Re: [gentoo-user] grub vs grub 2

2012-02-15 Thread ny6p01
On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 08:29:26PM +0100, Andrea Conti wrote: PS: If you know how to get rid of any background image, could you say how? Remove or comment out any splashimage directives from the config file. *** Re grub2: as long as grub0 works, I really don't care if grub2 is

Re: [gentoo-user] grub vs grub 2

2012-02-15 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2012-02-14 6:19 PM, m...@trausch.us m...@trausch.us wrote: If you're interested, I can detail a history for you, and explain why GRUB 1 was discontinued and why the whole thing was restructured in detail. I can't right now, as I am about to get on a conference call, but I can certainly do so

Re: [gentoo-user] grub vs grub 2

2012-02-15 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 07:19:47 -0500, Tanstaafl wrote: What I would prefer is a detailed yet simple 'How-To' aimed at the average user rather than the hacker (in other words, don't assume I can read code/scripts and understand all or even some of what is happening) or write my own scripts,

Re: [gentoo-user] grub vs grub 2

2012-02-15 Thread Michael Mol
On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 7:19 AM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: On 2012-02-14 6:19 PM, m...@trausch.us m...@trausch.us wrote: If you're interested, I can detail a history for you, and explain why GRUB 1 was discontinued and why the whole thing was restructured in detail.  I can't

Re: [gentoo-user] grub vs grub 2

2012-02-15 Thread m...@trausch.us
On 02/15/2012 07:19 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: What I would prefer is a detailed yet simple 'How-To' aimed at the average user rather than the hacker (in other words, don't assume I can read code/scripts and understand all or even some of what is happening) or write my own scripts, etc... Also,

Re: [gentoo-user] grub vs grub 2

2012-02-15 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2012-02-15 9:37 AM, m...@trausch.us m...@trausch.us wrote: On 02/15/2012 07:19 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: What I would prefer is a detailed yet simple 'How-To' aimed at the average user rather than the hacker (in other words, don't assume I can read code/scripts and understand all or even some of

Re: [gentoo-user] grub vs grub 2

2012-02-15 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 09:47:54 -0500, Tanstaafl wrote: Understood, and thanks Mike, I really look forward to reading whatever you can provide. I realize that I'm gonna have to take this plunge eventually, and would rather not wait until I'm forced to... That was my feeling a year or so ago. I

[gentoo-user] grub vs grub 2

2012-02-14 Thread james
Googling around, I get the impression that 'grub' is now grub 2. Is that correct? In portage I see grub-static (GRUB Legacy boot loader) with version numbers that coincide with grub (grub2 ?). If grub2 has replaced grub-1 what (gentoo) version number did grub2 first take take? What was the

Re: [gentoo-user] grub vs grub 2

2012-02-14 Thread Florian Philipp
Am 14.02.2012 18:36, schrieb james: Googling around, I get the impression that 'grub' is now grub 2. Is that correct? In portage I see grub-static (GRUB Legacy boot loader) with version numbers that coincide with grub (grub2 ?). If grub2 has replaced grub-1 what (gentoo) version

Re: [gentoo-user] grub vs grub 2

2012-02-14 Thread Stefano Crocco
Il giorno Tue, 14 Feb 2012 17:36:28 + (UTC) james wirel...@tampabay.rr.com ha scritto: Googling around, I get the impression that 'grub' is now grub 2. Is that correct? In portage I see grub-static (GRUB Legacy boot loader) with version numbers that coincide with grub (grub2 ?).

Re: [gentoo-user] grub vs grub 2

2012-02-14 Thread LK
On 120214, at 18:53, Florian Philipp wrote: Am 14.02.2012 18:36, schrieb james: Googling around, I get the impression that 'grub' is now grub 2. Is that correct? [...] Because it is still in development hell, it has not reached version 2.00. BTW: So is grub0 still supported by gentoo /

Re: [gentoo-user] grub vs grub 2

2012-02-14 Thread m...@trausch.us
On 02/14/2012 01:08 PM, LK wrote: BTW: So is grub0 still supported by gentoo / maintained by themselves? Does that matter(it is boot, no network stuff) ? GRUB Legacy (that is, GRUB versions 0.xx) is still the default in Gentoo. In order to use GRUB 2 (that is, GRUB version 1.99 in Portage)

Re: [gentoo-user] grub vs grub 2

2012-02-14 Thread LK
On 120214, at 19:24, m...@trausch.us wrote: On 02/14/2012 01:08 PM, LK wrote: BTW: So is grub0 still supported by gentoo / maintained by themselves? Does that matter(it is boot, no network stuff) ? GRUB Legacy (that is, GRUB versions 0.xx) is still the default in Gentoo. In order to use

Re: [gentoo-user] grub vs grub 2

2012-02-14 Thread Alecks Gates
On Feb 14, 2012 1:41 PM, LK linuxrocksrul...@googlemail.com wrote: On 120214, at 19:24, m...@trausch.us wrote: On 02/14/2012 01:08 PM, LK wrote: BTW: So is grub0 still supported by gentoo / maintained by themselves? Does that matter(it is boot, no network stuff) ? GRUB Legacy (that is,

Re: [gentoo-user] grub vs grub 2

2012-02-14 Thread m...@trausch.us
On 02/14/2012 01:40 PM, LK wrote: On 120214, at 19:24, m...@trausch.us wrote: On 02/14/2012 01:08 PM, LK wrote: BTW: So is grub0 still supported by gentoo / maintained by themselves? Does that matter(it is boot, no network stuff) ? GRUB Legacy (that is, GRUB versions 0.xx) is still the

Re: [gentoo-user] grub vs grub 2

2012-02-14 Thread Michael Mol
On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 1:52 PM, m...@trausch.us m...@trausch.us wrote: On 02/14/2012 01:40 PM, LK wrote: On 120214, at 19:24, m...@trausch.us wrote: On 02/14/2012 01:08 PM, LK wrote: BTW: So is grub0 still supported by gentoo / maintained by themselves? Does that matter(it is boot, no

Re: [gentoo-user] grub vs grub 2

2012-02-14 Thread Andrea Conti
PS: If you know how to get rid of any background image, could you say how? Remove or comment out any splashimage directives from the config file. *** Re grub2: as long as grub0 works, I really don't care if grub2 is better, cleaner, shinier, more modern or anything else. I don't need a

Re: [gentoo-user] grub vs grub 2

2012-02-14 Thread m...@trausch.us
On 02/14/2012 02:04 PM, Michael Mol wrote: A detailed elaboration would be nice. A contrasting migration guide, complete with the how's, where's and why's would be awesome. (Once one's invested in understanding a tool, a 1-2-3-itsmagic walkthrough is very discomforting.) While there are

Re: [gentoo-user] grub vs grub 2

2012-02-14 Thread m...@trausch.us
On 02/14/2012 02:29 PM, Andrea Conti wrote: Re grub2: as long as grub0 works, I really don't care if grub2 is better, cleaner, shinier, more modern or anything else. I don't need a freakin' whole OS to boot linux, and having a configuration that is so convoluted that it *has to* be generated

Re: [gentoo-user] grub vs grub 2

2012-02-14 Thread Michael Mol
On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 3:35 PM, m...@trausch.us m...@trausch.us wrote: On 02/14/2012 02:04 PM, Michael Mol wrote: A detailed elaboration would be nice. A contrasting migration guide, complete with the how's, where's and why's would be awesome. (Once one's invested in understanding a tool, a

Re: [gentoo-user] grub vs grub 2

2012-02-14 Thread LK
On 120214, at 21:42, m...@trausch.us wrote: On 02/14/2012 02:29 PM, Andrea Conti wrote: Re grub2: as long as grub0 works, I really don't care if grub2 is better, cleaner, shinier, more modern or anything else. I don't need a freakin' whole OS to boot linux, and having a configuration that

Re: [gentoo-user] grub vs grub 2

2012-02-14 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 21:57:03 +0100, LK wrote: I'm not sure how that translates to being more complex. If you are averse to change, just say so and be done with it. Is it different? Oh, yes, absolutely. It couldn't be better if it were the same, could it? ;-) First, why do we need

Re: [gentoo-user] grub vs grub 2

2012-02-14 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 20:29:26 +0100, Andrea Conti wrote: I don't need a freakin' whole OS to boot linux, and having a configuration that is so convoluted that it *has to* be generated by running a set of scripts makes no sense at all. No it doesn't. so thankfully, outside of your FUD, this is

Re: [gentoo-user] grub vs grub 2

2012-02-14 Thread m...@trausch.us
On 02/14/2012 03:57 PM, LK wrote: First, why do we need that much code? First, are you talking about source or binary code? If you're talking about source code, then realize this: Not all that source is even compiled on your system. As to the source that *is* compiled on your system, there

Re: [gentoo-user] grub vs grub 2

2012-02-14 Thread Paul Hartman
On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 12:52 PM, m...@trausch.us m...@trausch.us wrote: It also supports partition schemes other than MBR, which is useful since I use GPT on my systems. FYI Gentoo's GRUB 0.9x in portage has supported GPT for at least 2 or 3 years now. I'm using it with GPT partitions and my

Re: [gentoo-user] grub vs grub 2

2012-02-14 Thread m...@trausch.us
On 02/14/2012 06:47 PM, Paul Hartman wrote: FYI Gentoo's GRUB 0.9x in portage has supported GPT for at least 2 or 3 years now. I'm using it with GPT partitions and my systems all boot. :) Not all distributions do. I have been running GPT for quite some time, while I only switched to Gentoo