Re: [gentoo-user] which machine to buy for perfect gentoo machine?!

2013-04-19 Thread Matthew Marlowe
General thoughts when building a home gentoo workstation that you want to last a _long_ time: - Quality, durability, and flexibility of the motherboard, power supply, and chassis are the most important items to focus on. You want a motherboard that is capable of lasting for 10yrs w/o problem, so

Re: [gentoo-user] which machine to buy for perfect gentoo machine?!

2013-04-17 Thread Tamer Higazi
Hi João! Seems to be that the bulldozer and FX architecture is from GCC 4.6.3 up fully supported. http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Safe_Cflags/AMD#FX-8xxx.2F6xxx.2F4xxx_.28Bulldozer.29 Tamer Am 15.04.2013 16:47, schrieb João Matos: Great discussion. I'm in a similar situation. I'm using a

Re: [gentoo-user] which machine to buy for perfect gentoo machine?!

2013-04-15 Thread João Matos
Great discussion. I'm in a similar situation. I'm using a core2duo for about 5 years, and I think it is time to upgrade it. But, after reading this, there are still to doubts: 1) r the amd processors really fully supported? When I compile my kernel (amd64), for instance, while looking for

Re: [gentoo-user] which machine to buy for perfect gentoo machine?!

2013-04-14 Thread Michael Mol
On 04/14/2013 01:55 AM, Pandu Poluan wrote: On Apr 14, 2013 1:42 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com mailto:mike...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] What I meant was: given 4 physical AMD cores (but only 2 FPUs, courtesy of AMD's Bulldozer/Piledriver arch) vs 4 virtual Intel cores (2 cores split

Re: [gentoo-user] which machine to buy for perfect gentoo machine?!

2013-04-14 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Apr 14, 2013 1:27 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/14/2013 01:55 AM, Pandu Poluan wrote: On Apr 14, 2013 1:42 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com mailto:mike...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] What I meant was: given 4 physical AMD cores (but only 2 FPUs, courtesy of

Re: [gentoo-user] which machine to buy for perfect gentoo machine?!

2013-04-14 Thread Michael Mol
On 04/14/2013 04:32 AM, Pandu Poluan wrote: On Apr 14, 2013 1:27 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com mailto:mike...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/14/2013 01:55 AM, Pandu Poluan wrote: On Apr 14, 2013 1:42 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com mailto:mike...@gmail.com mailto:mike...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] which machine to buy for perfect gentoo machine?!

2013-04-13 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Apr 13, 2013 12:18 PM, Nilesh Govindrajan m...@nileshgr.com wrote: On Saturday 13 April 2013 10:39:08 AM IST, Kvothe Tech wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Tamer Higazi th9...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi people! My old core2duo machine says slowly goodbye and I am at

Re: [gentoo-user] which machine to buy for perfect gentoo machine?!

2013-04-13 Thread Philip Webb
130413 Tamer Higazi wrote: I am after 7 years buying myself a new developer machine well for a long time again. With intel I never had problems, all their systems were REALLY stable and they were really worth their money up to the last cent. There are 3 choices: Intel Xeon E5-2650 Core

Re: [gentoo-user] which machine to buy for perfect gentoo machine?!

2013-04-13 Thread Dale
Pandu Poluan wrote: I myself prefer AMD CPUs to Intel ones. Intel has this habit of 'segmenting' their processor features. E.g., Intel VT-x (Intel's buggy implementation of AMD-V) is not available across the board. If one needs to leverage VT-x for virtualization purposes, one must be

Re: [gentoo-user] which machine to buy for perfect gentoo machine?!

2013-04-13 Thread Tamer Higazi
Hi Dale! Am 13.04.2013 13:54, schrieb Dale: Pandu Poluan wrote: I myself prefer AMD CPUs to Intel ones. Intel has this habit of 'segmenting' their processor features. E.g., Intel VT-x (Intel's buggy implementation of AMD-V) is not available across the board. What is VT-x And also

Re: [gentoo-user] which machine to buy for perfect gentoo machine?!

2013-04-13 Thread Alexander Schwarz
Am 13.04.2013 15:28, schrieb Tamer Higazi: The intel ones after it served me this 7 years well. However, I do not swear using intel, but I want to know if it makes sense or to buy a new intel cpu or it's only advertising in the cloud. I believe AMD is doing meanwhile stable cpu's as well,

Re: [gentoo-user] which machine to buy for perfect gentoo machine?!

2013-04-13 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Apr 13, 2013 8:29 PM, Tamer Higazi th9...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi Dale! Am 13.04.2013 13:54, schrieb Dale: Pandu Poluan wrote: I myself prefer AMD CPUs to Intel ones. Intel has this habit of 'segmenting' their processor features. E.g., Intel VT-x (Intel's buggy

Re: [gentoo-user] which machine to buy for perfect gentoo machine?!

2013-04-13 Thread Erick Guan
E3 1230v2 is enough for me. You don't have to spend a lot of money for CPU. On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 12:24 AM, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote: On Apr 13, 2013 8:29 PM, Tamer Higazi th9...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi Dale! Am 13.04.2013 13:54, schrieb Dale: Pandu Poluan wrote:

Re: [gentoo-user] which machine to buy for perfect gentoo machine?!

2013-04-13 Thread Tamer Higazi
Hi Erick! Thank you very much for your great description that makes my decision easier. However, one last question On a modern AMD machine, would I have to enable hyperthreading support in the kernel as well, and should / must I double the cores at the MAKEOPTS flag ?! Tamer Am

Re: [gentoo-user] which machine to buy for perfect gentoo machine?!

2013-04-13 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Apr 13, 2013 11:57 PM, Tamer Higazi th9...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 13.04.2013 18:24, schrieb Pandu Poluan: On Apr 13, 2013 8:29 PM, Tamer Higazi th9...@googlemail.com mailto:th9...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi Dale! Am 13.04.2013 13:54, schrieb Dale: Pandu Poluan wrote:

Re: [gentoo-user] which machine to buy for perfect gentoo machine?!

2013-04-13 Thread Frank Steinmetzger
On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 07:03:26AM +0200, Tamer Higazi wrote: Hi people! My old core2duo machine says slowly goodbye and I am at this lever after 7 years for buying myself a new developer machine, that should serve me well for a long time again. With intel I never had problems, all their

Re: [gentoo-user] which machine to buy for perfect gentoo machine?!

2013-04-13 Thread Michael Mol
On 04/13/2013 01:45 PM, Pandu Poluan wrote: [snip] Three, AMD has no concept of Hyperthreading. Correct. Just match -j to the number of cores your CPU provides, and that's it. Well, YMMV. You can spend a lot of time adjusting -j on a per-system basis to account for things like I/O. Right

Re: [gentoo-user] which machine to buy for perfect gentoo machine?!

2013-04-13 Thread Michael Mol
On 04/13/2013 01:50 PM, Frank Steinmetzger wrote: On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 07:03:26AM +0200, Tamer Higazi wrote: Hi people! My old core2duo machine says slowly goodbye and I am at this lever after 7 years for buying myself a new developer machine, that should serve me well for a long time

Re: [gentoo-user] which machine to buy for perfect gentoo machine?!

2013-04-13 Thread Frank Steinmetzger
On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 02:44:20PM -0400, Michael Mol wrote: I'm currently holding out on my Core2 though, because Haswell is on the doorstep, and I first wanna see what the market has to offer. The CPU part might not gain much in performance, but the graphics part got a big boost and

Re: [gentoo-user] which machine to buy for perfect gentoo machine?!

2013-04-13 Thread Michael Mol
On 04/13/2013 05:49 PM, Frank Steinmetzger wrote: On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 02:44:20PM -0400, Michael Mol wrote: I'm currently holding out on my Core2 though, because Haswell is on the doorstep, and I first wanna see what the market has to offer. The CPU part might not gain much in

Re: [gentoo-user] which machine to buy for perfect gentoo machine?!

2013-04-13 Thread Tamer Higazi
Am 13.04.2013 19:45, schrieb Pandu Poluan: One, I'm not Erick. Sorry Pandu Two, please don't top-post. Three, AMD has no concept of Hyperthreading. Just match -j to the number of cores your CPU provides, and that's it. okay. As I wrote, an AMD Quad Core provides actual 4 cores.

Re: [gentoo-user] which machine to buy for perfect gentoo machine?!

2013-04-13 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Apr 14, 2013 1:42 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/13/2013 01:45 PM, Pandu Poluan wrote: [snip] Three, AMD has no concept of Hyperthreading. Correct. Just match -j to the number of cores your CPU provides, and that's it. Well, YMMV. You can spend a lot of time

[gentoo-user] which machine to buy for perfect gentoo machine?!

2013-04-12 Thread Tamer Higazi
Hi people! My old core2duo machine says slowly goodbye and I am at this lever after 7 years for buying myself a new developer machine, that should serve me well for a long time again. With intel I never had problems, all their systems were REALLY stable, and they were really worth their money up

Re: [gentoo-user] which machine to buy for perfect gentoo machine?!

2013-04-12 Thread Kvothe Tech
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Tamer Higazi th9...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi people! My old core2duo machine says slowly goodbye and I am at this lever after 7 years for buying myself a new developer machine, that should serve me well for a long time again. With intel I never had

Re: [gentoo-user] which machine to buy for perfect gentoo machine?!

2013-04-12 Thread Nilesh Govindrajan
On Saturday 13 April 2013 10:39:08 AM IST, Kvothe Tech wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Tamer Higazi th9...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi people! My old core2duo machine says slowly goodbye and I am at this lever after 7 years for buying myself a new developer machine, that