[gentoo-user] Masking for Educational Purposes only ?
Hi, portage-2.2.. has been masked. /usr/portage/profiles/package.mask tells me why In order to ensure that portage-2.1.6 gets sufficient testing, portage-2.2 will be masked in package.mask until portage-2.1.6 has been marked stable. I feel like someone will try to educate me. Yes, I can and will unmask it again, but why am I forced to? I'd prefer if package.mask is used for buggy or dangerous packages only. -- Helmut Jarausch Lehrstuhl fuer Numerische Mathematik RWTH - Aachen University D 52056 Aachen, Germany
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] unloading wacom module
On 24 Nov, Andrew Gaydenko wrote: Hi! After adding wacom bamboo I have a problem: at exiting from X (any DE - KDE, Gnome. fluxbox) DE freezes. I have found in Xorg.log there is a problem of unloading wacom module: Backtrace: 0: X(xf86SigHandler+0x65) [0x482c25] 1: /lib/libc.so.6 [0x7f012ad85ee0] 2: /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/input//wacom_drv.so [0x7f01293dbf75] 3: /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/input//wacom_drv.so [0x7f01293e4f25] 4: X(DeleteInputDeviceRequest+0x3b) [0x48e8fb] 5: X(CloseDownDevices+0x29) [0x443bf9] 6: X(main+0x4ad) [0x43121d] 7: /lib/libc.so.6(__libc_start_main+0xe6) [0x7f012ad72486] 8: X [0x4305a9] Wacom-related xorg.conf fragment is below. linuxwacom package is installed with gtk usb flags. ~amd64 up to date system is in use. Thoughts? Must I supply additional info? Well, using x11-base/xorg-x11-7.4 , x11-base/xorg-server-1.5.2 and the kernel module of linuxwacom-0.8.1-6 (http://linuxwacom.sourceforge.net/) I don't have this problem (anymore). -- Helmut Jarausch Lehrstuhl fuer Numerische Mathematik RWTH - Aachen University D 52056 Aachen, Germany
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] unloading wacom module
On Monday 24 November 2008 11:18:33 Helmut Jarausch wrote: the kernel module of linuxwacom-0.8.1-6 (http://linuxwacom.sourceforge.net/) I don't have this problem (anymore). Aha, life is nice now :-) Thanks! Do you mean (besides using upstream sources) your kernel config has N for wacom module, and linuxwacom package has kernel_linux flag? Have you overlay ebuild for 0.8.1-6?
Re: [gentoo-user] Masking for Educational Purposes only ?
2008/11/24 Helmut Jarausch [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, portage-2.2.. has been masked. /usr/portage/profiles/package.mask tells me why In order to ensure that portage-2.1.6 gets sufficient testing, portage-2.2 will be masked in package.mask until portage-2.1.6 has been marked stable. I feel like someone will try to educate me. Yes, I can and will unmask it again, but why am I forced to? I'd prefer if package.mask is used for buggy or dangerous packages only. I will try to explain this a bit from what I know from mailing-lists and IRC. First there are no problems with portage-2.2. It has been masked because some features are not ready and thus are blocking stabilisation. As a conclusion portage-2.1.6 has been branched out without this features to get a stable version into the tree which has support for eapi 2 and all other features that are ready. To get more testing to 2.1.6 version it has been decided to mask 2.2 with the hope more people are using 2.1.6 to get remaining bugs fixed and to get it stable quickly. Of course some users which are for instance using kde-4 or other stuff which will need features that are only in 2.2 will have to unmask portage 2.2 to get the system running. This is one thing that annoys me a bit of gentoo. There is way to much information that is not passed to the users, a short announcement which explains the situation on the homepage, forum or even the gentoo-user mailing list and everything would be fine. Some things important for users are often discussed only on IRC or the gentoo-dev mailing list so they do not reach most of the users. Examples are this portage masking and the perl package moves to name a few things that happened recently. -- Regards, Daniel
Re: [gentoo-user] Masking for Educational Purposes only ?
Daniel Pielmeier wrote: I will try to explain this a bit from what I know from mailing-lists and IRC. First there are no problems with portage-2.2. It has been masked because some features are not ready and thus are blocking stabilisation. As a conclusion portage-2.1.6 has been branched out without this features to get a stable version into the tree which has support for eapi 2 and all other features that are ready. To get more testing to 2.1.6 version it has been decided to mask 2.2 with the hope more people are using 2.1.6 to get remaining bugs fixed and to get it stable quickly. Of course some users which are for instance using kde-4 or other stuff which will need features that are only in 2.2 will have to unmask portage 2.2 to get the system running. This is one thing that annoys me a bit of gentoo. There is way to much information that is not passed to the users, a short announcement which explains the situation on the homepage, forum or even the gentoo-user mailing list and everything would be fine. Some things important for users are often discussed only on IRC or the gentoo-dev mailing list so they do not reach most of the users. Examples are this portage masking and the perl package moves to name a few things that happened recently. Of course, there is the Gentoo monthly newsletter. Supposed to be monthly anyway. I haven't seen one in a while so it may be going quarterly this time. ;-) I do wish they had or would use a announce mailing list to inform people of changes, big ones anyway, that are coming or in the process of happening. At least that way we would know what is about to get borked or worse and require some huge emerges to get back on track. Anyway . . . . Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Masking for Educational Purposes only ?
2008/11/24 Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Of course, there is the Gentoo monthly newsletter. Supposed to be monthly anyway. I haven't seen one in a while so it may be going quarterly this time. ;-) I do wish they had or would use a announce mailing list to inform people of changes, big ones anyway, that are coming or in the process of happening. At least that way we would know what is about to get borked or worse and require some huge emerges to get back on track. Well, this is probably another thing that has not reached the user base :-) The main author of the GWN sent a message to the gentoo-dev-announce mailing-list: Hi Folks, I've been extremely busy traveling attending conferences for the last few weeks and will be required to continue the same for atleast 2 weeks more; and nightmorph is just recovering from his failed hardware. As a result, there will be no October issue of the GMN. We hope to resume to normality by the end of November. Apologies. -- Regards, Daniel
Re: [gentoo-user] filesystems
On Mon, 2008-11-24 at 07:30 +0100, Dirk Heinrichs wrote: Am Sonntag, 23. November 2008 23:31:30 schrieb William Kenworthy: What I would really like is a file system that would unify these spaces and present them to the network as storage space - ideally with redundant data storage so one or more machines can dissappear and the data is still available. AFS is not quite what I want (or maybe it is, but it doesn't seem to handle transient storage duplication) For a non-native speaker, could you explain transient storage duplication a bit more? Because I think AFS may well be what you're looking for, or maybe its cousin Coda. Bye... Dirk By transient storage I mean that the data is duplicated across across physical storage spaces so that if a machine goes down, the data is still available. I thought Andrews FS did that, but didnt see when looking at it yesterday. BillK
Re: [gentoo-user] Masking for Educational Purposes only ?
Daniel Pielmeier wrote: 2008/11/24 Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Of course, there is the Gentoo monthly newsletter. Supposed to be monthly anyway. I haven't seen one in a while so it may be going quarterly this time. ;-) I do wish they had or would use a announce mailing list to inform people of changes, big ones anyway, that are coming or in the process of happening. At least that way we would know what is about to get borked or worse and require some huge emerges to get back on track. Well, this is probably another thing that has not reached the user base :-) The main author of the GWN sent a message to the gentoo-dev-announce mailing-list: Hi Folks, I've been extremely busy traveling attending conferences for the last few weeks and will be required to continue the same for atleast 2 weeks more; and nightmorph is just recovering from his failed hardware. As a result, there will be no October issue of the GMN. We hope to resume to normality by the end of November. Apologies. I remember seeing that. Sounds like they need three people in the loop instead of two. Bad things happen. About three weeks ago I was in the hospital not sure I was going to live so I know first hand how downhill things can go in a huge hurry. Someone will come up with a plan at some point, I just hope it is sooner rather than later. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] filesystems
On Montag 24 November 2008, Dale wrote: Dirk Heinrichs wrote: Am Montag, 24. November 2008 02:06:04 schrieb Dale: I think it is LVMS or something. Linux volume management system?? I think Redhat calls it EVMS or something. Two things, (more ore less) one purpose: 1) LVM: Logical Volume Management 2) EVMS: Enterprise Volume Management System 1) is used for management of Logical Volumes, organised in Volume Groups, which could be spread accross one or more Physical Volumes. @William: If one or more of the PVs is a Network Block Device, you're not bound to the local machine. 2) From IBM, not RH. It's an umbrella for the whole storage management chain from fdisk over (SW-) RAID and Logical Volumes to filesystem creation and maintenance. HTH... Dirk I knew it was something like that. I thought it was networkable but was not sure. You guys sure know more about that than I do. - evms was used for a while by Suse - I don't know if they still do. - there is a long lvm-is-broken-threadon f.g.o.
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] filesystems
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Montag 24 November 2008, Dale wrote: I knew it was something like that. I thought it was networkable but was not sure. You guys sure know more about that than I do. - evms was used for a while by Suse - I don't know if they still do. - there is a long lvm-is-broken-threadon f.g.o. I used to be subscribed to the mailing list, thought about using one or the other. Just before I unsubscribed, there were some people trying to get it back up and going. I'm not sure how that went or if it is still being worked on or not. It seemed pretty neat but I just couldn't never get up the nerve to switch over. Maybe it will survive. I'm waiting on reiserfs4 to go stable. ;-) Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] filesystems
Am Montag, 24. November 2008 11:30:25 schrieb William Kenworthy: By transient storage I mean that the data is duplicated across across physical storage spaces so that if a machine goes down, the data is still available. OK, thanks. I thought Andrews FS did that, but didnt see when looking at it yesterday. Yes, (Open-)AFS indeed does this. However, this replication is read-only. This means you can read the data as long as at least one replica is available and write the data as long as the original (the read-write) volume is available. There are also some other things to keep in mind: * AFS' primary tool for access control are its access control lists (ACL), but those are not posix, but AFS ACLs and they apply at the directory (not file) level. However, that's usually sufficient, because one can work with subdirs and symbolic links to implement more restrictive access for some files in the same directory. * ACLs can also contain host names. * If a volume is replicated, the client always prefers the read-only path (read-write volumes are usually accessed via /afs/.mycell.mydomain, while read-only volumes (if they exist) are accessed via /afs/mycell.mydomain). So if you want to modify a file you must explicitely open it via the rw-path. * Replication doesn't happen automatically, needs an explicit command. * Support for backup volumes is also there (comes with its own backup system). * Can move volumes to different servers while online. * Data is cached on the client. * You'll need Kerberos 5. If you have further questions, feel free to ask. Bye... Dirk
Re: [gentoo-user] How to get rid of gail-1000
2008/11/24 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, from time to time this message pops up after syncing: [blocks B ] gnome-base/gail-1000 (is blocking x11-libs/gtk+-2.14.4) How can I get rid of gail-1000 finally? This question has been raised some time ago, gail is included in gtk now, thus the blocker. http://groups.google.com/group/linux.gentoo.user/browse_thread/thread/38a194c3537114ff# http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=169488 -- Regards, Daniel
Re: [gentoo-user] filesystems
On Mon, 2008-11-24 at 12:07 +0100, Dirk Heinrichs wrote: Am Montag, 24. November 2008 11:30:25 schrieb William Kenworthy: By transient storage I mean that the data is duplicated across across physical storage spaces so that if a machine goes down, the data is still available. OK, thanks. I thought Andrews FS did that, but didnt see when looking at it yesterday. Yes, (Open-)AFS indeed does this. However, this replication is read-only. This means you can read the data as long as at least one replica is available and write the data as long as the original (the read-write) volume is available. There are also some other things to keep in mind: * AFS' primary tool for access control are its access control lists (ACL), but those are not posix, but AFS ACLs and they apply at the directory (not file) level. However, that's usually sufficient, because one can work with subdirs and symbolic links to implement more restrictive access for some files in the same directory. * ACLs can also contain host names. * If a volume is replicated, the client always prefers the read-only path (read-write volumes are usually accessed via /afs/.mycell.mydomain, while read-only volumes (if they exist) are accessed via /afs/mycell.mydomain). So if you want to modify a file you must explicitely open it via the rw-path. * Replication doesn't happen automatically, needs an explicit command. * Support for backup volumes is also there (comes with its own backup system). * Can move volumes to different servers while online. * Data is cached on the client. * You'll need Kerberos 5. If you have further questions, feel free to ask. Bye... Dirk Discovered this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_file_systems#Distributed_file_systems Thats going to keep me busy for awhile! BillK -- William Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home in Perth!
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Touchscreen does not react
On 23 Nov 2008, at 22:07, Robert Bridge wrote: ... (http://210.64.17.162/web20/TouchKitDriver/linuxDriver.htm) Please provide URLs by domain name, I will NEVER click on an IP based URL, unless I explicitly trust the provider. Is http://sw64-17-162.adsl.seed.net.tw/web20/TouchKitDriver/linuxDriver.htm really any more assuring to you? ;) No, but I didn't bother even looking... ;) And a healthy dose of paranoia with links is always a good idea. Yeah, but if someone gives you a domain-based URL, how paranoid are you over checking its trustworthiness? Do you say I've never been to that domain before, so I won't trust it? That effectively prevents you browsing the web, beyond the MSN homepage that came preinstalled on your computer. Do you check the spelling of every URL you consider visiting? Just one character of typo in the domain of a URL could find you redirected to a fraudulent site. So you must check every URL carefully. Really, domain-based URLs are better than IP-based ones because they allow the owner to move a site's IP without changing it's addy. They are therefore likely to have better longevity. But I am somewhat dubious of your security concerns. Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] filesystems
Am Montag, 24. November 2008 13:03:13 schrieb William Kenworthy: Discovered this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_file_systems#Distributed_file_systems Thats going to keep me busy for awhile! Interesting link. However, NFS, SMB, AFP and NCP are NOT distributed filesystems. They're just network filesystems. Bye... Dirk
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] filesystems
Am Montag, 24. November 2008 12:07:34 schrieb Dale: Maybe it will survive. I'm waiting on reiserfs4 to go stable. ;-) Well, with its inventor being imprisoned for the next 15 years or so, you'll have to be patient. I for one wait for btrfs. Bye... Dirk
Re: [gentoo-user] filesystems
On 24 Nov 2008, at 11:07, Dirk Heinrichs wrote: ... If you have further questions, feel free to ask. I would love a file system that transparently replicates over several systems - say 2 - 5. It doesn't need to amalgamate spare in any way (as BillK requests), let's just say I just have a couple of gig on each machine that I want replicated. I should be able to read operate on the files on the partition just as normal, but when a file is saved to or deleted from any one machine the change should be replicated on all the others across the (slow) network. Basically, the idea is that I should be able to set machines A, B C as MX for my domain and be able to read a new message whichever machine receives it. I should be able to run all 3 machines as IMAP servers and connect to any one of them to see the same view of my messages. When the IMAP server deletes or moves a message (on, say, A) that transaction should be replicated across B C. (But likewise if the message is moved or deleted on B then the transaction should be replicated across A C). I suspect I would be optimistic if I hoped for something so sophisticated to be readily available, as I am aware that this would be problematic to implement. But do you have any suggestions? Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] filesystems
On Mon, 2008-11-24 at 12:35 +, Stroller wrote: On 24 Nov 2008, at 11:07, Dirk Heinrichs wrote: ... If you have further questions, feel free to ask. I would love a file system that transparently replicates over several systems - say 2 - 5. It doesn't need to amalgamate spare in any way (as BillK requests), let's just say I just have a couple of gig on each machine that I want replicated. I should be able to read operate on the files on the partition just as normal, but when a file is saved to or deleted from any one machine the change should be replicated on all the others across the (slow) network. Basically, the idea is that I should be able to set machines A, B C as MX for my domain and be able to read a new message whichever machine receives it. I should be able to run all 3 machines as IMAP servers and connect to any one of them to see the same view of my messages. When the IMAP server deletes or moves a message (on, say, A) that transaction should be replicated across B C. (But likewise if the message is moved or deleted on B then the transaction should be replicated across A C). I suspect I would be optimistic if I hoped for something so sophisticated to be readily available, as I am aware that this would be problematic to implement. But do you have any suggestions? Stroller. I set up an openmosix cluster once using dfs I think. It replicated data just like you want so each exported thread was seeing consistent file space. It did work, but had a few issues ... I think it was designed by MS being one :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_File_System_(Microsoft) BillK
Re: [gentoo-user] filesystems
Am Montag, 24. November 2008 13:35:25 schrieb Stroller: I suspect I would be optimistic if I hoped for something so sophisticated to be readily available, as I am aware that this would be problematic to implement. But do you have any suggestions? Maybe Coda. Bye... Dirk
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] filesystems
On Montag 24 November 2008, Dirk Heinrichs wrote: Am Montag, 24. November 2008 12:07:34 schrieb Dale: Maybe it will survive. I'm waiting on reiserfs4 to go stable. ;-) Well, with its inventor being imprisoned for the next 15 years or so, you'll have to be patient. I for one wait for btrfs. Bye... Dirk Edward is not imprisioned and doing a fine job. Even in face of such current sabotage attempts as by Morton/Piggin.
Re: [gentoo-user] filesystems
Am Montag, 24. November 2008 13:44:06 schrieb William Kenworthy: I set up an openmosix cluster once using dfs I think. It replicated data just like you want so each exported thread was seeing consistent file space. It did work, but had a few issues ... I think it was designed by MS being one :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_File_System_(Microsoft) I strongly doubt that you used MS DFS in a Linux based cluster. If it was really DFS, then this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DCE_Distributed_File_System. Both are totally different beasts. Bye... Dirk
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] filesystems
Am Montag, 24. November 2008 13:49:38 schrieb Volker Armin Hemmann: On Montag 24 November 2008, Dirk Heinrichs wrote: Am Montag, 24. November 2008 12:07:34 schrieb Dale: Maybe it will survive. I'm waiting on reiserfs4 to go stable. ;-) Well, with its inventor being imprisoned for the next 15 years or so, you'll have to be patient. I for one wait for btrfs. Edward is not imprisioned and doing a fine job. Even in face of such current sabotage attempts as by Morton/Piggin. Is he the inventor? AFAIK he's (one of) the last remaining developer(s). However, btrfs also seems to be the favourite of many kernel hackers as they want to have a ZFS competitor. Bye... Dirk
Re: [gentoo-user] How to run dhclient on the background
I had a similar problem with my machine when I first started using Gentoo, but I then discovered sys-apps/netplug. Install that and all should be well. You might want to check your RC_NET_STRICT_CHECKING variable (in /etc/conf.d/rc) is the way you want it, but otherwise there isn't any extra configuration required. I realise you've already got your original problem sorted, but hopefully this helps others. Thanks for the tip Dan.
Re: [gentoo-user] filesystems
On Mon, 2008-11-24 at 13:50 +0100, Dirk Heinrichs wrote: Am Montag, 24. November 2008 13:44:06 schrieb William Kenworthy: I set up an openmosix cluster once using dfs I think. It replicated data just like you want so each exported thread was seeing consistent file space. It did work, but had a few issues ... I think it was designed by MS being one :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_File_System_(Microsoft) I strongly doubt that you used MS DFS in a Linux based cluster. If it was really DFS, then this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DCE_Distributed_File_System. Both are totally different beasts. Bye... Dirk Your right, it was mfs - I still had the relevant line in an fstab - must have been 3-4 years ago at least. #mfs/mfsmfs dfsa=1,noauto 0 0 Its the dfsa argument that confised my memory. BillK -- William Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home in Perth!
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] filesystems
On Montag 24 November 2008, Dirk Heinrichs wrote: Am Montag, 24. November 2008 13:49:38 schrieb Volker Armin Hemmann: On Montag 24 November 2008, Dirk Heinrichs wrote: Am Montag, 24. November 2008 12:07:34 schrieb Dale: Maybe it will survive. I'm waiting on reiserfs4 to go stable. ;-) Well, with its inventor being imprisoned for the next 15 years or so, you'll have to be patient. I for one wait for btrfs. Edward is not imprisioned and doing a fine job. Even in face of such current sabotage attempts as by Morton/Piggin. Is he the inventor? AFAIK he's (one of) the last remaining developer(s). However, btrfs also seems to be the favourite of many kernel hackers as they want to have a ZFS competitor. he is not - but after the invention is implemented, the inventor is not needed anymore ;) btrfs looks very promising. I hope it will become a good fs. Fast for everybody, stable, efficient. We will see. Until then I will stay with r4+compression.
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] filesystems
On Monday 24 November 2008 14:49:38 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Montag 24 November 2008, Dirk Heinrichs wrote: Am Montag, 24. November 2008 12:07:34 schrieb Dale: Maybe it will survive. I'm waiting on reiserfs4 to go stable. ;-) Well, with its inventor being imprisoned for the next 15 years or so, you'll have to be patient. I for one wait for btrfs. Bye... Dirk Edward is not imprisioned and doing a fine job. Even in face of such current sabotage attempts as by Morton/Piggin. Never mind Hans' troubles, whoever maintains Reiser4 still has to get it past Linux, Alan Cox, Greg KH and co. That is not likely to be easy. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] filesystems
On Monday 24 November 2008 13:07:34 Dale wrote: I used to be subscribed to the mailing list, thought about using one or the other. Just before I unsubscribed, there were some people trying to get it back up and going. I'm not sure how that went or if it is still being worked on or not. It seemed pretty neat but I just couldn't never get up the nerve to switch over. Maybe it will survive. I'm waiting on reiserfs4 to go stable. ;-) dream on brother, dream on. Ain't gonna happen anytime soon. You'll have better luck getting Sun to dual-license ZFS under GPL :-) OTOH, ext4 and btrfs seem to have some interesting feature sets in the roadmap -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Masking for Educational Purposes only ?
On Monday 24 November 2008 11:58:41 Dale wrote: Of course, there is the Gentoo monthly newsletter. Supposed to be monthly anyway. I haven't seen one in a while so it may be going quarterly this time. ;-) Oh, you mean the GAN? As in Gentoo Annual Newsletter? I understand why it's irregular - it's a lot of work and nobody's volunteering. That's fine, but as such it does not make a good effective communication channel as everything will be announced long after the fact -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Masking for Educational Purposes only ?
On Monday 24 November 2008 10:15:46 Helmut Jarausch wrote: Hi, portage-2.2.. has been masked. /usr/portage/profiles/package.mask tells me why In order to ensure that portage-2.1.6 gets sufficient testing, portage-2.2 will be masked in package.mask until portage-2.1.6 has been marked stable. I feel like someone will try to educate me. Yes, I can and will unmask it again, but why am I forced to? I'd prefer if package.mask is used for buggy or dangerous packages only. +1 I ran into this same thing this morning and felt like mailing Zac a piece of my mind. Sanity prevailed though. I still feeling quite deeply offended though that a package maintainer has forced me to jump through a hoop simply because he would like an earlier version to get tested more. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] filesystems
On Monday 24 November 2008 08:28:33 Dirk Heinrichs wrote: @William: If one or more of the PVs is a Network Block Device, you're not bound to the local machine. I'd never thought of that, but it makes sense. PV wants a raw block device and couldn't care less if it leads to local disk or something else. How does it cope with network outages though? In my experience, LVM is not exactly graceful when one of it's PVs goes away -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] filesystems
On Monday 24 November 2008 07:58:55 Roy Wright wrote: W.Kenworthy wrote: On Sun, 2008-11-23 at 19:06 -0600, Dale wrote: Kobboi wrote: On Mon, 2008-11-24 at 07:31 +0900, William Kenworthy wrote: Currently I have around 3 terrabytes of storage across a number of gentoo machines (4 at the moment) - at any one time 1/2 to 1 terrabyte is unused, but mostly in scattered chunks. Some space is exported via NFS and samba for backups and shared files. maybe ZFS? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZFS But not on Linux as a kernel module sadly There's a FUSE implementation which is considerably slower (being FUSE) -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
[gentoo-user] 'halt' turns power off sometimes only
Why? In use: - up to date ~amd64, - ASUS P5B-VM motherboard, - ... (something else?) Andrew
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] filesystems
GMail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 24 November 2008 13:07:34 Dale wrote: I used to be subscribed to the mailing list, thought about using one or the other. Just before I unsubscribed, there were some people trying to get it back up and going. I'm not sure how that went or if it is still being worked on or not. It seemed pretty neat but I just couldn't never get up the nerve to switch over. Maybe it will survive. I'm waiting on reiserfs4 to go stable. ;-) dream on brother, dream on. Ain't gonna happen anytime soon. You'll have better luck getting Sun to dual-license ZFS under GPL :-) There is no need to dual license ZFS. There is absolutely no problem with using ZFS from Linux. What's missing is the will from the kernel developers to work on the incompatible VFS interface in the linux kernel. Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin [EMAIL PROTECTED](uni) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily
[gentoo-user] OT (a bit) finding overlay
Does anyone know how to find the paludis-extras overlay. Playman -l does not show it.. -- BigTone
[gentoo-user] Wiress Question...
I have a Dell D600 Laptop that I've got Gentoo installed on. It pretty much uses Gentoo full-time now. (Yeah!) I very frequently use the Wireless with it, which works great for the most part. However, it seems that the connection drops every once in a while, and the system doesn't detect it. A quick restart of the wlan0 interface (/etc/init.d/net.wlan0 restart) resolves the issue. I was wondering what the normal procedure is for this. I have WPA Supplicant installed, but it doesn't seem to be managing my wireless at all. (Would be great to get it to do so.) I'd really like to get this working properly. It's the probably the last thing to making the system 100% usable 100% of the time, and the only annoyance right now. Ben
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] filesystems
On 24 Nov 2008, at 14:12, GMail wrote: On Monday 24 November 2008 07:58:55 Roy Wright wrote: W.Kenworthy wrote: On Sun, 2008-11-23 at 19:06 -0600, Dale wrote: Kobboi wrote: On Mon, 2008-11-24 at 07:31 +0900, William Kenworthy wrote: Currently I have around 3 terrabytes of storage across a number of gentoo machines (4 at the moment) - at any one time 1/2 to 1 terrabyte is unused, but mostly in scattered chunks. Some space is exported via NFS and samba for backups and shared files. maybe ZFS? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZFS But not on Linux as a kernel module sadly There's a FUSE implementation which is considerably slower (being FUSE) IIRC the author of Linux-ZFS cites the NTFS implementation as demonstrating that FUSE can produce quite acceptable performance. Of course, maybe performance of NTFS would be better were it a kernel module, but I get the strong impression Linux-ZFS is poor because it doesn't have the developer resources needed to improve it. Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] filesystems
Am Montag, 24. November 2008 15:12:00 schrieb GMail: How does it cope with network outages though? In my experience, LVM is not exactly graceful when one of it's PVs goes away Don't know. I just know it's possible but never did it myself. Bye... Dirk
Re: [gentoo-user] Wiress Question...
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 9:42 AM, BRM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a Dell D600 Laptop that I've got Gentoo installed on. It pretty much uses Gentoo full-time now. (Yeah!) I very frequently use the Wireless with it, which works great for the most part. However, it seems that the connection drops every once in a while, and the system doesn't detect it. A quick restart of the wlan0 interface (/etc/init.d/net.wlan0 restart) resolves the issue. I was wondering what the normal procedure is for this. I have WPA Supplicant installed, but it doesn't seem to be managing my wireless at all. (Would be great to get it to do so.) I'd really like to get this working properly. It's the probably the last thing to making the system 100% usable 100% of the time, and the only annoyance right now. Ben Write a quick script to run from cron every 2 or 5 minutes that tests the connection and restarts if needed? Also straight from the handbook... # Prefer wpa_supplicant over wireless-tools modules=( wpa_supplicant ) And if that doesn't do the trick, there's always a means of forcing modules, but I don't have it handy, should be in net.example somewhere. -- Poison [BLX] Joshua M. Murphy
Re: [gentoo-user] filesystems
Am Montag, 24. November 2008 12:07:55 schrieb Dirk Heinrichs: If you have further questions, feel free to ask. One smalll thing to add: If you decide to use it, there's a Howto under http://www.gentoo-wiki.info/OpenAFS. Do NOT use the one from gentoo.org, it's old, outdated and partly incorrect. Bye... Dirk
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] filesystems
Roy Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: W.Kenworthy wrote: On Sun, 2008-11-23 at 19:06 -0600, Dale wrote: Kobboi wrote: On Mon, 2008-11-24 at 07:31 +0900, William Kenworthy wrote: Currently I have around 3 terrabytes of storage across a number of gentoo machines (4 at the moment) - at any one time 1/2 to 1 terrabyte is unused, but mostly in scattered chunks. Some space is exported via NFS and samba for backups and shared files. maybe ZFS? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZFS ZFS seems to be the best match as ZFS is implemented on top of zpools that allows you to share the underlying data store. Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin [EMAIL PROTECTED](uni) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily
Re: [gentoo-user] OT (a bit) finding overlay
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 8:21 AM, Tony Davison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know how to find the paludis-extras overlay. Playman -l does not show it.. http://paludis-extras.org
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] filesystems
Am Montag, 24. November 2008 14:50:30 schrieb Volker Armin Hemmann: he is not - but after the invention is implemented, the inventor is not needed anymore ;) Yes, that's right. Bye... Dirk
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] filesystems
Volker Armin Hemmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: he is not - but after the invention is implemented, the inventor is not needed anymore ;) I hope this is not the reason for putting him into prison ;-) Note the sign at the Springfield prison: If you commited murder, you'd be home by now. btrfs looks very promising. I hope it will become a good fs. Fast for everybody, stable, efficient. We will see. Until then I will stay with r4+compression. Well, it is under a restrictive license, so there is no chance that this filestem will become popular on many OS platforms. Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin [EMAIL PROTECTED](uni) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily
Re: [gentoo-user] OT (a bit) finding overlay
On Monday 24 November 2008 15:30:46 Paul Hartman wrote: On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 8:21 AM, Tony Davison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know how to find the paludis-extras overlay. Playman -l does not show it.. http://paludis-extras.org Thanks Worked it out now -- BigTone
[gentoo-user] ati-drivers-8.501 does not compile with kernel gentoo-sources 2.6.26-r3
Hi all,
I wanted to update my kernel to 2.6.26-r3 today. But the ati-drivers
version 8.501 won't compile.
log-file: http://rafb.net/p/CDrW9430.html
env-file: http://rafb.net/p/xvDA5Z82.html
emerge-info: http://rafb.net/p/mlNnia81.html
Can anyone help me?
Best regards
Christian
I got the following error message:
*
* ERROR: x11-drivers/ati-drivers-8.501 failed.
* Call stack:
* ebuild.sh, line 49: Called src_compile
* environment, line 3219: Called linux-mod_src_compile
* environment, line 2434: Called die
* The specific snippet of code:
* eval emake HOSTCC=\$(tc-getBUILD_CC)\
CROSS_COMPILE=${CHOST}-
LDFLAGS=\$(get_abi_LDFLAGS)\
${BUILD_FIXES} ${BUILD_PARAMS}
${BUILD_TARGETS} || die Unable to emake HOSTCC=$(tc-getBUILD_CC)
CROSS_COMPILE=${CHOST}- LDFLAGS=$(get_abi_LDFLAGS) ${BUILD_FIXES}
${BUILD_PARAMS} ${BUILD_TARGETS};
* The die message:
* Unable to emake HOSTCC=i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc
CROSS_COMPILE=i686-pc-linux-gnu- LDFLAGS= GCC_VER_MAJ=4
KVER=2.6.26-gentoo-r3 KDIR=/usr/src/linux kmod_build
*
* If you need support, post the topmost build error, and the call stack if
relevant.
* A complete build log is located
at '/var/tmp/portage/x11-drivers/ati-drivers-8.501/temp/build.log'.
* The ebuild environment file is located
at '/var/tmp/portage/x11-drivers/ati-drivers-8.501/temp/environment'.
Re: [gentoo-user] ati-drivers-8.501 does not compile with kernel gentoo-sources 2.6.26-r3
Christian schrieb: Hi all, I wanted to update my kernel to 2.6.26-r3 today. But the ati-drivers version 8.501 won't compile. log-file: http://rafb.net/p/CDrW9430.html env-file: http://rafb.net/p/xvDA5Z82.html emerge-info: http://rafb.net/p/mlNnia81.html Can anyone help me? You could help your own by buying an nvidia card! :) What card do you have? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] ati-drivers-8.501 does not compile with kernel gentoo-sources 2.6.26-r3
Am Montag, 24. November 2008 schrieb Justin: Christian schrieb: Hi all, I wanted to update my kernel to 2.6.26-r3 today. But the ati-drivers version 8.501 won't compile. log-file: http://rafb.net/p/CDrW9430.html env-file: http://rafb.net/p/xvDA5Z82.html emerge-info: http://rafb.net/p/mlNnia81.html Can anyone help me? You could help your own by buying an nvidia card! :) What card do you have? ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility X1400
[gentoo-user] openssh and lpk-patch
Hi, After last openssh' update to net-misc/openssh-5.1_p1-r1 it doesn't work for me. I had used lpk- configuration file' options. Does lpk-patch exist in last release' code? I've just rolled back to openssh-4.7_p1-r6. My use flags: USE=ldap pam tcpd -X -X509 -hpn -kerberos -libedit (-selinux) -skey -smartcard -static (-chroot%) Best regards, Evgeniy B. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [gentoo-user] ati-drivers-8.501 does not compile with kernel gentoo-sources 2.6.26-r3
On Montag 24 November 2008, Christian wrote: Hi all, I wanted to update my kernel to 2.6.26-r3 today. But the ati-drivers version 8.501 won't compile. is there a good reason to use acient drivers?
[gentoo-user] xf86-video-intel, compiz, mplayer -fs file.avi freeze
I have a MSI Wind U100 netbook. I'm using xfce with compiz-fusion. When I try to start mplayer -fs file.avi the Xserver freezes. It also freezes when the logout window of xfce, that gray transparent background, tries to show 3 buttons (logout, restart, poweroff). I can only move mouse cursor. Pressing ctrl+fN, ctrl+backspace, clicking ... does not work. Xorg.0.log says something like EQ overflowing and something about infinite loop. I don't have access to it right now (I'm in job). When compiz is disabled everything works well. Everything started to happen after move from xf86-video-i810 to xf86-video-intel. At least this is a time when it stopped to work for me. I've checked some other versions of that driver by unmasking it and it's dependencies... I tried changing to XAA, EXA in xorg.conf but it did not helped. Can some one help me with this? -- Kacper Kopczyński
Re: [gentoo-user] ati-drivers-8.501 does not compile with kernel gentoo-sources 2.6.26-r3
Christian a gentiment tapote:
Hi all,
I wanted to update my kernel to 2.6.26-r3 today. But the ati-drivers
version 8.501 won't compile.
log-file: http://rafb.net/p/CDrW9430.html
env-file: http://rafb.net/p/xvDA5Z82.html
emerge-info: http://rafb.net/p/mlNnia81.html
Can anyone help me?
Best regards
Christian
I got the following error message:
*
* ERROR: x11-drivers/ati-drivers-8.501 failed.
* Call stack:
* ebuild.sh, line 49: Called src_compile
* environment, line 3219: Called linux-mod_src_compile
* environment, line 2434: Called die
* The specific snippet of code:
* eval emake HOSTCC=\$(tc-getBUILD_CC)\
CROSS_COMPILE=${CHOST}-
LDFLAGS=\$(get_abi_LDFLAGS)\
${BUILD_FIXES} ${BUILD_PARAMS}
${BUILD_TARGETS} || die Unable to emake HOSTCC=$(tc-getBUILD_CC)
CROSS_COMPILE=${CHOST}- LDFLAGS=$(get_abi_LDFLAGS) ${BUILD_FIXES}
${BUILD_PARAMS} ${BUILD_TARGETS};
* The die message:
* Unable to emake HOSTCC=i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc
CROSS_COMPILE=i686-pc-linux-gnu- LDFLAGS= GCC_VER_MAJ=4
KVER=2.6.26-gentoo-r3 KDIR=/usr/src/linux kmod_build
*
* If you need support, post the topmost build error, and the call stack if
relevant.
* A complete build log is located
at '/var/tmp/portage/x11-drivers/ati-drivers-8.501/temp/build.log'.
* The ebuild environment file is located
at '/var/tmp/portage/x11-drivers/ati-drivers-8.501/temp/environment'.
Hi,
Did you try the 8.542 ati-drivers ?
It compiled fine with 2.6.26-r3 gentoo sources.
Cheers,
--
Jacques
[gentoo-user] qtiplot
Hi, I have an x86 gentoo system, and I would like to install qtiplot. Unfortunately: - qtiplot 0.8.x requires qwt-4. I have both qwt-4 and qwt-5 installed, and when compilng qtiplot seems to pick invariably the qwt-5. How do I force qtiplot to build with qwt-4 ? - qtiplot 0.9.x requires to unmask dependencies like split ebuilds for qt-4.4.2 and boost-1.35. Is it safe to do so in a mostly x86 stable system? What caveats could there be in migrating to the qt-4 unstable split ebuilds? Thanks, m.
Re: [gentoo-user] Masking for Educational Purposes only ?
GMail ha scritto: I ran into this same thing this morning and felt like mailing Zac a piece of my mind. Sanity prevailed though. I still feeling quite deeply offended though that a package maintainer has forced me to jump through a hoop simply because he would like an earlier version to get tested more. Well, why? If you want to test 2.2 instead, you can do it. It's not blocking you from anything. He wants users to test *more* a given version, and that in turn will probably benefit us all. It's a psychological trick, maybe, but an absolutely innocent one. In fact, once you know that, you *should* jump the bandwagon and help test the previous version. m.
[gentoo-user] Re: ati-drivers-8.501 does not compile with kernel gentoo-sources 2.6.26-r3
Arttu V. wrote: On 11/24/08, Volker Armin Hemmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Montag 24 November 2008, Christian wrote: Hi all, I wanted to update my kernel to 2.6.26-r3 today. But the ati-drivers version 8.501 won't compile. is there a good reason to use acient drivers? They're the latest stable on x86 -- and amd64 stable ones are even older. And stabilization issues are being fought over in, e.g., this bug: Use the non-stable ones. 8.552-r2. The stable ones in portage are too old.
[gentoo-user] Update the clock using internet servers: recommendations
Hi, In the past I've used htpdate to synchronize my computer's clock. But I would like to know what daemon would you recommend me. I'm searching for a lightweight option. Thanks in advance, Damian.
Re: [gentoo-user] Update the clock using internet servers: recommendations
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 2:01 PM, damian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, In the past I've used htpdate to synchronize my computer's clock. But I would like to know what daemon would you recommend me. I'm searching for a lightweight option. I use net-misc/ntp and it seems to work fine. Paul
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ati-drivers-8.501 does not compile with kernel gentoo-sources 2.6.26-r3
On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 21:14:40 +0200 Nikos Chantziaras [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Arttu V. wrote: On 11/24/08, Volker Armin Hemmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Montag 24 November 2008, Christian wrote: Hi all, I wanted to update my kernel to 2.6.26-r3 today. But the ati-drivers version 8.501 won't compile. is there a good reason to use acient drivers? They're the latest stable on x86 -- and amd64 stable ones are even older. Use the non-stable ones. 8.552-r2. The stable ones in portage are too old. If the stable ones are unstable due to age, file a bug specifically against this matter. Simply switching to ~ ebuilds is treating the symptom, not the problem. RobbieAB signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] dual booting 2 gentoo installations
I'm just having second doubts about how to dual boot 2 gentoo installations. Can I just edit grub from the original install and add the appropriate kernal line like: title=kernel-2.6.27-r3-0x31a-1280x1024 root (hd0,0) kernel /kernel-2.6.27-r3 root=/dev/hda5 vga=0x31A video=vesafb:mtrr,ywrap ## add this for new install title=kernel-2.6.27-r4-0x31a-1280x1024 root (hd1,1) kernel (hd1,1)/boot/kernel-2.6.27-r4 root=/dev/hdb2 vga=0x31A video=vesafb:mtrr,ywrap I didn't want to just try it in case there is something I've forgotten that is likely to get screwed up. I'm not asking if the addressing is right, just asking if in general this can be done with no problems.
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] filesystems
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Montag 24 November 2008, Dirk Heinrichs wrote: Am Montag, 24. November 2008 13:49:38 schrieb Volker Armin Hemmann: On Montag 24 November 2008, Dirk Heinrichs wrote: Am Montag, 24. November 2008 12:07:34 schrieb Dale: Maybe it will survive. I'm waiting on reiserfs4 to go stable. ;-) Well, with its inventor being imprisoned for the next 15 years or so, you'll have to be patient. I for one wait for btrfs. Edward is not imprisioned and doing a fine job. Even in face of such current sabotage attempts as by Morton/Piggin. Is he the inventor? AFAIK he's (one of) the last remaining developer(s). However, btrfs also seems to be the favourite of many kernel hackers as they want to have a ZFS competitor. he is not - but after the invention is implemented, the inventor is not needed anymore ;) btrfs looks very promising. I hope it will become a good fs. Fast for everybody, stable, efficient. We will see. Until then I will stay with r4+compression. It has been a while but I heard some people was working on it. I know about the inventors legal issues but that doesn't mean someone else can't pick up where he left off. I'm currently using reiserfs and love the heck out of it. I'm not real big on ext. I wouldn't use XFS unless it was all that was left. I tried it once a while back and found out it does not like power failures at all. Each time I had a power failure, I had to reinstall from scratch. Here's to hoping. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Masking for Educational Purposes only ?
On 11/24/08, b.n. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, why? If you want to test 2.2 instead, you can do it. It's not blocking you from anything. Yes, before the change the only thing blocking portage 2.2 was ~arch. Now it requires the bigger tool, Thor's Hammer of Unmasking +5 (+15 against portage devs and other undead? ;) ). He wants users to test *more* a given version, and that in turn will probably benefit us all. It's a psychological trick, maybe, but an absolutely innocent one. In fact, once you know that, you *should* jump the bandwagon and help test the previous version. Let's think for a moment about the logic and psychology underlying this situation. Why have these people upgraded to unstable portage 2.2 in the first place? Just to test it out? To show off ricing to the debian and ubuntu kids running their ancient stable stuff? No, it's the package manager for crying out loud! My guess is that most have packages explicitly requiring them to run the newer portage, packages like anything related to kde4. Will such people help with testing of 2.1 on their normal system? No. So how many new testers did this actually acquire? And how much work was wasted unmasking the packages and ranting on mailing lists? My guess is zero new testers and a lot of time wasted with hundreds or thousands of people whipping out their text editors and unmasking the package, then going off ranting on mailing lists, forums and irc channels. So, yes, I'd tend to agree with Mr McKinnon and Mr Jarausch on this issue. Something was bad in this execution of this need more testers -- regardless of the possible original good intentions. /semi-serious-rant -- Arttu V.
Re: [gentoo-user] dual booting 2 gentoo installations
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Harry Putnam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm just having second doubts about how to dual boot 2 gentoo installations. Can I just edit grub from the original install and add the appropriate kernal line like: title=kernel-2.6.27-r3-0x31a-1280x1024 root (hd0,0) kernel /kernel-2.6.27-r3 root=/dev/hda5 vga=0x31A video=vesafb:mtrr,ywrap ## add this for new install title=kernel-2.6.27-r4-0x31a-1280x1024 root (hd1,1) kernel (hd1,1)/boot/kernel-2.6.27-r4 root=/dev/hdb2 vga=0x31A video=vesafb:mtrr,ywrap I didn't want to just try it in case there is something I've forgotten that is likely to get screwed up. I'm not asking if the addressing is right, just asking if in general this can be done with no problems. I think it should be fine. As long as the separate installations don't interfere with each other in any way, the grub part looks sensible to me. It should be no different than guides about booting Linux alongside Windows etc.
Re: [gentoo-user] dual booting 2 gentoo installations
On Monday 24 November 2008 23:04:54 Harry Putnam wrote: I'm just having second doubts about how to dual boot 2 gentoo installations. Can I just edit grub from the original install and add the appropriate kernal line like: title=kernel-2.6.27-r3-0x31a-1280x1024 root (hd0,0) kernel /kernel-2.6.27-r3 root=/dev/hda5 vga=0x31A video=vesafb:mtrr,ywrap ## add this for new install title=kernel-2.6.27-r4-0x31a-1280x1024 root (hd1,1) kernel (hd1,1)/boot/kernel-2.6.27-r4 root=/dev/hdb2 vga=0x31A video=vesafb:mtrr,ywrap I didn't want to just try it in case there is something I've forgotten that is likely to get screwed up. I'm not asking if the addressing is right, just asking if in general this can be done with no problems. You have the right idea. Make sure your paths are correct when you install. I see you have different conventions on the two drives. Don't get confused :-) -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] filesystems
On Monday 24 November 2008 23:47:14 Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 04:41:14PM +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote: btrfs looks very promising. I hope it will become a good fs. Fast for everybody, stable, efficient. We will see. Until then I will stay with r4+compression. Well, it is under a restrictive license, so there is no chance that this filestem will become popular on many OS platforms. btrfs is under GPL... http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/dwmw2/btrfs-kernel-unstable.git;a =blob;f=COPYING;h=ca442d313d86dc67e0a2e5d584b465bd382cbf5c;hb=e0dfd0d76e9205 a54f04c07072814c0ab282 That's Joerg's point. GPL is restrictive when compared to other OSS licenses. As a filesystem it pretty much goes into a kernel. It's an original work, so can only go into other kernels under the GPL. Effectively the only one that can work for is Linux. Joerg isn't a Linux man, he codes for other platforms too. His viewpoint from what he's posted in the post is usually something like can this be used on other systems too? For btrfs the answer is unfortunately not really -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] filesystems
On Montag 24 November 2008, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 04:41:14PM +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote: btrfs looks very promising. I hope it will become a good fs. Fast for everybody, stable, efficient. We will see. Until then I will stay with r4+compression. Well, it is under a restrictive license, so there is no chance that this filestem will become popular on many OS platforms. btrfs is under GPL... you can stop right here. Jörg thinks that the GPL is restrictive and the CPPL much more 'freedomy'. Don't try to argue. It will result in some flamefest.
[gentoo-user] Re: dual booting 2 gentoo installations
Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Monday 24 November 2008 23:04:54 Harry Putnam wrote: I'm just having second doubts about how to dual boot 2 gentoo installations. Can I just edit grub from the original install and add the appropriate kernal line like: title=kernel-2.6.27-r3-0x31a-1280x1024 root (hd0,0) kernel /kernel-2.6.27-r3 root=/dev/hda5 vga=0x31A video=vesafb:mtrr,ywrap ## add this for new install title=kernel-2.6.27-r4-0x31a-1280x1024 root (hd1,1) kernel (hd1,1)/boot/kernel-2.6.27-r4 root=/dev/hdb2 vga=0x31A video=vesafb:mtrr,ywrap I didn't want to just try it in case there is something I've forgotten that is likely to get screwed up. I'm not asking if the addressing is right, just asking if in general this can be done with no problems. You have the right idea. Make sure your paths are correct when you install. I see you have different conventions on the two drives. Don't get confused :-) Thanks but I'm not sure what you mean by conventions... do you mean differences like that boot is not a separate partition? And the install is already largely done but still from a chrooted shell with the original Installation booted.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: dual booting 2 gentoo installations
It looks fine. You can also press e at the Grub prompt or boot to a live cd if it isn't right. -Chris On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 5:16 PM, Harry Putnam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Monday 24 November 2008 23:04:54 Harry Putnam wrote: I'm just having second doubts about how to dual boot 2 gentoo installations. Can I just edit grub from the original install and add the appropriate kernal line like: title=kernel-2.6.27-r3-0x31a-1280x1024 root (hd0,0) kernel /kernel-2.6.27-r3 root=/dev/hda5 vga=0x31A video=vesafb:mtrr,ywrap ## add this for new install title=kernel-2.6.27-r4-0x31a-1280x1024 root (hd1,1) kernel (hd1,1)/boot/kernel-2.6.27-r4 root=/dev/hdb2 vga=0x31A video=vesafb:mtrr,ywrap I didn't want to just try it in case there is something I've forgotten that is likely to get screwed up. I'm not asking if the addressing is right, just asking if in general this can be done with no problems. You have the right idea. Make sure your paths are correct when you install. I see you have different conventions on the two drives. Don't get confused :-) Thanks but I'm not sure what you mean by conventions... do you mean differences like that boot is not a separate partition? And the install is already largely done but still from a chrooted shell with the original Installation booted.
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] filesystems
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 04:41:14PM +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote: btrfs looks very promising. I hope it will become a good fs. Fast for everybody, stable, efficient. We will see. Until then I will stay with r4+compression. Well, it is under a restrictive license, so there is no chance that this filestem will become popular on many OS platforms. btrfs is under GPL... http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/dwmw2/btrfs-kernel-unstable.git;a=blob;f=COPYING;h=ca442d313d86dc67e0a2e5d584b465bd382cbf5c;hb=e0dfd0d76e9205a54f04c07072814c0ab282 -- Nicolas Sebrecht
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: dual booting 2 gentoo installations
On Tuesday 25 November 2008 00:16:26 Harry Putnam wrote: You have the right idea. Make sure your paths are correct when you install. I see you have different conventions on the two drives. Don't get confused :-) Thanks but I'm not sure what you mean by conventions... do you mean differences like that boot is not a separate partition? yes, that's the bit that caught my eye And the install is already largely done but still from a chrooted shell with the original Installation booted. You can put the various files and directories anywhere you want to within reason, so as long as the bootloader points to the right place, it will all just work. I take it you've already observed that you can also share portage and distfiles directories? Easiest is if they are on their own partitions but there are tricks that can get the same effect if not. How to do this is left as an exercise for the reader :-) with one tip for those who don't know: mount -o bind -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] filesystems
On Tuesday 25 November 2008 00:15:55 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Montag 24 November 2008, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 04:41:14PM +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote: btrfs looks very promising. I hope it will become a good fs. Fast for everybody, stable, efficient. We will see. Until then I will stay with r4+compression. Well, it is under a restrictive license, so there is no chance that this filestem will become popular on many OS platforms. btrfs is under GPL... you can stop right here. Jörg thinks that the GPL is restrictive and the CPPL much more 'freedomy'. Don't try to argue. It will result in some flamefest. I dunno about that. About the flamefest I mean. For the past 6 months Joerg has been a decent helpful member around here. He answers up every time his code is involved, doesn't rise to the bait with the occasional dumb user question and is mostly your typical geek with straight answers - with a bit of slack cut because he's not native English speaking. It wasn't always like that, but I think we should acknowledge things that change for the better. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Update the clock using internet servers: recommendations
Hi Damian, damian wrote on 24/11/08 21:01: In the past I've used htpdate to synchronize my computer's clock. But I would like to know what daemon would you recommend me. I'm searching for a lightweight option. ntp is a 'standard' ntp set-up. It needs some configuration work to get it running properly, though it works more or less 'out of the box'. openntpd is a simplified ntp. It is very easy to set up, but has less possibilities than the 'standard' ntp. Both packages are lightweight, with very low system overhead. Cheers, Dave
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] filesystems
On Montag 24 November 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Tuesday 25 November 2008 00:15:55 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Montag 24 November 2008, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 04:41:14PM +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote: btrfs looks very promising. I hope it will become a good fs. Fast for everybody, stable, efficient. We will see. Until then I will stay with r4+compression. Well, it is under a restrictive license, so there is no chance that this filestem will become popular on many OS platforms. btrfs is under GPL... you can stop right here. Jörg thinks that the GPL is restrictive and the CPPL much more 'freedomy'. Don't try to argue. It will result in some flamefest. I dunno about that. About the flamefest I mean. For the past 6 months Joerg has been a decent helpful member around here. He answers up every time his code is involved, doesn't rise to the bait with the occasional dumb user question and is mostly your typical geek with straight answers - with a bit of slack cut because he's not native English speaking. It wasn't always like that, but I think we should acknowledge things that change for the better. I am not saying that it is Jörg's fault. Just saying that arguing will end in a flame fest. I have seen him writing about the GPL and his more favorite licences before - nothing Nicolas or anybody else says will change his mind. And nothing he will say will change the mind of the GPL fans. So there will be some clash of egos and a big, fat flame war, each side convinced to speak the ultimate truth. No thanks.
[gentoo-user] Re: [OT] filesystems
On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 00:41:51 +0100 Volker Armin Hemmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Montag 24 November 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Tuesday 25 November 2008 00:15:55 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Montag 24 November 2008, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 04:41:14PM +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote: btrfs looks very promising. I hope it will become a good fs. Fast for everybody, stable, efficient. We will see. Until then I will stay with r4+compression. Well, it is under a restrictive license, so there is no chance that this filestem will become popular on many OS platforms. btrfs is under GPL... you can stop right here. Jörg thinks that the GPL is restrictive and the CPPL much more 'freedomy'. Don't try to argue. It will result in some flamefest. I dunno about that. About the flamefest I mean. For the past 6 months Joerg has been a decent helpful member around here. He answers up every time his code is involved, doesn't rise to the bait with the occasional dumb user question and is mostly your typical geek with straight answers - with a bit of slack cut because he's not native English speaking. It wasn't always like that, but I think we should acknowledge things that change for the better. I am not saying that it is Jörg's fault. Just saying that arguing will end in a flame fest. I have seen him writing about the GPL and his more favorite licences before - nothing Nicolas or anybody else says will change his mind. And nothing he will say will change the mind of the GPL fans. So there will be some clash of egos and a big, fat flame war, each side convinced to speak the ultimate truth. No thanks. Also, no one reading it would learn anything more than they could have by googling a little while. All the arguments about whether copyleft is more or less freedomish than non-copyleft are already out there for anyone who wants to read them. -- »Q« Kleeneness is next to Gödelness.
Re: [gentoo-user] Flash Busted
On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 8:45 AM, Liviu Andronic [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 5:02 AM, Beau Henderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As of late ( past couple of weeks ), I've been having trouble with flash. Nothing seems to work. Youtube, google video, lastfm doesn't have the little What version of flash are you using? Here net-www/netscape-flash-10.0.12.36-r1 (in Opera and SeaMonkey) black-outs everything. Didn't yet do so, but I'd suggest downgrading to 9.0.151.0. I'm currently on Gnash, but it is still well alpha. Liviu -- Do you know how to read? http://www.alienetworks.com/srtest.cfm Do you know how to write? http://garbl.home.comcast.net/~garbl/stylemanual/e.htm#e-mailhttp://garbl.home.comcast.net/%7Egarbl/stylemanual/e.htm#e-mail Thanks folks. I've tried everything suggested in both responses other than starting with a fresh profile which I've now done with success. It would still be nice to know what was specifically causing it but I'm a happy camper none the less. Thanks again. -- Beau Dylan Henderson
Re: [gentoo-user] Update the clock using internet servers: recommendations
Dave Jones wrote: Hi Damian, damian wrote on 24/11/08 21:01: In the past I've used htpdate to synchronize my computer's clock. But I would like to know what daemon would you recommend me. I'm searching for a lightweight option. ntp is a 'standard' ntp set-up. It needs some configuration work to get it running properly, though it works more or less 'out of the box'. openntpd is a simplified ntp. It is very easy to set up, but has less possibilities than the 'standard' ntp. Both packages are lightweight, with very low system overhead. Cheers, Dave I agree. I been using ntp here and it works fine. If you need help configuring it, let me know. Off list if needed, just put Gentoo in the subject line. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: dual booting 2 gentoo installations
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Tuesday 25 November 2008 00:16:26 Harry Putnam wrote: You have the right idea. Make sure your paths are correct when you install. I see you have different conventions on the two drives. Don't get confused :-) Thanks but I'm not sure what you mean by conventions... do you mean differences like that boot is not a separate partition? yes, that's the bit that caught my eye And the install is already largely done but still from a chrooted shell with the original Installation booted. You can put the various files and directories anywhere you want to within reason, so as long as the bootloader points to the right place, it will all just work. I take it you've already observed that you can also share portage and distfiles directories? Easiest is if they are on their own partitions but there are tricks that can get the same effect if not. How to do this is left as an exercise for the reader :-) with one tip for those who don't know: mount -o bind Could he not share /boot? He may want to have a different set of kernels for some reason but couldn't he even share those? I ask cause I shared when I dual booted Mandrake and Gentoo. Naturally Mandrake didn't last long. LOL It did have different kernels tho. Mandrake used modules like a mad man. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] filesystems
Am Montag, 24. November 2008 22:09:52 schrieb Dale: I wouldn't use XFS unless it was all that was left. I tried it once a while back and found out it does not like power failures at all. Each time I had a power failure, I had to reinstall from scratch. Hmm, I use it because of its resistance to power failures. When was it that you had such problems? Bye... Dirk
