Re: [gentoo-user] gnome 3.6 ... and related thoughts

2012-12-28 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 28.12.2012 01:23, schrieb Randolph Maaßen: Maybe interesting to read: http://igurublog.wordpress.com/2012/11/05/gnome-et-al-rotting-in-threes/ I think we had this before in the list Thanks for that pointer ... interesting read. Stefan

Re: [gentoo-user] E17 lock screen

2012-12-28 Thread Robert David
Hi Kevin, what exactly you missing on screen lock in E17? I use E17 and screen lock is ok when suspending. It does not need some xscreenlock stuff, it is just part of e. Just check settings-sceen-screen_lock and checkin lock_on_suspend. Thats all:) If you missing something, just make sure you

Re: [gentoo-user] How broken is my raid device /dev/md6?

2012-12-28 Thread Robert David
Hi, what does say: cat /proc/mdstat This happened on running system? The root is still running fine I suppose. Try run smartctl test on both drives. And do not rebuild or recreate md before you do not know all information, you can terribly broke your root. Robert. On Sun, 23 Dec 2012

Re: [gentoo-user] gconf - failed: not writable

2012-12-28 Thread Bruce Hill
On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 09:38:38PM -0600, Bruce Hill wrote: On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 07:34:00PM -0700, Joseph wrote: Looking at the package list: http://packages.gentoo.org/package/gnome-base/gconf?arches=fbsd gnome-base/gconf is not mark stable or testing at all, there is a blank

Re: [gentoo-user] gconf - failed: not writable

2012-12-28 Thread Mark Knecht
On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 3:54 AM, Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote: SNIP Sorry for replying to my own; must have deleted OP. This morning's world update only wanted to rebuild gconf because they made the gtk dep optional and dropped the doc USE: [ebuild R]

Re: [Bulk] Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-28 Thread Kevin Chadwick
Should perl be in / or /usr? Now that is a good question, if only because Perl traditionally _loathes_ being in /bin, for its own philosophical reasons. Now, as a practical matter? WTF are the scripts written in Perl? Or in anything other than sh? If they're intended for emergency

Re: [Bulk] Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-28 Thread Michael Mol
On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 9:10 AM, Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Should perl be in / or /usr? Now that is a good question, if only because Perl traditionally _loathes_ being in /bin, for its own philosophical reasons. Now, as a practical matter? WTF are the scripts written in

Re: [gentoo-user] php CURRENT_TIMESTAMP vs NOW()

2012-12-28 Thread Joseph
On 12/28/12 02:00, Michael Orlitzky wrote: On 12/28/2012 01:44 AM, Joseph wrote: I'm not a PHP programmer but I'll try to explain my problem. I've create table in my php database: DROP TABLE IF EXISTS visual_verify_code; CREATE TABLE visual_verify_code ( oscsid varchar(32) NOT NULL, code

Re: [gentoo-user] php CURRENT_TIMESTAMP vs NOW()

2012-12-28 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 12/28/12 10:56, Joseph wrote: Your are correct, when I removed the quotes it worked. I'm backing it up through the backup.php sript that came with osCommerce, I can post it but it is a long one. I am... familiar... with osCommerce. You will be much better off doing a mysqldump if you

Re: Should /usr be merged with /? (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?)

2012-12-28 Thread Mark David Dumlao
TLDR: FHS is unrealistic about its promises. if we move our binaries / libraries to /usr and work it to make sure /usr is mounted, we will better serve FHS goals and also happen to fix some systemic, but silent bugs. On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu,

Re: Should /usr be merged with /? (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?)

2012-12-28 Thread Bruce Hill
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 01:16:34AM +0800, Mark David Dumlao wrote: TLDR: FHS is unrealistic about its promises. if we move our binaries / libraries to /usr and work it to make sure /usr is mounted, we will better serve FHS goals and also happen to fix some systemic, but silent bugs. On

Re: Should /usr be merged with /? (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?)

2012-12-28 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 1:33 AM, Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote: Dang, I got an Excedrin® headache! Heh. Mike said he was game. -- This email is:[ ] actionable [ ] fyi[x] social Response needed: [ ] yes [x] up to you [ ] no Time-sensitive: [ ]

Re: [gentoo-user] php CURRENT_TIMESTAMP vs NOW()

2012-12-28 Thread Joseph
On 12/28/12 11:06, Michael Orlitzky wrote: On 12/28/12 10:56, Joseph wrote: Your are correct, when I removed the quotes it worked. I'm backing it up through the backup.php sript that came with osCommerce, I can post it but it is a long one. I am... familiar... with osCommerce. You will be

[gentoo-user] experiences with zfsonlinux?

2012-12-28 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Hi, so in the Good/better/best filesystem for large, static video library? thread zfs was mentioned, since I just ordered 3 new hdd to replace the current 5 in my box (3 in raid5, 2 in raid1 configuration), I asked myself: instead of raid5+xfs or ext4 or whatever else that might be a sane

Re: Should /usr be merged with /? (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?)

2012-12-28 Thread Michael Mol
On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Mark David Dumlao madum...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 1:33 AM, Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote: Dang, I got an Excedrin® headache! Heh. Mike said he was game. It's going to have to wait a bit. I'm not going to be able to get to

Re: [gentoo-user] php CURRENT_TIMESTAMP vs NOW()

2012-12-28 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 12/28/12 12:51, Joseph wrote: Yes, I run osCommerce on my server. Is the manuall command: mysqldump --opt -ppassword catalog catalog_backup.sql I think --opt is on by default, but yes, that should do it. If you would like to automate the backup (say, nightly), you can add the

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet? - what was wron with SysVInit?

2012-12-28 Thread pk
On 2012-12-28 00:24, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: Well, yeah, that's the point. I want to install Gentoo in my mother's PC, and never have to go to her house because someting broke. I really don't have the time nor the inclination to continue this but... Why would you in that case install Gentoo

Re: [gentoo-user] php CURRENT_TIMESTAMP vs NOW()

2012-12-28 Thread Joseph
On 12/28/12 13:00, Michael Orlitzky wrote: On 12/28/12 12:51, Joseph wrote: Yes, I run osCommerce on my server. Is the manuall command: mysqldump --opt -ppassword catalog catalog_backup.sql I think --opt is on by default, but yes, that should do it. If you would like to automate the

[gentoo-user] module-init-tools - can not download it

2012-12-28 Thread Joseph
Where is module-init-tools-3.16-r2? My system wants to upgrade it and it is mark stable but I can not download it at all. I know kmod is going to replace it eventually but it is not mark stable yet. -- Joseph

Re: Should /usr be merged with /? (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?)

2012-12-28 Thread Kevin Chadwick
On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 01:16:34 +0800 Mark David Dumlao madum...@gmail.com wrote: whatever filesystem type it is. Following this, for any distro to correctly FHS, there needs to be a package manager switch to copy arbitrary packages (and dependent libraries) from /usr to /. As of yet not

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet? - what was wron with SysVInit?

2012-12-28 Thread Kevin Chadwick
On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 17:38:15 -0600 Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: In SysV, I can *write* the daemon in the init script. In *that* sense, the init system tells the daemon how to do things, Please explain, sure there is the environment that tells a daemon what to do. No shell can

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet? - what was wron with SysVInit?

2012-12-28 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 12/28/12 13:15, pk wrote: On 2012-12-28 00:24, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: Well, yeah, that's the point. I want to install Gentoo in my mother's PC, and never have to go to her house because someting broke. I really don't have the time nor the inclination to continue this but... Why

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet? - what was wron with SysVInit?

2012-12-28 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 12:15 PM, pk pete...@coolmail.se wrote: On 2012-12-28 00:24, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: Well, yeah, that's the point. I want to install Gentoo in my mother's PC, and never have to go to her house because someting broke. I really don't have the time nor the inclination

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet? - what was wron with SysVInit?

2012-12-28 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 17:38:15 -0600 Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: In SysV, I can *write* the daemon in the init script. In *that* sense, the init system tells the daemon how to do things, Please

Re: [gentoo-user] module-init-tools - can not download it

2012-12-28 Thread Mark Knecht
On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 10:54 AM, Joseph syscon...@gmail.com wrote: Where is module-init-tools-3.16-r2? My system wants to upgrade it and it is mark stable but I can not download it at all. I know kmod is going to replace it eventually but it is not mark stable yet. -- Joseph I have

Re: [gentoo-user] module-init-tools - can not download it

2012-12-28 Thread Bruce Hill
On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 11:54:15AM -0700, Joseph wrote: Where is module-init-tools-3.16-r2? My system wants to upgrade it and it is mark stable but I can not download it at all. I know kmod is going to replace it eventually but it is not mark stable yet. -- Joseph Same problem you had

Re: [gentoo-user] module-init-tools - can not download it

2012-12-28 Thread Joseph
On 12/28/12 11:21, Mark Knecht wrote: On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 10:54 AM, Joseph syscon...@gmail.com wrote: Where is module-init-tools-3.16-r2? My system wants to upgrade it and it is mark stable but I can not download it at all. I know kmod is going to replace it eventually but it is not mark

Re: [gentoo-user] module-init-tools - can not download it

2012-12-28 Thread Bruce Hill
On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 01:04:04PM -0700, Joseph wrote: Thaks Mark, yes your mirrors worked. It makes me wonder what is wrong with my mirrors (they all failed) :-/ GENTOO_MIRRORS=ftp://linux.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/gentoo-mirror/ ftp://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/gentoo/

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet? - what was wron with SysVInit?

2012-12-28 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Dec 29, 2012 2:18 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: Stop thinking in sshd. I can write the *whole* daemon in shell, not in another script file, but inside /etc/init.d/mystupiddaemon (or /etc/rc.whatever); shell is Turing-complete, I can write in it anything I can write in C

Re: [gentoo-user] experiences with zfsonlinux?

2012-12-28 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 2012-12-28 18:52, schrieb Volker Armin Hemmann: Hi, so in the Good/better/best filesystem for large, static video library? thread zfs was mentioned, since I just ordered 3 new hdd to replace the current 5 in my box (3 in raid5, 2 in raid1 configuration), I asked myself: instead of

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet? - what was wron with SysVInit?

2012-12-28 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote: On Dec 29, 2012 2:18 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: Stop thinking in sshd. I can write the *whole* daemon in shell, not in another script file, but inside /etc/init.d/mystupiddaemon (or /etc/rc.whatever);

Re: [gentoo-user] module-init-tools - can not download it

2012-12-28 Thread Mark Knecht
On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 12:04 PM, Joseph syscon...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP Thaks Mark, yes your mirrors worked. It makes me wonder what is wrong with my mirrors (they all failed) :-/ GENTOO_MIRRORS=ftp://linux.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/gentoo-mirror/

[gentoo-user] Booting the Kernel as UEFI App

2012-12-28 Thread Randolph Maaßen
Hi Guys, I just got my laptop back from repair, the main board and harddrive are changed, so bye bye data. I haven't created any data on gentoo, i couldn't even set up the system before it crashed. So I'm going to setup a new install, and I have heard that you can set up the kernel as UEFI

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet? - what was wron with SysVInit?

2012-12-28 Thread pk
On 2012-12-28 20:01, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: Because I prefer Gentoo? That's what I really don't understand! You say you don't want to care about the system which implies Fedora or any other install-and-forget distro. I care about the system which is why I run Gentoo. Do you have USE=* in

Re: [gentoo-user] Building an initramfs into the kernel

2012-12-28 Thread Mark Knecht
On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 9:33 AM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 3:50 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On

Re: [gentoo-user] experiences with zfsonlinux?

2012-12-28 Thread Scott Ellis
Yeah, I use ZoL for my home server (mostly pictures, videos, and mp3s) and it works just fine. SSD for the / and /boot, and then ZFS for all the important data in a mirrored pool. Highly recommended. (Just updated to 3.7.1 kernel and 0.6.0-rc13 ZoL, with no issues, in case you were worried

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet? - what was wron with SysVInit?

2012-12-28 Thread Kevin Chadwick
On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 13:14:46 -0600 Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 17:38:15 -0600 Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: In SysV, I can *write* the daemon in the init

Re: [gentoo-user] experiences with zfsonlinux?

2012-12-28 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am Freitag, 28. Dezember 2012, 15:21:54 schrieb Scott Ellis: Yeah, I use ZoL for my home server (mostly pictures, videos, and mp3s) and it works just fine. SSD for the / and /boot, and then ZFS for all the important data in a mirrored pool. Highly recommended. (Just updated to 3.7.1 kernel

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/shm permissions drwxr-xr-x root:root ?

2012-12-28 Thread Walter Dnes
On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 02:10:26PM +0800, William Kenworthy wrote On 28/12/12 11:25, Walter Dnes wrote: chmod 755 /dev/shm/hello /dev/shm/hello as a user (not root) wdk@moriah /home/vm/qemu/mail $ vi /dev/shm/hello wdk@moriah /home/vm/qemu/mail $ chmod 755 /dev/shm/hello wdk@moriah

Re: [gentoo-user] Building an initramfs into the kernel

2012-12-28 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 09:33:48 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: One more question if I might. What's the simplest way to regenerate the kernel when there are no kernel changes but you have changes to the programs that are going into the initramfs? make clean seems like overkill to me, and it's very

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-28 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 11:02:54 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: Again, I don't really care about the pain - in a sick sense I sort of like it (more if it wore high heels...) - but I'm gonna learn this initramfs stuff and make it work because I suspect it's at least a good thing to know. I said the

Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} anyone tried egroupware?

2012-12-28 Thread Grant
Has anyone tried egroupware? Any opinions on it? - Grant Yes. I have been using the community version for several years. Has anyone tried the chat feature of egroupware? - Grant

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet? - what was wron with SysVInit?

2012-12-28 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 4:40 PM, pk pete...@coolmail.se wrote: On 2012-12-28 20:01, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: Because I prefer Gentoo? That's what I really don't understand! You say you don't want to care about the system which implies Fedora or any other install-and-forget distro. I care

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet? - what was wron with SysVInit?

2012-12-28 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 5:23 PM, Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 13:14:46 -0600 Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 17:38:15 -0600 Canek Peláez Valdés

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/shm permissions drwxr-xr-x root:root ?

2012-12-28 Thread Dale
Walter Dnes wrote: On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 02:10:26PM +0800, William Kenworthy wrote On 28/12/12 11:25, Walter Dnes wrote: chmod 755 /dev/shm/hello /dev/shm/hello as a user (not root) wdk@moriah /home/vm/qemu/mail $ vi /dev/shm/hello wdk@moriah /home/vm/qemu/mail $ chmod 755 /dev/shm/hello

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/shm permissions drwxr-xr-x root:root ?

2012-12-28 Thread William Kenworthy
On 29/12/12 08:17, Walter Dnes wrote: On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 02:10:26PM +0800, William Kenworthy wrote On 28/12/12 11:25, Walter Dnes wrote: chmod 755 /dev/shm/hello /dev/shm/hello as a user (not root) wdk@moriah /home/vm/qemu/mail $ vi /dev/shm/hello wdk@moriah /home/vm/qemu/mail $

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/shm permissions drwxr-xr-x root:root ?

2012-12-28 Thread Bruce Hill
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 09:35:03AM +0800, William Kenworthy wrote: * sys-fs/udev Latest version available: 196-r1 Latest version installed: 196-r1 Size of downloaded files: 1,922 kB Homepage:http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd Description:

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/shm permissions drwxr-xr-x root:root ?

2012-12-28 Thread Walter Dnes
On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 07:23:33PM -0600, Dale wrote Here is some info on mine, while you are waiting on William. root@fireball / # ls -al /dev/shm total 4 drwxrwxrwt 2 root root60 Dec 3 18:20 . drwxr-xr-x 17 root root 4360 Dec 28 15:30 .. -rwxr-xr-x 1 dale users 32 Dec 3 18:20

Re: [gentoo-user] IPTABLES syntax change?

2012-12-28 Thread Walter Dnes
On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 01:07:11AM -0500, Michael Orlitzky wrote On 12/27/2012 10:59 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: Here's my revised Paranoia Plus ruleset. Any comments? Because I'm behind a NAT-ing ADSL router/modem, many of my rules rarely see hits. However, I do have a backup dialup

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet? - what was wron with SysVInit?

2012-12-28 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 4:17 AM, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote: An example: A dev needs a newer version of a package. We upgrade it. It refuses to startup properly, but going back is out of the question because the dev *needs* the features only available in the new version. We check the

Re: [gentoo-user] IPTABLES syntax change?

2012-12-28 Thread Kerin Millar
Walter Dnes wrote: On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 01:07:11AM -0500, Michael Orlitzky wrote On 12/27/2012 10:59 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: Here's my revised Paranoia Plus ruleset. Any comments? Because I'm behind a NAT-ing ADSL router/modem, many of my rules rarely see hits. However, I do have a

Re: Should /usr be merged with /? (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?)

2012-12-28 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 2:53 AM, Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 01:16:34 +0800 Mark David Dumlao madum...@gmail.com wrote: whatever filesystem type it is. Following this, for any distro to correctly FHS, there needs to be a package manager switch to copy

[gentoo-user] Powering down the USB controller

2012-12-28 Thread Grant
I'm trying to get a USB sound card to behave in a certain way which requires it to think the computer has gone to sleep. I'm told the specific signal the sound card looks for is if the USB controller has been physically powered down. Should I unload a kernel module to accomplish this, or do I

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/shm permissions drwxr-xr-x root:root ?

2012-12-28 Thread Dale
Walter Dnes wrote: On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 07:23:33PM -0600, Dale wrote Here is some info on mine, while you are waiting on William. root@fireball / # ls -al /dev/shm total 4 drwxrwxrwt 2 root root60 Dec 3 18:20 . drwxr-xr-x 17 root root 4360 Dec 28 15:30 .. -rwxr-xr-x 1 dale

Re: Should /usr be merged with /? (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?)

2012-12-28 Thread Paul Colquhoun
On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 12:27:03 Mark David Dumlao wrote: On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 2:53 AM, Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 01:16:34 +0800 Mark David Dumlao madum...@gmail.com wrote: whatever filesystem type it is. Following this, for any distro to

Re: [gentoo-user] Booting the Kernel as UEFI App

2012-12-28 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Dec 29, 2012 5:26 AM, Randolph Maaßen r.maasse...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Guys, I just got my laptop back from repair, the main board and harddrive are changed, so bye bye data. I haven't created any data on gentoo, i couldn't even set up the system before it crashed. So I'm going to setup a