Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone else having a problem with bash?

2015-07-13 Thread Joerg Schilling
Martin Vaeth mar...@mvath.de wrote: Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: As a scripting language, Bash is probably better This is not true, either: Although finally bash took some of the features of zsh (arrays, regular expression matching, etc.) there are still many features missing

Re: [gentoo-user] Securely deletion of an HDD

2015-07-13 Thread Marc Joliet
Am Sun, 12 Jul 2015 22:43:44 +0200 schrieb Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com: http://www.howtogeek.com/115573/htg-explains-why-you-only-have-to-wipe-a-disk-once-to-erase-it/ Yeah, that was linked from the Arch wiki I looked at.

Re: [gentoo-user] Securely deletion of an HDD

2015-07-13 Thread Rich Freeman
On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 4:05 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 12.07.2015 um 23:30 schrieb Rich Freeman: Impossible is a pretty bold claim. You need proof, not evidence that a particular recovery technique didn't work. I can demonstrate very clearly that I'm

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone else having a problem with bash?

2015-07-13 Thread Joerg Schilling
Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/07/15 02:34, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: I tried it [zsh], for exactly 10 seconds. My home/end keys didn't work. This gave me the impression of an unfinished project. Why on earth would anyone release a program after 1990 that doesn't know the

Re: [gentoo-user] Securely deletion of an HDD

2015-07-13 Thread Joerg Schilling
Marc Joliet mar...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, I have to failed drives that I want to give away for recycling purposes, but want to be sure to properly clear them first. They used be part of a btrfs The test patterns used on Solaris and marked with federal requirements are: int purge_patterns[]= {

Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone's kernel getting panicky????

2015-07-13 Thread Alex Thorne
I'm on 4.1.2 with no problems. Sorry to check the obvious, are you sure you copied your config over from your previous kernel? The only time I got a kernel panic after a minor kernel upgrade was when I forgot to do this and as a result compiled the default kernel without support for LVM. Alex On

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone else having a problem with bash?

2015-07-13 Thread Joerg Schilling
Martin Vaeth mar...@mvath.de wrote: Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: In one sub-thread we've so far managed to cover: Bash vs Zsh Vim vs Emacs Perl vs Python not to forget: POSIX vs Bash Let us better call it bash vs. POSIX, as bash tried to ignore long existing rules just

Re: [gentoo-user] Securely deletion of an HDD

2015-07-13 Thread Marc Joliet
Am Mon, 13 Jul 2015 01:50:57 + schrieb Thomas Mueller mueller6...@bellsouth.net: All that has been said on this thread supposes that the hard drive is still readable and writable. But the original post stated this was a failed drive. Then you might not be able to dd if=/dev/zero

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone else having a problem with bash?

2015-07-13 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Monday 13 July 2015 11:21:22 Joerg Schilling wrote: Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/07/15 02:34, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: I tried it [zsh], for exactly 10 seconds. My home/end keys didn't work. This gave me the impression of an unfinished project. Why on earth would

Re: [gentoo-user] Securely deletion of an HDD

2015-07-13 Thread Marc Joliet
Am Sun, 12 Jul 2015 18:32:39 +0200 schrieb Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com: Am 12.07.2015 um 14:35 schrieb Marc Joliet: Hi, I have to failed drives that I want to give away for recycling purposes, but want to be sure to properly clear them first. They used be part of a

[gentoo-user] How to avoid perl harbor (pun intended)

2015-07-13 Thread walt
Today's update started as a disaster: perl wants to upgrade from 5.20.2 to 5.22.0, but all of my existing perl modules insist on having 5.20.2 so the perl update blocks and then emerge stopped with an error and left the whole mess for me to solve. (To me this appears to be a bug in the perl

[gentoo-user] Re: zsh: not so bad?

2015-07-13 Thread Martin Vaeth
Alon Bar-Lev alo...@gentoo.org wrote: Only issue I could not find a solution to is tab completion after '=', for example: xxx --file=TAB This will not complete files, while it will be nice if it does. For standard commands, it works as it should. For instance, tar --file=TAB chmod

Re: [gentoo-user] How to avoid perl harbor (pun intended)

2015-07-13 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 05:19:46 -0700, walt wrote: Today's update started as a disaster: perl wants to upgrade from 5.20.2 to 5.22.0, but all of my existing perl modules insist on having 5.20.2 so the perl update blocks and then emerge stopped with an error and left the whole mess for me to

[gentoo-user] Re: google

2015-07-13 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2015-07-10, Alec Ten Harmsel a...@alectenharmsel.com wrote: Do you folks notice that google is triying to control the way we live?! belive me or not, sometimes I feel I am living in the 1984 novel ?! What? They don’t control the way I live. Which is _exactly_ what you would post if

[gentoo-user] xen doesn't work

2015-07-13 Thread hw
Hi, I'm trying to get a windoze 7 to run as a domU on a fresh install of gentoo with xen. I need to use the installer ISO to boot from and to install into a partition on a physical disk. Running 'xl -vvv create /etc/xen/ws-01.hvm' gives me the following messages: Parsing config from

[gentoo-user] Re: Anyone else having a problem with bash?

2015-07-13 Thread Martin Vaeth
Joerg Schilling joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote: Martin Vaeth mar...@mvath.de wrote: This is not true, either: Although finally bash took some of the features of zsh (arrays, regular expression matching, etc.) there are still many features missing in bash (extended globbing, many

[gentoo-user] Re: Securely deletion of an HDD

2015-07-13 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2015-07-12, Marc Joliet mar...@gmx.de wrote: With regards to the other replies: I think physical destruction is unnecessary, and I don't really want to go through the trouble. If it's trouble rather than fun, then you're doing it wrong. :) There's thermite:

[gentoo-user] Re: How to avoid perl harbor (pun intended)

2015-07-13 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 13/07/15 15:19, walt wrote: Today's update started as a disaster: perl wants to upgrade from 5.20.2 to 5.22.0, but all of my existing perl modules insist on having 5.20.2 so the perl update blocks and then emerge stopped with an error and left the whole mess for me to solve. (To me this

Re: [gentoo-user] How to avoid perl harbor (pun intended)

2015-07-13 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 13/07/2015 14:58, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 05:19:46 -0700, walt wrote: Today's update started as a disaster: perl wants to upgrade from 5.20.2 to 5.22.0, but all of my existing perl modules insist on having 5.20.2 so the perl update blocks and then emerge stopped with an

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone else having a problem with bash?

2015-07-13 Thread Joerg Schilling
Martin Vaeth mar...@mvath.de wrote: Joerg Schilling joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote: bash vs. POSIX, as bash tried to ignore long existing rules just because the bash maintainer did not understand them. Are there really several? I know only one such example: One is that sh -ce

Re: [gentoo-user] How to avoid perl harbor (pun intended)

2015-07-13 Thread Simon Thelen
On 15-07-13 at 05:19, walt wrote: Today's update started as a disaster: perl wants to upgrade from 5.20.2 to 5.22.0, but all of my existing perl modules insist on having 5.20.2 so the perl update blocks and then emerge stopped with an error and left the whole mess for me to solve. (To me this

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone else having a problem with bash?

2015-07-13 Thread Joerg Schilling
Martin Vaeth mar...@mvath.de wrote: Joerg Schilling joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote: Martin Vaeth mar...@mvath.de wrote: This is not true, either: Although finally bash took some of the features of zsh (arrays, regular expression matching, etc.) there are still many features

[gentoo-user] Re: How to avoid perl harbor (pun intended)

2015-07-13 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 13/07/15 16:01, Simon Thelen wrote: On 15-07-13 at 05:19, walt wrote: Today's update started as a disaster: perl wants to upgrade from 5.20.2 to 5.22.0, but all of my existing perl modules insist on having 5.20.2 so the perl update blocks and then emerge stopped with an error [...] It

[gentoo-user] Re: Anyone else having a problem with bash?

2015-07-13 Thread Martin Vaeth
Joerg Schilling joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote: bash vs. POSIX, as bash tried to ignore long existing rules just because the bash maintainer did not understand them. Are there really several? I know only one such example: bash insists on compound commands ({ ... } or ( ... )) for

[gentoo-user] New install, can't load modules

2015-07-13 Thread Alan McKinnon
Did a new install, the new kernel can't load modules: # modprobe nfsv3 modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'nfsv3': Exec format error Odd. Never had this before. The module file itself is a regular 64-bit ELF file, just as it should be (compared to a working module on another machine) gcc is

Re: [gentoo-user] New install, can't load modules

2015-07-13 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 13/07/2015 18:42, Alexander Kapshuk wrote: On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 5:29 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: Did a new install, the new kernel can't load modules: # modprobe nfsv3 modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'nfsv3': Exec format error Odd. Never had this before. The

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT} CPU question

2015-07-13 Thread Meino . Cramer
Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com [15-07-13 20:36]: On 13/07/15 19:04, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Are crosscompilers freely available for it (or is this CPU even i386 compatible) It's x86 and x86-64 compatible (it's a 64-bit CPU). With -march=native, GCC will use the most appropriate

Re: [gentoo-user] New install, can't load modules

2015-07-13 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 13/07/2015 19:47, Mick wrote: On Monday 13 Jul 2015 17:42:22 Alexander Kapshuk wrote: On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 5:29 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: Did a new install, the new kernel can't load modules: # modprobe nfsv3 modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'nfsv3': Exec

Re: [gentoo-user] xen doesn't work

2015-07-13 Thread hydra
On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 3:01 PM, hw h...@gartencenter-vaehning.de wrote: Hi, I'm trying to get a windoze 7 to run as a domU on a fresh install of gentoo with xen. I need to use the installer ISO to boot from and to install into a partition on a physical disk. Running 'xl -vvv create

Re: [gentoo-user] zsh: not so bad?

2015-07-13 Thread Alon Bar-Lev
On 13 July 2015 at 10:12, Alon Bar-Lev alo...@gentoo.org wrote: On 13 July 2015 at 04:52, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe someone here has missed the recent discussion of zsh? ;) I just found this website, giving a wonderful primer on how to configure zsh:

[gentoo-user] [OT} CPU question

2015-07-13 Thread Meino . Cramer
Hi, I am on the way to decide for a tablet PC (7) to use it as a platform for installing Linux (preferred: Gentoo!) on it and compile software for it for usage of decoding shortwave audio transmissions (i.e. morse code, sstv, etc.) for example. I mean this NOT performance wise or anything else

Re: [gentoo-user] New install, can't load modules

2015-07-13 Thread Alexander Kapshuk
On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 5:29 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: Did a new install, the new kernel can't load modules: # modprobe nfsv3 modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'nfsv3': Exec format error Odd. Never had this before. The module file itself is a regular 64-bit ELF file,

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Securely deletion of an HDD

2015-07-13 Thread Marc Joliet
Am Mon, 13 Jul 2015 15:03:10 + (UTC) schrieb Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com: On 2015-07-12, Marc Joliet mar...@gmx.de wrote: With regards to the other replies: I think physical destruction is unnecessary, and I don't really want to go through the trouble. If it's trouble

[gentoo-user] xen: How to enable a non-existant USE flag? (xen doesn't work)

2015-07-13 Thread hw
So what happened to the 'hvm' USE flag of the xen-tools package? http://gentoobrowse.randomdan.homeip.net/package/app-emulation/xen-tools says there is such a flag. However: moonflo ~ # equery uses xen-tools [ Legend : U - final flag setting for installation] [: I - package is

Re: [gentoo-user] New install, can't load modules

2015-07-13 Thread Mick
On Monday 13 Jul 2015 17:42:22 Alexander Kapshuk wrote: On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 5:29 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: Did a new install, the new kernel can't load modules: # modprobe nfsv3 modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'nfsv3': Exec format error Odd. Never had

[gentoo-user] Re: [OT} CPU question

2015-07-13 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 13/07/15 19:04, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Are crosscompilers freely available for it (or is this CPU even i386 compatible) It's x86 and x86-64 compatible (it's a 64-bit CPU). With -march=native, GCC will use the most appropriate instruction sets for this CPU.

Re: [gentoo-user] xen: How to enable a non-existant USE flag? (xen doesn't work)

2015-07-13 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 13/07/2015 19:22, hw wrote: So what happened to the 'hvm' USE flag of the xen-tools package? http://gentoobrowse.randomdan.homeip.net/package/app-emulation/xen-tools says there is such a flag. However: moonflo ~ # equery uses xen-tools [ Legend : U - final flag setting for

Re: [gentoo-user] New install, can't load modules

2015-07-13 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 13/07/2015 18:42, Alexander Kapshuk wrote: On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 5:29 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: Did a new install, the new kernel can't load modules: # modprobe nfsv3 modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'nfsv3': Exec format error Odd. Never had this before. The

Re: [gentoo-user] xen: How to enable a non-existant USE flag? (xen doesn't work)

2015-07-13 Thread Mike Gilbert
On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 1:22 PM, hw h...@gartencenter-vaehning.de wrote: So what happened to the 'hvm' USE flag of the xen-tools package? Something is wrong with your repository. The flag is there. I would suggest that you start by disabling any overlays, and run emerge --sync. floppym@naomi

Re: [gentoo-user] New install, can't load modules

2015-07-13 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 23:02:15 +0100, Mick wrote: /boot in fstab had option noauto, so all my kernels were installed to the / volume. Ahh! I always mount /boot BEFORE I cd into /usr/src out of habit, to avoid such a problem (my /boot is also set to noauto). If I were 10 years younger

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to avoid perl harbor (pun intended)

2015-07-13 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 16:31:18 +0300, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: It worked for me after I added --backtrack=30 That was it. After using that option, it works. So I guess the default value is not good enough. That explains why I had no problem, I have --backtrack=20 in EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS

Re: [gentoo-user] New install, can't load modules

2015-07-13 Thread Mick
On Monday 13 Jul 2015 20:50:47 Alan McKinnon wrote: /boot in fstab had option noauto, so all my kernels were installed to the / volume. Ahh! I always mount /boot BEFORE I cd into /usr/src out of habit, to avoid such a problem (my /boot is also set to noauto). If I were 10 years younger I

Re: [gentoo-user] New install, can't load modules

2015-07-13 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 14/07/2015 00:02, Mick wrote: On Monday 13 Jul 2015 20:50:47 Alan McKinnon wrote: /boot in fstab had option noauto, so all my kernels were installed to the / volume. Ahh! I always mount /boot BEFORE I cd into /usr/src out of habit, to avoid such a problem (my /boot is also set to

[gentoo-user] Re: How to avoid perl harbor (pun intended) [SOLVED]

2015-07-13 Thread walt
On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 05:19:46 -0700 walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: Today's update started as a disaster: perl wants to upgrade from 5.20.2 to 5.22.0, but all of my existing perl modules insist on having 5.20.2 so the perl update blocks and then emerge stopped with an error The problem was

[gentoo-user] Re: php (error?)

2015-07-13 Thread James
Michael Orlitzky mjo at gentoo.org writes: You can file a bug upstream. They might not know the old name is deprecated. Here's the reference: Yea, ok, I'll get around to this sooner or later. THX! (to all for info) http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/info-gnu/2013-06/msg9.html -

Re: [gentoo-user] zsh: not so bad?

2015-07-13 Thread Alon Bar-Lev
On 13 July 2015 at 04:52, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe someone here has missed the recent discussion of zsh? ;) I just found this website, giving a wonderful primer on how to configure zsh: http://wiki.redbrick.dcu.ie/mw/Account_Customisation_(zsh) I also moved to zsh just to check.

[gentoo-user] Re: zsh: not so bad?

2015-07-13 Thread Martin Vaeth
Andrew Tselischev andre...@farlander.net wrote: On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 06:52:35PM -0700, walt wrote: [...] http://wiki.redbrick.dcu.ie/mw/Account_Customisation_(zsh) Note that this does not activate all features e.g. concerning completion: You can have files displayed in your custom ls colors

Re: [gentoo-user] zsh: not so bad?

2015-07-13 Thread Leonardo Guilherme
I moved to zsh and never looked back, like, never. This is what hooked me: http://ohmyz.sh/ It has been a wonderful experience ever since. Em seg, 13 de jul de 2015 às 04:14, Alon Bar-Lev alo...@gentoo.org escreveu: On 13 July 2015 at 04:52, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe someone here

[gentoo-user] KP_Decimal-Solved

2015-07-13 Thread Roger Cahn
Have you tried another (differnt make/model) keyboard? If you get the same problem,it is software related, if it goes away, then you are good to go. In Parameters Keyboard Settings I found a line with Command . and shortcut . I removed it, and now it's ok. Thank you for your answers Roger

Re: [gentoo-user] Securely deletion of an HDD

2015-07-13 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am 12.07.2015 um 23:30 schrieb Rich Freeman: On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 5:20 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: read the second link I provided. I did. It contains no theoretical arguments against the possibility yes it does. of data recovery. Theoretical limits

Re: [gentoo-user] Securely deletion of an HDD

2015-07-13 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am 13.07.2015 um 03:50 schrieb Thomas Mueller: All that has been said on this thread supposes that the hard drive is still readable and writable. But the original post stated this was a failed drive. Then you might not be able to dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdx .. or whatever else. You would