Re: [gentoo-user] Problem with python-updater ?
Le 25/03/2011 21:41, Neil Bothwick a écrit : On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 17:17:41 +0100, Jacques Montier wrote: * Adding to list: dev-libs/boost:1.42 * check: manual [Added to list manually, see CHECKS in manpage for more information.] Do what it says. The man page explains manual checks and how to skip them, that's why the output tells you to read it. Hi everybody, Ok Neil, i read the python-updater manpage... So to skip compilation, and compilation... and so on, i had to run : #python-updater -dmanual -dpylibdir -dPYTHON_ABIS -dshared_linking -dstatic_linking * Starting Python Updater... * Main active version of Python: 2.7 * Active version of Python 2: 2.7 * Active version of Python 3: 3.1 * No packages need to be reinstalled. -- Jacques
[gentoo-user] emerge gone--can I use a tbz?
Something went wrong (I was away from the screen) with a emerge --ignore --depclean --ask ; revdep-rebuild -- --ignore-default-opts --ask I meant to answer n to the depclean since I wasn't ready to unmerge gentoo-sources, but perhaps I answered y (there were only three other--non critical packages mentioned). Anyway now emerge just returns immediately no matter what arguments it is given. I do have buildsyspkg so have many versions of portage as tbz files. But emerge won't install it (again, just returns). Can I do something analogous to an untar on one of the portage files? thanks, allan
Re: [gentoo-user] what is /var/log/wtmp ?
110325 Alex Schuster wrote: Philip Webb writes: In /var/log/ there is a file wtmp , which is 24 MB owned by utmp Can anyone explain what it's for whether it cb safely deleted ? It tracks logins, you can use the 'last' command to show its contents. If wou want to get the space, I suggest compressing the file, bzip2 -v /var/log/wtmp Yes! -- it fell from 24 MB to 444 KB ! -- most of it is repetitious. It's just started a new 'wtmp' after a reboot, good for another 4,5 yr . -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
[gentoo-user] Re: what is /var/log/wtmp ?
Philip Webb wrote: 110325 Alex Schuster wrote: Philip Webb writes: In /var/log/ there is a file wtmp , which is 24 MB owned by utmp Can anyone explain what it's for whether it cb safely deleted ? It tracks logins, you can use the 'last' command to show its contents. If wou want to get the space, I suggest compressing the file, bzip2 -v /var/log/wtmp Yes! -- it fell from 24 MB to 444 KB ! -- most of it is repetitious. It's just started a new 'wtmp' after a reboot, good for another 4,5 yr . Simply install logrotate. It delivers already a setup to clean it up once a month automatically. - Jörg
[gentoo-user] What is with emerge after update world ?
Hello, I try gentoo once again a few days ago and everything go OK until I install KDE. Then I see that I got the following symptom that something is wrong # eselect read 1 ! ! ! Error: Can't load module read exiting Then I install LibreOffice and OK, but eselect as above still not work properly. Then I sync tree portage and do: # emerge -a --update --deep --newuse world \ emerge --deepclean \ revdep-rebuild After this I saw, that many things was broken with LibreOffice and additionaly also Python was updated to 2.7 version, and now If I do: # emerge --sync I obtain nothing. If I do # emerge I obtain nothing. If I do # emerge sdfkhsdfhsdk I obtain nothing (I wrote some random text above). If I do # emerga -av python I obtain nothing. If I do # python-updater * Python 2 and Python 3 not installed If I do # whereis python python: /usr/bin/python /usr/bin/python3.1 /usr/bin/python2.7 /usr/lib/python2.6 /usr/lib/python3.1 /usr/lib/python2.7 /usr/lib64/python2.6 /usr/lib64/python3.1 /usr/lib64/python2.7 /usr/include/python2.6 /usr/include/python3.1 /usr/include/python2.7 /usr/share/man/man1/python.1.bz2 If I do, I see # ls -l /usr/bin/python* lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root14 Mar 22 14:34 /usr/bin/python - python-wrapper -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 217 Mar 22 14:34 /usr/bin/python-config -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1400 Mar 25 10:54 /usr/bin/python-config-2.7 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1177 Mar 22 14:25 /usr/bin/python-config-3.1 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 10328 Feb 24 08:45 /usr/bin/python-wrapper lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Mar 22 14:34 /usr/bin/python2 - python2.6 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 6104 Mar 25 10:55 /usr/bin/python2.7 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Mar 22 14:26 /usr/bin/python3 - python3.1 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 10272 Mar 22 14:26 /usr/bin/python3.1 # uname -a Linux laptop 2.6.36-gentoo-r5 #3 SMP PREEMPT Tue Mar 22 10:43:42 UTC 2011 x86_64 AMD Turion(tm) X2 Ultra Dual-Core Mobile ZM-82 AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux A, I see also that my Xorg work on one processor at 100%, the second is 0 % - why ? This was simple update whole system as described in handbook. Why this update go very wrong ? I do something wrong or the error is with management system in Gentoo ? What to do now? Why the key utility 'emerge' not working properly ? How it happen? Without 'emerge' I can not do nothing. I'm sorry if this is stupid questions, but I'm newbie in Gentoo, I try It after long pause (the first one was unsuccessful). But I want to learn. Can you help me? Or I should start fresh install ? Thank you, Andrzej
Re: [gentoo-user] What is with emerge after update world ?
On Saturday 26 March 2011 16:03:40 Andrzej Styczeń wrote: Hello, I try gentoo once again a few days ago and everything go OK until I install KDE. Then I see that I got the following symptom that something is wrong # eselect read 1 ! ! ! Error: Can't load module read exiting Then I install LibreOffice and OK, but eselect as above still not work properly. Then I sync tree portage and do: # emerge -a --update --deep --newuse world \ emerge --deepclean \ revdep-rebuild After this I saw, that many things was broken with LibreOffice and additionaly also Python was updated to 2.7 version, and now If I do: # emerge --sync I obtain nothing. If I do # emerge I obtain nothing. If I do # emerge sdfkhsdfhsdk I obtain nothing (I wrote some random text above). If I do # emerga -av python I obtain nothing. If I do # python-updater * Python 2 and Python 3 not installed If I do # whereis python python: /usr/bin/python /usr/bin/python3.1 /usr/bin/python2.7 /usr/lib/python2.6 /usr/lib/python3.1 /usr/lib/python2.7 /usr/lib64/python2.6 /usr/lib64/python3.1 /usr/lib64/python2.7 /usr/include/python2.6 /usr/include/python3.1 /usr/include/python2.7 /usr/share/man/man1/python.1.bz2 If I do, I see # ls -l /usr/bin/python* lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root14 Mar 22 14:34 /usr/bin/python - python-wrapper -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 217 Mar 22 14:34 /usr/bin/python-config -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1400 Mar 25 10:54 /usr/bin/python-config-2.7 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1177 Mar 22 14:25 /usr/bin/python-config-3.1 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 10328 Feb 24 08:45 /usr/bin/python-wrapper lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Mar 22 14:34 /usr/bin/python2 - python2.6 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 6104 Mar 25 10:55 /usr/bin/python2.7 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Mar 22 14:26 /usr/bin/python3 - python3.1 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 10272 Mar 22 14:26 /usr/bin/python3.1 # uname -a Linux laptop 2.6.36-gentoo-r5 #3 SMP PREEMPT Tue Mar 22 10:43:42 UTC 2011 x86_64 AMD Turion(tm) X2 Ultra Dual-Core Mobile ZM-82 AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux A, I see also that my Xorg work on one processor at 100%, the second is 0 % - why ? This was simple update whole system as described in handbook. Why this update go very wrong ? I do something wrong or the error is with management system in Gentoo ? What to do now? Why the key utility 'emerge' not working properly ? How it happen? Without 'emerge' I can not do nothing. I'm sorry if this is stupid questions, but I'm newbie in Gentoo, I try It after long pause (the first one was unsuccessful). But I want to learn. Can you help me? Or I should start fresh install ? What does eselect python list shows? -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] What is with emerge after update world ?
On Saturday 26 of March 2011 17:17:41 Mick wrote: What does eselect python list shows? The same as 'eselect read 1' # eselect list !!! Error: Can't load module list exiting If I wrote: # eselect Usage: eselect global options module name module options Global options: --brief Make output shorter --no-color,--no-colourDisable coloured output Built-in modules: help Display a help message usage Display a usage message version Display version information Extra modules: bashcomp Manage contributed bash-completion scripts binutils Manage installed versions of sys-devel/binutils blas Manage installed BLAS implementations boost Manage boost installations cblas Manage installed CBLAS implementations editorManage the EDITOR environment variable env Manage environment variables set in /etc/env.d/ esd Select esound daemon or wrapper fontconfigManage fontconfig /etc/fonts/conf.d/ symlinks kernelManage the /usr/src/linux symlink lapackManage installed LAPACK implementations mesa Manage the OpenGL driver architecture used by media-libs/mesa modules A module for querying modules. By default, it lists all available modules news Read Gentoo (GLEP 42) news items openglManage the OpenGL implementation used by your system pager Manage the PAGER environment variable profile Manage the /etc/make.profile symlink pythonManage Python symlinks rcManage /etc/init.d scripts in runlevels ruby Manage ruby symlinks visualManage the VISUAL environment variable
Re: [gentoo-user] What is with emerge after update world ?
On Saturday 26 of March 2011 17:45:47 Andrzej Styczeń wrote: On Saturday 26 of March 2011 17:17:41 Mick wrote: What does eselect python list shows? I'm very sorry for previous mail, I wrong read your question: # eselect python list Available Python interpreters: [1] python2.7 [2] python3.1
Re: [gentoo-user] What is with emerge after update world ?
2011/3/26 Andrzej Styczeń styczen_andr...@o2.pl: On Saturday 26 of March 2011 17:17:41 Mick wrote: What does eselect python list shows? The same as 'eselect read 1' # eselect list !!! Error: Can't load module list exiting So I suspect you were actually trying to get to eselect news read and then eselect news read 1 to read the first message? Hope this helps, Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] What is with emerge after update world ?
Am 26.03.2011 17:45, schrieb Andrzej Styczeń: On Saturday 26 of March 2011 17:17:41 Mick wrote: What does eselect python list shows? The same as 'eselect read 1' # eselect list !!! Error: Can't load module list exiting Thats because you have the syntax wrong. It is 'eselect python list' and 'eselect news read 1' Try it and look what it says. Greetings Sebastian Beßler signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] What is with emerge after update world ?
2011/3/26 Andrzej Styczeń styczen_andr...@o2.pl: On Saturday 26 of March 2011 17:45:47 Andrzej Styczeń wrote: On Saturday 26 of March 2011 17:17:41 Mick wrote: What does eselect python list shows? I'm very sorry for previous mail, I wrong read your question: # eselect python list Available Python interpreters: [1] python2.7 [2] python3.1 Ah, OK - python, not news. Anyway, always eselect then eselect something then eselect something something-to-do HTH, Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] What is with emerge after update world ?
Andrzej Styczeń wrote: On Saturday 26 of March 2011 17:45:47 Andrzej Styczeń wrote: On Saturday 26 of March 2011 17:17:41 Mick wrote: What does eselect python list shows? I'm very sorry for previous mail, I wrong read your question: # eselect python list Available Python interpreters: [1] python2.7 [2] python3.1 try: eselect python set 1 Then emerge should work. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] What is with emerge after update world ?
Am 26.03.2011 18:12, schrieb Andrzej Styczeń: On Saturday 26 of March 2011 17:45:47 Andrzej Styczeń wrote: On Saturday 26 of March 2011 17:17:41 Mick wrote: What does eselect python list shows? I'm very sorry for previous mail, I wrong read your question: # eselect python list Available Python interpreters: [1] python2.7 [2] python3.1 Then use 'eselect python set 1' to activate python 2.7 That should fix your problem Greetings Sebastian Beßler signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] What is with emerge after update world ?
On Saturday 26 of March 2011 18:16:20 Sebastian Beßler wrote: Thats because you have the syntax wrong. It is 'eselect python list' and 'eselect news read 1' Try it and look what it says. Thank you. My mistake. I should read more carefully. Greetings Sebastian Beßler Greetings, Andrzej
Re: [gentoo-user] the best filesystem for server: XFS or JFS (or?)
In linux.gentoo.user, you wrote: the best filesystem for you is the one you have tested and found best suits your needs. I agree with that part of what you said (which is why I've stuck with ext3 for so long), but the rest may have been a tad harsh. -- ...she kept arranging and rearranging the rabbit and kind of waving to it. I decided, this is the person I want to sit next to.
Re: [gentoo-user] What is with emerge after update world ?
On Saturday 26 of March 2011 18:21:30 Sebastian Beßler wrote: Available Python interpreters: [1] python2.7 [2] python3.1 Then use 'eselect python set 1' to activate python 2.7 That should fix your problem Greetings Sebastian Beßler Thank you, emrge now works. Greetings, Andrzej
Re: [gentoo-user] LVM (Was: the best filesystem for server: XFS or JFS (or?))
In linux.gentoo.user, you wrote: Bill Longman wrote: On 03/24/2011 11:17 AM, Dale wrote: kashani wrote: On 3/24/2011 10:19 AM, Dale wrote: I have never used LVM but when it messes up after a upgrade, as has happened to many others, see if you say the same thing. I hope your backups are good and they can restore. Dale Meh, boot a liveCD and fix it which took all of 15 minutes. I don't see that as a failing of LVM, but of Gentoo for lack of another culprit. You can only roll your OS forward in so many ways before you have to do a little offline plumbing. May as well complain that you had to shutdown your machine to put in more RAM. kashani I researched using LVM a good while back. The reason I didn't was what I posted. It is prone to problems that are difficult if not impossible to correct. I may not have data that is worth much but I don't want to loose it either way. People that have read these posts can't plead ignorance. Yet you, who have never used LVM *can* plead knowledge? Uhsomething's really wrong in this formula. Yep, I read about others having problems and loosing data. Dale :-) :-) You can read about others having problems and losing data with pretty much every bit of software ever coded. *Lots* of people are not particularly competent and write horroe stories or bad reviews without bothering to mention the errors they made which actually caused the problem. I see evidence of that on this very list daily. So IMO your method is a bit suspect. :) -- ...she kept arranging and rearranging the rabbit and kind of waving to it. I decided, this is the person I want to sit next to.
Re: [gentoo-user] LVM (Was: the best filesystem for server: XFS or JFS (or?))
Elaine C. Sharpe wrote: In linux.gentoo.user, you wrote: Yep, I read about others having problems and loosing data. Dale :-) :-) You can read about others having problems and losing data with pretty much every bit of software ever coded. *Lots* of people are not particularly competent and write horroe stories or bad reviews without bothering to mention the errors they made which actually caused the problem. I see evidence of that on this very list daily. So IMO your method is a bit suspect. :) The opposite can be said too. I seem to recall hal working for a lot of people but for me, it was a miserable failure and forced me into a hard reset. Just because something works for most people, doesn't mean it will for everyone either. If you lose data, it doesn't matter. LVM just adds one more layer of something to go wrong. Me, I don't need the extra risk of having a system that doesn't boot and a loss of data. I'm sure there are a lot of people that see it the way I do too. They just don't need the extra risk. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] LVM (Was: the best filesystem for server: XFS or JFS (or?))
In linux.gentoo.user, you wrote: Elaine C. Sharpe wrote: In linux.gentoo.user, you wrote: Yep, I read about others having problems and loosing data. Dale :-) :-) You can read about others having problems and losing data with pretty much every bit of software ever coded. *Lots* of people are not particularly competent and write horroe stories or bad reviews without bothering to mention the errors they made which actually caused the problem. I see evidence of that on this very list daily. So IMO your method is a bit suspect. :) The opposite can be said too. I seem to recall hal working for a lot of people but for me, it was a miserable failure and forced me into a hard reset. So, if your method doesn't really work very well but you invert it and see that then it doesn't work well either that validates the original choice? :) Just because something works for most people, doesn't mean it will for everyone either. If you lose data, it doesn't matter. LVM just adds one more layer of something to go wrong. Me, I don't need the extra risk of having a system that doesn't boot and a loss of data. I'm sure there are a lot of people that see it the way I do too. They just don't need the extra risk. Using the least number of layers of abstraction you can get away with is a perfectly valid criteria. What I was pointing out was that informal polls of users with a sad story to tell is not a very effective way to conduct research. People say all kinds of things that just aren't true. -- ...she kept arranging and rearranging the rabbit and kind of waving to it. I decided, this is the person I want to sit next to.
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge gone--can I use a tbz?
On Saturday 26 Mar 2011 06:54:29 PM Allan Gottlieb wrote: I do have buildsyspkg so have many versions of portage as tbz files. But emerge won't install it (again, just returns). Can I do something analogous to an untar on one of the portage files? do you have qmerge installed? qmerge -K package name -- - Yohan Pereira A man can do as he will, but not will as he will - Schopenhauer
Re: [gentoo-user] python-2.7 python-updater
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 20:09:50 +0100, Stéphane Guedon wrote: I think wicd rely on python 2.6 currently. This is my setup on my laptop ! (trying other version break networking with wicd). Wicd works fine with 2.7. There was a problem when 2,7 was first released, but that was fixed in a Wicd update. -- Neil Bothwick I've been through this 2.7 update process on 4 machines now. It seems on all of my machines the python-updater thing is pretty much always broken with respect to: openoffice-bin boost emul-linux-x86-baselibs No matter how many times I rerun things it just wants to keep rebuilding them. What's weird is that no two machine see exactly the same. Some only fail with one of those packages, others fail with 2 or 3. Rerunning phython-updater, or lafilefixer, or revdep-rebuild or removing them completely and letting emerge -DuN @world reinstall them changes nothing. They just go on failing the same way. Waste of time so far... - Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] python-2.7 python-updater
On Saturday 26 March 2011 19:10:12 Mark Knecht wrote: On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 20:09:50 +0100, Stéphane Guedon wrote: I think wicd rely on python 2.6 currently. This is my setup on my laptop ! (trying other version break networking with wicd). Wicd works fine with 2.7. There was a problem when 2,7 was first released, but that was fixed in a Wicd update. -- Neil Bothwick I've been through this 2.7 update process on 4 machines now. It seems on all of my machines the python-updater thing is pretty much always broken with respect to: openoffice-bin boost emul-linux-x86-baselibs No matter how many times I rerun things it just wants to keep rebuilding them. What's weird is that no two machine see exactly the same. Some only fail with one of those packages, others fail with 2 or 3. Rerunning phython-updater, or lafilefixer, or revdep-rebuild or removing them completely and letting emerge -DuN @world reinstall them changes nothing. They just go on failing the same way. Waste of time so far... If you machines are running stable arch there was also this that came up today: revdep-rebuild -v --library 'libmpfr.so.1' -- --ask Check your elog in case there are some more packages that need revdep-rebuild. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge gone--can I use a tbz?
On Sat, Mar 26 2011, Yohan Pereira wrote: On Saturday 26 Mar 2011 06:54:29 PM Allan Gottlieb wrote: I do have buildsyspkg so have many versions of portage as tbz files. But emerge won't install it (again, just returns). Can I do something analogous to an untar on one of the portage files? do you have qmerge installed? qmerge -K package name No and eix qmerge doesn't show it. However, I was apparently bitten by the same python problem as in the next thread. I have done eselect python set 1 and now revdep-rebuild is reinstalling 25 packages. allan
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Compositing too slow in KDE
On Wednesday 23 March 2011 13:34:27 Bill Longman wrote: On 03/22/2011 11:57 PM, Mick wrote: My kernel is 2.6.36-r5 gentoo-sources running on the AMD Athlon II X4 machine: $ zgrep RADEON /proc/config.gz CONFIG_DRM_RADEON=m CONFIG_DRM_RADEON_KMS=y CONFIG_FB_RADEON=y CONFIG_FB_RADEON_I2C=y CONFIG_FB_RADEON_BACKLIGHT=y # CONFIG_FB_RADEON_DEBUG is not set Wonderfully wobbly windows once again, without widespread (and unwelcomed) untimely terminations. How can you use x11-drivers/radeon-ucode (with KMS) *and* CONFIG_FB_RADEON=y ? On two machines of mine I end up with a blank screen if I add a framebuffer driver. I don't know, Mick. I have FB_MODE_HELPERS=y? or maybe because I have CONFIG_DRM_KMS_HELPER=m CONFIG_DRM_TTM=m these won't kick in until the module loads. Also, I use genkernel to build all the init stuff for me. I also have MTRR sanitizer turned on. Here are the other kernel settings I have, again, on the Athlon II X4 system, that could be relevant: CONFIG_VIDEO_OUTPUT_CONTROL=m CONFIG_FB=y CONFIG_FIRMWARE_EDID=y CONFIG_FB_DDC=y CONFIG_FB_BOOT_VESA_SUPPORT=y CONFIG_FB_CFB_FILLRECT=y CONFIG_FB_CFB_COPYAREA=y CONFIG_FB_CFB_IMAGEBLIT=y Now last night on my Phenom 940, I was unable to get KDE to remain stable unless I turned on KMS. Now that system, too, is stable as far as the half hour of testing I performed was able to show. Just to let you know that the latest mesa-7.10.1 fixed things for me nicely. Now compositing works in KDE and E17 gives me no artifacts with OpenGL acceleration. :) -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] python-2.7 python-updater
On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 12:22 PM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday 26 March 2011 19:10:12 Mark Knecht wrote: On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 20:09:50 +0100, Stéphane Guedon wrote: I think wicd rely on python 2.6 currently. This is my setup on my laptop ! (trying other version break networking with wicd). Wicd works fine with 2.7. There was a problem when 2,7 was first released, but that was fixed in a Wicd update. -- Neil Bothwick I've been through this 2.7 update process on 4 machines now. It seems on all of my machines the python-updater thing is pretty much always broken with respect to: openoffice-bin boost emul-linux-x86-baselibs No matter how many times I rerun things it just wants to keep rebuilding them. What's weird is that no two machine see exactly the same. Some only fail with one of those packages, others fail with 2 or 3. Rerunning phython-updater, or lafilefixer, or revdep-rebuild or removing them completely and letting emerge -DuN @world reinstall them changes nothing. They just go on failing the same way. Waste of time so far... If you machines are running stable arch there was also this that came up today: revdep-rebuild -v --library 'libmpfr.so.1' -- --ask Check your elog in case there are some more packages that need revdep-rebuild. -- Regards, Mick I had nothing linked to libmpfr.so.1 so that wasn't the root cause/ In my case it seems to be driven by bugs like this: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=360425 Seems the only thing to do it just wait for devs to fix it. (And wonder why something like python-2.7 gets released as stable with stuff like this hanging about) Cheers, Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge gone--can I use a tbz?
On Sunday 27 Mar 2011 12:57:23 AM Allan Gottlieb wrote: On Sat, Mar 26 2011, Yohan Pereira wrote: On Saturday 26 Mar 2011 06:54:29 PM Allan Gottlieb wrote: I do have buildsyspkg so have many versions of portage as tbz files. But emerge won't install it (again, just returns). Can I do something analogous to an untar on one of the portage files? do you have qmerge installed? qmerge -K package name No and eix qmerge doesn't show it. However, I was apparently bitten by the same python problem as in the next thread. I have done eselect python set 1 and now revdep-rebuild is reinstalling 25 packages. allan yea i thought as much after reading that thread. Anyways qmerge is part of portage-utils useful for mergeing bin pkgs when portage starts acting up. -- - Yohan Pereira A man can do as he will, but not will as he will - Schopenhauer
Re: [gentoo-user] What is with emerge after update world ?
* Andrzej Stycze? styczen_andr...@o2.pl [110326 11:42]: Hello, Hello Andrzej, I try gentoo once again a few days ago and everything go OK until I install KDE. Then I see that I got the following symptom that something is wrong # eselect read 1 ! ! ! Error: Can't load module read exiting I think you might mean eselect news read 1 Then I install LibreOffice and OK, but eselect as above still not work properly. Then I sync tree portage and do: # emerge -a --update --deep --newuse world \ emerge --deepclean \ revdep-rebuild After this I saw, that many things was broken with LibreOffice and additionaly also Python was updated to 2.7 version, and now If I do: Try eselect python list and if there's no '*' try eselect python 1 (if python 2.7 is number 1) Then try using emerge again. Todd
Re: [gentoo-user] python-2.7 python-updater
On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: I've been through this 2.7 update process on 4 machines now. It seems on all of my machines the python-updater thing is pretty much always broken with respect to: openoffice-bin boost emul-linux-x86-baselibs No matter how many times I rerun things it just wants to keep rebuilding them. What's weird is that no two machine see exactly the same. Some only fail with one of those packages, others fail with 2 or 3. Rerunning phython-updater, or lafilefixer, or revdep-rebuild or removing them completely and letting emerge -DuN @world reinstall them changes nothing. They just go on failing the same way. Waste of time so far... If you machines are running stable arch there was also this that came up today: revdep-rebuild -v --library 'libmpfr.so.1' -- --ask Check your elog in case there are some more packages that need revdep-rebuild. -- Regards, Mick I had nothing linked to libmpfr.so.1 so that wasn't the root cause/ In my case it seems to be driven by bugs like this: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=360425 Seems the only thing to do it just wait for devs to fix it. (And wonder why something like python-2.7 gets released as stable with stuff like this hanging about) Cheers, Mark The libmpfr change bit me on one of my amd64 machines. I did the revdep-rebuild on the library and then gcc was broken. I recompiled everything but still sandbox and gcc won't compile. -- Bill Longman
Re: [gentoo-user] python-2.7 python-updater
On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 1:36 PM, Bill Longman bill.long...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP I had nothing linked to libmpfr.so.1 so that wasn't the root cause/ In my case it seems to be driven by bugs like this: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=360425 Seems the only thing to do it just wait for devs to fix it. (And wonder why something like python-2.7 gets released as stable with stuff like this hanging about) Cheers, Mark The libmpfr change bit me on one of my amd64 machines. I did the revdep-rebuild on the library and then gcc was broken. I recompiled everything but still sandbox and gcc won't compile. -- Bill Longman Bill, I got bit by the sandbox/gcc problem yesterday. In my case, on a machine with a KDE profile after reviewing Gentoo bug reports, I did the following: eselect profile set 1 cd /lib ln -s ../lib32/ld-linux.so.2 . emerge sandbox emerge --sync emerge glibc emerge @preserved-rebuild eselect profile set 4 emerge -e -j9 @system and an hour later I was back to functional without those messages about not being able to build C programs, etc. I don't suggest ANY of that is understood by the likes of me but it did seem to solve the problem which was (apparently) wrapped around some sort of missing link which allows 64-bit machines to run 32-bit programs. (Or that's about all I could get out of what I read) Hope this helps, and hoping someone more knowledgable than I chimes in with what I should have/could have done to do this more easily. Cheers, Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge gone--can I use a tbz?
On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 09:24:29 -0400, Allan Gottlieb wrote: I do have buildsyspkg so have many versions of portage as tbz files. But emerge won't install it (again, just returns). Can I do something analogous to an untar on one of the portage files? tar xf package-tbz -C / Ignore the warnings about metadata, but re-emerge the package as soon as you can to stop portage getting confused. -- Neil Bothwick Remember that the Titanic was built by experts, and the Ark by a newbie signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge gone--can I use a tbz?
On Sat, Mar 26 2011, Yohan Pereira wrote: On Sunday 27 Mar 2011 12:57:23 AM Allan Gottlieb wrote: On Sat, Mar 26 2011, Yohan Pereira wrote: On Saturday 26 Mar 2011 06:54:29 PM Allan Gottlieb wrote: I do have buildsyspkg so have many versions of portage as tbz files. But emerge won't install it (again, just returns). Can I do something analogous to an untar on one of the portage files? do you have qmerge installed? qmerge -K package name No and eix qmerge doesn't show it. However, I was apparently bitten by the same python problem as in the next thread. I have done eselect python set 1 and now revdep-rebuild is reinstalling 25 packages. allan yea i thought as much after reading that thread. Anyways qmerge is part of portage-utils useful for mergeing bin pkgs when portage starts acting up. I see. I though qmerge was its own package. I do indeed have portage-utils and hence qmerge. But it looks as though *this time* I won't need it. thanks for the help. allan
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge gone--can I use a tbz?
On Sat, Mar 26 2011, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 09:24:29 -0400, Allan Gottlieb wrote: I do have buildsyspkg so have many versions of portage as tbz files. But emerge won't install it (again, just returns). Can I do something analogous to an untar on one of the portage files? tar xf package-tbz -C / Ignore the warnings about metadata, but re-emerge the package as soon as you can to stop portage getting confused. That is what I hoped. It does now seem that I was bitten by the python update. Having executed eselect python set 1 has help considerably. When the current update world completes, I will try python-updater and hopefully all will be well. But thanks for the tip it is nice to know that I do have two recourses (the untar and qmerge) in case emerge dies. thank you all again. allan
Re: [gentoo-user] python-2.7 python-updater
On Saturday 26 March 2011 20:53:50 Mark Knecht wrote: On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 1:36 PM, Bill Longman bill.long...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP I had nothing linked to libmpfr.so.1 so that wasn't the root cause/ In my case it seems to be driven by bugs like this: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=360425 Seems the only thing to do it just wait for devs to fix it. (And wonder why something like python-2.7 gets released as stable with stuff like this hanging about) Cheers, Mark The libmpfr change bit me on one of my amd64 machines. I did the revdep-rebuild on the library and then gcc was broken. I recompiled everything but still sandbox and gcc won't compile. -- Bill Longman Bill, I got bit by the sandbox/gcc problem yesterday. In my case, on a machine with a KDE profile after reviewing Gentoo bug reports, I did the following: eselect profile set 1 cd /lib ln -s ../lib32/ld-linux.so.2 . emerge sandbox emerge --sync emerge glibc emerge @preserved-rebuild eselect profile set 4 emerge -e -j9 @system and an hour later I was back to functional without those messages about not being able to build C programs, etc. I don't suggest ANY of that is understood by the likes of me but it did seem to solve the problem which was (apparently) wrapped around some sort of missing link which allows 64-bit machines to run 32-bit programs. (Or that's about all I could get out of what I read) Hope this helps, and hoping someone more knowledgable than I chimes in with what I should have/could have done to do this more easily. Cheers, Mark I had a problem with it too (gcc would not compile) but that was because I was trying to emerge everything at the same time. I slowed down, finished with the libmpfr revdep-rebuild and then run python updater, switched to python-2.7 and run revdep-rebuild again. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] LVM (Was: the best filesystem for server: XFS or JFS (or?))
On Saturday 26 March 2011 15:06:31 Elaine C. Sharpe wrote: Just because something works for most people, doesn't mean it will for everyone either. If you lose data, it doesn't matter. LVM just adds one more layer of something to go wrong. Me, I don't need the extra risk of having a system that doesn't boot and a loss of data. I'm sure there are a lot of people that see it the way I do too. They just don't need the extra risk. Using the least number of layers of abstraction you can get away with is a perfectly valid criteria. What I was pointing out was that informal polls of users with a sad story to tell is not a very effective way to conduct research. People say all kinds of things that just aren't true. There's an elephant in this room. The number of actual layers is greater than just LVM plus FS. It's whatever the BIOS (or a reasonable substitute is doing), plus the drive firmware, kernel driver(s) - there's more than one of those - plus any RAID in use (hardware or software) and finally the file system. That's a lot of layers, a lot of code, a lot of opportunity for people to reveal the extent of their lack of knowledge. I've often heard it said that code like ZFS and brtfs eliminates several of these layers therefore it's technically a better option. That may be true, but let me just point out that whatever LVM+fs+other_stuff is doing as separate chunks of code also gets done by ZFS etc. You just don't see it, and just because it's abstracted away doesn't mean it's not there. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] LVM (Was: the best filesystem for server: XFS or JFS (or?))
On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 13:17:41 -0500, Dale wrote: Just because something works for most people, doesn't mean it will for everyone either. If you lose data, it doesn't matter. LVM just adds one more layer of something to go wrong. Me, I don't need the extra risk of having a system that doesn't boot and a loss of data. I'm sure there are a lot of people that see it the way I do too. They just don't need the extra risk. On the other hand, the OP needed a feature that LVM provides very well. If you don't need anything a product, be it software or a new fridge, provides, why bother with it? But that's not the case here. See random sig for further comment :-O -- Neil Bothwick Good Enough is the death knell of progress. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] python-2.7 python-updater
On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 12:10:12 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: I've been through this 2.7 update process on 4 machines now. It seems on all of my machines the python-updater thing is pretty much always broken with respect to: openoffice-bin boost emul-linux-x86-baselibs Aren't those manually added to the list by python-updater? So you need to use -dmanual to prevent further rebuilding of them. -- Neil Bothwick There are 10 types of people in this world, those who understand binary notation and those who don't. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] python-2.7 python-updater
On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 12:10:12 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: I've been through this 2.7 update process on 4 machines now. It seems on all of my machines the python-updater thing is pretty much always broken with respect to: openoffice-bin boost emul-linux-x86-baselibs Aren't those manually added to the list by python-updater? So you need to use -dmanual to prevent further rebuilding of them. -- Neil Bothwick I guess I'm not clear on the use of 'manual' here. They are automatically added. If they are correctly rebuilt then they shouldn't need to be added a second time, correct? However they are. (Over and over...) Basically, it is my understanding that if everything is correctly updated then on the second pass it should say there's nothing to do, right? I mean, I can add anything to a list of things not to build, but I don't know why I'd add them vs just letting it run and telling me it's doing them a 2nd/3rd time and feeling the job must be done. I assume there is stuff in these packages that is somehow hard linked to python-2.6 libraries or something and one of these days that will get fixed? - Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] LVM (Was: the best filesystem for server: XFS or JFS (or?))
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Saturday 26 March 2011 15:06:31 Elaine C. Sharpe wrote: Just because something works for most people, doesn't mean it will for everyone either. If you lose data, it doesn't matter. LVM just adds one more layer of something to go wrong. Me, I don't need the extra risk of having a system that doesn't boot and a loss of data. I'm sure there are a lot of people that see it the way I do too. They just don't need the extra risk. Using the least number of layers of abstraction you can get away with is a perfectly valid criteria. What I was pointing out was that informal polls of users with a sad story to tell is not a very effective way to conduct research. People say all kinds of things that just aren't true. There's an elephant in this room. The number of actual layers is greater than just LVM plus FS. It's whatever the BIOS (or a reasonable substitute is doing), plus the drive firmware, kernel driver(s) - there's more than one of those - plus any RAID in use (hardware or software) and finally the file system. That's a lot of layers, a lot of code, a lot of opportunity for people to reveal the extent of their lack of knowledge. I've often heard it said that code like ZFS and brtfs eliminates several of these layers therefore it's technically a better option. That may be true, but let me just point out that whatever LVM+fs+other_stuff is doing as separate chunks of code also gets done by ZFS etc. You just don't see it, and just because it's abstracted away doesn't mean it's not there. I'll add this. Alan if I recall correctly runs a lot of systems. He has a boatload of experience using all sorts of software/hardware. Me, I don't. For the longest, I had one system and that was it. If I upgrade my kernel, LVM, or some package that LVM depends on and I can't boot, I'm screwed. If I can't boot, I can't google anything to find out how to fix it. I also don't know enough about LVM to fix it myself. Since there is so many layers of things that can already go wrong on a system, adding one more layer that can be complicated only makes a problem grow. I'm sure Alan and many others could go out and buy or build a new system and put LVM on it and fix about any problem that comes along. Thing is, there are others that can't. Add to this that when I was thinking about using it, I read where a lot of people, for whatever reason, couldn't get it back working again and lost data. For me, I don't care if it was LVM itself, the kernel or some combination of other things, if I can't boot or lose data, the result is the same. I can fix a kernel problem, a broken package but if LVM fails, I'm stuck. That said, I now have a second rig. I may at some point use LVM because I can always go to the other room and use my old rig to get help. I already have a 750Gb drive that is about full of pictures, I got a camera and get a little happy at times, and videos I have downloaded, everything from TV series to stuff off youtube. I may buy another large drive and use LVM or something to give me more room since I really don't want to have to break up my filing system across two separate drives. I won't consider putting the booting part of my OS on LVM tho. Of course, I did see a 3Tb drive on sale the other day at newegg. o_O That would last a while. ;-) Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] LVM (Was: the best filesystem for server: XFS or JFS (or?))
On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: On Saturday 26 March 2011 15:06:31 Elaine C. Sharpe wrote: Just because something works for most people, doesn't mean it will for everyone either. If you lose data, it doesn't matter. LVM just adds one more layer of something to go wrong. Me, I don't need the extra risk of having a system that doesn't boot and a loss of data. I'm sure there are a lot of people that see it the way I do too. They just don't need the extra risk. Using the least number of layers of abstraction you can get away with is a perfectly valid criteria. What I was pointing out was that informal polls of users with a sad story to tell is not a very effective way to conduct research. People say all kinds of things that just aren't true. There's an elephant in this room. The number of actual layers is greater than just LVM plus FS. It's whatever the BIOS (or a reasonable substitute is doing), plus the drive firmware, kernel driver(s) - there's more than one of those - plus any RAID in use (hardware or software) and finally the file system. That's a lot of layers, a lot of code, a lot of opportunity for people to reveal the extent of their lack of knowledge. I've often heard it said that code like ZFS and brtfs eliminates several of these layers therefore it's technically a better option. That may be true, but let me just point out that whatever LVM+fs+other_stuff is doing as separate chunks of code also gets done by ZFS etc. You just don't see it, and just because it's abstracted away doesn't mean it's not there. I'll add this. Alan if I recall correctly runs a lot of systems. He has a boatload of experience using all sorts of software/hardware. Me, I don't. For the longest, I had one system and that was it. If I upgrade my kernel, LVM, or some package that LVM depends on and I can't boot, I'm screwed. If I can't boot, I can't google anything to find out how to fix it. I also don't know enough about LVM to fix it myself. Since there is so many layers of things that can already go wrong on a system, adding one more layer that can be complicated only makes a problem grow. I'm sure Alan and many others could go out and buy or build a new system and put LVM on it and fix about any problem that comes along. Thing is, there are others that can't. Add to this that when I was thinking about using it, I read where a lot of people, for whatever reason, couldn't get it back working again and lost data. For me, I don't care if it was LVM itself, the kernel or some combination of other things, if I can't boot or lose data, the result is the same. I can fix a kernel problem, a broken package but if LVM fails, I'm stuck. That said, I now have a second rig. I may at some point use LVM because I can always go to the other room and use my old rig to get help. I already have a 750Gb drive that is about full of pictures, I got a camera and get a little happy at times, and videos I have downloaded, everything from TV series to stuff off youtube. I may buy another large drive and use LVM or something to give me more room since I really don't want to have to break up my filing system across two separate drives. I won't consider putting the booting part of my OS on LVM tho. Of course, I did see a 3Tb drive on sale the other day at newegg. o_O That would last a while. ;-) Dale :-) :-) Dale, I understand your position and concerns. While I have a number of systems, I have little time or patience for dealing with a lot of this stuff and LVM has been one of them. One thing I'm considering to try out LVM is a second Gentoo installation on an already running system. It will either be a 50GB partition of its own, or a Virtualbox VM. I'd do the normal Gentoo install for LVM, figure out how it works, etc., and then decide if I want to use it in the future. After all, as Neil said, if something offers features we don't feel we need then why buy it? - Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] python-2.7 python-updater
I guess I'm not clear on the use of 'manual' here. They are automatically added. If they are correctly rebuilt then they shouldn't need to be added a second time, correct? However they are. (Over and over...) Basically, it is my understanding that if everything is correctly updated then on the second pass it should say there's nothing to do, right? No I mean, I can add anything to a list of things not to build, but I don't know why I'd add them vs just letting it run and telling me it's doing them a 2nd/3rd time and feeling the job must be done. I assume there is stuff in these packages that is somehow hard linked to python-2.6 libraries or something and one of these days that will get fixed? - Mark RTFM :) manual python-updater has a list of packages that are known to break by Python upgrades but can't be determined by methods specified above. This check can be disabled if you're sure you've rebuilt the package once and it's OK now. Enabled by default.
[gentoo-user] OT: SEO
Hi list, I really don't know where to go to find out this information so I am hoping that someone here can point me in the right direction. I worry that most information out there on this subject is somewhat...suspicious in nature and I'm looking for a reliable source to answer some questions. I have hosted, developed or designed many websites over the years but this is the first time I have had to market it myself. I have a few questions about listing it with search engines (well...the search engine I guess). Grateful if someone could suggest a resource for this. Many thanks Matt pgpXvVlyrtrzz.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] LVM (Was: the best filesystem for server: XFS or JFS (or?))
On Saturday 26 March 2011 17:20:48 Dale wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: On Saturday 26 March 2011 15:06:31 Elaine C. Sharpe wrote: Just because something works for most people, doesn't mean it will for everyone either. If you lose data, it doesn't matter. LVM just adds one more layer of something to go wrong. Me, I don't need the extra risk of having a system that doesn't boot and a loss of data. I'm sure there are a lot of people that see it the way I do too. They just don't need the extra risk. Using the least number of layers of abstraction you can get away with is a perfectly valid criteria. What I was pointing out was that informal polls of users with a sad story to tell is not a very effective way to conduct research. People say all kinds of things that just aren't true. There's an elephant in this room. The number of actual layers is greater than just LVM plus FS. It's whatever the BIOS (or a reasonable substitute is doing), plus the drive firmware, kernel driver(s) - there's more than one of those - plus any RAID in use (hardware or software) and finally the file system. That's a lot of layers, a lot of code, a lot of opportunity for people to reveal the extent of their lack of knowledge. I've often heard it said that code like ZFS and brtfs eliminates several of these layers therefore it's technically a better option. That may be true, but let me just point out that whatever LVM+fs+other_stuff is doing as separate chunks of code also gets done by ZFS etc. You just don't see it, and just because it's abstracted away doesn't mean it's not there. I'll add this. Alan if I recall correctly runs a lot of systems. He has a boatload of experience using all sorts of software/hardware. Me, I don't. For the longest, I had one system and that was it. If I upgrade my kernel, LVM, or some package that LVM depends on and I can't boot, I'm screwed. If I can't boot, I can't google anything to find out how to fix it. I also don't know enough about LVM to fix it myself. Since there is so many layers of things that can already go wrong on a system, adding one more layer that can be complicated only makes a problem grow. Yeah, I have a boatload of stuff. Also a boatload of project managers and sales people but that's another story. All I'm saying is that being put off a particular package due to having read something somewhere that it might be broken for somebody sometime makes no sense. There are heaps of other packages you use right now that fall in exactly the same category - critical stuff that can make a system unbootable. But you use them. Heck, you even used XFS if memory serves, and that was brave indeed. Far, far braver than using LVM with a much higher risk - and that's from features, not bugs. If fear of not being able to recover from a problem that is not likely to hit you is the driving factor, then you might as well sell the pcs and go onto to doing something else. But if I were you I wouldn't sell myself so short, we've both been around here for many a year now and you've yet to suffer a catastrophic unrecoverable failure, right? I read your posts, I know many pretenders to the title of sysadmin that would just reinstall when faced with some of the now routine stuff you've dealt with. Like emerge won't work after a python update - wanna bet money on the percentage of people that would floor? :-) I'm sure Alan and many others could go out and buy or build a new system and put LVM on it and fix about any problem that comes along. Thing is, there are others that can't. Add to this that when I was thinking about using it, I read where a lot of people, for whatever reason, couldn't get it back working again and lost data. For me, I don't care if it was LVM itself, the kernel or some combination of other things, if I can't boot or lose data, the result is the same. I can fix a kernel problem, a broken package but if LVM fails, I'm stuck. That said, I now have a second rig. I may at some point use LVM because I can always go to the other room and use my old rig to get help. I already have a 750Gb drive that is about full of pictures, I got a camera and get a little happy at times, and videos I have downloaded, everything from TV series to stuff off youtube. I may buy another large drive and use LVM or something to give me more room since I really don't want to have to break up my filing system across two separate drives. I won't consider putting the booting part of my OS on LVM tho. Of course, I did see a 3Tb drive on sale the other day at newegg. o_O That would last a while. ;-) Dale :-) :-) -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] LVM (Was: the best filesystem for server: XFS or JFS (or?))
On Saturday 26 March 2011 15:36:19 Mark Knecht wrote: Dale, I understand your position and concerns. While I have a number of systems, I have little time or patience for dealing with a lot of this stuff and LVM has been one of them. One thing I'm considering to try out LVM is a second Gentoo installation on an already running system. It will either be a 50GB partition of its own, or a Virtualbox VM. I'd do the normal Gentoo install for LVM, figure out how it works, etc., and then decide if I want to use it in the future. Well I can help with that, or at least provide some tips. Delivering Red Hat's training courses exposes you to all the weird and wonderful ways people misunderstand LVM and the even weirder ways gnome tools present the subject... Logically, LVM sits between your physical disks (or raid arrays if you use that) and the filesystem. All it is is a way to manipulate these things called block devices in ways that you normally can't do without LVM. Like if you have 4 partitions on a disk and want to make the third one bigger. Using just fdisk, you can't do that without making backups and restoring. Or creating a filesystem larger than any one disk. So LVM takes a bunch of disks or arrays and lets you combine them in ways you want them (not ways the hardware forces you to have them). And that's all it does - forget all the nonsense in the man pages about aligning stripes to make mirrors - that just confuses people and makes them think it's some fancy raid. You could argue that LVM exposes too much complexity by letting you see the physical volumes (pv), volume groups (vg) and logical volumes (lv), and I won't argue with that. It's a trade between flexibility and complexity. I'm happy with it, others might not be. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] python-2.7 python-updater
On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 14:33:14 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: Aren't those manually added to the list by python-updater? So you need to use -dmanual to prevent further rebuilding of them. I guess I'm not clear on the use of 'manual' here. It's explained in the manual page (sorry :) Manual means manually added to the list by python-updater, rather than using any sort of detection. They are automatically added. If they are correctly rebuilt then they shouldn't need to be added a second time, correct? However they are. (Over and over...) Basically, it is my understanding that if everything is correctly updated then on the second pass it should say there's nothing to do, right? If it can determine that that's the case, yes. Packages are added manually because python-updater cannot tell for sure whether they should be rebuilt this time. That's certainly true for ooo-bin and boost, lnd prevented by -dmanual. app-emulation/emul-linux-x86-baselibs seems different, I've just been hit by this one, so I ignored it after the first build. I suspect a bug has already been reported. -- Neil Bothwick If at first you don't succeed, you'll get a lot of free advice from folks who didn't succeed either. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Re: encrypted email (gentoo-windows)
Sebastian Beßler sebastian at darkmetatron.de writes: Mail encryption is, as far as I know, something that works on the client-side only. The mail server doesn't see the encryption, encrypted mails contain only text, just like every other mail. OK let's ignore the mail server portion. Your basically implying that encrypted mail handling from the server, does not matter if it's an exchange server, or *nix, like postfix As an example. Look at the situation where a person is using only MS technology and has no access to support(input) on their client software nor the MS exchange server (big corp for example that assumes the world only uses MS software). Maybe they can make a few setting changes only in Outlook to get encryption working between a MS (Outlook) system and my Gentoo system using pgp and thunderbird? If may answer has nothing to do with your problem, please give me more information what you have in mind. I do not have a problem. I have assumed that encrypted mail between a given client software on a gentoo system, will not work with windows. Is this assumption incorrect? Or it's just install whatever I want (mail client on gentoo) and it will auto-magically exchange encrypted mail with outlook on a windows machine, behind a MS Exchange server, regardless of what the MS admins do on their side? I assumed that is not that easy (my default experience with MS), and things have to be coordinated, like most MS issues, to be able to exchange encrypted mail between a gentoo and MS workstation Nothing to it, or massive issues on the MS side? Obviously, making changes on the gentoo workstation client, is easy What I would really like is to be able to exchange encrypted mail with any MS user. That, I'm sure with entail pointing them to documents on how to set up the software on the MS (outlook) side. Links for MS help? ??? A general discussion at this point, not a specific solution. My googling only reveals dated discussions along these lines or information that is not useful. James
