, Is there anything that can be said about which FS might be more reliable if using some form of RAID? I don't know much about RAID yet but I'm starting to consider it for some of my setup here. Disks are getting very cheap. 1394/USB2.0 hot plugable devices sound good to

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: which FS (ext3,reiserfs,xfs,jfs)?

2005-04-19 Thread Richard Fish
A. Khattri wrote: On Tue, 19 Apr 2005, Richard Fish wrote: power failure better than XFS from this test, but a complete power failure on a laptop is trivially easy to avoid...just don't remove the battery! Heck, one of the rubber feet on the bottom of my laptop is I suppose batteries

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: which FS (ext3,reiserfs,xfs,jfs)?

2005-04-19 Thread A. R.
That was exactly my reasoning behind selecting XFS as the main filesystem for my Laptop (IBM ThinkPad T41p), which I use as my everyday desktop/workstation. Previously, in an IBM ThinkPad A31p I used Reiserfs, and I never had any problems, the thing ran really well, I just wanted to try XFS

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: which FS (ext3,reiserfs,xfs,jfs)?

2005-04-19 Thread Richard Fish
Mark Knecht wrote: I need to learn the RAID levels, but what I mean is I think what's called mirroring. Yep, thats RAID1. Forgive me, I've been married to my laptop for too long, and I forget that 'normal' computers can have multiple 1394/USB controllers! In that configuration, yes, you

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: which FS (ext3,reiserfs,xfs,jfs)?

2005-04-19 Thread Mark Knecht
On 4/19/05, Richard Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark Knecht wrote: I need to learn the RAID levels, but what I mean is I think what's called mirroring. Yep, thats RAID1. Forgive me, I've been married to my laptop for too long, and I forget that 'normal' computers can have multiple

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: which FS (ext3,reiserfs,xfs,jfs)?

2005-04-18 Thread Harald Arnesen
Ciaran McCreesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 18:17:33 +0200 Jarry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Up to now I always used ext2, but now I want to try some | journaling fs for my 2x160GB ata-disks, fully in raid1 | (partitions: / /boot /var /tmp /usr /opt /home and swap). If you

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: which FS (ext3,reiserfs,xfs,jfs)?

2005-04-18 Thread Sascha Lucas
Hi, I also couldn't resist to answer :-) the choice of the right FS tends to be some kind of religion... ??? But we use gentoo and we decide on facts. Didn't we? :-) The gentoo-father Daniel Robbins gives us a brief introduction to the differnt FSs. See

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: which FS (ext3,reiserfs,xfs,jfs)?

2005-04-18 Thread A. R.
Hello, I have had experience with reiserfs in the past (When I used to use Slackware) And I never had any problems with it. Currently I am using XFS on a laptop and so far so good (I has only been 4 months). XFS seems to be very, very fast. IMHO you cannot go wrong with either reiserfs or XFS.

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: which FS (ext3,reiserfs,xfs,jfs)?

2005-04-18 Thread Bastian Balthazar Bux
Pavel wrote: Since I put Gentoo on my workstation (2 years ago ) , never had segfaults with reiser3fs ;) I prefer ***CENSURED*** for my /usr/portage , reiserfs for my /usr,/var,/boot,/home and XFS for my isos and music ssshhh don't ever mind at that file system if ciaranm is around ;) --

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: which FS (ext3,reiserfs,xfs,jfs)?

2005-04-18 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 09:52:55 -0400, A. R. wrote: Currently I am using XFS on a laptop and so far so good (I has only been 4 months). XFS seems to be very, very fast. XFS is probably a poor choice for a laptop, as it is the most likely to suffer data loss in the event of a power failure. I

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: which FS (ext3,reiserfs,xfs,jfs)?

2005-04-18 Thread Heinz Sporn
Hi! If it's anything worth let me share my FS experiences. As a home user I tried EXT2/3, XFS and Reiser. Switched completly from EXT3 to XFS a couple of months ago for better performance. Survived a power fail without a single problem. In the contrary I failed two times running Reiser 3.6. In

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: which FS (ext3,reiserfs,xfs,jfs)?

2005-04-18 Thread A. Khattri
On Mon, 18 Apr 2005, Raphael Melo de Oliveira Bastos Sales wrote: I kinda avoid ext(2|3) for pure prejudice. Don't have anything to complain about them, but when I migrated from Mandrake, I left behind everything that had anything to do with RPM distros*. Since they use ext3 as default FS, I

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: which FS (ext3,reiserfs,xfs,jfs)?

2005-04-18 Thread A. R.
Huh? I have never ever had any power failures with my laptops, if the thing is connected to the power outlet and this one fails, well, the battery at least gives me a chance to gracefully shut down the computer. Maybe I made a newbie choice, but so far, no problems yet. Regards, -AR On

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: which FS (ext3,reiserfs,xfs,jfs)?

2005-04-18 Thread Raphael Melo de Oliveira Bastos Sales
I think you didn't got my point. I'm not saying that other distros can't use ext3. I just got mad with having to chase RPM dependencies and started hating RPM distros. The fact that they (Mandrake, RedHat, Fedora, Conectiva, etc) use ext3 as default made me hate ext3 too. I know now that it was

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: which FS (ext3,reiserfs,xfs,jfs)?

2005-04-18 Thread Jarry
Raphael Melo de Oliveira Bastos Sales wrote: Strange how Jarry is quiet about all this... I'm counting votes, and waiting for some final decision to come. I can not contribute to this discussion, because I have absolutely no experience with journaling filesystems at all. That's why I asked... Up

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: which FS (ext3,reiserfs,xfs,jfs)?

2005-04-18 Thread Raphael Melo de Oliveira Bastos Sales
Sometimes that happens, too much information. If I had to make a decision, in your case, I'd use ext3. Everyone said it was stable, reliable. All the others show some cases of failure. Maybe you can put two test volume with reiserfs and xfs with data that is not really significant and benchmark,

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: which FS (ext3,reiserfs,xfs,jfs)?

2005-04-18 Thread Gregory P. Smith
On Mon, Apr 18, 2005 at 08:00:00PM +0200, Jarry wrote: Raphael Melo de Oliveira Bastos Sales wrote: Strange how Jarry is quiet about all this... I'm counting votes, and waiting for some final decision to come. I can not contribute to this discussion, because I have absolutely no experience

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: which FS (ext3,reiserfs,xfs,jfs)?

2005-04-18 Thread W.Kenworthy
I beg to differ, as I posted previously I gave up on ext2/3 because of lost data - not everyone agrees that ext2/3 is the best fallback! Better performance with reiserfs3 as well as peace of mind goes against ext2/3 for me. As I said - YMMV - I have looked at my usage, number and type of

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: which FS (ext3,reiserfs,xfs,jfs)?

2005-04-18 Thread Jerry McBride
On Monday 18 April 2005 01:34 pm, A. R. wrote: Huh? I have never ever had any power failures with my laptops, if the thing is connected to the power outlet and this one fails, well, the battery at least gives me a chance to gracefully shut down the computer. One of the methods I used to

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: which FS (ext3,reiserfs,xfs,jfs)?

2005-04-18 Thread Jerry McBride
The one EXTREME test that I witnessed was during a Panasonic ToughBook demo. The presenter gave a 15 minute speech, pool side at a hotel, about how good and tough the new Panasonic ToughBook really was. All during the speech, he would slide a ToughBook off a desk onto the concrete apron at the

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: which FS (ext3,reiserfs,xfs,jfs)?

2005-04-18 Thread Pavel
heh ! So far I remember his April joke ;) Anyway I`ll stay with reiserfs till first data loss .. Real men make backups On 4/18/05, Bastian Balthazar Bux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pavel wrote: Since I put Gentoo on my workstation (2 years ago ) ,never had segfaults with reiser3fs ;) I prefer

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: which FS (ext3,reiserfs,xfs,jfs)?

2005-04-18 Thread Richard Fish
Jerry McBride wrote: One of the methods I used to test ext3 was just that... I removed the battery, plugged the laptop into a local outlet... booted it and started a number of various processes... when things looked real good and busy, I pulled the plug... BAM! Dead Plug it back into the

[gentoo-user] OT: which FS (ext3,reiserfs,xfs,jfs)?

2005-04-17 Thread Jarry
Hi, I'm installing Gentoo 2005.0 using universal installation CD on a small, general purpose server (apache+mysql+php, mail, some net-games, teamspeak, ftp, shells, 20-30 users, etc.). Up to now I always used ext2, but now I want to try some journaling fs for my 2x160GB ata-disks, fully in raid1

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: which FS (ext3,reiserfs,xfs,jfs)?

2005-04-17 Thread fire-eyes
On Sun, 2005-04-17 at 18:17 +0200, Jarry wrote: Hi, I'm installing Gentoo 2005.0 using universal installation CD on a small, general purpose server (apache+mysql+php, mail, some net-games, teamspeak, ftp, shells, 20-30 users, etc.). Up to now I always used ext2, but now I want to try some

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: which FS (ext3,reiserfs,xfs,jfs)?

2005-04-17 Thread Luigi Pinna
Alle 18:17, domenica 17 aprile 2005, Jarry ha scritto: Hi, I'm installing Gentoo 2005.0 using universal installation CD on a small, general purpose server (apache+mysql+php, mail, some net-games, teamspeak, ftp, shells, 20-30 users, etc.). Up to now I always used ext2, but now I want to try

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: which FS (ext3,reiserfs,xfs,jfs)?

2005-04-17 Thread Mrugesh Karnik
Jarry wrote: Hi, I'm installing Gentoo 2005.0 using universal installation CD on a small, general purpose server (apache+mysql+php, mail, some net-games, teamspeak, ftp, shells, 20-30 users, etc.). Up to now I always used ext2, but now I want to try some journaling fs for my 2x160GB ata-disks,

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: which FS (ext3,reiserfs,xfs,jfs)?

2005-04-17 Thread A. Khattri
On Sun, 17 Apr 2005, Richard Fish wrote: I also recommend reiserfs. I'm a laptop user, and just converted my filesystems from xfs to reiserfs for performance reasons. With xfs, backing up my root filesystem (325000-35 files) would take a bit over 10 minutes usually. With reiserfs,

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: which FS (ext3,reiserfs,xfs,jfs)?

2005-04-17 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, April 17, 2005 6:21 pm, Ciaran McCreesh said: If you care about your data, use ext3. If you care about your data, use tar. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: which FS (ext3,reiserfs,xfs,jfs)?

2005-04-17 Thread Jerry McBride
On Sunday 17 April 2005 12:21 pm, A. Khattri wrote: On Sun, 17 Apr 2005, Richard Fish wrote: I also recommend reiserfs. I'm a laptop user, and just converted my filesystems from xfs to reiserfs for performance reasons. With xfs, backing up my root filesystem (325000-35 files) would

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: which FS (ext3,reiserfs,xfs,jfs)?

2005-04-17 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Hi, On Sunday 17 April 2005 18:17, Jarry wrote: Up to now I always used ext2, but now I want to try some journaling fs for my 2x160GB ata-disks, fully in raid1 (partitions: / /boot /var /tmp /usr /opt /home and swap). for /boot (shouldn't be too big. 20mb is way enough for /boot) ext2 is

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: which FS (ext3,reiserfs,xfs,jfs)?

2005-04-17 Thread Bastian Balthazar Bux
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Hi, On Sunday 17 April 2005 18:17, Jarry wrote: Up to now I always used ext2, but now I want to try some journaling fs for my 2x160GB ata-disks, fully in raid1 (partitions: / /boot /var /tmp /usr /opt /home and swap). for /boot (shouldn't be too big. 20mb

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: which FS (ext3,reiserfs,xfs,jfs)?

2005-04-17 Thread Comatose Jones
On 4/17/05, Ciaran McCreesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 18:17:33 +0200 Jarry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:| Up to now I always used ext2, but now I want to try some| journaling fs for my 2x160GB ata-disks, fully in raid1 | (partitions: / /boot /var /tmp /usr /opt /home and swap).If you

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: which FS (ext3,reiserfs,xfs,jfs)?

2005-04-17 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 20:21:14 +0200 Bastian Balthazar Bux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | agree, use ext2 but with 20Mb you have space only for three 2.6 | kernels, maybe 50 Mb is better What, are these turn absolutely everything to Y kernels? Three compressed kernels in twenty megs leads to kernels

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: which FS (ext3,reiserfs,xfs,jfs)?

2005-04-17 Thread Bastian Balthazar Bux
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 20:21:14 +0200 Bastian Balthazar Bux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | agree, use ext2 but with 20Mb you have space only for three 2.6 | kernels, maybe 50 Mb is better What, are these turn absolutely everything to Y kernels? Three compressed kernels in

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: which FS (ext3,reiserfs,xfs,jfs)?

2005-04-17 Thread W.Kenworthy
A case of YMMV I'm afraid I will not touch ext2/3 again except for /boot (because its simple and does not seem to have problems - as long as you leave it unmounted that is - live and learn!) as it is the only file system I regularly lost files on (a laptop that would crash every couple of weeks

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: which FS (ext3,reiserfs,xfs,jfs)?

2005-04-17 Thread Peter Gordon
Ext3 has yet to give me a single problem in the 2+ years that I've been using it (since my first GNU/Linux adventures on RH9). ReiserFS, on the other hand, was continually misbehaving (segfaults, floating point exceptions, journal replay errors, etc.) both times I tried to use it for a Stage1