Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE and the new plasma 5 thing

[J. Roeleveld]

On Tuesday, April 12, 2016 10:55:54 PM Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On 12/04/2016 22:46, Frank Steinmetzger wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 10:18:50PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> >>> [...] I wasn't aware of Spectacle. I've just tried it an is seems to do
> >>> much the same as ksnapshot, just with a lot more white space in the UI -
> >>> but WTF do they block one another, they're only screen shot programs?
> >> 
> >> [...]
> >> I unblocked them here, and re-emerged both. Nothing extra was pulled in,
> >> so there are no conflicting libs.
> >> 
> >> Unfortunately I can't attach a screenshot as proof - both remove their
> >> own window to do the capture :-)
> > 
> > import -window root screenshot.png
> 
> Huh. S now 2 days after updating all of kde, I get to do it again. Lots
> and lots and lots of these:
> 
> [ebuild U  ] kde-frameworks/krunner-5.21.0:5/5.21::gentoo
> [5.20.0:5/5.20::gentoo]

Are you running "unstable"?

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and the new plasma 5 thing

[Daniel Frey]

On 04/12/16 19:55, Dale wrote:

> If anyone is brave enough to file a bug, I can say that it doesn't focus
> on the password here either.  It selects the user but that's it.  Since
> it works on some themes and not others, makes one wonder if the theme
> has something to do with it. 
> 
> Dale
> 
> :-)  :-) 

Apparently it does have something to do with the theme. I found this by
accident when looking around for more themes:

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=337079

I supposed if you wanted to edit it yourself it could be fixed.

Dan

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and the new plasma 5 thing

[Dale]

J. Roeleveld wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 12, 2016 01:21:37 PM Dale wrote:
>> J. Roeleveld wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, April 12, 2016 02:04:47 AM Dale wrote:
 <<< SNIP >>>


 Dale

 :-)  :-)
>>> Dale,
>>>
>>> Considering the amount of changes, did you reboot the system or at least
>>> killed everything running at least once?
>>>
>>> That should also help with the stability.
>>>
>>> Also, I used the following 2 meta-packages:
>>> kde-apps/kde-apps-meta
>>> kde-plasma/plasma-meta
>>>
>>> This gave me most stuff, including the configuration for virtual desktop
>>> in the same place (SystemSettings)
>>>
>>> Start that, then search for "Virtual Desktops" and the only working icon
>>> is
>>> where you need to be.
>>>
>>> The pager thing to select the virtual desktops appears magically then.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Joost
>> Update and some info for Joost.
> Thanks, as I now have a bit more time, I will add my own thoughts as well.
>
>> I been playing with this a while and found some things.  First, I had to
>> get to the settings part which would only give a error working.  When I
>> got to the edit part, I figured out that for some reason, it was still
>> trying to run the KDE4 command, which was removed during the upgrade of
>> course.  So, I got that back by giving it the new command,
>> systemsettings5 I think was it.  That helped.
> Hmm, I actually started it from the K-menu. When it's opened, you can search 
> through all the entries by simply typing.
> I did do an " emerge --depclean " before trying to configure things. Eg. 
> systemsettings for kde4 disappeared already.

That is sort of what I was trying to do except I was looking for the
actual menu entry.  The problem is, the one for settings was not using
the correct command.  I'm not sure what to think about that.  Anyway,
after I fixed that, that lead to a lot more fixes on other things. 


>> Once in there, I found
>> lots of things to help get things to where I could work with them.  I
>> found out that I could add multiple desktops back and at that point, the
>> desktop pager thingy appeared and worked.  I guess when it is set to 1
>> desktop, it doesn't show up or something.
> Which seems logical behaviour to me. And the same happened here after 
> configuring it.
>

It is logical.  I knew I had to enable multiple desktops but since the
settings thing wasn't working, I couldn't figure out how to enable it. 
When I did a google search, I saw where several folks said it was gone
which caused me great concern.  I got to much stuff going on right now
to redo my whole setup. 


>> I also got it to where it
>> wouldn't turn my monitor off and lock the screen if I turned my head a
>> minute.
> I use my laptop also when at "public" places, like at a customer. Which means 
> the auto-lock-screen-after-5-minutes is a useful feature.
> Now if only I could have that time auto-adjusted based on the network it's 
> connected to? :)

Yea, the setting it had would be good for a public place or a laptop
that can be any number of places.  For my desktop tho, it was way to
quick.  Actually, I disabled the lock part.  I just want my monitor to
turn off after a while.  If I want to lock the screen, I just use the
keyboard shortcut ctrl alt L. 


>> Then I found out how to adjust the size of fonts in a lot of
>> other places.  Now that helped a lot.  I was using a magnifying glass to
>> read some stuff.  I also set the numlock to on.  I have numbers in my
>> password and that was getting annoying to have to turn on.
>>
>> I very rarely reboot.  After a big upgrade, I just go to single user,
>> use the checkrestart command to be sure and then go back to default
>> runlevel.  I also generally clear the cache and such too.  I restart or
>> kill anything checkrestart shows if needed.
> I had issues where checkrestart wouldn't kill enough, or didn't notice 
> changes 
> to configuration. Hibernate (eg. suspend-to-disk) didn't work from kde until 
> I 
> rebooted.

I've never had that here.  It seems to always work for me but you may
have something installed that I don't. 

>> I do have those packages installed.  I emerged plasma-meta and that
>> pulled in a lot.  Since I run some unstable stuff already, I had to
>> adjust some things to get emerge happy.  After that, it was a large
>> download and a lot of compile time.
> Those 2 pull in nearly everything.
>
>> As it is, the biggest thing is that it doesn't seem to carry over
>> settings from KDE4.  It seems to start out fresh just like if it was a
>> clean install.
> That is actually mentioned in the upgrade-guide. Just not in so-many words.
> I actually think that's a good thing as a lot of the issues I had when first 
> switching to KDE4 was caused by left-over settings from KDE3. A fresh start 
> helped a lot.

If I recall correctly, when I did the upgrade from KDE3 to KDE4, I tried
to use my old settings.  It was a mess.  I ended up renaming the
directory and starting fresh.  Some things were just weird.  

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and the new plasma 5 thing

[Dale]

Marc Joliet wrote:
>
> On Tuesday 12 April 2016 22:10:10 Frank Steinmetzger wrote:
>
> >I don't particularly like SDDM. I does not allow me to log in using
> just the
>
> >keyboard, I always have to click into the password field after it
> loaded up.
>
> >The field is neither active by default nor can I select it with Tab.
> Call it
>
> >a nitpick, but even Windows lets me enter my password without a
> mouse. Is it
>
> >a problem with my VM or can you confirm this?
>
>  
>
> I find it depends on the SDDM theme used. After the upgrade, on both
> systems, SDDM used Maui by default, with which I had two problems: the
> password field never started out focused, and it would always display
> that I had selected an English locale... except the instant I press a
> key, it would switch to German -- apparently a UI issue :-/ . I
> subsequently switched to the Breeze theme and haven't had any serious
> issues since -- SDDM doesn't show my user's avatar, while the screen
> locker does, but that's it, I think).
>
>  
>
> HTH
>
> -- 
>
> Marc Joliet
>
> --
>
> "People who think they know everything really annoy those of us who
> know we
>
> don't" - Bjarne Stroustrup
>
>  
>


If anyone is brave enough to file a bug, I can say that it doesn't focus
on the password here either.  It selects the user but that's it.  Since
it works on some themes and not others, makes one wonder if the theme
has something to do with it. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and the new plasma 5 thing

[Neil Bothwick]

On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 14:00:37 -0700, Daniel Frey wrote:

> > That's because kdm is dead. I found sddm a little flakey. On my
> > laptop it works more or less as expected, but on my desktop,
> > selecting reboot or power off from the desktop drops me back to sddm
> > without rebooting. I'm nit sure if this is an issue with sddm or
> > plasma, maybe I'll try slim instead.

> SDDM was doing that to me too until I created a default config.

That appears to have worked, thanks.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE and the new plasma 5 thing

[Neil Bothwick]

On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 22:17:38 +0200, J. Roeleveld wrote:

> > I don't use the meta packages, preferring to define my own set with
> > the packages I want, so I wasn't aware of Spectacle. I've just tried
> > it an is seems to do much the same as ksnapshot, just with a lot more
> > white space in the UI  
> 
> Don't forget:
> - No auto-incrementing of screenshot-numbers
> - Always defaults to PNG (Why!?!!?!)
> - Always defaults to a the ~/Pictures folder
>(Folder can be adjusted in the settings, but why not the previous
> one)
> - When wanting to use "save as...", you first need to click the little
> triangle

OK I accept when you start to actually use it rather than just giving it
a try, it sucks!! 
 
> > - but WTF do they block one another, they're only screen shot
> > programs?  
> 
> I read somewhere there is a "wrapper" included to call Spectacle when
> someone tries to start "ksnapshot"...

So it's a "compatibility layer" for people so stupid they shouldn't be
running Gentoo in the first place...


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE and the new plasma 5 thing

[Neil Bothwick]

On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 22:18:50 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:

> > I don't use the meta packages, preferring to define my own set with
> > the packages I want, so I wasn't aware of Spectacle. I've just tried
> > it an is seems to do much the same as ksnapshot, just with a lot more
> > white space in the UI - but WTF do they block one another, they're
> > only screen shot programs?  
> 
> There doesn't seem to be a good technical reason, maybe it's as simple
> as the maintainer thought there shouldn't be two competing apps with the
> same functionality?
> 
> I unblocked them here, and re-emerged both. Nothing extra was pulled in,
> so there are no conflicting libs.
> 
> Unfortunately I can't attach a screenshot as proof - both remove their
> own window to do the capture :-)

Run two copies, then you can snapshot one with the other ;-)


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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and the new plasma 5 thing

[Daniel Frey]

On 04/12/16 11:53, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 13:21:37 -0500, Dale wrote:
> 
>> Oh, I had to switch to sddm for this too.  You just change the setting
>> from kdm to sddm and it just works.  It looks different but it works
>> fine.  That may have carried over some settings.  It selected the user
>> and was ready for my password just like kdm did.  Again, it looks
>> different but it seems to work the same.  I suspect one could adjust the
>> settings, somewhere, and make it look like kdm if they wanted to. 
> 
> That's because kdm is dead. I found sddm a little flakey. On my laptop it
> works more or less as expected, but on my desktop, selecting reboot or
> power off from the desktop drops me back to sddm without rebooting. I'm
> nit sure if this is an issue with sddm or plasma, maybe I'll try slim
> instead.
> 
> 

SDDM was doing that to me too until I created a default config.

I don't really have any issues with SDDM itself, it seems to work.
Although when I'm at the login screen and I click the power button I was
expecting a menu to pop up asking whether I wanted to restart or
shutdown, and it proceeded to shut down on me... I rarely do this from
the login screen so not a huge issue for me.

I have noticed a couple weird things. I wanted to add a network "place"
in dolphin, and it didn't do it - but it added it to the K menu's
computer tab and now I can't figure out how to remove it from there.

Oh, I was messing around with panels again and accidently removed the
entire task bar again -_- but KDE popped up a nice big undo button for
me! That was kind of nice. Everytime I upgrade I always forget and
remove the whole panel and not the widget...

One other issue is Clementine's nifty tray icon is gone, replaced by
some weird kde5 generic thing. Anyone know how I can get the original
one back? I used it frequently as it had more than the
pause/forward/back that the generic kde one has.

Dan

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE and the new plasma 5 thing

[Alan McKinnon]

On 12/04/2016 22:46, Frank Steinmetzger wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 10:18:50PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> 
>>> [...] I wasn't aware of Spectacle. I've just tried it an is seems to do
>>> much the same as ksnapshot, just with a lot more white space in the UI -
>>> but WTF do they block one another, they're only screen shot programs?
>> [...]
>> I unblocked them here, and re-emerged both. Nothing extra was pulled in,
>> so there are no conflicting libs.
>>
>> Unfortunately I can't attach a screenshot as proof - both remove their
>> own window to do the capture :-)
> 
> import -window root screenshot.png
> 

Huh. S now 2 days after updating all of kde, I get to do it again. Lots
and lots and lots of these:

[ebuild U  ] kde-frameworks/krunner-5.21.0:5/5.21::gentoo
[5.20.0:5/5.20::gentoo]

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE and the new plasma 5 thing

[Frank Steinmetzger]

On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 10:18:50PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:

> > [...] I wasn't aware of Spectacle. I've just tried it an is seems to do
> > much the same as ksnapshot, just with a lot more white space in the UI -
> > but WTF do they block one another, they're only screen shot programs?
> [...]
> I unblocked them here, and re-emerged both. Nothing extra was pulled in,
> so there are no conflicting libs.
> 
> Unfortunately I can't attach a screenshot as proof - both remove their
> own window to do the capture :-)

import -window root screenshot.png

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and the new plasma 5 thing

[Marc Joliet]

On Tuesday 12 April 2016 22:10:10 Frank Steinmetzger wrote:
>I don't particularly like SDDM. I does not allow me to log in using just the
>keyboard, I always have to click into the password field after it loaded up.
>The field is neither active by default nor can I select it with Tab. Call it
>a nitpick, but even Windows lets me enter my password without a mouse. Is it
>a problem with my VM or can you confirm this?

I find it depends on the SDDM theme used.  After the upgrade, on both systems,
SDDM used Maui by default, with which I had two problems: the password field 
never
started out focused, and it would always display that I had selected an English 
locale...
except the instant I press a key, it would switch to German -- apparently a UI 
issue :-/ .
I subsequently switched to the Breeze theme and haven't had any serious issues
since -- SDDM doesn't show my user's avatar, while the screen locker does, but 
that's
it, I think).

HTH
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE and the new plasma 5 thing

[J. Roeleveld]

On Tuesday, April 12, 2016 10:18:50 PM Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On 12/04/2016 22:01, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> > On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 21:31:28 +0200, J. Roeleveld wrote:
> >>> I have ksnapshot in @world, so depclean didn't touch it.  It
> >>> still works fine.  Spectacle and ksnapshot block each other, but if
> >>> you unmerge spectacle you may be able to get a working ksnapshot
> >>> back, at least for now.
> >> 
> >> I know, had to copy a meta-ebuild ( kdegraphics-meta ) into my local
> >> overlay and modify it to pick ksnapshot though. As the later version
> >> only allows Spectacle.
> > 
> > I don't use the meta packages, preferring to define my own set with the
> > packages I want, so I wasn't aware of Spectacle. I've just tried it an is
> > seems to do much the same as ksnapshot, just with a lot more white space
> > in the UI - but WTF do they block one another, they're only screen shot
> > programs?
> 
> There doesn't seem to be a good technical reason, maybe it's as simple
> as the maintainer thought there shouldn't be two competing apps with the
> same functionality?
> 
> I unblocked them here, and re-emerged both. Nothing extra was pulled in,
> so there are no conflicting libs.
> 
> Unfortunately I can't attach a screenshot as proof - both remove their
> own window to do the capture :-)

Find a 3rd one to do it with.
Or take a picture with a mobile phone? :)

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE and the new plasma 5 thing

[Alan McKinnon]

On 12/04/2016 22:01, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 21:31:28 +0200, J. Roeleveld wrote:
> 
>>> I have ksnapshot in @world, so depclean didn't touch it.  It
>>> still works fine.  Spectacle and ksnapshot block each other, but if
>>> you unmerge spectacle you may be able to get a working ksnapshot
>>> back, at least for now.  
>>
>> I know, had to copy a meta-ebuild ( kdegraphics-meta ) into my local
>> overlay and modify it to pick ksnapshot though. As the later version
>> only allows Spectacle.
> 
> I don't use the meta packages, preferring to define my own set with the
> packages I want, so I wasn't aware of Spectacle. I've just tried it an is
> seems to do much the same as ksnapshot, just with a lot more white space
> in the UI - but WTF do they block one another, they're only screen shot
> programs?

There doesn't seem to be a good technical reason, maybe it's as simple
as the maintainer thought there shouldn't be two competing apps with the
same functionality?

I unblocked them here, and re-emerged both. Nothing extra was pulled in,
so there are no conflicting libs.

Unfortunately I can't attach a screenshot as proof - both remove their
own window to do the capture :-)


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE and the new plasma 5 thing

[J. Roeleveld]

On Tuesday, April 12, 2016 09:01:16 PM Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 21:31:28 +0200, J. Roeleveld wrote:
> > > I have ksnapshot in @world, so depclean didn't touch it.  It
> > > still works fine.  Spectacle and ksnapshot block each other, but if
> > > you unmerge spectacle you may be able to get a working ksnapshot
> > > back, at least for now.
> > 
> > I know, had to copy a meta-ebuild ( kdegraphics-meta ) into my local
> > overlay and modify it to pick ksnapshot though. As the later version
> > only allows Spectacle.
> 
> I don't use the meta packages, preferring to define my own set with the
> packages I want, so I wasn't aware of Spectacle. I've just tried it an is
> seems to do much the same as ksnapshot, just with a lot more white space
> in the UI

Don't forget:
- No auto-incrementing of screenshot-numbers
- Always defaults to PNG (Why!?!!?!)
- Always defaults to a the ~/Pictures folder
   (Folder can be adjusted in the settings, but why not the previous one)
- When wanting to use "save as...", you first need to click the little triangle


> - but WTF do they block one another, they're only screen shot
> programs?

I read somewhere there is a "wrapper" included to call Spectacle when someone 
tries to start "ksnapshot"...

> I did emerge it with USE=-kipi - why do I need that to take simple
> screenshots?

No clue, maybe to take screenshots when using compositing or similar?

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and the new plasma 5 thing

[Alan McKinnon]

On 12/04/2016 22:10, Frank Steinmetzger wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 07:53:34PM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote:
>> On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 13:21:37 -0500, Dale wrote:

8<

>>> Oh, I had to switch to sddm for this too.  You just change the setting
>>> from kdm to sddm and it just works.  It looks different but it works
>>> fine.  That may have carried over some settings.  It selected the user
>>> and was ready for my password just like kdm did.  Again, it looks
>>> different but it seems to work the same.  I suspect one could adjust the
>>> settings, somewhere, and make it look like kdm if they wanted to.
>>
>> That's because kdm is dead. I found sddm a little flakey. On my laptop it
>> works more or less as expected, but on my desktop, selecting reboot or
>> power off from the desktop drops me back to sddm without rebooting.
> 
> I don't particularly like SDDM. I does not allow me to log in using just the
> keyboard, I always have to click into the password field after it loaded up.
> The field is neither active by default nor can I select it with Tab. Call it
> a nitpick, but even Windows lets me enter my password without a mouse. Is it
> a problem with my VM or can you confirm this?

It get it as well. But worse, it's erratic. Sometimes the password field
has focus on startup, sometimes now. Sometimes my usert account is
selected sometimes not.

I have a suspicion it's somehow related to whether I press Enter to
initiate login, or click the button with a mouse. But that takes too
many logouts to verify so I haven't checked :-)



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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and the new plasma 5 thing

[Frank Steinmetzger]

On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 07:53:34PM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 13:21:37 -0500, Dale wrote:

A while ago I set up a VM in which I can observe KDE 5 as it matures. Right
now I find it not yet usable, mostly because many things are not yet ported
and because of random crashes of plasma. (And I too find Breeze too much
space-consuming, plus there are those single-colour icons that are clearly
inspired by Spysoft Windows 10).
Oh well, in the early days of KDE 4 I was a huge fan of KDE 3’s Crystal
icons, and now I really like Oxygen. It is always a question of getting used
to change. But those thin, colourless, sometimes abstract lines really make
it more difficult to recognise stuff, making it also a UX issue.

> > Oh, I had to switch to sddm for this too.  You just change the setting
> > from kdm to sddm and it just works.  It looks different but it works
> > fine.  That may have carried over some settings.  It selected the user
> > and was ready for my password just like kdm did.  Again, it looks
> > different but it seems to work the same.  I suspect one could adjust the
> > settings, somewhere, and make it look like kdm if they wanted to.
>
> That's because kdm is dead. I found sddm a little flakey. On my laptop it
> works more or less as expected, but on my desktop, selecting reboot or
> power off from the desktop drops me back to sddm without rebooting.

I don't particularly like SDDM. I does not allow me to log in using just the
keyboard, I always have to click into the password field after it loaded up.
The field is neither active by default nor can I select it with Tab. Call it
a nitpick, but even Windows lets me enter my password without a mouse. Is it
a problem with my VM or can you confirm this?

This would more belong to a KDE forum, but since I’m at it, I can just as
well blurb it here. :)
I have a similar argument about the new cascading (“old-style”) Application
menu in KDE 5: In KDE 4, I can access any item in the Leave menu (and any
other submenu, for that matter) with Alt+F1 and two letters (as long as they
get a shortcut letter assigned). This is not possible anymore due to the new
search field.
Well, my argument is a bit self-contradicting because in KDE 3 SuSE hat a
similar search field in the menu and back then I actually liked that. But
nowadays we have KRunner for searching. The cascading menu is perfect for
fast keyboard-based navigation using the starting letter. And even though I
don’t use the favorites feature myself, those are also not accessible with
the keyboard at all.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE and the new plasma 5 thing

[Neil Bothwick]

On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 21:31:28 +0200, J. Roeleveld wrote:

> > I have ksnapshot in @world, so depclean didn't touch it.  It
> > still works fine.  Spectacle and ksnapshot block each other, but if
> > you unmerge spectacle you may be able to get a working ksnapshot
> > back, at least for now.  
> 
> I know, had to copy a meta-ebuild ( kdegraphics-meta ) into my local
> overlay and modify it to pick ksnapshot though. As the later version
> only allows Spectacle.

I don't use the meta packages, preferring to define my own set with the
packages I want, so I wasn't aware of Spectacle. I've just tried it an is
seems to do much the same as ksnapshot, just with a lot more white space
in the UI - but WTF do they block one another, they're only screen shot
programs?

I did emerge it with USE=-kipi - why do I need that to take simple
screenshots?


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE and the new plasma 5 thing

[J. Roeleveld]

On Tuesday, April 12, 2016 02:18:47 PM »Q« wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 21:04:08 +0200
> 
> "J. Roeleveld"  wrote:
> > I haven't found a decent colourscheme yet (There wasn't one for KDE4
> > either)
> 
> If you find one, please post here about it.  I started with Breeze and
> then changed some colors, but I really suck at that.
> 
> > My biggest complaint though:
> > KSnapshot has disappeared and been replaced by " Spectacle ".
> 
> I have ksnapshot in @world, so depclean didn't touch it.  It
> still works fine.  Spectacle and ksnapshot block each other, but if you
> unmerge spectacle you may be able to get a working ksnapshot back, at
> least for now.

I know, had to copy a meta-ebuild ( kdegraphics-meta ) into my local overlay 
and modify it to pick ksnapshot though. As the later version only allows 
Spectacle.

Problem is Ksnapshot is "dead code". I do hope they'll fix the interface of 
Spectacle. Does anyone know which of the many gazillion mailinglists for KDE 
is the best place to post to?

Thanks,

Joost

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and the new plasma 5 thing

[Dale]

Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 13:21:37 -0500, Dale wrote:
>
>> Oh, I had to switch to sddm for this too.  You just change the setting
>> from kdm to sddm and it just works.  It looks different but it works
>> fine.  That may have carried over some settings.  It selected the user
>> and was ready for my password just like kdm did.  Again, it looks
>> different but it seems to work the same.  I suspect one could adjust the
>> settings, somewhere, and make it look like kdm if they wanted to. 
> That's because kdm is dead. I found sddm a little flakey. On my laptop it
> works more or less as expected, but on my desktop, selecting reboot or
> power off from the desktop drops me back to sddm without rebooting. I'm
> nit sure if this is an issue with sddm or plasma, maybe I'll try slim
> instead.
>
>


Yea, when I was googling around I found out that the plug was pulled on
kdm.  The old kdm always worked for me but KDE5 and the plasma thing is
a whole new can of worms code wise from what I read.  I guess a fresh
start was easier than trying to recode all that mess. 

I haven't tried rebooting/shutdown yet so I guess I'll find out one time
or another if I have the same problem.  Generally tho, I only
shutdown/reboot when I have a power failure here.  So far, I'm at 118
days.  When I do that, I usually do it within KDE since I already know I
have to shutdown and I'm almost always logged in. 

I'm just glad this is a little smoother than the KDE3 to KDE4 mess.  :-) 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

[gentoo-user] Re: KDE and the new plasma 5 thing

[»Q«]

On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 21:04:08 +0200
"J. Roeleveld"  wrote:

> I haven't found a decent colourscheme yet (There wasn't one for KDE4
> either)

If you find one, please post here about it.  I started with Breeze and
then changed some colors, but I really suck at that.

> My biggest complaint though:
> KSnapshot has disappeared and been replaced by " Spectacle ".

I have ksnapshot in @world, so depclean didn't touch it.  It
still works fine.  Spectacle and ksnapshot block each other, but if you
unmerge spectacle you may be able to get a working ksnapshot back, at
least for now.

[gentoo-user] stage4-amd64-hardened+cloud-20160317.tar.bz2

[James]

Hello,

I just ran acroos this tar file in the adminCD section of realeases.
Interestinly, it contains the word 'cloud'? Anyone have any experince with
this ? OpenStack support?


The adminCD's are know to have extras that might come in handy during an
installation. I'm not certain what the 'stage 4' means exactly on this?


Just curious if anyone knows anything.

James

[1] http://distfiles.gentoo.org/releases/amd64/autobuilds/current-admincd-amd64/

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and the new plasma 5 thing

[J. Roeleveld]

On Tuesday, April 12, 2016 07:53:34 PM Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 13:21:37 -0500, Dale wrote:
> > Oh, I had to switch to sddm for this too.  You just change the setting
> > from kdm to sddm and it just works.  It looks different but it works
> > fine.  That may have carried over some settings.  It selected the user
> > and was ready for my password just like kdm did.  Again, it looks
> > different but it seems to work the same.  I suspect one could adjust the
> > settings, somewhere, and make it look like kdm if they wanted to.
> 
> That's because kdm is dead. I found sddm a little flakey. On my laptop it
> works more or less as expected, but on my desktop, selecting reboot or
> power off from the desktop drops me back to sddm without rebooting. I'm
> nit sure if this is an issue with sddm or plasma, maybe I'll try slim
> instead.

That could also be caused by polkit, consolekit or similar not allowing the 
reboot on your desktop.

--
Joost

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and the new plasma 5 thing

[J. Roeleveld]

On Tuesday, April 12, 2016 01:21:37 PM Dale wrote:
> J. Roeleveld wrote:
> > On Tuesday, April 12, 2016 02:04:47 AM Dale wrote:
> >> <<< SNIP >>>
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Dale
> >> 
> >> :-)  :-)
> > 
> > Dale,
> > 
> > Considering the amount of changes, did you reboot the system or at least
> > killed everything running at least once?
> > 
> > That should also help with the stability.
> > 
> > Also, I used the following 2 meta-packages:
> > kde-apps/kde-apps-meta
> > kde-plasma/plasma-meta
> > 
> > This gave me most stuff, including the configuration for virtual desktop
> > in the same place (SystemSettings)
> > 
> > Start that, then search for "Virtual Desktops" and the only working icon
> > is
> > where you need to be.
> > 
> > The pager thing to select the virtual desktops appears magically then.
> > 
> > --
> > Joost
> 
> Update and some info for Joost.

Thanks, as I now have a bit more time, I will add my own thoughts as well.

> I been playing with this a while and found some things.  First, I had to
> get to the settings part which would only give a error working.  When I
> got to the edit part, I figured out that for some reason, it was still
> trying to run the KDE4 command, which was removed during the upgrade of
> course.  So, I got that back by giving it the new command,
> systemsettings5 I think was it.  That helped.

Hmm, I actually started it from the K-menu. When it's opened, you can search 
through all the entries by simply typing.
I did do an " emerge --depclean " before trying to configure things. Eg. 
systemsettings for kde4 disappeared already.

> Once in there, I found
> lots of things to help get things to where I could work with them.  I
> found out that I could add multiple desktops back and at that point, the
> desktop pager thingy appeared and worked.  I guess when it is set to 1
> desktop, it doesn't show up or something.

Which seems logical behaviour to me. And the same happened here after 
configuring it.

> I also got it to where it
> wouldn't turn my monitor off and lock the screen if I turned my head a
> minute.

I use my laptop also when at "public" places, like at a customer. Which means 
the auto-lock-screen-after-5-minutes is a useful feature.
Now if only I could have that time auto-adjusted based on the network it's 
connected to? :)

> Then I found out how to adjust the size of fonts in a lot of
> other places.  Now that helped a lot.  I was using a magnifying glass to
> read some stuff.  I also set the numlock to on.  I have numbers in my
> password and that was getting annoying to have to turn on.
> 
> I very rarely reboot.  After a big upgrade, I just go to single user,
> use the checkrestart command to be sure and then go back to default
> runlevel.  I also generally clear the cache and such too.  I restart or
> kill anything checkrestart shows if needed.

I had issues where checkrestart wouldn't kill enough, or didn't notice changes 
to configuration. Hibernate (eg. suspend-to-disk) didn't work from kde until I 
rebooted.

> I do have those packages installed.  I emerged plasma-meta and that
> pulled in a lot.  Since I run some unstable stuff already, I had to
> adjust some things to get emerge happy.  After that, it was a large
> download and a lot of compile time.

Those 2 pull in nearly everything.

> As it is, the biggest thing is that it doesn't seem to carry over
> settings from KDE4.  It seems to start out fresh just like if it was a
> clean install.

That is actually mentioned in the upgrade-guide. Just not in so-many words.
I actually think that's a good thing as a lot of the issues I had when first 
switching to KDE4 was caused by left-over settings from KDE3. A fresh start 
helped a lot.

> Other than that, it's OK.  I still get the occasional
> plasma crash tho.  It's not as often but it still pops up on occasion.

I've had 1 today, when I clicked on the up-pointing triangle to get all the 
hidden systray items. That was, so far, the only one.

> I may start a emerge -e world.  I haven't done that in a while anyway
> and it usually clears up weird issues that can't quite be figured out.
> 
> Oh, I had to switch to sddm for this too.  You just change the setting
> from kdm to sddm and it just works.

Same here, and mentioned in the upgrade-guide.
I actually did the change to SDDM before switching to KDE5/Plasma.

> It looks different but it works
> fine.  That may have carried over some settings.  It selected the user
> and was ready for my password just like kdm did.  Again, it looks
> different but it seems to work the same.  I suspect one could adjust the
> settings, somewhere, and make it look like kdm if they wanted to.

Yes, you can.
Google for " sddm themes ".
They go in " /usr/share/sddm/themes "

The OCD one looks like the KDM Oxygen theme...

Now for my thoughts:

I haven't found a decent colourscheme yet (There wasn't one for KDE4 either)

Most of the apps are ok, just waiting for KDevelop 5 to appear in the tree.

My biggest complaint though:

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and the new plasma 5 thing

[Neil Bothwick]

On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 13:21:37 -0500, Dale wrote:

> Oh, I had to switch to sddm for this too.  You just change the setting
> from kdm to sddm and it just works.  It looks different but it works
> fine.  That may have carried over some settings.  It selected the user
> and was ready for my password just like kdm did.  Again, it looks
> different but it seems to work the same.  I suspect one could adjust the
> settings, somewhere, and make it look like kdm if they wanted to. 

That's because kdm is dead. I found sddm a little flakey. On my laptop it
works more or less as expected, but on my desktop, selecting reboot or
power off from the desktop drops me back to sddm without rebooting. I'm
nit sure if this is an issue with sddm or plasma, maybe I'll try slim
instead.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

A printer consists of three main parts: the case, the jammed paper tray
and the blinking red light.


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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and the new plasma 5 thing

[Dale]

J. Roeleveld wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 12, 2016 02:04:47 AM Dale wrote:
>>
>> <<< SNIP >>>
>>
>>
>> Dale
>>
>> :-)  :-)
> Dale,
>
> Considering the amount of changes, did you reboot the system or at least 
> killed everything running at least once?
>
> That should also help with the stability.
>
> Also, I used the following 2 meta-packages:
> kde-apps/kde-apps-meta
> kde-plasma/plasma-meta
>
> This gave me most stuff, including the configuration for virtual desktop in 
> the 
> same place (SystemSettings)
>
> Start that, then search for "Virtual Desktops" and the only working icon is 
> where you need to be.
>
> The pager thing to select the virtual desktops appears magically then.
>
> --
> Joost
>
>

Update and some info for Joost.

I been playing with this a while and found some things.  First, I had to
get to the settings part which would only give a error working.  When I
got to the edit part, I figured out that for some reason, it was still
trying to run the KDE4 command, which was removed during the upgrade of
course.  So, I got that back by giving it the new command,
systemsettings5 I think was it.  That helped.  Once in there, I found
lots of things to help get things to where I could work with them.  I
found out that I could add multiple desktops back and at that point, the
desktop pager thingy appeared and worked.  I guess when it is set to 1
desktop, it doesn't show up or something.  I also got it to where it
wouldn't turn my monitor off and lock the screen if I turned my head a
minute.  Then I found out how to adjust the size of fonts in a lot of
other places.  Now that helped a lot.  I was using a magnifying glass to
read some stuff.  I also set the numlock to on.  I have numbers in my
password and that was getting annoying to have to turn on. 

I very rarely reboot.  After a big upgrade, I just go to single user,
use the checkrestart command to be sure and then go back to default
runlevel.  I also generally clear the cache and such too.  I restart or
kill anything checkrestart shows if needed. 

I do have those packages installed.  I emerged plasma-meta and that
pulled in a lot.  Since I run some unstable stuff already, I had to
adjust some things to get emerge happy.  After that, it was a large
download and a lot of compile time. 

As it is, the biggest thing is that it doesn't seem to carry over
settings from KDE4.  It seems to start out fresh just like if it was a
clean install.  Other than that, it's OK.  I still get the occasional
plasma crash tho.  It's not as often but it still pops up on occasion. 
I may start a emerge -e world.  I haven't done that in a while anyway
and it usually clears up weird issues that can't quite be figured out. 

Oh, I had to switch to sddm for this too.  You just change the setting
from kdm to sddm and it just works.  It looks different but it works
fine.  That may have carried over some settings.  It selected the user
and was ready for my password just like kdm did.  Again, it looks
different but it seems to work the same.  I suspect one could adjust the
settings, somewhere, and make it look like kdm if they wanted to. 

Thanks.

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Package 'dev-perl/Net-DNS-1.40.0' NOT merged due to file collisions.

[Alan McKinnon]

On 12/04/2016 07:17, Dale wrote:
> J. Roeleveld wrote:
>> On April 11, 2016 11:04:59 AM GMT+02:00, Dale  wrote:
>>> Howdy,
>>>
>>> I did a google search and it had zero results.  Long time since I seen
>>> that happen.  Anyone else run into this?  Basically, portage says it is
>>> about to clobber some files it shouldn't so it puked out all this
>>> mess.:/ 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  large snip >>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thoughts? 
>>>
>>> Dale
>>>
>>> :-)  :-)
>> It conflicts with "dev-perl/Net-DNS-SEC-0.220.0:0::gentoo".
>>
>> (See full text you quoted)
>>
>> Check for an existing bug and file one if there isn't any yet. Listing both 
>> packages.
>>
>> --
>> Joost 
> 
> Yea, it was.  I haven't seen that happen in AGES.  I was sort of shocked
> that I got that and was mostly wondering if anyone else ran into it or
> is it just me.  If someone else had, I would file a roach report but
> since it appears to be just me, it is likely something that only
> affected me somehow.  It's not like that hasn't happened before either. 
> lol 
> 
> Anyway, I -C'd the thing and then deleted the files it listed.  After
> that, emerge stopped puking at me.  ;-) 


It's still somewhat common with all the moving things around in perl
land for the past year. I guess I've had it about 5 times.

Packages change, perl devs merge two cpan modules or split one into two.
It's hard to keep track and always get it right so sometimes the ebuild
maintainer misses something 

-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Package 'dev-perl/Net-DNS-1.40.0' NOT merged due to file collisions.

[Francisco Ares]

2016-04-12 2:17 GMT-03:00 Dale :

> J. Roeleveld wrote:
> > On April 11, 2016 11:04:59 AM GMT+02:00, Dale 
> wrote:
> >> Howdy,
> >>
> >> I did a google search and it had zero results.  Long time since I seen
> >> that happen.  Anyone else run into this?  Basically, portage says it is
> >> about to clobber some files it shouldn't so it puked out all this
> >> mess.:/
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>  large snip >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Thoughts?
> >>
> >> Dale
> >>
> >> :-)  :-)
> > It conflicts with "dev-perl/Net-DNS-SEC-0.220.0:0::gentoo".
> >
> > (See full text you quoted)
> >
> > Check for an existing bug and file one if there isn't any yet. Listing
> both packages.
> >
> > --
> > Joost
>
> Yea, it was.  I haven't seen that happen in AGES.  I was sort of shocked
> that I got that and was mostly wondering if anyone else ran into it or
> is it just me.  If someone else had, I would file a roach report but
> since it appears to be just me, it is likely something that only
> affected me somehow.  It's not like that hasn't happened before either.
> lol
>
> Anyway, I -C'd the thing and then deleted the files it listed.  After
> that, emerge stopped puking at me.  ;-)
>
> Thanks.
>
> Dale
>
> :-)  :-)
>
>
Same issue here, I 've just un-merged the package containing those files,
then the automatic update took care of everything else - as it seems up to
now.

Best regards,
Francisco

Re: [gentoo-user] Fwd: Unexpected behaviour

[Konstantin]

I've applied a patch provided in Bug 11512

And it is solved my problem 

On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 8:36 PM, Konstantin  wrote:
> I'm using the same configs in /etc for all running applications. Clamav
> signature databases are the same.
> I recompiled  all its dependencies but it did not help yet.
>
> 05.04.2016 2:26 пользователь "R0b0t1"  написал:
>>
>> I would like to know what you mean by identical. Unfortunately all you
can
>> do is keep comparing things - but even if you go as far as comparing the
>> tool chains (unsure if you mentioned binhost) in great detail you still
>> might not track everything down.
>>
>> By all means keep looking, but be relieved they at least got detected as
>> *something.*



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Re: [gentoo-user] SOLVED: NVMe drive and grub

[Neil Bothwick]

On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 10:56:56 +1000, Adam Carter wrote:

> I also failed to get grub2 + UEFI working. So either;
> 1. We're both dummies
> 2. The handbook instructions are incorrect and/or inadequate
> 
> Can anyone else that is familiar comment on the grub2 + UEFI doc
> quality?

ISTR getting GRUB to work with UEFI was pretty straightforward, but I had
to use efibootmgr to let the firmware know that GRUB was available and
make it the default.

It was a while ago though, I've since ditched GRUB in favour of
gummiboot/bootctl on UEFI hardware.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and the new plasma 5 thing

[J. Roeleveld]

On Tuesday, April 12, 2016 02:04:47 AM Dale wrote:
> Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > On 12/04/2016 07:38, Dale wrote:
> >> Howdy,
> >> 
> >> Well, I went and did it.  On one hand, it's sort of nice.  Seems to be
> >> faster in a way.  On the other hand, I want to wring its neck. I used to
> >> have 10 virtual desktop thingys.  I was organized like a OCD King here.
> >> Well, that seems to have left the building.  Google informed me that
> >> "activities" is the new thing.  No more virtual desktops.
> > 
> > Not true. I have 6. Add the Virtual Desktop widget to the panel
> 
> If it had one, I would.  I can't find anything related to it and I
> clicked on some things just in case it got renamed.  If it's there, I
> can't find it here.  Maybe something else needs installing or
> something.  I did figure out to add the activity thingy.  That sort of
> helps.
> 
> >> All righty
> >> then.  Then I keep getting a pop up that plasma is dying and needs to
> >> restart.  It happens quite a bit.  I think I need a fly swatter.  ROFL
> >> It seems to do that when I try to use that panel thingy at the bottom.
> > 
> > Not true. Stable here
> 
> Well, here, it does.  I've got that at least a dozen times so far.  It
> doesn't seem to be as often as it was but at first, it was every time I
> clicked on the panel thingy.  It got to the point, I logged out and back
> in again.  It seems to be getting better.
> 
> >> Also, I had a saved session that when I logged in, everything went where
> >> it was supposed to be.  After I logged in, I was ready to get to it.
> >> Well, it must have found a open window because it is gone too.  Did Bill
> >> Gates open that window???  o_O  It seems to use a LOT of memory too.  It
> >> shows I'm using 11GBs out of the 16GBs I have.  O_O
> > 
> > No. KDE is not using 11G of RAM, that is ridiculous. KDE might be in a
> > position to *address* 11G of RAM which might be used for any of a number
> > of reasons - like caching every thumbnail you ever read in the session.
> > 
> > 11G addressable out of 16G indicates that efficient use of your memory
> > is being made. What would be the point of having 16G and only ever using
> > say 1G?
> 
> I missed the decimal point.  It was 1.1 not 11.  Allergies and new
> glasses isn't helping with all this.  I did figure out how to make the
> fonts bigger.  That helps.  ;-)
> 
> >> So!!  Is there a really well written howto for this thing or something
> >> that one can read and sort of figure out where North is again?  Right
> >> now, it's sort of making me dizzy.  I need something quick but at the
> >> same time, gets me off to a start.  Linkys would be wonderful.  I found
> >> this so far.
> > 
> > It's a bit too new for proper howtos.
> 
> I noticed.  I found a video but even that doesn't match what I have now
> so I guess some things were changed since the video was made.  I think
> it was several months old.
> 
> >> https://www.linux.com/learn/how-use-kde-plasma-desktop-pro
> >> 
> >> The biggest things.  Can I have a saved session again?  Or have it save
> >> my activities or something that when I login, it starts most everything
> >> itself without me digging around and doing it manually?  That would help.
> > 
> > That part doesn't seem to work too well. I get most of my apps back at
> > restart, but on the wrong desktop, and non-kde apps are not remembered.
> > 
> > Solution: I never switch the computer off. Desktop just stays running,
> > laptops get suspended.
> 
> I did find with google that it is supposed to restore but some things
> don't work.  That seems to match what we got.  Maybe later on they will
> get it sorted.
> 
> In a way, I like it.  I just need to figure out how to set it up so that
> I can work with it.  Other than a glitch or two, it's not to bad.  The
> biggest thing, I forgot and updated Firefox and they took tab grouping
> away.  I wasn't ready for that.  I wanted to get settled in KDE5 first
> then do that.  The old Firefox was took out of the tree. Bummer.
> 
> Dale
> 
> :-)  :-)

Dale,

Considering the amount of changes, did you reboot the system or at least 
killed everything running at least once?

That should also help with the stability.

Also, I used the following 2 meta-packages:
kde-apps/kde-apps-meta
kde-plasma/plasma-meta

This gave me most stuff, including the configuration for virtual desktop in the 
same place (SystemSettings)

Start that, then search for "Virtual Desktops" and the only working icon is 
where you need to be.

The pager thing to select the virtual desktops appears magically then.

--
Joost

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and the new plasma 5 thing

[Dale]

Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On 12/04/2016 07:38, Dale wrote:
>> Howdy,
>>
>> Well, I went and did it.  On one hand, it's sort of nice.  Seems to be
>> faster in a way.  On the other hand, I want to wring its neck. I used to
>> have 10 virtual desktop thingys.  I was organized like a OCD King here. 
>> Well, that seems to have left the building.  Google informed me that
>> "activities" is the new thing.  No more virtual desktops.  
> Not true. I have 6. Add the Virtual Desktop widget to the panel

If it had one, I would.  I can't find anything related to it and I
clicked on some things just in case it got renamed.  If it's there, I
can't find it here.  Maybe something else needs installing or
something.  I did figure out to add the activity thingy.  That sort of
helps. 

>
>> All righty
>> then.  Then I keep getting a pop up that plasma is dying and needs to
>> restart.  It happens quite a bit.  I think I need a fly swatter.  ROFL 
>> It seems to do that when I try to use that panel thingy at the bottom.
> Not true. Stable here

Well, here, it does.  I've got that at least a dozen times so far.  It
doesn't seem to be as often as it was but at first, it was every time I
clicked on the panel thingy.  It got to the point, I logged out and back
in again.  It seems to be getting better. 

>
>> Also, I had a saved session that when I logged in, everything went where
>> it was supposed to be.  After I logged in, I was ready to get to it. 
>> Well, it must have found a open window because it is gone too.  Did Bill
>> Gates open that window???  o_O  It seems to use a LOT of memory too.  It
>> shows I'm using 11GBs out of the 16GBs I have.  O_O 
> No. KDE is not using 11G of RAM, that is ridiculous. KDE might be in a
> position to *address* 11G of RAM which might be used for any of a number
> of reasons - like caching every thumbnail you ever read in the session.
>
> 11G addressable out of 16G indicates that efficient use of your memory
> is being made. What would be the point of having 16G and only ever using
> say 1G?
>

I missed the decimal point.  It was 1.1 not 11.  Allergies and new
glasses isn't helping with all this.  I did figure out how to make the
fonts bigger.  That helps.  ;-) 


>> So!!  Is there a really well written howto for this thing or something
>> that one can read and sort of figure out where North is again?  Right
>> now, it's sort of making me dizzy.  I need something quick but at the
>> same time, gets me off to a start.  Linkys would be wonderful.  I found
>> this so far.
> It's a bit too new for proper howtos.

I noticed.  I found a video but even that doesn't match what I have now
so I guess some things were changed since the video was made.  I think
it was several months old. 

>
>> https://www.linux.com/learn/how-use-kde-plasma-desktop-pro
>>
>> The biggest things.  Can I have a saved session again?  Or have it save
>> my activities or something that when I login, it starts most everything
>> itself without me digging around and doing it manually?  That would help. 
> That part doesn't seem to work too well. I get most of my apps back at
> restart, but on the wrong desktop, and non-kde apps are not remembered.
>
> Solution: I never switch the computer off. Desktop just stays running,
> laptops get suspended.
>
>

I did find with google that it is supposed to restore but some things
don't work.  That seems to match what we got.  Maybe later on they will
get it sorted. 

In a way, I like it.  I just need to figure out how to set it up so that
I can work with it.  Other than a glitch or two, it's not to bad.  The
biggest thing, I forgot and updated Firefox and they took tab grouping
away.  I wasn't ready for that.  I wanted to get settled in KDE5 first
then do that.  The old Firefox was took out of the tree. Bummer.

Dale

:-)  :-)