Re: [gentoo-user] evince - Error printing to PDF
On 18/04/2013 00:34, Joseph wrote: On 04/17/13 22:26, J. Roeleveld wrote: I agree, like actually provide more information when you mention that after using $$RANDOM_TOOL it doesn't work on another system either. In these cases, knowing what $$RANDOM_TOOL actually ended up doing would really help. Start with the short list of three items in my other mail. I promise you, and this is important, until you provide that information we will all keep going around in circles (unless you hit random pay dirt) and your printing will continue to not work. -- Joost Roeleveld When I start evince from a command line and try to print to pdf file I get: (evince:18927): Pango-WARNING **: Invalid UTF-8 string passed to pango_layout_set_text() Did you do a Google search on that error, and if so, what did you conclude from reading the various hits you got? -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] evince - Error printing to PDF
On 18/04/2013 00:26, Joseph wrote: I promise you, and this is important, until you provide that information we will all keep going around in circles (unless you hit random pay dirt) and your printing will continue to not work. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com If is hard to find trouble-shoot these kind of problems. If I new which package is causing it I wouldn't be asking questions on this forum! I'll emerge --rsync maybe it was fixed already. I know Firefox-17.0.4 has a printing problem to a folder other than /home/user/ folder but it was fixed in 17.0.5 version. What does a Firefox printing error have to do with evince? Please make at least *some* effort to help yourself and describe to the list what steps you took and the results, even if they were not successful. With an error like this I expect you to have already done some sane Google searches to see if this is a common problem or isolated to you, I would expect you to check bugs.gentoo.org and I would expect you to know what packages have been updated since the problem manifested. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
[gentoo-user] Re: evince - Error printing to PDF
Joseph: When I try to print from evince to pdf file I get an error: Error printing - Operation not supported I have tried that with evince 2.32.0-r4 and got the same error. After starting evince from a xterm with 'evince example.pdf' and choosing File-Print... 'Output Format [x] PDF' was checked and the field 'Name' was filled with output.pdf. Clicking Print resulted in a bar indicating the processing of the file and at the end of that a window with the error message appeared. But: only if i accept the prefilled field 'Name'. Deleting the output.pdf there and typing in the same file name again resulted in a successful print. :) Looks like a bug in evince. Hartmut -- Usenet-ABC-Wiki http://www.usenet-abc.de/wiki/ Von Usern fuer User :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] evince - Error printing to PDF
On 18 April 2013, at 02:12, Joseph wrote: ... I have uninstalled cups-pdf and when I go any program print there is still option: Print to file except that now 'Save to folder by default is empty field, before if I remember was a user home directory. Well, I would have assumed that cups-pdf would be necessary for printing to PDF, but I would like to see a screenshot of this default empty field. Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] evince - Error printing to PDF
On 04/18/13 08:40, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 18/04/2013 00:34, Joseph wrote: On 04/17/13 22:26, J. Roeleveld wrote: I agree, like actually provide more information when you mention that after using $$RANDOM_TOOL it doesn't work on another system either. In these cases, knowing what $$RANDOM_TOOL actually ended up doing would really help. Start with the short list of three items in my other mail. I promise you, and this is important, until you provide that information we will all keep going around in circles (unless you hit random pay dirt) and your printing will continue to not work. -- Joost Roeleveld When I start evince from a command line and try to print to pdf file I get: (evince:18927): Pango-WARNING **: Invalid UTF-8 string passed to pango_layout_set_text() Did you do a Google search on that error, and if so, what did you conclude from reading the various hits you got? -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com Well, I finally narrow it down to one build in functionality it that is build into some library, though nobody can tell me which library is it. I'm talking about the option when you go to Print from for example Firefox or evince, when print window pop-up there is option: Print to File (this has nothing to do with cups-pdf filter) This option is not working as before. Prior to upgrade I could print from Firefox to PDF to any user sub-directory now I can only print to user home folder. Evince will not print at all to pdf or ps file. So that library screw me up, but I don't know which one is it. -- Joseph
Re: [gentoo-user] evince - Error printing to PDF
On 04/18/13 13:23, Stroller wrote: On 18 April 2013, at 02:12, Joseph wrote: ... I have uninstalled cups-pdf and when I go any program print there is still option: Print to file except that now 'Save to folder by default is empty field, before if I remember was a user home directory. Well, I would have assumed that cups-pdf would be necessary for printing to PDF, but I would like to see a screenshot of this default empty field. Stroller. No, cups-pdf has nothing to do with it as I just described it is build-in functionality when you go to print dialog when a windows pop-up there is an entry Print to File this option part of some kind of library but but I don't know which one. Still looking. So it has nothing to do with evince or Firefox. -- Joseph
[gentoo-user] Re: evince - Error printing to PDF
Stroller: On 18 April 2013, at 02:12, Joseph wrote: I have uninstalled cups-pdf and when I go any program print there is still option: Print to file except that now 'Save to folder by default is empty field, before if I remember was a user home directory. Well, I would have assumed that cups-pdf would be necessary for printing to PDF, but I would like to see a screenshot of this default empty field. I have not installed cups-pdf and don't use evince for printing. But i have tested the problem. After pressing File-Print... this window opens http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/ev130418.png Pressing 'Print' in this window results in the the error window unless the field 'Name:' with the prefilled value output.pdf is deleted and manually replaced by e.g. output.pdf. *g* Hartmut -- Usenet-ABC-Wiki http://www.usenet-abc.de/wiki/ Von Usern fuer User :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] evince - Error printing to PDF
2013/4/18 Joseph syscon...@gmail.com: Well, I finally narrow it down to one build in functionality it that is build into some library, though nobody can tell me which library is it. I'm talking about the option when you go to Print from for example Firefox or evince, when print window pop-up there is option: Print to File (this has nothing to do with cups-pdf filter) This option is not working as before. Prior to upgrade I could print from Firefox to PDF to any user sub-directory now I can only print to user home folder. Evince will not print at all to pdf or ps file. So that library screw me up, but I don't know which one is it. Is that library ghostscript-gpl? The package provides quite a bit of functionality regarding PS/PDF file generation. On my system this gives: $ equery depends ghostscript-gpl * These packages depend on ghostscript-gpl: app-text/epspdf-0.5.3 (app-text/ghostscript-gpl) app-text/libspectre-0.2.7 (=app-text/ghostscript-gpl-8.62) app-text/ps2eps-1.64 (app-text/ghostscript-gpl) dev-lang/nasm-2.10.07 (doc ? app-text/ghostscript-gpl) dev-python/matplotlib-1.2.0-r2 (latex ? app-text/ghostscript-gpl) dev-tex/tex4ht-20090611_p1038-r1 (app-text/ghostscript-gpl) media-gfx/gimp-2.8.4 (postscript ? app-text/ghostscript-gpl) media-gfx/imagemagick-6.7.8.7 (postscript ? app-text/ghostscript-gpl) media-gfx/inkscape-0.48.4 (postscript ? app-text/ghostscript-gpl) media-gfx/uniconvertor-1.1.5 (app-text/ghostscript-gpl) media-libs/sk1libs-0.9.1 (app-text/ghostscript-gpl) net-print/cups-1.5.2-r4 (app-text/ghostscript-gpl[cups]) net-print/foomatic-filters-4.0.17 (app-text/ghostscript-gpl) sci-mathematics/octave-3.4.3-r1 (app-text/ghostscript-gpl) sci-visualization/gnuplot-4.6.1 (doc ? app-text/ghostscript-gpl) A lot of packages. So I suspect that is the problem.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: evince - Error printing to PDF
On 04/18/13 09:30, Hartmut Figge wrote: Joseph: When I try to print from evince to pdf file I get an error: Error printing - Operation not supported I have tried that with evince 2.32.0-r4 and got the same error. After starting evince from a xterm with 'evince example.pdf' and choosing File-Print... 'Output Format [x] PDF' was checked and the field 'Name' was filled with output.pdf. Clicking Print resulted in a bar indicating the processing of the file and at the end of that a window with the error message appeared. But: only if i accept the prefilled field 'Name'. Deleting the output.pdf there and typing in the same file name again resulted in a successful print. :) Looks like a bug in evince. Hartmut -- Usenet-ABC-Wiki http://www.usenet-abc.de/wiki/ Von Usern fuer User :-) No, this is not evince, I have a system prior to upgrade with evince-2.32.0-r4 and after upgrade evince did not change so this is not evince nor Firefox this is the functionality of the Print to File option. So I'm trying to find out which package implements this functionality. -- Joseph
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: evince - Error printing to PDF
On 04/18/13 14:34, Hartmut Figge wrote: Stroller: On 18 April 2013, at 02:12, Joseph wrote: I have uninstalled cups-pdf and when I go any program print there is still option: Print to file except that now 'Save to folder by default is empty field, before if I remember was a user home directory. Well, I would have assumed that cups-pdf would be necessary for printing to PDF, but I would like to see a screenshot of this default empty field. I have not installed cups-pdf and don't use evince for printing. But i have tested the problem. After pressing File-Print... this window opens http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/ev130418.png Pressing 'Print' in this window results in the the error window unless the field 'Name:' with the prefilled value output.pdf is deleted and manually replaced by e.g. output.pdf. *g* Hartmut -- Usenet-ABC-Wiki http://www.usenet-abc.de/wiki/ Von Usern fuer User :-) Even if I type different file name eg. 123.pdf I can not print. Which package implements Print to file it is not cups-pdf -- Joseph
Re: [gentoo-user] evince - Error printing to PDF
On 04/18/13 20:38, Wang Xuerui wrote: 2013/4/18 Joseph syscon...@gmail.com: Well, I finally narrow it down to one build in functionality it that is build into some library, though nobody can tell me which library is it. I'm talking about the option when you go to Print from for example Firefox or evince, when print window pop-up there is option: Print to File (this has nothing to do with cups-pdf filter) This option is not working as before. Prior to upgrade I could print from Firefox to PDF to any user sub-directory now I can only print to user home folder. Evince will not print at all to pdf or ps file. So that library screw me up, but I don't know which one is it. Is that library ghostscript-gpl? The package provides quite a bit of functionality regarding PS/PDF file generation. On my system this gives: $ equery depends ghostscript-gpl * These packages depend on ghostscript-gpl: app-text/epspdf-0.5.3 (app-text/ghostscript-gpl) app-text/libspectre-0.2.7 (=app-text/ghostscript-gpl-8.62) app-text/ps2eps-1.64 (app-text/ghostscript-gpl) dev-lang/nasm-2.10.07 (doc ? app-text/ghostscript-gpl) dev-python/matplotlib-1.2.0-r2 (latex ? app-text/ghostscript-gpl) dev-tex/tex4ht-20090611_p1038-r1 (app-text/ghostscript-gpl) media-gfx/gimp-2.8.4 (postscript ? app-text/ghostscript-gpl) media-gfx/imagemagick-6.7.8.7 (postscript ? app-text/ghostscript-gpl) media-gfx/inkscape-0.48.4 (postscript ? app-text/ghostscript-gpl) media-gfx/uniconvertor-1.1.5 (app-text/ghostscript-gpl) media-libs/sk1libs-0.9.1 (app-text/ghostscript-gpl) net-print/cups-1.5.2-r4 (app-text/ghostscript-gpl[cups]) net-print/foomatic-filters-4.0.17 (app-text/ghostscript-gpl) sci-mathematics/octave-3.4.3-r1 (app-text/ghostscript-gpl) sci-visualization/gnuplot-4.6.1 (doc ? app-text/ghostscript-gpl) A lot of packages. So I suspect that is the problem. No, I checked on my functioning systems (prior upgrade) is ghostscript-gpl-9.05-r1 and the after upgrade it was the same version so it is not it. -- Joseph
[gentoo-user] Re: evince - Error printing to PDF
Joseph: On 04/18/13 14:34, Hartmut Figge wrote: http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/ev130418.png Even if I type different file name eg. 123.pdf I can not print. Does 'Print Preview' work? Which package implements Print to file it is not cups-pdf Cannot be, because i don't have cups-pdf installed. Now i have reread the the thread. You wrote |After starting evince from command line I can print to pdf file; but |only when starting it from a desktop I'm getting this error. I can only test by evoking evince from a xterm. No desktop here. With what command is evince called when started from the desktop? Hartmut
[gentoo-user] Portage screwup
What is going on with portage? All the older packages are being removed and and some of them are not even made stable. I've masked current one app-text/poppler-0.22.2-r2 but looking at the web-page this is not even stable poppler-0.22.3 is masked all across the previous version are all removed. All the packages that I recently try to roll back are gone, in most cases only one is available so there is no option to roll back. Am I missing something? -- Joseph
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: evince - Error printing to PDF
On 04/18/13 15:32, Hartmut Figge wrote: Joseph: On 04/18/13 14:34, Hartmut Figge wrote: http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/ev130418.png Even if I type different file name eg. 123.pdf I can not print. Does 'Print Preview' work? Which package implements Print to file it is not cups-pdf Cannot be, because i don't have cups-pdf installed. Now i have reread the the thread. You wrote |After starting evince from command line I can print to pdf file; but |only when starting it from a desktop I'm getting this error. I can only test by evoking evince from a xterm. No desktop here. With what command is evince called when started from the desktop? Hartmut When you install evince, the entry is automatically created in XFCE4 in Application Menu - Graphics - Document Viewer I don't you can edit this entry, can you? How to look it up? -- Joseph
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: evince - Error printing to PDF
On Thu, 18 Apr 2013 08:06:08 -0600, Joseph wrote: I can only test by evoking evince from a xterm. No desktop here. With what command is evince called when started from the desktop? Hartmut When you install evince, the entry is automatically created in XFCE4 in Application Menu - Graphics - Document Viewer I don't you can edit this entry, can you? How to look it up? You can edit the .desktop file installed by the package. But first you have to find what is wrong with the desktop invocation. ps aux | grep evince run after starting it from the desktop will show the options used when running it. -- Neil Bothwick Fine day for a good workout. Steal something heavy. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Portage screwup
On Thu, 18 Apr 2013 07:33:24 -0600, Joseph wrote: All the older packages are being removed and and some of them are not even made stable. That makes sense. These are testing packages, if the tests reveal a fault that is rectified in a later ebuild, only the fixed one will be made stable. I've masked current one app-text/poppler-0.22.2-r2 but looking at the web-page this is not even stable poppler-0.22.3 is masked all acrossgo It's not masked, it is keyworded - there is a difference. the previous version are all removed. All the packages that I recently try to roll back are gone, in most cases only one is available so there is no option to roll back. Am I missing something? All ebuilds stay on the Gentoo CVS server, ones that are removed from the tree in the attic. If you want a previous version, download it from the attic and put it in your local overlay. -- Neil Bothwick If there is light at the end of the tunnel...order more tunnel. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: evince - Error printing to PDF
On 04/18/13 15:27, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Thu, 18 Apr 2013 08:06:08 -0600, Joseph wrote: I can only test by evoking evince from a xterm. No desktop here. With what command is evince called when started from the desktop? Hartmut When you install evince, the entry is automatically created in XFCE4 in Application Menu - Graphics - Document Viewer I don't you can edit this entry, can you? How to look it up? You can edit the .desktop file installed by the package. But first you have to find what is wrong with the desktop invocation. ps aux | grep evince run after starting it from the desktop will show the options used when running it. -- Neil Bothwick Fine day for a good workout. Steal something heavy. After starting evince from desktop, running: ps aux | grep evince joseph 18214 10.0 0.6 1069048 52660 ? Sl 08:45 0:00 evince /home/joseph/123.pdf joseph 18220 0.0 0.0 183516 2268 ?Sl 08:45 0:00 /usr/libexec/evinced root 18232 0.0 0.0 8516 884 pts/0S+ 08:45 0:00 grep --colour=auto evince is not giving me much. evince is starting file 123.pdf without any options. -- Joseph
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: evince - Error printing to PDF
On 18/04/2013 14:34, Hartmut Figge wrote: Stroller: On 18 April 2013, at 02:12, Joseph wrote: I have uninstalled cups-pdf and when I go any program print there is still option: Print to file except that now 'Save to folder by default is empty field, before if I remember was a user home directory. Well, I would have assumed that cups-pdf would be necessary for printing to PDF, but I would like to see a screenshot of this default empty field. I have not installed cups-pdf and don't use evince for printing. But i have tested the problem. After pressing File-Print... this window opens http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/ev130418.png Pressing 'Print' in this window results in the the error window unless the field 'Name:' with the prefilled value output.pdf is deleted and manually replaced by e.g. output.pdf. *g* The console error is regarding invalid UTF-8 strings in filenames. I'm betting the cause is idiotic filename munging by evince or one of the lower libraries involved, which makes it a bug. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
[gentoo-user] HD7870 AMD Catalyst no framebuffer console
Hi all, I have a video card HD7870, I tried install the AMD Catalyst driver ~amd64 in portage, it works well under X. But when I press ctrl+alt+F1, the screen is blank?? Although I googled this problem I add nomodeset and radeon.modeset=0 video=uvesa to the kernel cmdline in /boot/grub/menu.lst, it didn't work at all. What can I do to solve this? Liu Yang
Re: [gentoo-user] HD7870 AMD Catalyst no framebuffer console
2013/4/18 Amankwah amankw...@gmail.com: Hi all, I have a video card HD7870, I tried install the AMD Catalyst driver ~amd64 in portage, it works well under X. But when I press ctrl+alt+F1, the screen is blank?? Although I googled this problem I add nomodeset and radeon.modeset=0 video=uvesa to the kernel cmdline in /boot/grub/menu.lst, it didn't work at all. What can I do to solve this? IIRC fglrx does not support KMS, hence no framebuffer. The radeon parameters are of no use in this case; in order for the proprietary driver to work properly, the open source module must be blacklisted. So instructing the radeon module makes little sense. Please correct me if I got any of these wrong; haven't used the binary blob for about 2 years myself, the memory is slowly fading.
Re: [gentoo-user] Portage screwup
On 04/18/13 15:31, Neil Bothwick wrote: All ebuilds stay on the Gentoo CVS server, ones that are removed from the tree in the attic. If you want a previous version, download it from the attic and put it in your local overlay. -- Neil Bothwick If there is light at the end of the tunnel...order more tunnel. Do you have any link how to set it up? -- Joseph
Re: [gentoo-user] Portage screwup
Am 18.04.2013 17:50, schrieb Joseph: On 04/18/13 15:31, Neil Bothwick wrote: All ebuilds stay on the Gentoo CVS server, ones that are removed from the tree in the attic. If you want a previous version, download it from the attic and put it in your local overlay. -- Neil Bothwick If there is light at the end of the tunnel...order more tunnel. Do you have any link how to set it up? http://lmgtfy.com/?q=portage+attic+local+overlay
[gentoo-user] Removing pulseaudio
Hello, Gentoo. I've just removed pulseaudio from my main Gentoo system. Why? Several reasons: (i) It's a sound server, a description I don't understand. What does it _do_? Why do I want it? It seems to be an unnecessary layer of fat between sound applications and the kernel. (ii) I was having problems with the last 1-2 seconds being cut off audio streams from news sites. (iii) The provenance of the code; it's author is also udev's maintainer, the udev that has given most of us so much fun over the months. When might awkwardnesses start appearing in pulseaudio? By the way, I run sound stuff mainly in Gnome 2, using aqualung to play CDs and listening to audio files streamed or downloaded from the net. So, I grasped the nettle, put in a negative pulseaudio use flag, unmerged pa and alsa-plugins, then rebuilt the 14 packages which needed it. Surprisingly, everything still works. I now get those last seconds from my news streams. :-) So, yes, I can recomment the removal of pulseaudio, unless anybody's got some particular need for it. -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).
Re: [gentoo-user] Removing pulseaudio
On 04/18/2013 03:32 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: [snip] So, I grasped the nettle, put in a negative pulseaudio use flag, unmerged pa and alsa-plugins, then rebuilt the 14 packages which needed it. Surprisingly, everything still works. I now get those last seconds from my news streams. :-) So, yes, I can recomment the removal of pulseaudio, unless anybody's got some particular need for it. IME, there is one application that all but forces the use of PulseAudio: Flash. Once Flash grabs onto an ALSA device, it doesn't let go, so you *must* route it through PA if you would like to reliably use it with anything else. My particular discovery was that if I launched WoW under WINE, and then launched a browser, audio in WoW worked fine. If I launched the browser first (which resulted in a flash applet being loaded in GMail for the purpose of audio notifications for google talk), Flash grabbed the ALSA device and no WINE application could get at it. Routing both through PulseAudio solved the problem. The other reason I still use PA is X11...I like to use uxterm extensively within X, and the only way to get the X11 bell working appears to be via PA. So that's what I do. (Googling the history of that bit of functionality was infuriating; that was the first time Lennart pissed me off. Before someone finally acquiesced and added the functionality to PA, he fought it, saying it wasn't PA's job.) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Removing pulseaudio
Am 18.04.2013 21:48, schrieb Michael Mol: On 04/18/2013 03:32 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: [snip] So, I grasped the nettle, put in a negative pulseaudio use flag, unmerged pa and alsa-plugins, then rebuilt the 14 packages which needed it. Surprisingly, everything still works. I now get those last seconds from my news streams. :-) So, yes, I can recomment the removal of pulseaudio, unless anybody's got some particular need for it. IME, there is one application that all but forces the use of PulseAudio: Flash. Once Flash grabs onto an ALSA device, it doesn't let go, so you *must* route it through PA if you would like to reliably use it with anything else. My particular discovery was that if I launched WoW under WINE, and then launched a browser, audio in WoW worked fine. If I launched the browser first (which resulted in a flash applet being loaded in GMail for the purpose of audio notifications for google talk), Flash grabbed the ALSA device and no WINE application could get at it. Routing both through PulseAudio solved the problem. /I can have as many flash instances as I want and still listen to stuff being played in vlc. Without pulseaudio crap. Maybe wine just sucks?/
Re: [gentoo-user] Removing pulseaudio
On 18 April 2013, at 20:32, Alan Mackenzie wrote: ... (i) It's a sound server, a description I don't understand. What does it _do_? Why do I want it? It seems to be an unnecessary layer of fat between sound applications and the kernel. If you don't understand the term sound server you probably shouldn't be using Gentoo. When I'm watching a YouTube video I still want to hear my email client go bing or my chat program alert me of my buddy coming online. That's not possible if my web-browser has a hard-wired path into my soundcard and ain't letting go. Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] Portage screwup
Am 18.04.2013 15:33, schrieb Joseph: What is going on with portage? All the older packages are being removed and and some of them are not even made stable. I've masked current one app-text/poppler-0.22.2-r2 but looking at the web-page this is not even stable poppler-0.22.3 is masked all across the previous version are all removed. All the packages that I recently try to roll back are gone, in most cases only one is available so there is no option to roll back. Am I missing something? The version of poppler that you have masked ( 0.22.2-r2 ) is stable. So it's not a portage screw up, the problem is more that you are trying to install outdated software.
Re: [gentoo-user] Removing pulseaudio
On 04/18/2013 04:02 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am 18.04.2013 21:48, schrieb Michael Mol: On 04/18/2013 03:32 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: [snip] So, I grasped the nettle, put in a negative pulseaudio use flag, unmerged pa and alsa-plugins, then rebuilt the 14 packages which needed it. Surprisingly, everything still works. I now get those last seconds from my news streams. :-) So, yes, I can recomment the removal of pulseaudio, unless anybody's got some particular need for it. IME, there is one application that all but forces the use of PulseAudio: Flash. Once Flash grabs onto an ALSA device, it doesn't let go, so you *must* route it through PA if you would like to reliably use it with anything else. My particular discovery was that if I launched WoW under WINE, and then launched a browser, audio in WoW worked fine. If I launched the browser first (which resulted in a flash applet being loaded in GMail for the purpose of audio notifications for google talk), Flash grabbed the ALSA device and no WINE application could get at it. Routing both through PulseAudio solved the problem. /I can have as many flash instances as I want and still listen to stuff being played in vlc. Without pulseaudio crap. Maybe wine just sucks?/ Easy on the invective. Did you pay attention to the specific sequence of events I described? Or are you simply reporting that Flash works fine as an ALSA client along other concurrently reporting tasks, with no reference to the explicit order of the launch of things? Incidentally, WoW+WINE worked absolutely fine with other ALSA clients. It was only when Flash got added to the mix--and was launched first--that I had a problem. Further, if Flash was launched before PA (and ALSA apps weren't configured to route through PA's alsa wrapper), PA itself could not latch on to the sound card. Also, it's possible Adobe has since fixed the bug. This was a couple years ago, even before they added direct PulseAudio support to flash. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] HD7870 AMD Catalyst no framebuffer console
Am 18.04.2013 17:37, schrieb Wang Xuerui: 2013/4/18 Amankwah amankw...@gmail.com: Hi all, I have a video card HD7870, I tried install the AMD Catalyst driver ~amd64 in portage, it works well under X. But when I press ctrl+alt+F1, the screen is blank?? Although I googled this problem I add nomodeset and radeon.modeset=0 video=uvesa to the kernel cmdline in /boot/grub/menu.lst, it didn't work at all. What can I do to solve this? IIRC fglrx does not support KMS, hence no framebuffer. correct The radeon parameters are of no use in this case; in order for the proprietary driver to work properly, the open source module must be blacklisted. So instructing the radeon module makes little sense. correct, don't load the radeon module. You can also disable the Direct Rendering Manager (CONFIG_DRM). For framebuffer on my machine I use CONFIG_FB_EFI, but CONFIG_FB_VESA should work too. I'm not sure about CONFIG_FB_RADEON
Re: [Bulk] Re: [gentoo-user] Removing pulseaudio
... (i) It's a sound server, a description I don't understand. What does it _do_? Why do I want it? It seems to be an unnecessary layer of fat between sound applications and the kernel. If you don't understand the term sound server you probably shouldn't be using Gentoo. When I'm watching a YouTube video I still want to hear my email client go bing or my chat program alert me of my buddy coming online. That's not possible if my web-browser has a hard-wired path into my soundcard and ain't letting go. Just throwing out there that users can or atleast could use alsa plugs to have multiple applications. I did that before pulseaudio came along to play nfs carbon under cedega and listen to music. Also I have never got around to looking into Jackd but isn't it meant to be by far the best. I know pro audio users use it and I have heard it is not the easiest to set up but is there any reason why it isn't the default setup. http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/JACK From a quick look at this jack can hook up multiple applications that seem to need to be set up individually. What's the scope for Jack a./ replacing pulseaudio b./ having a compat interface layer to make pulseaudio compatible apps talk to jack -- ___ 'Write programs that do one thing and do it well. Write programs to work together. Write programs to handle text streams, because that is a universal interface' (Doug McIlroy) ___
Re: [gentoo-user] Removing pulseaudio
'evening, Stroller. On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 09:02:36PM +0100, Stroller wrote: On 18 April 2013, at 20:32, Alan Mackenzie wrote: ... (i) It's a sound server, a description I don't understand. What does it _do_? Why do I want it? It seems to be an unnecessary layer of fat between sound applications and the kernel. If you don't understand the term sound server you probably shouldn't be using Gentoo. :-) When I'm watching a YouTube video I still want to hear my email client go bing or my chat program alert me of my buddy coming online. That's not possible if my web-browser has a hard-wired path into my soundcard and ain't letting go. Thanks for the explanation, I'm beginning to understand what sound server means. It's a sort of mixer, isn't it? My email client (over an ssh session) goes bleep via my PC's internal speaker, which I hear even when the other sound system is being used. Stroller. -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).
Re: [gentoo-user] Portage screwup
On 04/18/13 22:10, Michael Hampicke wrote: Am 18.04.2013 15:33, schrieb Joseph: What is going on with portage? All the older packages are being removed and and some of them are not even made stable. I've masked current one app-text/poppler-0.22.2-r2 but looking at the web-page this is not even stable poppler-0.22.3 is masked all across the previous version are all removed. All the packages that I recently try to roll back are gone, in most cases only one is available so there is no option to roll back. Am I missing something? The version of poppler that you have masked ( 0.22.2-r2 ) is stable. So it's not a portage screw up, the problem is more that you are trying to install outdated software. I'm not getting any were with this; looking blindly trying to install older versions hoping it might help This Gentoo portage + attic is not getting any easier it is not documented officially how to install and run it and if I ask how to do it all I get is silly advice to google it up :-/ Maybe it is time for me to move to another distro. -- Joseph
Re: [gentoo-user] Portage screwup
On Thu, 18 Apr 2013 14:34:42 -0600, Joseph wrote: I'm not getting any were with this; looking blindly trying to install older versions hoping it might help This Gentoo portage + attic is not getting any easier it is not documented officially how to install and run it and if I ask how to do it all I get is silly advice to google it up :-/ You don't install attic, it is an area of the CVS server. You copy files from it to a local overlay, and setting up one of those is covered in the Gentoo Handbook. All ebuilds stay on the Gentoo CVS server, ones that are removed from the tree in the attic. If you want a previous version, download it from the attic and put it in your local overlay. See, no mention of installing anything. Download and copy it, i.e. one ebuild. Google isn't enough, you also have to read the advice given. -- Neil Bothwick Top Oxymorons Number 35: Legally drunk signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Removing pulseaudio
Am 18.04.2013 22:13, schrieb Michael Mol: On 04/18/2013 04:02 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am 18.04.2013 21:48, schrieb Michael Mol: On 04/18/2013 03:32 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: [snip] So, I grasped the nettle, put in a negative pulseaudio use flag, unmerged pa and alsa-plugins, then rebuilt the 14 packages which needed it. Surprisingly, everything still works. I now get those last seconds from my news streams. :-) So, yes, I can recomment the removal of pulseaudio, unless anybody's got some particular need for it. IME, there is one application that all but forces the use of PulseAudio: Flash. Once Flash grabs onto an ALSA device, it doesn't let go, so you *must* route it through PA if you would like to reliably use it with anything else. My particular discovery was that if I launched WoW under WINE, and then launched a browser, audio in WoW worked fine. If I launched the browser first (which resulted in a flash applet being loaded in GMail for the purpose of audio notifications for google talk), Flash grabbed the ALSA device and no WINE application could get at it. Routing both through PulseAudio solved the problem. /I can have as many flash instances as I want and still listen to stuff being played in vlc. Without pulseaudio crap. Maybe wine just sucks?/ Easy on the invective. Did you pay attention to the specific sequence of events I described? Or are you simply reporting that Flash works fine as an ALSA client along other concurrently reporting tasks, with no reference to the explicit order of the launch of things? Incidentally, WoW+WINE worked absolutely fine with other ALSA clients. It was only when Flash got added to the mix--and was launched first--that I had a problem. Further, if Flash was launched before PA (and ALSA apps weren't configured to route through PA's alsa wrapper), PA itself could not latch on to the sound card. Also, it's possible Adobe has since fixed the bug. This was a couple years ago, even before they added direct PulseAudio support to flash. the order is completely irrelavant. I start flash, xine, amarok, vlc, alsaplayer, whatever - and it just works. Without pulseaudio, jackd, esd, artsd etc pp. I don't use wine. For a lot of good reasons.
Re: [gentoo-user] Removing pulseaudio
Am 18.04.2013 22:02, schrieb Stroller: On 18 April 2013, at 20:32, Alan Mackenzie wrote: ... (i) It's a sound server, a description I don't understand. What does it _do_? Why do I want it? It seems to be an unnecessary layer of fat between sound applications and the kernel. If you don't understand the term sound server you probably shouldn't be using Gentoo. When I'm watching a YouTube video I still want to hear my email client go bing or my chat program alert me of my buddy coming online. That's not possible if my web-browser has a hard-wired path into my soundcard and ain't letting go. Stroller. beeep. Wrong.
Re: [gentoo-user] Removing pulseaudio
On 04/18/2013 04:43 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am 18.04.2013 22:13, schrieb Michael Mol: On 04/18/2013 04:02 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am 18.04.2013 21:48, schrieb Michael Mol: [snip] My particular discovery was that if I launched WoW under WINE, and then launched a browser, audio in WoW worked fine. If I launched the browser first (which resulted in a flash applet being loaded in GMail for the purpose of audio notifications for google talk), Flash grabbed the ALSA device and no WINE application could get at it. Routing both through PulseAudio solved the problem. /I can have as many flash instances as I want and still listen to stuff being played in vlc. Without pulseaudio crap. Maybe wine just sucks?/ Easy on the invective. Did you pay attention to the specific sequence of events I described? Or are you simply reporting that Flash works fine as an ALSA client along other concurrently reporting tasks, with no reference to the explicit order of the launch of things? Incidentally, WoW+WINE worked absolutely fine with other ALSA clients. It was only when Flash got added to the mix--and was launched first--that I had a problem. Further, if Flash was launched before PA (and ALSA apps weren't configured to route through PA's alsa wrapper), PA itself could not latch on to the sound card. Also, it's possible Adobe has since fixed the bug. This was a couple years ago, even before they added direct PulseAudio support to flash. the order is completely irrelavant. I start flash, xine, amarok, vlc, alsaplayer, whatever - and it just works. Without pulseaudio, jackd, esd, artsd etc pp. Do you say that because you've tested the various orders and know that one application will not conflict with another if started before that, or do you say that because you've never noticed a problem, despite not knowing the order you've started things? I don't use wine. For a lot of good reasons. Name one. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [Bulk] Re: [gentoo-user] Removing pulseaudio
On 04/18/2013 05:28 PM, Kevin Chadwick wrote: ... (i) It's a sound server, a description I don't understand. What does it _do_? Why do I want it? It seems to be an unnecessary layer of fat between sound applications and the kernel. If you don't understand the term sound server you probably shouldn't be using Gentoo. When I'm watching a YouTube video I still want to hear my email client go bing or my chat program alert me of my buddy coming online. That's not possible if my web-browser has a hard-wired path into my soundcard and ain't letting go. Just throwing out there that users can or atleast could use alsa plugs to have multiple applications. I did that before pulseaudio came along to play nfs carbon under cedega and listen to music. Still can. dmix is pretty cool. Still, that depends on applications not doing evil things with system audio. Flash (at least when I decided to get comfortable with PA) did evil things with system audio. Also I have never got around to looking into Jackd but isn't it meant to be by far the best. I know pro audio users use it and I have heard it is not the easiest to set up but is there any reason why it isn't the default setup. http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/JACK From a quick look at this jack can hook up multiple applications that seem to need to be set up individually. What's the scope for Jack a./ replacing pulseaudio b./ having a compat interface layer to make pulseaudio compatible apps talk to jack jackd would be awesome. It could be much, much easier for me to use than PA; my sound usage often goes beyond PA's ideal cases where they like to declare that things just work. Right now, PA is (somehow) bouncing back speaker audio back into application recording, despite my painstaking checking of the various defined places this is supposed to be controllable. Results in echoes in VOIP. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[gentoo-user] Re: Removing pulseaudio
Michael Mol: My particular discovery was that if I launched WoW under WINE, and then launched a browser, audio in WoW worked fine. If I launched the browser first (which resulted in a flash applet being loaded in GMail for the purpose of audio notifications for google talk), Flash grabbed the ALSA device and no WINE application could get at it. Routing both through PulseAudio solved the problem. Mhm. I have now started my SM and loaded the flash http://fun.from.hell.pl/2003-02-18/volare-karaoke.swf. Then i started wine playing tcc1, a mod of Might Magic 6. No problem with the sound. Shockwave Flash 11.2 r202 wine-1.5.28 No pulseaudio. ;) Hartmut
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Removing pulseaudio
On 04/18/2013 05:26 PM, Hartmut Figge wrote: Michael Mol: My particular discovery was that if I launched WoW under WINE, and then launched a browser, audio in WoW worked fine. If I launched the browser first (which resulted in a flash applet being loaded in GMail for the purpose of audio notifications for google talk), Flash grabbed the ALSA device and no WINE application could get at it. Routing both through PulseAudio solved the problem. Mhm. I have now started my SM and loaded the flash http://fun.from.hell.pl/2003-02-18/volare-karaoke.swf. Then i started wine playing tcc1, a mod of Might Magic 6. No problem with the sound. Shockwave Flash 11.2 r202 wine-1.5.28 No pulseaudio. ;) Sounds like they got that problem fixed, then. That's good. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Removing pulseaudio
Am 18.04.2013 23:10, schrieb Michael Mol: On 04/18/2013 04:43 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am 18.04.2013 22:13, schrieb Michael Mol: On 04/18/2013 04:02 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am 18.04.2013 21:48, schrieb Michael Mol: [snip] My particular discovery was that if I launched WoW under WINE, and then launched a browser, audio in WoW worked fine. If I launched the browser first (which resulted in a flash applet being loaded in GMail for the purpose of audio notifications for google talk), Flash grabbed the ALSA device and no WINE application could get at it. Routing both through PulseAudio solved the problem. /I can have as many flash instances as I want and still listen to stuff being played in vlc. Without pulseaudio crap. Maybe wine just sucks?/ Easy on the invective. Did you pay attention to the specific sequence of events I described? Or are you simply reporting that Flash works fine as an ALSA client along other concurrently reporting tasks, with no reference to the explicit order of the launch of things? Incidentally, WoW+WINE worked absolutely fine with other ALSA clients. It was only when Flash got added to the mix--and was launched first--that I had a problem. Further, if Flash was launched before PA (and ALSA apps weren't configured to route through PA's alsa wrapper), PA itself could not latch on to the sound card. Also, it's possible Adobe has since fixed the bug. This was a couple years ago, even before they added direct PulseAudio support to flash. the order is completely irrelavant. I start flash, xine, amarok, vlc, alsaplayer, whatever - and it just works. Without pulseaudio, jackd, esd, artsd etc pp. Do you say that because you've tested the various orders and know that one application will not conflict with another if started before that, or do you say that because you've never noticed a problem, despite not knowing the order you've started things? because I am using linux since Suse 6.2. And in that time I have listened to a lot of music, watched a lot of movies and did a lot of things in parallel. Just yesterday I watched a music video on youtube, while hunting for something sounding almost identical on my harddisk - using vlc. So firefoxflash and vlc were working fine. I don't use wine. For a lot of good reasons. Name one. fat, slow and buggy. Do you need more? If I really had an application that I must use and is windows only - I would install windows. That is a lot quicker and less painful than that wine crapfest shitting all over the place.
Re: [Bulk] Re: [gentoo-user] Removing pulseaudio
I don't use wine. For a lot of good reasons. Name one. fat, slow and buggy. Do you need more? If I really had an application that I must use and is windows only - I would install windows. That is a lot quicker and less painful than that wine crapfest shitting all over the place. I agree with a lot of good reasons primarily around security but I have to say I don't agree with this. Wine is far faster that Virtualbox or rebooting. Take adding bookmarks to pdfs which I sorted out yesterday. Install foxit on windows copy the directory to wine (install failed for me) and bang, sorted. Perhaps the latest poppler and okular can do bookmarks properly now? but there are other commercial apps required thankfully falling one by one. -- ___ 'Write programs that do one thing and do it well. Write programs to work together. Write programs to handle text streams, because that is a universal interface' (Doug McIlroy) ___
Re: [gentoo-user] Removing pulseaudio
On 04/18/2013 05:46 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am 18.04.2013 23:10, schrieb Michael Mol: [snip] Do you say that because you've tested the various orders and know that one application will not conflict with another if started before that, or do you say that because you've never noticed a problem, despite not knowing the order you've started things? because I am using linux since Suse 6.2. And in that time I have listened to a lot of music, watched a lot of movies and did a lot of things in parallel. Just yesterday I watched a music video on youtube, while hunting for something sounding almost identical on my harddisk - using vlc. So firefoxflash and vlc were working fine. I know you're smarter than this. You actively ignored my explicit description of a testable sequence of steps. Which Hartmut specifically tried, and in doing so that the problem I encountered is not currently present. By ignoring the sequence of steps, you're left with, well, nothing testable or verifiable. I don't use wine. For a lot of good reasons. Name one. fat, slow and buggy. Do you need more? Not from you, I suspect. At this point, I'm confident you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. By fat, I suppose you're referring to the number of additional binaries that land on your system. If you're going to implement the entire API of an operating system, even as a wrapper around native libraries, you're going to have a lot of code. That's just the way it is. As for slow...it's been documented from time to time that some applications run *faster* via WINE than on Windows. On one occasion, this was the result of the Linux drivers being faster than the Windows ones. As for buggy...Sure, not all of the APIs are implemented. Not all of them need to be. Bugfixes and such are prioritized by interest in the applications which need the buggy APIs, which is why many applications work fine. Heck, I have an application installed which *depends* on WINE, and this is part of that application's Linux version. I use it every day as part of my job, and so I can do my job from this laptop running Gentoo instead of a machine running Windows. If I really had an application that I must use and is windows only - I would install windows. That is a lot quicker and less painful than that wine crapfest shitting all over the place. ...The worst I've had has been WINE apps getting registered to handle some files. Unless you're referring to the idea that WINE was what was breaking my sound (itself clearly erroneous if you had read through the description of either my or Hartmut's steps), I really don't know what you're talking about, and I fear I'm just feeding a troll. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: evince - Error printing to PDF
On 04/18/13 17:25, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 18/04/2013 14:34, Hartmut Figge wrote: Stroller: On 18 April 2013, at 02:12, Joseph wrote: I have uninstalled cups-pdf and when I go any program print there is still option: Print to file except that now 'Save to folder by default is empty field, before if I remember was a user home directory. Well, I would have assumed that cups-pdf would be necessary for printing to PDF, but I would like to see a screenshot of this default empty field. I have not installed cups-pdf and don't use evince for printing. But i have tested the problem. After pressing File-Print... this window opens http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/ev130418.png Pressing 'Print' in this window results in the the error window unless the field 'Name:' with the prefilled value output.pdf is deleted and manually replaced by e.g. output.pdf. *g* The console error is regarding invalid UTF-8 strings in filenames. I'm betting the cause is idiotic filename munging by evince or one of the lower libraries involved, which makes it a bug. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com Here is a list of 149 packaged that I emerged one of them is responsible for implementation of that Print to File in Print window Can somebody help give me a hint which one it might be? By the way meld-1.7.0 is buggy don't use it, 1.6.0 works OK dev-python/python-exec-0.3.1 to / app-admin/apache-tools-2.2.24 to / app-admin/eselect-1.3.4 to / app-admin/eselect-python-2008 to / app-arch/libarchive-3.1.2-r1 to / app-arch/unrar-4.2.4 to / app-text/docbook-xsl-stylesheets-1.78.0 to / app-text/iso-codes-3.40 to / app-text/poppler-0.22.2-r2 to / app-text/poppler-data-0.4.6 to / app-text/rarian-0.8.1-r2 to / dev-db/sqlite-3.7.15.2 to / dev-java/icedtea-bin-6.1.12.4 to / dev-lang/lua-5.1.5 to / dev-lang/php-5.4.13 to / dev-lang/python-2.7.3-r3 to / dev-lang/python-3.2.3-r2 to / dev-lang/spidermonkey-1.8.5-r4 to / dev-libs/atk-2.6.0 to / dev-libs/dbus-glib-0.100.2 to / dev-libs/libcroco-0.6.8 to / dev-libs/libIDL-0.8.14 to / dev-libs/libx86-1.1-r3 to / dev-libs/libxml2-2.9.0-r2 to / dev-libs/libxslt-1.1.28-r1 to / dev-libs/mpc-1.0.1 to / dev-libs/nettle-2.6 to / dev-libs/nspr-4.9.5 to / dev-libs/vala-common-0.18.1 to / dev-perl/DBI-1.623.0 to / dev-perl/IO-Socket-SSL-1.840.0 to / dev-perl/Net-SSLeay-1.520.0 to / dev-python/dbus-python-1.1.1-r1 to / dev-python/numpy-1.6.2-r2 to / dev-python/pycairo-1.10.0-r4 to / dev-python/pygobject-2.28.6-r53 to / dev-python/pygtk-2.24.0-r3 to / dev-util/dialog-1.2.20121230 to / dev-util/meld-1.7.0 to / dev-vcs/git-1.8.1.5 to / gnome-base/gnome-common-3.6.0 to / gnome-base/gsettings-desktop-schemas-3.6.1 to / gnome-base/gvfs-1.12.3-r1 to / gnome-base/librsvg-2.36.4 to / gnome-base/orbit-2.14.19-r2 to / media-libs/alsa-lib-1.0.26-r1 to / media-libs/audiofile-0.3.5 to / media-libs/libcanberra-0.30-r1 to / media-sound/alsa-utils-1.0.26-r2 to / media-video/ffmpeg-0.10.6 to / net-analyzer/nmap-6.25 to / net-libs/gnutls-2.12.23 to / net-misc/asterisk-11.2.2 to / net-misc/curl-7.29.0-r1 to / net-misc/rdate-1.4-r4 to / net-print/cups-1.5.2-r4 to / perl-core/Archive-Tar-1.900.0 to / perl-core/CGI-3.630.0 to / perl-core/Compress-Raw-Bzip2-2.60.0 to / perl-core/Compress-Raw-Zlib-2.60.0 to / perl-core/CPAN-Meta-2.120.921 to / perl-core/CPAN-Meta-Requirements-2.122.0 to / perl-core/CPAN-Meta-YAML-0.8.0 to / perl-core/digest-base-1.170.0 to / perl-core/Digest-MD5-2.520.0 to / perl-core/Digest-SHA-5.820.0 to / perl-core/Encode-2.470.0 to / perl-core/ExtUtils-CBuilder-0.280.205 to / perl-core/ExtUtils-Install-1.540.0 to / perl-core/ExtUtils-MakeMaker-6.640.0 to / perl-core/ExtUtils-Manifest-1.610.0 to / perl-core/File-Spec-3.400.0 to / perl-core/IO-Compress-2.60.0 to / perl-core/IPC-Cmd-0.780.0 to / perl-core/MIME-Base64-3.130.0 to / perl-core/Module-Build-0.400.300 to / perl-core/Module-CoreList-2.800.0 to / perl-core/Module-Load-0.240.0 to / perl-core/Module-Load-Conditional-0.540.0 to / perl-core/Module-Metadata-1.0.11 to / perl-core/Params-Check-0.360.0 to / perl-core/Parse-CPAN-Meta-1.440.400 to / perl-core/Scalar-List-Utils-1.270.0 to / perl-core/Storable-2.390.0 to / perl-core/Sys-Syslog-0.320.0 to / perl-core/Test-Harness-3.260.0 to / perl-core/Time-Local-1.230.0 to / perl-core/version-0.990.100 to / sci-calculators/galculator-2.1 to / sys-apps/kmod-12-r1 to / sys-apps/man-pages-3.47 to / sys-apps/portage-2.1.11.55 to / sys-apps/sysvinit-2.88-r4 to / sys-apps/texinfo-4.13-r2 to / sys-apps/util-linux-2.22.2 to / sys-devel/autoconf-2.69 to / sys-devel/automake-1.12.6 to / sys-devel/gcc-4.5.4 to / sys-devel/gettext-0.18.2 to / sys-fs/udisks-1.0.4-r5 to / sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-3.7.10 to / sys-kernel/linux-headers-3.7 to / sys-libs/timezone-data-2012j to / sys-power/upower-0.9.20-r2 to / sys-process/procps-3.3.4 to / virtual/perl-Archive-Tar-1.900.0 to / virtual/perl-CGI-3.630.0 to
