[gentoo-user] Re: Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-02-26 Thread Nicolas Sebrecht
The 26/02/14, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: Sabayon uses binary packages, isn't? Yes. Then eselect perhaps uninstalls some packages and installs others? I don't know the code, sorry. Since I've already tried the 'eselect init' command, I'm pretty sure it

[gentoo-user] Re: technical review of systemd

2014-02-26 Thread Nicolas Sebrecht
The 25/02/14, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: Perhaps they are starting small? I don't know; I'm pretty sure they are. BTW, things are moving fast and the state has already changed since my last check (not so old). from what I've read, they want

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-02-26 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 21.02.2014 23:43, schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: And now with 209 there is a new systemd-networkd deamon that is started by default even if not configured or used. http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_itempx=MTYxMTI $ ./configure --help | grep networkd --disable-networkd

[gentoo-user] Re: Fwd:How about the gentoo server or cluster in production environment?

2014-02-26 Thread Nicolas Sebrecht
The 21/02/14, Andrew Savchenko wrote: Any decent security setup contains multiple layers of protection. Use of non-standard binaries, algorithms or implementations is just one of them and it is the simplest math to prove that security is _improved_ this way. The algorithms and

[gentoo-user] Re: Fwd:How about the gentoo server or cluster in production environment?

2014-02-26 Thread Nicolas Sebrecht
The 21/02/14, hasufell wrote: So you are saying compiling a minimal kernel to minimize exposure to subsystem bugs is only obscurity? (I really wonder what Greg would say to this) Developers made the kernel to rely on modules. Distributions relies on them. Since they are almost always loaded

[gentoo-user] missing dependencies

2014-02-26 Thread Francisco Ares
Hi All, It has been for a while, now: every now and then, when updating a perl module, it fails to emerge. Checking the log, it is possible to see something like this, when I tied to update dev-perl/File-MimeInfo : ... Checking prerequisites... requires: ! File::BaseDir is not installed

[gentoo-user] Re: Fwd:How about the gentoo server or cluster in production environment?

2014-02-26 Thread Nicolas Sebrecht
The 21/02/14, Andrew Savchenko wrote: Are you considering Bruce Schneier's advice as a stupid nonsense? In his Applied cryptography he recommended one of the ways to straighten a system: to use not so frequently used algorithms instead of selected standards because less frequently used

Re: [gentoo-user] missing dependencies

2014-02-26 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 26 Feb 2014 08:12:35 -0300, Francisco Ares wrote: At first I thought it was a one and only case. But as time goes by, there has been perl packages that refuse to emerge at first, and then, checking the emerge log, finding missing modules and manually emerging them, everything goes as

Re: [gentoo-user] missing dependencies

2014-02-26 Thread David M. Fellows
On Wed, 26 Feb 2014 08:12:35 -0300 Francisco Ares wrote - --001a113311e686e7f304f34d4a39 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi All, It has been for a while, now: every now and then, when updating a perl module, it fails to emerge. Checking the log, it is possible to see something

Re: [gentoo-user] missing dependencies

2014-02-26 Thread Francisco Ares
2014-02-26 8:54 GMT-03:00 Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk: On Wed, 26 Feb 2014 08:12:35 -0300, Francisco Ares wrote: At first I thought it was a one and only case. But as time goes by, there has been perl packages that refuse to emerge at first, and then, checking the emerge log,

Re: [gentoo-user] missing dependencies

2014-02-26 Thread Francisco Ares
2014-02-26 8:54 GMT-03:00 David M. Fellows fell...@unb.ca: On Wed, 26 Feb 2014 08:12:35 -0300 Francisco Ares wrote - --001a113311e686e7f304f34d4a39 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi All, It has been for a while, now: every now and then, when updating a perl module, it

Re: [gentoo-user] missing dependencies

2014-02-26 Thread Francisco Ares
2014-02-26 9:30 GMT-03:00 Francisco Ares fra...@gmail.com: 2014-02-26 8:54 GMT-03:00 David M. Fellows fell...@unb.ca: On Wed, 26 Feb 2014 08:12:35 -0300 Francisco Ares wrote - --001a113311e686e7f304f34d4a39 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi All, It has been for a while,

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Fwd:How about the gentoo server or cluster in production environment?

2014-02-26 Thread Poison BL.
On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 5:55 AM, Nicolas Sebrecht nsebre...@piing.fr wrote: The 21/02/14, hasufell wrote: So you are saying compiling a minimal kernel to minimize exposure to subsystem bugs is only obscurity? (I really wonder what Greg would say to this) Developers made the kernel to rely

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Fwd:How about the gentoo server or cluster in production environment?

2014-02-26 Thread hasufell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Alan McKinnon: On 21/02/2014 16:15, hasufell wrote: Alan McKinnon: On 20/02/2014 22:41, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 08:52:07PM +0400, Andrew Savchenko wrote: And this point is one of the highest security benefits in

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Fwd:How about the gentoo server or cluster in production environment?

2014-02-26 Thread hasufell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Nicolas Sebrecht: The 21/02/14, hasufell wrote: So you are saying compiling a minimal kernel to minimize exposure to subsystem bugs is only obscurity? (I really wonder what Greg would say to this) Developers made the kernel to rely on

[gentoo-user] Re: Fwd:How about the gentoo server or cluster in production environment?

2014-02-26 Thread Nicolas Sebrecht
The 26/02/14, hasufell wrote: I wasn't only talking about modules and yes... loading them on demand actually proves my point. No. We are talking about servers. -- Nicolas Sebrecht

[gentoo-user] Peeve - finding kernel config options

2014-02-26 Thread Tanstaafl
Hello all, This is for those of use who to choose to roll our kernels by hand... So, am I missing something? Given the most recent gentoo news item: # eselect news read 10 2014-02-25-udev-upgrade Title Upgrade to =sys-fs/udev-210 AuthorSamuli

Re: [gentoo-user] Peeve - finding kernel config options

2014-02-26 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 26 Feb 2014 14:58:44 -0500, Tanstaafl wrote: Given the most recent gentoo news item: # eselect news read 10 2014-02-25-udev-upgrade Title Upgrade to =sys-fs/udev-210 AuthorSamuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org Posted

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-02-26 Thread Walter Dnes
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 12:32:32AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote Is it like perl? Support every possible way to do something if it remotely makes sense to do it, no matter how bizarre the syntax? The (d)evolution of perl reminds me of what's happened to Firefox, GNOME, and KDE. To paraphrase

Re: [gentoo-user] Peeve - finding kernel config options

2014-02-26 Thread Poison BL.
On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 2:58 PM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: Hello all, This is for those of use who to choose to roll our kernels by hand... So, am I missing something? Given the most recent gentoo news item: # eselect news read 10 2014-02-25-udev-upgrade Title

[gentoo-user] Re: Peeve - finding kernel config options

2014-02-26 Thread »Q«
On Wed, 26 Feb 2014 14:58:44 -0500 Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: I had to find the first one (CONFIG_FHANDLE) by: 1. grepping .config, seeing it wasn't enabled, 2. running make menuconfig and searching for 'FHANDLE', 3. seeing it is located in 'General setup', And seeing that

Re: [gentoo-user] Peeve - finding kernel config options

2014-02-26 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2/26/2014 3:05 PM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: Run make menuconfig Press / Type FHANDLE Then you can see it is enabled by switching on systemd support in the Gentoo specific options. I did say that I know how to search - that is how I was able to find it. But... I don't

Re: [gentoo-user] Peeve - finding kernel config options

2014-02-26 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 26 Feb 2014 16:41:22 -0500, Tanstaafl wrote: Run make menuconfig Press / Type FHANDLE Then you can see it is enabled by switching on systemd support in the Gentoo specific options. I did say that I know how to search - that is how I was able to find it. But... I

Re: [gentoo-user] Peeve - finding kernel config options

2014-02-26 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote: On the first system I tried to do this on, I needed to enable that option before the FHANDLE option even showed up. I hate when you have to enable something else for the one you are looking for to show up. picture emoticon banging head on brick wall Dale :-) :-) --

Re: [gentoo-user] Peeve - finding kernel config options

2014-02-26 Thread wraeth
Neil Bothwick wrote: I hate when you have to enable something else for the one you are looking for to show up. Pro-tip: In menuconfig you can press z to show all available kernel options regardless of their dependency state. This means that items that are hidden because of unmet dependencies

Re: [gentoo-user] Peeve - finding kernel config options

2014-02-26 Thread Dale
wraeth wrote: Neil Bothwick wrote: I hate when you have to enable something else for the one you are looking for to show up. Pro-tip: In menuconfig you can press z to show all available kernel options regardless of their dependency state. This means that items that are hidden because of

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Fwd:How about the gentoo server or cluster in production environment?

2014-02-26 Thread hasufell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Nicolas Sebrecht: The 26/02/14, hasufell wrote: I wasn't only talking about modules and yes... loading them on demand actually proves my point. No. We are talking about servers. I am aware of that. Please read the whole discussion.

[gentoo-user] Modifying Suspend Script?

2014-02-26 Thread Lee
Hi, I always need to reconnect my laptop pcmcia wireless card to my WAP when awaking from suspend. It would be nice if I could add two commands, ifconfig and dhpcd, to the script which controls awaking from suspend. Anyone know which file I can edit?

Re: [gentoo-user] Modifying Suspend Script?

2014-02-26 Thread Nilesh Govindrajan
On 27 Feb 2014 08:06, Lee ny6...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I always need to reconnect my laptop pcmcia wireless card to my WAP when awaking from suspend. It would be nice if I could add two commands, ifconfig and dhpcd, to the script which controls awaking from suspend. Anyone know which file I can

Re: [gentoo-user] Peeve - finding kernel config options

2014-02-26 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 26/02/2014 21:58, Tanstaafl wrote: Hello all, This is for those of use who to choose to roll our kernels by hand... So, am I missing something? Given the most recent gentoo news item: # eselect news read 10 2014-02-25-udev-upgrade Title Upgrade to