Re: [gentoo-user] Re: wpa_supplicant troubles with newly installed gentoo

[Mick]

On Monday 30 May 2016 19:16:19 Jackson Darule wrote:

> I’m unable to use wpa_gui as I don’t have Xorg installed on my computer.
> I’ve removed /var/run/wpa_supplicant/wlp3s0 and ran /etc/init.d/net.wlp3s0
> start. This gave the feedback net.wlp3s0  | * WARNING: net.wlp3s0 has
> already started, but is inactive

This is normal, the interface is waiting for dhcpcd to obtain an IP lease.

What does your syslog say now?  Is it obtaining an IP lease from your router?


> Is there any further information which could fix this, or is it best to try
> installing it again later, but install Xorg before rebooting into the new
> system so I can use wpa_gui.
> 
> Thanks.

If this is a new installation you may need some firmware for your wlp3s0, 
before the driver will operate the wireless NIC successfully.  Search the wiki 
and Google for your card's firmware if unsure, but typically installing sys-
kernel/linux-firmware should do it, unless your card is quite new.

-- 
Regards,
Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] How to be a penguin.

[J. Roeleveld]

On Monday, May 30, 2016 08:57:01 PM Alan Grimes wrote:
> Gregory Woodbury wrote:
> > What the...?
> > Do you have every package there is installed?  The worst updates I
> > have seen
> > are only 40-50 packages.  403 being 25% implies around 1600 - 1700
> > packages.
> > Actually that seems about right, but why are you getting that many
> > updates? You
> > may have maladjusted USE flags or keywords to make portage think that many
> > need an update.  I'm running with ~amd64 set and I check updates once
> > a day.
> 
> Well, I'm running some stupid number theory code that uses 110% of my
> cpu and ram,

If it's stupid, why waste CPU and RAM on it?
Or is it only stupid because you don't understand it? Just like, in your 
opinion, Linux is stupid because you don't understand it?

> and my web browsers are CPU hogs, so it's been 6wks/month
> since last update.

Where do you live that you have 6 weeks in a month?

> So right now I'm using the -30% of my cpu remaining
> to run e-builds. =P   (205/250 atm...)

Guess I was right, number theory is too difficult. Percentages especially...

--
Joost

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] How to be a penguin.

[J. Roeleveld]

On Monday, May 30, 2016 08:48:46 PM Alan Grimes wrote:
> Neil Bothwick wrote:
> > Have you read the emerge and portage man pages anytime in the last five
> > years?
> 
> I tried to extract useful information from the emerge manpage a few days
> ago but it contained no useful information, manpages are written in
> moonspeak anyway.

Then I must be fluent in moonspeak without ever hearing about that language.
I find the emerge manpage one of the better manpages around.

> I thought portage was just the file database, it
> seems to be working perfectly so therefore I have no motive to try to
> get any more information about it. I tried to find an on-line wiki about
> emerge because that's how shit is documented in the 21st century but
> couldn't. I wish I could remember where I got the documentation I needed
> to configure the features list I'm using, it's been ages since I've
> messed with it...

Occasionally there is a problem with a new feature. That gets fixed and 
everyone is happily using it. By disabling features you haven't got an 
understanding off and don't even bother to check if it's fixed, you are 
literally shooting yourself in the foot.

Why not pick either of the 2 advices people have given you here and grow up.
To make it easier, here are the 2 options:
1) Start using MS Windows as it's designed for people like you who refuse to 
learn new things
2) Actually learn how to use a computer

--
Joost

> 
> 
> ##
> EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS="--jobs=1 --quiet-build=n --verbose"
> 
> FEATURES="sandbox distlocks nostrip parallel-fetch userfetch userpriv
> usersandbox splitdebug
> -preserve-libs"
> 
> ##

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Dolphin peculiarities with plasma5

[J. Roeleveld]

On Monday, May 30, 2016 11:32:00 AM »Q« wrote:
> On Mon, 30 May 2016 16:16:24 +
> 
> "J. Roeleveld"  wrote:
> > On May 30, 2016 5:11:03 PM GMT+02:00, "»Q«"  wrote:
> > >On Mon, 30 May 2016 09:35:47 +0200
> > >
> > >Alan McKinnon  wrote:
> > >> Does "eix kioslaves" show anything you don't have installed? A long
> > >> time ago I recall installing all of those I thought I might ever
> > >> need, and several issues just went away.
> > >
> > >Thanks for this.  I don't have the OP's issues, but I'd lost
> > >thumbnails in Dolphin, and installing
> > >kde-apps/kdesdk-kioslaves-15.12.3 got them back for me.
> > 
> > If you're looking for any other kioslaves, try "eix kio".
> 
> Thanks for that.  After following Alan's post, I already had all the
> ones that have slot 5 versions, so I think everything which could be
> covered is covered.

Probably.
The extra ones you get with just "kio" are, I think, not part of the "official" 
kde. But might provide functionality you need.

--
Joost

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] How to be a penguin.

[Dale]

Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> Am 29.05.2016 um 22:15 schrieb Alan McKinnon:
>> On 29/05/2016 19:54, Dale wrote:
>>> Alan McKinnon wrote:
 On 29/05/2016 11:28, Dale wrote:
 Well, he did reply. Either his script is still doing it or he did
 and he hasn't learned anything yet. It's funny how he is the only
 one that has these problems and how he keeps using that disaster of
 a script. I don't think anyone has posted a positive thing about
 that script. I'm no script guru by any means but even I can read
 that thing and see what a disaster it is. Best of luck to him. I'm
 about done trying to help. Key word, trying. Dale :-) :-) 
>> I agree Dale.
>>
>> Mr Grimes should probably move over to Linux From Scratch. It has none
>> of portage's absurdities, makes no effort at all to be helpful to the
>> user and allows anyone to write any build automation they feel is
>> appropriate. LFS also requires you to watch all the compiler output all
>> the time to catch problems; it all seems to match Mr Grimes'
>> requirements right down to a tee.
>>
>>
>> I'm going to STFU down, go to bed and finish an astonishingly intriguing
>> Stephen King book and let the computer get on with doing whatever it
>> thinks perl-cleaner fixes.
>>
> personally, I hope he stays around. His mails and the resulting threads
> amuse me.
>
>

On one hand, it is somewhat funny to read.  On the other, it is really
silly.  Jeez, I've had things go sideways before, hal comes to mind, but
I don't use a script like he does and bring it on myself.  Heck, I can
remember when the update process was emerge sync and emerge -uvp world. 
Look at list, then remove the -p part.  Then pray there was no build
failure from a bug.  Then portage, both the emerge command and the tree
and all its ebuilds, started improving.  Slots came along and a whole
ton of other things.  Nowadays, eix-sync && emerge -uvaDN world and
generally, it's ready to update.  Once that is done, a little
housekeeping and it's done.  Of all the problems I have, it is usually
something I overlook that I did or just a general build failure. 
Sometimes a retry gets it going again. 

Thing is, emerge has changed over the years.  All of us have adapted to
those changes and adapted our own systems and process to what works. 
Some systems may be fine with a backtrack that is the default.  Some may
need it set to 30, some 100.  Thing is, setting it to 0 to disable it or
something, that won't likely work to well.  Grimes seems to want to
disable some of the new features thinking it will make it easier but
it's making it harder.  Portage/emerge will do the heavy lifting if you
let it. 

Anyway, I'll give it another go or two and after that, he will have to
figure it out on his own.  I like helping when I can but sometimes, you
just have to let them get hungry enough to fish for themselves.  lol 

Dale

:)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] How to be a penguin.

[Dale]

Alan Grimes wrote:
> Dale wrote:
>> Do you really want a answer to that?  Seriously?  You asked so I guess
>> you do.  Here it is.  Yes!  lol  The way you do things, and continue to
>> do things, even after having several VERY experienced users tell you
>> that the way you are doing things is wrong pretty much says it all.  If
>> I post that I was doing something and getting a bad result and someone
>> such as Neil and/or Alan McKinnon tells me I am doing it wrong, you can
>> bet your last dollar that I am about to change how I do things.  Why, if
>> either or both of them tell me I am doing something wrong, I'm doing it
>> wrong.  If I continue to do things the same way, well, that would be my
>> fault not members of this list or emerge/portage.  So far, I don't
>> recall seeing a single post that supports how your script is set up. 
>> Not one, except you of course. 
> This is linux, not Windows 10.
>
> The key difference is that I get to decide how I want my computer to
> run. =|
>
> What I am saying is that recent changes have broken a usage pattern that I 
> was quite content with for more than a decade. =\
>

I have no use for windoze.  I don't use it, never have and don't have
any plans to use it either.  Sounds like windoze may be more to your
liking tho.  It updates itself without you having to do anything.  I do
have friends that use windoze so I have a idea on how it works. 

Recent changes in emerge/portage did not break anything otherwise there
would be dozens of other people on this list having the same type of
problems you are having.  So, it's not emerge/portage.  The problem, as
has been said many times before, is your script and your update
process.  That is your problem.   I might also say, yes, you decide how
to run your computer.  That also means that when you use something such
as the script you posted a while back, you can also keep the pieces as
well.  Even a developer will tell you that. 


>> Here's a idea.  Since YOU are the only one having this problem, why
>> don't YOU change what you are doing to something that actually works? 
>> What you are doing doesn't work.  Try something else.  Funny how those
>> "stupid" checks work for everyone else. 
> I'm at 193/250 right now so therefore all discussion of changing my
> procedures is tabled until the next time I have troubles (next month...)


So, what you are saying is that the next time you run your script and
thoroughly break things again, you will come back, start a new thread
griping and moaning about the problem you brought on yourself?   How
lovely.  Just so you know, a couple people posted that they blacklisted
you.  They won't see your emails any more.  I'm getting close to it
myself.   I keep hoping it will get through to you that you need to
change what YOU are doing instead of doing what you want which breaks
things. At some point, there won't be anyone left here reading your
messages even if you decide to change how you do things.  Basically, it
could get worse. 

> I mentioned this before.  If you keep posting but then refuse to accept
> help, people will start ignoring or blocking your messages.  Based on
> the posts that I see, I suspect some may have already.  At some point,
> even I will.  I've only ever blocked one other person on this list.  I
> can see that doubling at some point because you don't come here for help
> or accept any when it is given.  You just come here to gripe about
> things not working like you want when it is your method that is broken. 
> 
>
>
> May I remind you that most modern software has a "check for updates" button 
> that is fully automated... 
>
> May I also point out that the stated gentoo update process, of "emerge sync ; 
> emerge --update world rarely actually works or does not have the intended 
> effect without a several dozen qualifiers. I point out here that the 
> qualifiers I use were selected from the ones provided by portage. 
>
> Now, the question is what qualifiers to use... Regardless of what qualifiers 
> you use you will have errors. So therefore you are forced to do something to 
> recover from those errors. I have found that it never hurts to blindly skip 
> the current package and try the next, so that's exactly what I do. 
>
> When I saw that my updates always had the same sequence of commands, I wrote 
> the first versions of my scripts.  Since then, I have edited, and enhanced my 
> scripts to either take advantage of good new features such as the built-in 
> keep-going command, or to disable features that features, that even once, 
> caused me problems, then I do so. If disabling a feature, even once, solves a 
> problem I will never attempt to use that feature again. 
>
> So I come here looking for something else to disable because, obviously, the 
> problem is that it is checking something that it would be better off not 
> checking because the problem it seems to think will happen either won't 
> happen or will be so trivial that it won't have any 

Re: [gentoo-user] tablet

[BillK]

Apologies for top posting on a thread running bottom posting but this Android 
tablet and K9 are not being cooperative :(


Surface pro 3 != Surface pro 4
 
Grub could not see the ssd, and rEFInd is selectable from the sp4 boot screen 
but returns too fast to what the error is :(
 
(chroot) sysresccd / # blkid
/dev/loop0: TYPE="squashfs"
/dev/sda1: LABEL="WKENWORTHY" UUID="2936-E5E6" TYPE="vfat" 
PARTUUID="c3072e18-01"
/dev/nvme0n1p1: LABEL="SYSTEM" UUID="2258-0C6A" TYPE="vfat" PARTLABEL="EFI 
system partition" PARTUUID="760df07d-ec40-452f-95ee-cb47acf22069"
/dev/nvme0n1p3: LABEL="Windows" UUID="4A44EC6844EC5869" TYPE="ntfs" 
PARTLABEL="Basic data partition" PARTUUID="3237c477-911a-436e-9394-9ac0284ad7fa"
/dev/nvme0n1p4: LABEL="Windows RE tools" UUID="0C42EEA242EE902E" TYPE="ntfs" 
PARTLABEL="Basic data partition" PARTUUID="e996fb0f-5359-454d-8146-81b8b185d79c"
/dev/nvme0n1p5: UUID="1b2d6926-a55f-43ff-bd55-6d8bec1c538a" TYPE="ext2" 
PARTLABEL="primary" PARTUUID="7fe8849a-88ad-4dd5-8829-cf6ab5f29a72"
/dev/nvme0n1p6: UUID="16c7f09a-359e-4758-bd1f-f53b62fb232e" TYPE="swap" 
PARTLABEL="primary" PARTUUID="fcee4c07-4aec-43f3-bf46-49808d3c3888"
/dev/nvme0n1p7: UUID="034f406b-be3f-41bf-a110-bf7c5bb62d8b" 
UUID_SUB="c2fa051d-bf3b-4a65-85f7-0504bad930e3" TYPE="btrfs" 
PARTLABEL="primary" PARTUUID="55fd3131-6a38-4266-bdc5-f3d0cb03a466"
/dev/nvme0n1: PTUUID="c0306c69-b496-491a-aa88-632e4cdc9065" PTTYPE="gpt"
/dev/nvme0n1p2: PARTLABEL="Microsoft reserved partition" 
PARTUUID="b9fca984-5eac-4b1d-839f-792610e34ba3"
(chroot) sysresccd / #
 
(chroot) sysresccd / # ls -al /dev/nvme0*
crw--- 1 root root  10, 58 May 31 07:48 /dev/nvme0
brw-rw 1 root disk 259,  0 May 31 07:48 /dev/nvme0n1
brw-rw 1 root disk 259,  1 May 31 07:48 /dev/nvme0n1p1
brw-rw 1 root disk 259,  2 May 31 07:48 /dev/nvme0n1p2
brw-rw 1 root disk 259,  3 May 31 07:48 /dev/nvme0n1p3
brw-rw 1 root disk 259,  4 May 31 07:48 /dev/nvme0n1p4
brw-rw 1 root disk 259,  5 May 31 07:48 /dev/nvme0n1p5
brw-rw 1 root disk 259,  6 May 31 07:48 /dev/nvme0n1p6
brw-rw 1 root disk 259,  7 May 31 07:48 /dev/nvme0n1p7
(chroot) sysresccd / #
 
(chroot) sysresccd / # parted -l
Model: Generic USB Flash Disk (scsi)
Disk /dev/sda: 8097MB
Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B
Partition Table: msdos
Disk Flags:
 
Number  Start   End Size    Type File system  Flags
1  3109kB  8097MB  8094MB  primary  fat32    boot
 
 
Model: Unknown (unknown)
Disk /dev/nvme0n1: 256GB
Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B
Partition Table: gpt
Disk Flags:
 
Number  Start   End    Size    File system Name  
Flags
1  1049kB  274MB  273MB   fat32   EFI system partition  
boot, esp
2  274MB   408MB  134MB       Microsoft reserved partition  
msftres
3  408MB   127GB  127GB   ntfs    Basic data partition  
msftdata
5  127GB   127GB  99.6MB  ext2    primary
6  127GB   139GB  11.9GB  linux-swap(v1)  primary
7  139GB   254GB  115GB   btrfs   primary
4  254GB   256GB  2013MB  ntfs    Basic data partition  
hidden, diag
 
 
(chroot) sysresccd / #
 
 
(chroot) sysresccd / # ls -al /boot/efi/EFI/
total 11096
drwxr-xr-x 5 root root    4096 May 31 06:42 .
drwxr-xr-x 3 root root    4096 Jan  1  1970 ..
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root    4096 Apr 11 11:44 Boot
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1727156 May 30 17:17 
initramfs-genkernel-x86_64-4.4.11-gentoo
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 6271936 May 30 17:16 
kernel-genkernel-x86_64-4.4.11-gentoo
drwxr-xr-x 4 root root    4096 Apr 11 11:44 Microsoft
drwxr-xr-x 8 root root    4096 May 31 06:41 refind
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 3337769 May 30 17:16 
System.map-genkernel-x86_64-4.4.11-gentoo
(chroot) sysresccd / #
 
(chroot) sysresccd / # grep EFI /usr/src/linux/.config
CONFIG_EFI_PARTITION=y
CONFIG_EFI=y
CONFIG_EFI_STUB=y
CONFIG_EFI_MIXED=y
CONFIG_FB_EFI=y
CONFIG_DMI_SCAN_MACHINE_NON_EFI_FALLBACK=y
# EFI (Extensible Firmware Interface) Support
CONFIG_EFI_VARS=y
CONFIG_EFI_ESRT=y
CONFIG_EFI_RUNTIME_MAP=y
# CONFIG_EFI_FAKE_MEMMAP is not set
CONFIG_EFI_RUNTIME_WRAPPERS=y
CONFIG_CACHEFILES=m
# CONFIG_CACHEFILES_DEBUG is not set
# CONFIG_CACHEFILES_HISTOGRAM is not set
CONFIG_EFIVAR_FS=y
# CONFIG_EARLY_PRINTK_EFI is not set
# CONFIG_EFI_PGT_DUMP is not set
(chroot) sysresccd / #
 
(chroot) sysresccd / # efibootmgr -v
BootCurrent: 0004
Timeout: 2 seconds
BootOrder: ,0005,0001,0003,0002
Boot* Windows Boot Manager  
HD(1,GPT,760df07d-ec40-452f-95ee-cb47acf22069,0x800,0x82000)/File(\EFI\Microsoft\Boot\bootmgfw.efi)WINDOWS.x...B.C.D.O.B.J.E.C.T.=.{.9.d.e.a.8.6.2.c.-.5.c.d.d.-.4.e.7.0.-.a.c.c.1.-.f.3.2.b.3.4.4.d.4.7.9.5.}
Boot0001* Internal Storage  
FvVol(a881d567-6cb0-4eee-8435-2e72d33e45b5)/FvFile(50670071-478f-4be7-ad13-8754f379c62f)SDD.
Boot0002* USB Storage   
FvVol(a881d567-6cb0-4eee-8435-2e72d33e45b5)/FvFile(50670071-478f-4be7-ad13-8754f379c62f)USB.
Boot0003* PXE Network   

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] How to be a penguin.

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

Am 31.05.2016 um 02:32 schrieb Alan Grimes:
> Dale wrote:
>> Do you really want a answer to that?  Seriously?  You asked so I guess
>> you do.  Here it is.  Yes!  lol  The way you do things, and continue to
>> do things, even after having several VERY experienced users tell you
>> that the way you are doing things is wrong pretty much says it all.  If
>> I post that I was doing something and getting a bad result and someone
>> such as Neil and/or Alan McKinnon tells me I am doing it wrong, you can
>> bet your last dollar that I am about to change how I do things.  Why, if
>> either or both of them tell me I am doing something wrong, I'm doing it
>> wrong.  If I continue to do things the same way, well, that would be my
>> fault not members of this list or emerge/portage.  So far, I don't
>> recall seeing a single post that supports how your script is set up. 
>> Not one, except you of course. 
> This is linux, not Windows 10.

doing stupid things is stupid. No matter which system you are using.
>
> The key difference is that I get to decide how I want my computer to
> run. =|

if you decide to act stupid, don't complain.
>
> What I am saying is that recent changes have broken a usage pattern that I 
> was quite content with for more than a decade. =\

so you got away with stupid behaviour for a while, but now reality has
caught up with you. But instead of rethinking your approach or listening
to the advise of others you insist on continuing with your broken crap.
Sounds stupid.

>
>> Here's a idea.  Since YOU are the only one having this problem, why
>> don't YOU change what you are doing to something that actually works? 
>> What you are doing doesn't work.  Try something else.  Funny how those
>> "stupid" checks work for everyone else. 
> I'm at 193/250 right now so therefore all discussion of changing my
> procedures is tabled until the next time I have troubles (next month...)

pretty much whenever your run your stupid script.

>
> I mentioned this before.  If you keep posting but then refuse to accept
> help, people will start ignoring or blocking your messages.  Based on
> the posts that I see, I suspect some may have already.  At some point,
> even I will.  I've only ever blocked one other person on this list.  I
> can see that doubling at some point because you don't come here for help
> or accept any when it is given.  You just come here to gripe about
> things not working like you want when it is your method that is broken. 
> 
>
>
> May I remind you that most modern software has a "check for updates" button 
> that is fully automated... 
>
> May I also point out that the stated gentoo update process, of "emerge sync ; 
> emerge --update world rarely actually works or does not have the intended 
> effect without a several dozen qualifiers. I point out here that the 
> qualifiers I use were selected from the ones provided by portage. 
really? just tried. It worked. What am I doing wrong?

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] How to be a penguin.

[Alan Grimes]

Gregory Woodbury wrote:
> What the...?
> Do you have every package there is installed?  The worst updates I
> have seen
> are only 40-50 packages.  403 being 25% implies around 1600 - 1700
> packages.
> Actually that seems about right, but why are you getting that many
> updates? You
> may have maladjusted USE flags or keywords to make portage think that many
> need an update.  I'm running with ~amd64 set and I check updates once
> a day.

Well, I'm running some stupid number theory code that uses 110% of my
cpu and ram, and my web browsers are CPU hogs, so it's been 6wks/month
since last update. So right now I'm using the -30% of my cpu remaining
to run e-builds. =P   (205/250 atm...)


-- 
IQ is a measure of how stupid you feel.

Powers are not rights.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] How to be a penguin.

[Alan Grimes]

Neil Bothwick wrote:
> Have you read the emerge and portage man pages anytime in the last five
> years?

I tried to extract useful information from the emerge manpage a few days
ago but it contained no useful information, manpages are written in
moonspeak anyway.  I thought portage was just the file database, it
seems to be working perfectly so therefore I have no motive to try to
get any more information about it. I tried to find an on-line wiki about
emerge because that's how shit is documented in the 21st century but
couldn't. I wish I could remember where I got the documentation I needed
to configure the features list I'm using, it's been ages since I've
messed with it...


##
EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS="--jobs=1 --quiet-build=n --verbose"   

FEATURES="sandbox distlocks nostrip parallel-fetch userfetch userpriv
usersandbox splitdebug
-preserve-libs" 
 

##

-- 
IQ is a measure of how stupid you feel.

Powers are not rights.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] How to be a penguin.

[Alan Grimes]

Dale wrote:
> Do you really want a answer to that?  Seriously?  You asked so I guess
> you do.  Here it is.  Yes!  lol  The way you do things, and continue to
> do things, even after having several VERY experienced users tell you
> that the way you are doing things is wrong pretty much says it all.  If
> I post that I was doing something and getting a bad result and someone
> such as Neil and/or Alan McKinnon tells me I am doing it wrong, you can
> bet your last dollar that I am about to change how I do things.  Why, if
> either or both of them tell me I am doing something wrong, I'm doing it
> wrong.  If I continue to do things the same way, well, that would be my
> fault not members of this list or emerge/portage.  So far, I don't
> recall seeing a single post that supports how your script is set up. 
> Not one, except you of course. 

This is linux, not Windows 10.

The key difference is that I get to decide how I want my computer to
run. =|

What I am saying is that recent changes have broken a usage pattern that I was 
quite content with for more than a decade. =\

> Here's a idea.  Since YOU are the only one having this problem, why
> don't YOU change what you are doing to something that actually works? 
> What you are doing doesn't work.  Try something else.  Funny how those
> "stupid" checks work for everyone else. 

I'm at 193/250 right now so therefore all discussion of changing my
procedures is tabled until the next time I have troubles (next month...)

 
I mentioned this before.  If you keep posting but then refuse to accept
help, people will start ignoring or blocking your messages.  Based on
the posts that I see, I suspect some may have already.  At some point,
even I will.  I've only ever blocked one other person on this list.  I
can see that doubling at some point because you don't come here for help
or accept any when it is given.  You just come here to gripe about
things not working like you want when it is your method that is broken. 



May I remind you that most modern software has a "check for updates" button 
that is fully automated... 

May I also point out that the stated gentoo update process, of "emerge sync ; 
emerge --update world rarely actually works or does not have the intended 
effect without a several dozen qualifiers. I point out here that the qualifiers 
I use were selected from the ones provided by portage. 

Now, the question is what qualifiers to use... Regardless of what qualifiers 
you use you will have errors. So therefore you are forced to do something to 
recover from those errors. I have found that it never hurts to blindly skip the 
current package and try the next, so that's exactly what I do. 

When I saw that my updates always had the same sequence of commands, I wrote 
the first versions of my scripts.  Since then, I have edited, and enhanced my 
scripts to either take advantage of good new features such as the built-in 
keep-going command, or to disable features that features, that even once, 
caused me problems, then I do so. If disabling a feature, even once, solves a 
problem I will never attempt to use that feature again. 

So I come here looking for something else to disable because, obviously, the 
problem is that it is checking something that it would be better off not 
checking because the problem it seems to think will happen either won't happen 
or will be so trivial that it won't have any lasting effects on the system. The 
costs in frustration for the check and trying to satisfy the check being many 
orders of magnitude greater than whatever emerge was doing before the incident 
involving water skis, a ramp, and the proverbial SHARK. 

Instead I'm told that I'm an idiot and should switch to some unspicified but 
vastly more laborious process involving manually second-guessing the build 
order or some such nonsense... =\






-- 
IQ is a measure of how stupid you feel.

Powers are not rights.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: wpa_supplicant troubles with newly installed gentoo

[Jackson Darule]

> On May 30, 2016, at 18:24, walt  wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 30 May 2016 17:34:14 -0500
> Jackson Darule > wrote:
> 
>>> On May 30, 2016, at 16:38, Mick  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Monday 30 May 2016 14:09:27 Jackson Darule wrote:  
 Hello. I’ve newly installed gentoo, and my wireless hasn’t been
 working. I’ve tried to google and use the wiki to find the answer,
 but was unable to. If people require more information from my
 system, feel free to ask. I’ve been trying to manually configure
 the file for it to work. I’m using WPA2 personal security on my
 wifi. --- /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
 
 update_config=1
 ctrl_interface=DIR=/var/run/wpa_supplicant GROUP=wheel
 
 network={
ssid=“myssid”
#psk=“mypsk”
psk=(the longer form of the psk generated by the terminal
 command to find this) proto=WPA  
>>> 
>>> Change this to:
>>> 
>>> proto=RSN
>>> 
key_mgmt=WPA-PSK
group=CCMP TKIP
pairwise=CCMP TKIP  
>>> 
>>> You probably do not need TKIP
>>> 
 }
 
 running the command “wpa_supplicant -B -Dnl80211 -iwlp3s0
 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf" gives the output
 
 Successfully initialized wpa_supplicant
 ctrl_iface exists and seems to be in use - cannot override it
 Delete ‘/var/run/wpa_supplicant/wlp3s0’ manually if it is not used
 anymore Failed to initialize control interface
 ‘DIR=/var/run/wpa_supplicant GROUP=wheel’. You may have another
 wpa_supplicant process already running or the file was left by an
 unclean termination of wpa_supplicant in which case you will need
 to manually remove this file before starting wpa_supplicant again.
 
 nl80211: deinst ifname=wlp3s0 disabled_11b_rates=0
 
 
 I wanted to ask before manually
 deleting /var/run/wpa_supplicant/wlp3s0 in case this could do
 anything to damage my new system. Is the next step to
 delete /var/run/wpa_supplicant/wlp3s0, or is there another step
 which I should take in order to connect with my wifi.
 
 Thanks.  
>>> 
>>> Do you have a /etc/init.d/net.wlp3s0 symlink to /etc/init.d/net and
>>> have you configured /etc/conf.d/net to include the necessary for
>>> your wireless interface?
>>> 
>>> What do you get when you run '/etc/init.d/net.wlp3s0 start'?
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Regards,
>>> Mick  
>> 
>> I changed the listed options, getting rid of TKIP, and switching to
>> RSN. I have /etc/init.d/net.wlp3s0 symlinked to /etc/init.d/net.
>> Below is the configuration of /etc/conf.d/net.
>> 
>> ——
>> modules_wlp3s0=“wpa_supplicant”
>> wpa_supplicant_wlp3s0=“-Dnl80211”
>> config_wlp3s0=“dhcp”
>> ——
>> 
>> Below is the output of the command /etc/init.d/net.wlp3s0 start
>> —
>> net.wlp3s0   |bringing up interface wlp3s0
>> net.wlp3s0   |starting wpa_supplicant on wlp3s0 …
>> net.wlp3s0   |successfully initialized wpa_supplicant
>> net.wlp3s0   |ctrl_iface exists and seems to be in use - cannot
>> override it net.wlp3s0   |Delete
>> ‘/var/run/wpa_supplicant/wlp3s0’ manually if it is not used anymore
> 
> I'd say delete that file.  It should be recreated every time you start
> your network.
> 
> IIRC I created my /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf by
> running /usr/bin/wpa_gui, which is part of the wpa_supplicant package.
> 
> My .conf file is simpler than yours:
> 
> ctrl_interface=DIR=/run/wpa_supplicant GROUP=wheel
> 
> network={
>ssid="foo"
>scan_ssid=1
>key_mgmt=WPA-PSK
>psk=“bar”
> }

I’m unable to use wpa_gui as I don’t have Xorg installed on my computer. I’ve 
removed /var/run/wpa_supplicant/wlp3s0 and ran /etc/init.d/net.wlp3s0 start. 
This gave the feedback 
net.wlp3s0  | * WARNING: net.wlp3s0 has already started, but is inactive

Is there any further information which could fix this, or is it best to try 
installing it again later, but install Xorg before rebooting into the new 
system so I can use wpa_gui.

Thanks.

[gentoo-user] Re: wpa_supplicant troubles with newly installed gentoo

[walt]

On Mon, 30 May 2016 17:34:14 -0500
Jackson Darule  wrote:

> > On May 30, 2016, at 16:38, Mick  wrote:
> > 
> > On Monday 30 May 2016 14:09:27 Jackson Darule wrote:  
> >> Hello. I’ve newly installed gentoo, and my wireless hasn’t been
> >> working. I’ve tried to google and use the wiki to find the answer,
> >> but was unable to. If people require more information from my
> >> system, feel free to ask. I’ve been trying to manually configure
> >> the file for it to work. I’m using WPA2 personal security on my
> >> wifi. --- /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
> >> 
> >> update_config=1
> >> ctrl_interface=DIR=/var/run/wpa_supplicant GROUP=wheel
> >> 
> >> network={
> >>ssid=“myssid”
> >>#psk=“mypsk”
> >>psk=(the longer form of the psk generated by the terminal
> >> command to find this) proto=WPA  
> > 
> > Change this to:
> > 
> > proto=RSN
> >   
> >>key_mgmt=WPA-PSK
> >>group=CCMP TKIP
> >>pairwise=CCMP TKIP  
> > 
> > You probably do not need TKIP
> >   
> >> }
> >> 
> >> running the command “wpa_supplicant -B -Dnl80211 -iwlp3s0
> >> -c/etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf" gives the output
> >> 
> >> Successfully initialized wpa_supplicant
> >> ctrl_iface exists and seems to be in use - cannot override it
> >> Delete ‘/var/run/wpa_supplicant/wlp3s0’ manually if it is not used
> >> anymore Failed to initialize control interface
> >> ‘DIR=/var/run/wpa_supplicant GROUP=wheel’. You may have another
> >> wpa_supplicant process already running or the file was left by an
> >> unclean termination of wpa_supplicant in which case you will need
> >> to manually remove this file before starting wpa_supplicant again.
> >> 
> >> nl80211: deinst ifname=wlp3s0 disabled_11b_rates=0
> >> 
> >> 
> >> I wanted to ask before manually
> >> deleting /var/run/wpa_supplicant/wlp3s0 in case this could do
> >> anything to damage my new system. Is the next step to
> >> delete /var/run/wpa_supplicant/wlp3s0, or is there another step
> >> which I should take in order to connect with my wifi.
> >> 
> >> Thanks.  
> > 
> > Do you have a /etc/init.d/net.wlp3s0 symlink to /etc/init.d/net and
> > have you configured /etc/conf.d/net to include the necessary for
> > your wireless interface?
> > 
> > What do you get when you run '/etc/init.d/net.wlp3s0 start'?
> > 
> > -- 
> > Regards,
> > Mick  
> 
> I changed the listed options, getting rid of TKIP, and switching to
> RSN. I have /etc/init.d/net.wlp3s0 symlinked to /etc/init.d/net.
> Below is the configuration of /etc/conf.d/net.
> 
> ——
> modules_wlp3s0=“wpa_supplicant”
> wpa_supplicant_wlp3s0=“-Dnl80211”
> config_wlp3s0=“dhcp”
> ——
> 
> Below is the output of the command /etc/init.d/net.wlp3s0 start
> —
> net.wlp3s0|bringing up interface wlp3s0
> net.wlp3s0|starting wpa_supplicant on wlp3s0 …
> net.wlp3s0|successfully initialized wpa_supplicant
> net.wlp3s0|ctrl_iface exists and seems to be in use - cannot
> override it net.wlp3s0|Delete
> ‘/var/run/wpa_supplicant/wlp3s0’ manually if it is not used anymore

I'd say delete that file.  It should be recreated every time you start
your network.

IIRC I created my /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf by
running /usr/bin/wpa_gui, which is part of the wpa_supplicant package.

My .conf file is simpler than yours:

ctrl_interface=DIR=/run/wpa_supplicant GROUP=wheel

network={
ssid="foo"
scan_ssid=1
key_mgmt=WPA-PSK
psk="bar"
}

Re: [gentoo-user] tablet

[Giampiero Gabbiani]

In data martedì 31 maggio 2016 05:55:10, Bill Kenworthy ha scritto:
> On 30/05/16 20:09, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> > On Sat, 28 May 2016 14:46:02 +0300, Thanasis wrote:
> >> On 05/28/2016 09:03 AM, Bill Kenworthy wrote:
> >>> I was just about to spring for a mid range MS surface pro 4 tablet
> >>> when I saw a few posts about hardware problems ... MS hardware is
> >>> usually solid (in contrast to their software! :)
> >>> 
> >>> Are there any other similar tablets out there that are gentoo/Linux
> >>> friendly that are worth looking at?
> >>> 
> >>> I have been using an old Samsung android tablet and google has just
> >>> crossed the line and creeped me out past what I can tolerate so its
> >>> time to move on  :(
> >>> 
> >>> BillK
> >> 
> >> Aquaris M10
> >> 
> >> https://store.bq.com/gl/
> > 
> > Have you actually run Gentoo on one of these?
> 
> Tried to do gentoo on android but was missing some essential settings in
> the kernel available ... and its not the most powerful beast :)  I did
> eventually build a custom cyanogenmod but in the end decided that with a
> failing battery, it wasn't worth it :(
> 
> The surface 4 is running gentoo but but I am running out of chickens
> trying to get the bootloader going ... seems like grub cant see the NVMe
> ssd the sp4 uses and rEFInd is being ... difficult :)
> 
> EFI is like bad magic ... doesn't really work!  My last efi adventure
> was an apple air some 4 years or more ago (which eventually worked) - it
> hasn't progressed much in that time.
> 
> BillK

On both surface Pro and Pro 3 it worked with the following partition:

/dev/sda1 ef00 fat32 512MiB

Grub2 was compiled with device-mapper USE flag and GRUB_PLATFORMS="efi-64"

And installed with 

# grub2-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=/boot/efi --boot-
directory=/boot/efi

What exactly is the problem?

Grub2 succeeded in installation? If yes could you give the efibootmgr output?

Regards
Giampiero

Re: [gentoo-user] wpa_supplicant troubles with newly installed gentoo

[Jackson Darule]

> On May 30, 2016, at 16:38, Mick  wrote:
> 
> On Monday 30 May 2016 14:09:27 Jackson Darule wrote:
>> Hello. I’ve newly installed gentoo, and my wireless hasn’t been working.
>> I’ve tried to google and use the wiki to find the answer, but was unable
>> to. If people require more information from my system, feel free to ask.
>> I’ve been trying to manually configure the file for it to work. I’m using
>> WPA2 personal security on my wifi. ---
>> /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
>> 
>> update_config=1
>> ctrl_interface=DIR=/var/run/wpa_supplicant GROUP=wheel
>> 
>> network={
>>  ssid=“myssid”
>>  #psk=“mypsk”
>>  psk=(the longer form of the psk generated by the terminal command to 
>> find
>> this) proto=WPA
> 
> Change this to:
> 
>   proto=RSN
> 
>>  key_mgmt=WPA-PSK
>>  group=CCMP TKIP
>>  pairwise=CCMP TKIP
> 
> You probably do not need TKIP
> 
>> }
>> 
>> running the command “wpa_supplicant -B -Dnl80211 -iwlp3s0
>> -c/etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf" gives the output
>> 
>> Successfully initialized wpa_supplicant
>> ctrl_iface exists and seems to be in use - cannot override it
>> Delete ‘/var/run/wpa_supplicant/wlp3s0’ manually if it is not used anymore
>> Failed to initialize control interface ‘DIR=/var/run/wpa_supplicant
>> GROUP=wheel’. You may have another wpa_supplicant process already running
>> or the file was left by an unclean termination of wpa_supplicant in which
>> case you will need to manually remove this file before starting
>> wpa_supplicant again.
>> 
>> nl80211: deinst ifname=wlp3s0 disabled_11b_rates=0
>> 
>> 
>> I wanted to ask before manually deleting /var/run/wpa_supplicant/wlp3s0 in
>> case this could do anything to damage my new system. Is the next step to
>> delete /var/run/wpa_supplicant/wlp3s0, or is there another step which I
>> should take in order to connect with my wifi.
>> 
>> Thanks.
> 
> Do you have a /etc/init.d/net.wlp3s0 symlink to /etc/init.d/net and have you 
> configured /etc/conf.d/net to include the necessary for your wireless 
> interface?
> 
> What do you get when you run '/etc/init.d/net.wlp3s0 start'?
> 
> -- 
> Regards,
> Mick

I changed the listed options, getting rid of TKIP, and switching to RSN. I have 
/etc/init.d/net.wlp3s0 symlinked to /etc/init.d/net. Below is the configuration 
of /etc/conf.d/net.

——
modules_wlp3s0=“wpa_supplicant”
wpa_supplicant_wlp3s0=“-Dnl80211”
config_wlp3s0=“dhcp”
——

Below is the output of the command /etc/init.d/net.wlp3s0 start
—
net.wlp3s0  |bringing up interface wlp3s0
net.wlp3s0  |starting wpa_supplicant on wlp3s0 …
net.wlp3s0  |successfully initialized wpa_supplicant
net.wlp3s0  |ctrl_iface exists and seems to be in use - cannot override it
net.wlp3s0  |Delete ‘/var/run/wpa_supplicant/wlp3s0’ manually if it is not 
used anymore
net.wlp3s0  |Failed to initialize control interface 
‘DIR=/var/run/wpa_supplicant GROUP=wheel’.
net.wlp3s0  |You may have another spa_supplicant process already running or 
the file was left by an unclean termination of spa_supplicant in which case you 
will need to manually remove this file before starting spa_supplicant again.
net.wlp3s0  |nl80211: deinst ifname=wlp3s0 disabled_11b_rates=0
net.wlp3s0  |   start-stop-daemon: failed to start 
‘/usr/sbin/wpa_supplicant’
net.wlp3s0  |  ERROR: net.wlp3s0 failed to start
—

Let me know if any more information is needed, and what else I should try.

Thanks.

[gentoo-user] Re: Problems with CUPS and Brother DCP-L8400CDN printer

[James]

Raphael MD  gmail.com> writes:



> I've tried to install a Brother DCP-L8400CDN network laser printer 


'eix -R brother' show me a multitude of brother printer overlays that may 
help. Find the model closest to your printer and edit the overlay(ebuild).


net-print/brother-mfc-235c-drivers [1]
 Available versions:  ~1^s
 Homepage:   
http://welcome.solutions.brother.com/bsc/public_s/id/linux/en/download_prn.html#DCP-J315W
 Description: Brother DCP-J315W LPR+cupswrapper drivers

* net-print/brother-mfc-j265w-drivers
 Available versions:  ~1^s[1] ~1^s[5]
 Homepage:   
http://welcome.solutions.brother.com/bsc/public_s/id/linux/en/download_prn.html#DCP-J315W
 Description: Brother DCP-J315W LPR+cupswrapper drivers

* net-print/brother-mfcj480dw [2]
 Available versions:  ~20150110^s {metric}
 Homepage:   
http://support.brother.com/g/b/downloadtop.aspx?c=us=en=mfcj480dw_us_eu_as
 Description: Brother MFC-J480DW LPR+cupswrapper drivers

* net-print/brother-hl5340d-drivers



I have a collection of links to older brother documentation for gentoo
hacked brother installs. Let me know if you want that list of other's
methods to get them to work with cups.

Sorry things are not in better shape, no gentoo
dev has embraced setting up bother printer installations for gentoo
as other distros have. So you have to experiment and hack your way
to success. Lots of folks have done this over the years 



hth,
James

[gentoo-user] Re: Problems with CUPS and Brother DCP-L8400CDN printer

[James]

Raphael MD  gmail.com> writes:


> I've tried to install a Brother DCP-L8400CDN network laser printer on
> my Gentoo.


Maybe Helmut had some success?

http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user

Or your favorite way to read old gentoo posts from 19May2016.

hth, 
James

Re: [gentoo-user] tablet

[Bill Kenworthy]

On 30/05/16 20:09, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Sat, 28 May 2016 14:46:02 +0300, Thanasis wrote:
> 
>> On 05/28/2016 09:03 AM, Bill Kenworthy wrote:
>>> I was just about to spring for a mid range MS surface pro 4 tablet
>>> when I saw a few posts about hardware problems ... MS hardware is
>>> usually solid (in contrast to their software! :)
>>>
>>> Are there any other similar tablets out there that are gentoo/Linux
>>> friendly that are worth looking at?
>>>
>>> I have been using an old Samsung android tablet and google has just
>>> crossed the line and creeped me out past what I can tolerate so its
>>> time to move on  :(
>>>
>>> BillK
>>>  
>>
>> Aquaris M10
>>
>> https://store.bq.com/gl/
> 
> Have you actually run Gentoo on one of these?
> 
> 

Tried to do gentoo on android but was missing some essential settings in
the kernel available ... and its not the most powerful beast :)  I did
eventually build a custom cyanogenmod but in the end decided that with a
failing battery, it wasn't worth it :(

The surface 4 is running gentoo but but I am running out of chickens
trying to get the bootloader going ... seems like grub cant see the NVMe
ssd the sp4 uses and rEFInd is being ... difficult :)

EFI is like bad magic ... doesn't really work!  My last efi adventure
was an apple air some 4 years or more ago (which eventually worked) - it
hasn't progressed much in that time.

BillK

Re: [gentoo-user] wpa_supplicant troubles with newly installed gentoo

[Mick]

On Monday 30 May 2016 14:09:27 Jackson Darule wrote:
> Hello. I’ve newly installed gentoo, and my wireless hasn’t been working.
> I’ve tried to google and use the wiki to find the answer, but was unable
> to. If people require more information from my system, feel free to ask.
> I’ve been trying to manually configure the file for it to work. I’m using
> WPA2 personal security on my wifi. ---
> /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
> 
> update_config=1
> ctrl_interface=DIR=/var/run/wpa_supplicant GROUP=wheel
> 
> network={
>   ssid=“myssid”
>   #psk=“mypsk”
>   psk=(the longer form of the psk generated by the terminal command to 
> find
> this) proto=WPA

Change this to:

proto=RSN

>   key_mgmt=WPA-PSK
>   group=CCMP TKIP
>   pairwise=CCMP TKIP

You probably do not need TKIP

> }
> 
> running the command “wpa_supplicant -B -Dnl80211 -iwlp3s0
> -c/etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf" gives the output
> 
> Successfully initialized wpa_supplicant
> ctrl_iface exists and seems to be in use - cannot override it
> Delete ‘/var/run/wpa_supplicant/wlp3s0’ manually if it is not used anymore
> Failed to initialize control interface ‘DIR=/var/run/wpa_supplicant
> GROUP=wheel’. You may have another wpa_supplicant process already running
> or the file was left by an unclean termination of wpa_supplicant in which
> case you will need to manually remove this file before starting
> wpa_supplicant again.
> 
> nl80211: deinst ifname=wlp3s0 disabled_11b_rates=0
> 
> 
> I wanted to ask before manually deleting /var/run/wpa_supplicant/wlp3s0 in
> case this could do anything to damage my new system. Is the next step to
> delete /var/run/wpa_supplicant/wlp3s0, or is there another step which I
> should take in order to connect with my wifi.
> 
> Thanks.

Do you have a /etc/init.d/net.wlp3s0 symlink to /etc/init.d/net and have you 
configured /etc/conf.d/net to include the necessary for your wireless 
interface?

What do you get when you run '/etc/init.d/net.wlp3s0 start'?

-- 
Regards,
Mick

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[gentoo-user] Problems with CUPS and Brother DCP-L8400CDN printer

[Raphael MD]

Hello.

I've tried to install a Brother DCP-L8400CDN network laser printer on my
Gentoo.

I've followed Gentoo Wiki instructions and have used official Brother's
driver.

The CUPS works fine with my other printer one old HP 2600N, but when I send
any doc to Brother, the printer prints a blank page with the follow message
on top:

lpadmin -p DCPL8400CDN -E -v usb:/dev/usb/lp0 -P
/usr/share//cups/model/Brother...

Very strange because my printer is a network printer and not USB printer.

I've tried a lot to install this printer.

Anyone can hep me?

Thanks.

Raphael Mejias Dias

Re: [gentoo-user] kde-apps/libksane blocker

[Dale]

Daniel Frey wrote:
> On 05/29/2016 08:20 PM, Dale wrote:
>> Howdy,
>>
>> I'm trying to do a update and have this last blocker that I can't figure
>> out.  I fixed another one but this one doesn't make sense to me.  Here
>> is the relevant output.
>>
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>> As you can see, none of them are keyworded so it should be able to use
>> the latest packages.  I just synced a hour or so ago so this may be more
>> up to date than you may have on your system.  It's why I am including
>> the info here. 
>>
>> Is it possible I caught the tree in the middle of a update and I need to
>> sync again?  Is my old eyes missing something obvious?  Or, is it what I
>> think, a conflict that can't yet be solved because of a hard dependency? 
>>
>> Looking for thoughts, ideas, suggestions. 
>>
>> Dale
>>
>> :-)  :-) 
>>
>>
> Are you using plasma? I was but it was crashing every 10 seconds so I
> went back to kde4 and masked all kde-related packages >4.15. I also
> disabled the wallpapers.
>
> I just installed a scanner yesterday (ironically) and I didn't see this
> issue when rebuilding.
>
> Dan
>
>


Yea, I switched a while back and so far, it works OK.  It is a bit
different and my clock on the little panel thingy at the bottom of the
screen winks at me from time to time.  Other than that tho, it works OK. 

Most likely, you are still using the older versions.  This just might be
a actual bug but before I file one, I want to hear from someone else who
can confirm it. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

P. S.  I hate breaking down a lawn mower tire when it is 92F outside
with some humidity.  Also, I live under a large hill, no wind.   I guess
it could be 98F tho.  o_O 

[gentoo-user] Re: Stage-4 install semantics

[James]

James  tampabay.rr.com> writes:

> So there seems to an ever expanding list of stage4 files. 

Previously::


Further searching reveals::

Catalyst [1] 

grsrun [2]

Perhaps Ansible [?] installs of stage-4 after another tool
creates the images

Anyone have any experience with creating stage4 images?
My efforts are pretty much for images for custom installs on the same
hardware for cluster builds and testing. But, the process should be the same
for backups, installs, image sharing and embedded systems bootup.

All comments, suggestions and questions are welcome.
James

[1] https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Catalyst

[2] https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:RelEng_GRS

[gentoo-user] xbmc-13 upgrade to kodi-14 - no physical keyboard input

[Daniel Frey]

I finally got around to upgrading all my frontends to kodi-14, and none
of them have any usb keyboard input. I have a physical keyboard plugged
in and it doesn't respond to keypresses.

USB support is built in as the mouse and IR work. The onscreen keyboard
works too, but for some reason the physical one doesn't.

I've noticed some USE changes but none of them "stick out" as a
"must-have-for-physical-keyboard" requirement.

Anyone come across this or have any suggestions?

The old xbmc-13 version did not have this issue.

Dan

Re: [gentoo-user] kde-apps/libksane blocker

[Daniel Frey]

On 05/29/2016 08:20 PM, Dale wrote:
> Howdy,
> 
> I'm trying to do a update and have this last blocker that I can't figure
> out.  I fixed another one but this one doesn't make sense to me.  Here
> is the relevant output.
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> As you can see, none of them are keyworded so it should be able to use
> the latest packages.  I just synced a hour or so ago so this may be more
> up to date than you may have on your system.  It's why I am including
> the info here. 
> 
> Is it possible I caught the tree in the middle of a update and I need to
> sync again?  Is my old eyes missing something obvious?  Or, is it what I
> think, a conflict that can't yet be solved because of a hard dependency? 
> 
> Looking for thoughts, ideas, suggestions. 
> 
> Dale
> 
> :-)  :-) 
> 
> 

Are you using plasma? I was but it was crashing every 10 seconds so I
went back to kde4 and masked all kde-related packages >4.15. I also
disabled the wallpapers.

I just installed a scanner yesterday (ironically) and I didn't see this
issue when rebuilding.

Dan

[gentoo-user] Stage-4 install semantics

[James]

Hello,

So there seems to an ever expanding list of stage4 files. Is there a generic
install semantic that (mostly) fits all stage4 installs, or is each one
slightly different. Any reference docs or forum discussions on stage4 installs
is appreciated (try to package up and emulate what others do). I'm looking for
2016 info, not the vintage stage4 info


Here are a few examples::
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi#Stage_4

https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/2016/
Ideas/Stage4_Console_Configurator

http://www.tutorials.chymera.eu/blog/2014/05/18/mkstage4-stage4-
tarballs-made-easy/


curiously,
James

[gentoo-user] wpa_supplicant troubles with newly installed gentoo

[Jackson Darule]

Hello. I’ve newly installed gentoo, and my wireless hasn’t been working. I’ve 
tried to google and use the wiki to find the answer, but was unable to.
If people require more information from my system, feel free to ask. I’ve been 
trying to manually configure the file for it to work. I’m using WPA2 personal 
security on my wifi.
---
/etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf

update_config=1
ctrl_interface=DIR=/var/run/wpa_supplicant GROUP=wheel

network={
ssid=“myssid”
#psk=“mypsk”
psk=(the longer form of the psk generated by the terminal command to 
find this)
proto=WPA
key_mgmt=WPA-PSK
group=CCMP TKIP
pairwise=CCMP TKIP
}

running the command “wpa_supplicant -B -Dnl80211 -iwlp3s0 
-c/etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf" gives the output

Successfully initialized wpa_supplicant
ctrl_iface exists and seems to be in use - cannot override it
Delete ‘/var/run/wpa_supplicant/wlp3s0’ manually if it is not used anymore
Failed to initialize control interface ‘DIR=/var/run/wpa_supplicant 
GROUP=wheel’.
You may have another wpa_supplicant process already running or the file was
left by an unclean termination of wpa_supplicant in which case you will need
to manually remove this file before starting wpa_supplicant again.

nl80211: deinst ifname=wlp3s0 disabled_11b_rates=0


I wanted to ask before manually deleting /var/run/wpa_supplicant/wlp3s0 in case 
this could do anything to damage my new system. Is the next step to delete 
/var/run/wpa_supplicant/wlp3s0, or is there another step which I should take in 
order to connect with my wifi.

Thanks.

Re: [gentoo-user] kde-apps/libksane blocker

[Dale]

New but somewhat related problem. 


Calculating dependencies... done!
[ebuild U ~] kde-apps/kde-meta-16.04.1:5::gentoo [15.12.3:5::gentoo]
0 KiB
[ebuild U ~]  kde-apps/kde-apps-meta-16.04.1:5::gentoo
[15.12.3-r3:5::gentoo] USE="nls -accessibility -minimal -pim -sdk" 0 KiB
[ebuild U ~]   kde-apps/kdenetwork-meta-16.04.1:5::gentoo
[15.12.3-r1:5::gentoo] USE="ppp telepathy%*" 0 KiB
[ebuild  N~]kde-apps/plasma-telepathy-meta-16.04.1:5::gentoo 
USE="nls -gstreamer" 0 KiB
[ebuild  N~] kde-apps/ktp-accounts-kcm-16.04.1:5::gentoo 
USE="-debug -experimental" 0 KiB
[ebuild  N~]  kde-apps/kaccounts-providers-16.04.1:5::gentoo 
USE="-debug" 0 KiB
[ebuild  N ]  
net-im/telepathy-connection-managers-2-r2::gentoo  USE="irc xmpp yahoo
zeroconf -gadu -icq -meanwhile -msn -sip -sipe -steam" 0 KiB
[ebuild  N ]net-voip/telepathy-gabble-0.18.3::gentoo 
USE="gnutls -jingle -plugins {-test}" 0 KiB

Total: 8 packages (3 upgrades, 5 new), Size of downloads: 0 KiB


And the build.log, relevant part.


/bin/sh ../libtool  --tag=CC   --mode=compile x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc
-std=gnu99 -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I..-Wall -Wextra
-Wdeclaration-after-statement -Wshadow -Wstrict-prototypes
-Wmissing-declarations -Wmissing-prototypes -Wsign-compare
-Wnested-externs -Wpointer-arith -Wformat-security -Winit-self
-Wno-missing-field-initializers -Wno-deprecated-declarations
-Wno-unused-parameter -I.. -I.. -I/usr/include/dbus-1.0
-I/usr/lib64/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/include/glib-2.0
-I/usr/lib64/glib-2.0/include  -pthread -I/usr/include/glib-2.0
-I/usr/lib64/glib-2.0/include  -pthread
-I/var/tmp/portage/net-voip/telepathy-gabble-0.18.3/work/telepathy-gabble-0.18.3/lib/ext/wocky
-I/var/tmp/portage/net-voip/telepathy-gabble-0.18.3/work/telepathy-gabble-0.18.3/lib/ext/wocky/wocky
-I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib64/glib-2.0/include  -pthread
-I/usr/include/telepathy-1.0 -I/usr/include/dbus-1.0
-I/usr/lib64/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/include/glib-2.0
-I/usr/lib64/glib-2.0/include -pthread -I/usr/include/glib-2.0
-I/usr/lib64/glib-2.0/include  -I ../lib -I ../lib
-DG_LOG_DOMAIN=\"gabble\"
-DPLUGIN_DIR=\"/usr/lib64/telepathy/gabble-0/plugins\"  -march=native
-O2 -pipe -c -o muc-factory.lo muc-factory.c
libtool: compile:  x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -std=gnu99 -DHAVE_CONFIG_H
-I. -I.. -Wall -Wextra -Wdeclaration-after-statement -Wshadow
-Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-declarations -Wmissing-prototypes
-Wsign-compare -Wnested-externs -Wpointer-arith -Wformat-security
-Winit-self -Wno-missing-field-initializers -Wno-deprecated-declarations
-Wno-unused-parameter -I.. -I.. -I/usr/include/dbus-1.0
-I/usr/lib64/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/include/glib-2.0
-I/usr/lib64/glib-2.0/include -pthread -I/usr/include/glib-2.0
-I/usr/lib64/glib-2.0/include -pthread
-I/var/tmp/portage/net-voip/telepathy-gabble-0.18.3/work/telepathy-gabble-0.18.3/lib/ext/wocky
-I/var/tmp/portage/net-voip/telepathy-gabble-0.18.3/work/telepathy-gabble-0.18.3/lib/ext/wocky/wocky
-I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib64/glib-2.0/include -pthread
-I/usr/include/telepathy-1.0 -I/usr/include/dbus-1.0
-I/usr/lib64/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/include/glib-2.0
-I/usr/lib64/glib-2.0/include -pthread -I/usr/include/glib-2.0
-I/usr/lib64/glib-2.0/include -I ../lib -I ../lib
-DG_LOG_DOMAIN=\"gabble\"
-DPLUGIN_DIR=\"/usr/lib64/telepathy/gabble-0/plugins\" -march=native -O2
-pipe -c muc-factory.c  -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/muc-factory.o
/bin/sh ../libtool  --tag=CC   --mode=compile x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc
-std=gnu99 -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I..-Wall -Wextra
-Wdeclaration-after-statement -Wshadow -Wstrict-prototypes
-Wmissing-declarations -Wmissing-prototypes -Wsign-compare
-Wnested-externs -Wpointer-arith -Wformat-security -Winit-self
-Wno-missing-field-initializers -Wno-deprecated-declarations
-Wno-unused-parameter -I.. -I.. -I/usr/include/dbus-1.0
-I/usr/lib64/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/include/glib-2.0
-I/usr/lib64/glib-2.0/include  -pthread -I/usr/include/glib-2.0
-I/usr/lib64/glib-2.0/include  -pthread
-I/var/tmp/portage/net-voip/telepathy-gabble-0.18.3/work/telepathy-gabble-0.18.3/lib/ext/wocky
-I/var/tmp/portage/net-voip/telepathy-gabble-0.18.3/work/telepathy-gabble-0.18.3/lib/ext/wocky/wocky
-I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib64/glib-2.0/include  -pthread
-I/usr/include/telepathy-1.0 -I/usr/include/dbus-1.0
-I/usr/lib64/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/include/glib-2.0
-I/usr/lib64/glib-2.0/include -pthread -I/usr/include/glib-2.0
-I/usr/lib64/glib-2.0/include  -I ../lib -I ../lib
-DG_LOG_DOMAIN=\"gabble\"
-DPLUGIN_DIR=\"/usr/lib64/telepathy/gabble-0/plugins\"  -march=native
-O2 -pipe -c -o muc-tube-dbus.lo muc-tube-dbus.c
muc-channel.c: In function ‘gabble_muc_channel_can_be_closed’:
muc-channel.c:1650:11: error: ‘GabbleMucChannelPrivate’ has no member
named ‘calls’
   if (priv->calls != NULL || priv->call_requests != NULL
   ^
muc-channel.c:1650:34: error: ‘GabbleMucChannelPrivate’ has no member
named ‘call_requests’
   if (priv->calls != NULL || priv->call_requests 

Re: [gentoo-user] tablet

[Thanasis]

On 05/30/2016 03:09 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote:



Aquaris M10

https://store.bq.com/gl/


Have you actually run Gentoo on one of these?



No, because I haven't even got one.

Re: [gentoo-user] kde-apps/libksane blocker

[Dale]

Alan McKinnon wrote:
>
>
>
> There is only one problem here:
>
> kde-apps/libksane-16.04.1 blocks any version of
> 
> But portage wants to install kde-apps/libksane-15.08.3 which triggers
> the block.
>
> You need to find out why portage isn't giving you the latest libksane:4
>
> - do you have kde-apps/libksane-15.08.3-r1 in your tree? If not, resync
> - is this an arch or ~arch machine? If arch, do you have any unmasks
> for libksane:5?
>
> grep -r ksane /etc/portage
>
>
> If all else fails,
> emerge =kde-apps/libksane-15.08.3-r1
> and inspect the error closely. That will tell you why portage decided
> to not give you that version
>
>


OK.  Between your post and Neil's reply, success.  I'm not real sure
which hit best but it gave me ideas to try and run with since I was
stuck.  I'm not even sure what all I tried now either.  However, here is
the output of that nifty grep command. 

root@fireball / # grep -r ksane /etc/portage
/etc/portage/package.accept_keywords/package.accept_keywords:=kde-apps/ksaneplugin-16.04.1
~amd64
/etc/portage/package.accept_keywords/package.accept_keywords:=kde-apps/libksane-15.08.3-r1
/etc/portage/package.accept_keywords/package.accept_keywords:=kde-apps/libksane-16.04.1
~amd64
/etc/portage/package.use/package.use:kde-apps/libksane  minimal
root@fireball / #

I did have more than that but I removed everything related and started
over.  That was the end result, after emerge spit out some more stuff. 
I think I had something in there that may have been needed prior to this
but was causing a problem now.  Neil's reply gave me that hint. 

And then a package fails to build.  Now to see what that is all about.  :/ 

Thanks much to both you and Neil.  :-)  If only that other Alan would
listen to you two.  ROFL

Dale

:-)  :-) 

[gentoo-user] Re: Dolphin peculiarities with plasma5

[»Q«]

On Mon, 30 May 2016 16:16:24 +
"J. Roeleveld"  wrote:

> On May 30, 2016 5:11:03 PM GMT+02:00, "»Q«"  wrote:
> >On Mon, 30 May 2016 09:35:47 +0200
> >Alan McKinnon  wrote:
> >  
> >> Does "eix kioslaves" show anything you don't have installed? A long
> >> time ago I recall installing all of those I thought I might ever
> >> need, and several issues just went away.  
> >
> >Thanks for this.  I don't have the OP's issues, but I'd lost
> >thumbnails in Dolphin, and installing
> >kde-apps/kdesdk-kioslaves-15.12.3 got them back for me.  
> 
> If you're looking for any other kioslaves, try "eix kio".

Thanks for that.  After following Alan's post, I already had all the
ones that have slot 5 versions, so I think everything which could be
covered is covered.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Dolphin peculiarities with plasma5

[J. Roeleveld]

On May 30, 2016 5:11:03 PM GMT+02:00, "»Q«"  wrote:
>On Mon, 30 May 2016 09:35:47 +0200
>Alan McKinnon  wrote:
>
>> Does "eix kioslaves" show anything you don't have installed? A long
>> time ago I recall installing all of those I thought I might ever
>> need, and several issues just went away.
>
>Thanks for this.  I don't have the OP's issues, but I'd lost thumbnails
>in Dolphin, and installing kde-apps/kdesdk-kioslaves-15.12.3 got them
>back for me.

If you're looking for any other kioslaves, try "eix kio".

--
Joost
-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

[gentoo-user] Re: Dolphin peculiarities with plasma5

[»Q«]

On Mon, 30 May 2016 09:35:47 +0200
Alan McKinnon  wrote:

> Does "eix kioslaves" show anything you don't have installed? A long
> time ago I recall installing all of those I thought I might ever
> need, and several issues just went away.

Thanks for this.  I don't have the OP's issues, but I'd lost thumbnails
in Dolphin, and installing kde-apps/kdesdk-kioslaves-15.12.3 got them
back for me.

Re: [gentoo-user] tablet

[Neil Bothwick]

On Sat, 28 May 2016 14:46:02 +0300, Thanasis wrote:

> On 05/28/2016 09:03 AM, Bill Kenworthy wrote:
> > I was just about to spring for a mid range MS surface pro 4 tablet
> > when I saw a few posts about hardware problems ... MS hardware is
> > usually solid (in contrast to their software! :)
> >
> > Are there any other similar tablets out there that are gentoo/Linux
> > friendly that are worth looking at?
> >
> > I have been using an old Samsung android tablet and google has just
> > crossed the line and creeped me out past what I can tolerate so its
> > time to move on  :(
> >
> > BillK
> >  
> 
> Aquaris M10
> 
> https://store.bq.com/gl/

Have you actually run Gentoo on one of these?


-- 
Neil Bothwick

(A)bort, (R)etry, (P)retend this never happened...


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Re: [gentoo-user] kde-apps/libksane blocker

[Neil Bothwick]

On Mon, 30 May 2016 05:08:47 -0500, Dale wrote:


> I removed all libksane versions and it still pukes.  I then did a equery
> list *sane* and -C'd all that too.  None of that will cause a crash or
> anything.  Anyway, it still isn't happy.  After doing all that, I had a
> thought.  Add the -t option.  It didn't help much but at least I finally
> thought of it.  lol  Here is the current upset pixels with the -t added
> in. 
> 
> 
> [nomerge   ] kde-apps/kdenetwork-meta-16.04.1:5::gentoo
> [15.12.3-r1:5::gentoo] USE="ppp telepathy%*"
> [ebuild U ~]  kde-apps/kget-16.04.1:4/16.04::gentoo
> [15.12.3:4/15.12::gentoo] USE="handbook sqlite webkit (-aqua)
> -bittorrent -debug -gpg -mms" 1,057 KiB
> [ebuild U ~]  kde-apps/kppp-16.04.1:4/16.04::gentoo
> [15.12.3:4/15.12::gentoo] USE="handbook (-aqua) -debug" 684 KiB
> [ebuild U ~]  kde-apps/zeroconf-ioslave-16.04.1:4/16.04::gentoo
> [15.12.3:4/15.12::gentoo] USE="(-aqua) -debug" 26 KiB
> [nomerge   ] kde-apps/kdegraphics-meta-16.04.1:5::gentoo
> [15.12.3:5::gentoo] USE="scanner"
> [ebuild  N~]  kde-apps/kolourpaint-16.04.1:4/16.04::gentoo 
> USE="handbook scanner (-aqua) -debug" 0 KiB
> [ebuild U ~] 
> kde-apps/kdegraphics-mobipocket-16.04.1-r1:4/16.04::gentoo
> [15.12.3:4/15.12::gentoo] USE="(-aqua) -debug" 15 KiB
> [ebuild U ~]  kde-apps/svgpart-16.04.1:4/16.04::gentoo
> [15.12.3:4/15.12::gentoo] USE="(-aqua) -debug" 9 KiB
> [ebuild  N~]  kde-apps/ksaneplugin-16.04.1:4/16.04::gentoo 
> USE="(-aqua) -debug" 0 KiB
> [ebuild  N ]   kde-apps/libksane-15.08.3:4/15.08::gentoo 
 ^^^
> USE="minimal (-aqua) -debug" 0 KiB

[snip]

> [blocks B  ]  (" kde-apps/libksane-16.04.1)

Here's your problem, 16.04.1 can only co-exists with 15.03.3-r1 or
higher, but you are trying to install 15.03.3. The -r1 version is
testing, it hasn't been stabilised yet. Try adding it to
package.accept_keywords.

If that fixes it, file a stabilisation bug.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

Modulation in all things.


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Re: [gentoo-user] kde-apps/libksane blocker

[Alan McKinnon]

On 30/05/2016 12:08, Dale wrote:

Alan McKinnon wrote:

On 30/05/2016 05:20, Dale wrote:

Howdy,

I'm trying to do a update and have this last blocker that I can't figure
out.  I fixed another one but this one doesn't make sense to me.  Here
is the relevant output.



Portage is abusing your pixels (using too many). Here's the important
bits:


[blocks B  ] 

This is the only important blocker ("blocks B")

procps stuff that followed is just a long explanation of why portage
kept procps back and didn't upgrade


Yea, I included more than what was needed and I already worked around
procps.  It's gone already.




   * Error: The above package list contains packages which cannot be
   * installed at the same time on the same system.


The asterisks indicate this is part relevant to hard blockers and
failures. (bangs ! indicate info or warnings, not errors)


(kde-apps/libksane-15.08.3:4/15.08::gentoo, installed) pulled in by
  >=kde-apps/libksane-4.14.3:4[aqua=]
(>=kde-apps/libksane-4.14.3:4[-aqua]) required by
(kde-apps/ksaneplugin-16.04.1:4/16.04::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for
merge)
  >=kde-apps/libksane-4.14.3:4[aqua=]
(>=kde-apps/libksane-4.14.3:4[-aqua]) required by
(kde-apps/kolourpaint-16.04.1:4/16.04::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for
merge)

(kde-apps/libksane-16.04.1:5/5::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge)
pulled in by
  >=kde-apps/libksane-14.12.0:5 required by
(kde-misc/skanlite-2.0:5/5::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge)
  >=kde-apps/libksane-16.04.1 required by
(kde-apps/kdegraphics-meta-16.04.1:5/5::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for
merge)




So this is really a clash between KDE4 stuff and KDE5 stuff, and
nothing is demanding a certain maximum version, so upgrades should in
theory be clean. I'm not at a Gentoo machine right now so can't give
exact info, but do this:

eix libksane
- is 15.08.3-r1 the latest version in :4? If not, upgrade it manually
and continue.
- does 15.08.3-r1 have a minimal USE? If so, set it on. This often
removes the clash with :5

If all else fails, quickpkg and unmerge all libksane version, emerge
world and let portage fix whatever it needs to.

/alanm




I removed all libksane versions and it still pukes.  I then did a equery
list *sane* and -C'd all that too.  None of that will cause a crash or
anything.  Anyway, it still isn't happy.  After doing all that, I had a
thought.  Add the -t option.  It didn't help much but at least I finally
thought of it.  lol  Here is the current upset pixels with the -t added
in.


[snip]


[blocks B  ] =kde-apps/libksane-4.14.3:4[aqua=]
(>=kde-apps/libksane-4.14.3:4[-aqua]) required by
(kde-apps/ksaneplugin-16.04.1:4/16.04::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge)
 >=kde-apps/libksane-4.14.3:4[aqua=]
(>=kde-apps/libksane-4.14.3:4[-aqua]) required by
(kde-apps/kolourpaint-16.04.1:4/16.04::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge)

   (kde-apps/libksane-16.04.1:5/5::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge)
pulled in by
 >=kde-apps/libksane-14.12.0:5 required by
(kde-misc/skanlite-2.0:5/5::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge)
 >=kde-apps/libksane-16.04.1 required by
(kde-apps/kdegraphics-meta-16.04.1:5/5::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge)


For more information about Blocked Packages, please refer to the following
section of the Gentoo Linux x86 Handbook (architecture is irrelevant):



To me, it seems two packages want one version and two other packages
want the other and both can't be there at the same time.  Right now, I
can't quite find the right key to unlock this thing.  By the way, I did
sync again just to be sure.  I also set the minimal USE flag in
package.use for that too.




There is only one problem here:

kde-apps/libksane-16.04.1 blocks any version of 


But portage wants to install kde-apps/libksane-15.08.3 which triggers 
the block.


You need to find out why portage isn't giving you the latest libksane:4

- do you have kde-apps/libksane-15.08.3-r1 in your tree? If not, resync
- is this an arch or ~arch machine? If arch, do you have any unmasks for 
libksane:5?


grep -r ksane /etc/portage


If all else fails,
emerge =kde-apps/libksane-15.08.3-r1
and inspect the error closely. That will tell you why portage decided to 
not give you that version

Re: [gentoo-user] kde-apps/libksane blocker

[Dale]

Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On 30/05/2016 05:20, Dale wrote:
>> Howdy,
>>
>> I'm trying to do a update and have this last blocker that I can't figure
>> out.  I fixed another one but this one doesn't make sense to me.  Here
>> is the relevant output.
>
>
> Portage is abusing your pixels (using too many). Here's the important
> bits:
>
>> [blocks B  ] > ("> kde-apps/libksane-16.04.1)
>
> This is the only important blocker ("blocks B")
>
> procps stuff that followed is just a long explanation of why portage
> kept procps back and didn't upgrade

Yea, I included more than what was needed and I already worked around
procps.  It's gone already. 

>
>>   * Error: The above package list contains packages which cannot be
>>   * installed at the same time on the same system.
>
> The asterisks indicate this is part relevant to hard blockers and
> failures. (bangs ! indicate info or warnings, not errors)
>
>>(kde-apps/libksane-15.08.3:4/15.08::gentoo, installed) pulled in by
>>  >=kde-apps/libksane-4.14.3:4[aqua=]
>> (>=kde-apps/libksane-4.14.3:4[-aqua]) required by
>> (kde-apps/ksaneplugin-16.04.1:4/16.04::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for
>> merge)
>>  >=kde-apps/libksane-4.14.3:4[aqua=]
>> (>=kde-apps/libksane-4.14.3:4[-aqua]) required by
>> (kde-apps/kolourpaint-16.04.1:4/16.04::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for
>> merge)
>>
>>(kde-apps/libksane-16.04.1:5/5::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge)
>> pulled in by
>>  >=kde-apps/libksane-14.12.0:5 required by
>> (kde-misc/skanlite-2.0:5/5::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge)
>>  >=kde-apps/libksane-16.04.1 required by
>> (kde-apps/kdegraphics-meta-16.04.1:5/5::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for
>> merge)
>>
>
>
> So this is really a clash between KDE4 stuff and KDE5 stuff, and
> nothing is demanding a certain maximum version, so upgrades should in
> theory be clean. I'm not at a Gentoo machine right now so can't give
> exact info, but do this:
>
> eix libksane
> - is 15.08.3-r1 the latest version in :4? If not, upgrade it manually
> and continue.
> - does 15.08.3-r1 have a minimal USE? If so, set it on. This often
> removes the clash with :5
>
> If all else fails, quickpkg and unmerge all libksane version, emerge
> world and let portage fix whatever it needs to.
>
> /alanm
>
>

I removed all libksane versions and it still pukes.  I then did a equery
list *sane* and -C'd all that too.  None of that will cause a crash or
anything.  Anyway, it still isn't happy.  After doing all that, I had a
thought.  Add the -t option.  It didn't help much but at least I finally
thought of it.  lol  Here is the current upset pixels with the -t added
in. 


[nomerge   ] kde-apps/kdenetwork-meta-16.04.1:5::gentoo
[15.12.3-r1:5::gentoo] USE="ppp telepathy%*"
[ebuild U ~]  kde-apps/kget-16.04.1:4/16.04::gentoo
[15.12.3:4/15.12::gentoo] USE="handbook sqlite webkit (-aqua)
-bittorrent -debug -gpg -mms" 1,057 KiB
[ebuild U ~]  kde-apps/kppp-16.04.1:4/16.04::gentoo
[15.12.3:4/15.12::gentoo] USE="handbook (-aqua) -debug" 684 KiB
[ebuild U ~]  kde-apps/zeroconf-ioslave-16.04.1:4/16.04::gentoo
[15.12.3:4/15.12::gentoo] USE="(-aqua) -debug" 26 KiB
[nomerge   ] kde-apps/kdegraphics-meta-16.04.1:5::gentoo
[15.12.3:5::gentoo] USE="scanner"
[ebuild  N~]  kde-apps/kolourpaint-16.04.1:4/16.04::gentoo 
USE="handbook scanner (-aqua) -debug" 0 KiB
[ebuild U ~] 
kde-apps/kdegraphics-mobipocket-16.04.1-r1:4/16.04::gentoo
[15.12.3:4/15.12::gentoo] USE="(-aqua) -debug" 15 KiB
[ebuild U ~]  kde-apps/svgpart-16.04.1:4/16.04::gentoo
[15.12.3:4/15.12::gentoo] USE="(-aqua) -debug" 9 KiB
[ebuild  N~]  kde-apps/ksaneplugin-16.04.1:4/16.04::gentoo 
USE="(-aqua) -debug" 0 KiB
[ebuild  N ]   kde-apps/libksane-15.08.3:4/15.08::gentoo 
USE="minimal (-aqua) -debug" 0 KiB
[nomerge   ] kde-apps/kget-16.04.1:4/16.04::gentoo
[15.12.3:4/15.12::gentoo] USE="handbook sqlite webkit (-aqua)
-bittorrent -debug -gpg -mms"
[ebuild U  ]  kde-apps/libkonq-15.12.3:4/15.12::gentoo
[15.08.3:4/15.08::gentoo] USE="(-aqua) -debug {-test} (-minimal%)" 0 KiB
[nomerge   ] kde-apps/kdenetwork-meta-16.04.1:5::gentoo
[15.12.3-r1:5::gentoo] USE="ppp telepathy%*"
[ebuild U ~]  kde-apps/krfb-16.04.1:5::gentoo [15.12.3:5::gentoo]
USE="handbook -debug -doc" 318 KiB
[nomerge   ] kde-apps/kdegraphics-meta-16.04.1:5::gentoo
[15.12.3:5::gentoo] USE="scanner"
[ebuild U ~]  kde-apps/kruler-16.04.1:5::gentoo [15.12.3:5::gentoo]
USE="X handbook -debug" 121 KiB
[ebuild  N~]  kde-apps/libksane-16.04.1:5::gentoo  USE="-debug" 0 KiB
[nomerge   ] kde-apps/ktp-accounts-kcm-16.04.1:5::gentoo 
USE="-debug -experimental"
[nomerge   ]  net-im/telepathy-connection-managers-2-r2::gentoo 
USE="irc xmpp yahoo zeroconf -gadu -icq -meanwhile -msn -sip -sipe -steam"
[ebuild  N ]   net-voip/telepathy-gabble-0.18.3::gentoo 
USE="-gnutls -jingle -plugins {-test}" 0 KiB
[nomerge   ] kde-apps/kolourpaint-16.04.1:4/16.04::gentoo 
USE="handbook scanner (-aqua) -debug"
[nomerge   ]  

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] How to be a penguin.

[Peter Humphrey]

On Sunday 29 May 2016 08:13:03 Alan Grimes wrote:

> You know what? fuck you.  That's what.

I don't have to put up with childish petulance like that.

Plonk.

-- 
Rgds
Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Dolphin peculiarities with plasma5

[Mick]

On Monday 30 May 2016 09:35:47 Alan McKinnon wrote:

> Does "eix kioslaves" show anything you don't have installed? A long time
> ago I recall installing all of those I thought I might ever need, and
> several issues just went away.

Yes, it has kde-apps/kdesdk-kioslaves, which I dully emerged, but this did not 
change matters.  :-(

FYI these are the packages that depclean had unmerged two days ago:

1464445881:  *** emerge --ask --verbose --quiet-build=n --depclean
1464445881:  >>> depclean
1464445930: === Unmerging... (kde-apps/kwalletmanager-15.04.3)
1464445954:  >>> unmerge success: kde-apps/kwalletmanager-15.04.3
1464445954: === Unmerging... (kde-apps/kgamma-4.14.3)
1464445977:  >>> unmerge success: kde-apps/kgamma-4.14.3
1464445977: === Unmerging... (kde-apps/superkaramba-15.08.3)
1464445984:  >>> unmerge success: kde-apps/superkaramba-15.08.3
1464445984: === Unmerging... (kde-apps/ffmpegthumbs-15.08.3)
1464445991:  >>> unmerge success: kde-apps/ffmpegthumbs-15.08.3
1464445991: === Unmerging... (kde-apps/kglobalaccel-15.08.3)
1464445998:  >>> unmerge success: kde-apps/kglobalaccel-15.08.3
1464445998: === Unmerging... (kde-apps/konq-plugins-15.08.3)
1464446006:  >>> unmerge success: kde-apps/konq-plugins-15.08.3
1464446006: === Unmerging... (kde-apps/libkipi-15.08.3)
1464446013:  >>> unmerge success: kde-apps/libkipi-15.08.3
1464446013: === Unmerging... (kde-apps/nsplugins-15.08.3)
1464446020:  >>> unmerge success: kde-apps/nsplugins-15.08.3
1464446020: === Unmerging... (kde-apps/kgpg-15.08.3)
1464446044:  >>> unmerge success: kde-apps/kgpg-15.08.3
1464446044: === Unmerging... (kde-apps/kuiserver-15.08.3)
1464446051:  >>> unmerge success: kde-apps/kuiserver-15.08.3
1464446051: === Unmerging... (kde-apps/konsolepart-4.14.3)
1464446058:  >>> unmerge success: kde-apps/konsolepart-4.14.3
1464446058: === Unmerging... (kde-apps/libkdcraw-15.08.3)
1464446065:  >>> unmerge success: kde-apps/libkdcraw-15.08.3
1464446065: === Unmerging... (kde-apps/kde-base-artwork-15.08.3)
1464446072:  >>> unmerge success: kde-apps/kde-base-artwork-15.08.3
1464446072: === Unmerging... (kde-apps/kuser-15.08.3)
1464446095:  >>> unmerge success: kde-apps/kuser-15.08.3
1464446095: === Unmerging... (kde-apps/kdebase-kioslaves-15.08.3)
1464446120:  >>> unmerge success: kde-apps/kdebase-kioslaves-15.08.3
1464446120: === Unmerging... (x11-libs/libxklavier-5.3)
1464446126:  >>> unmerge success: x11-libs/libxklavier-5.3
1464446126:  *** exiting successfully.
1464446126:  *** terminating.


> One of the reasons binary distro users don't have as many issues as we
> Gentoo'ers is the binary distro installs everything from the KDE
> project, and we get to pick and choose, often wrongly :-)
> 
> /alanm

You're right of course, but I suspect this has been caused by so many KDE 
packages being in a state flux at this moment in time.  I have set plasma 
desktop as my profile, so I was hoping that I would not have veered too far 
off the recommended USE flags:

[8]   default/linux/amd64/13.0/desktop/plasma *

Thank you for your help with this, I'll wait for another round of KDE updates 
in the hope that this will be fixed soon.
-- 
Regards,
Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Dolphin peculiarities with plasma5

[Alan McKinnon]

On 30/05/2016 00:39, Mick wrote:

On Sunday 29 May 2016 22:20:56 Alan McKinnon wrote:

On 29/05/2016 20:46, Mick wrote:

On Sunday 29 May 2016 16:58:29 Mick wrote:

On Monday 30 May 2016 01:09:26 Michael Palimaka wrote:

On 29/05/16 23:42, Mick wrote:

Following the latest round of KDE updates I noticed two undesirable
effects
and I would be grateful if you could point me to a way of reverting
them
to
their old behaviour:

1. Konqueror is no longer integrated with dolphin as a file manager.
When
I click on Konqueror's Home Folder on its introductory page, a new
window
is launched with Dolphin.


I believe this is due to latest Konqueror being KDE4-based and latest
Dolphin (and therefore dolphinpart) being KF5-based. As a workaround,
try downgrading Dolphin to 4.14.3-r1.


2. Dolphin now requires a double click to open directories.  Where can
I
set this to a single click?  I've looked in dolphin Preferences and
systemsettings5 but I can't find where to change it to a single click
operation.


Try System Settings -> Input Devices -> Mouse -> Single-click to open
files and folders.


Thank you Michael, I already had this setting enabled.  Clicking on the
arrow at the left of the directory expands the contents of the tree, but
to
get into it, to descend into that level on the filesystem, you have to
double click on the directory itself.

Similarly, files do not open unless I double-click on them.  :-/


I've noticed that 'emerge --depclean' removed kde-apps/kdebase-kioslaves
and revdep-rebuild didn't bring anything else in (yet).  Could this be
why konqueror-dolphin integration is borked?


You might have a point there. I have kde-apps/kdebase-kioslaves
installed here and my konqueror works as you want your's to. My deps for
that package:

# equery depends kde-apps/kdebase-kioslaves
  * These packages depend on kde-apps/kdebase-kioslaves:
kde-apps/mplayerthumbs-15.12.3
(>=kde-apps/kdebase-kioslaves-4.14.3:4[aqua=])
media-gfx/digikam-4.14.0-r1 (kde-apps/kdebase-kioslaves:4)
media-sound/amarok-2.8.90-r2 (>=kde-apps/kdebase-kioslaves-4.4:4[aqua=])

and I have these konquesror/dolphin packages installed:

kde-apps/konqueror
kde-apps/konq-plugins
kde-apps/libkonq
kde-apps/dolphin
kde-apps/dolphin-plugins


Thank you Alan, I just re-installed konq-plugins and then kdebase-kioslaves to
see what happens.  Konqueror no longer opens dolphin in a separate window, nor
does it open dolphin embedded in it as I want it.  Instead it opens FSView -
showing colourful rectangles of sizes proportionate to the size of each file.
Looking under Konqueror's menu/View/View Mode, I only have 'File Size View'
available.  So I must be missing something else on this box.

I'm on stable versions:

kde-apps/konqueror-15.12.3
kde-apps/dolphin-15.12.3-r1

Interestingly, the introductory page of Konqueror shows no images for the
icons ... just empty placeholders.  Also, I just noticed something weird ...
menu/Help/About Konqueror shows "Version 4.14.16" instead of 15.12.3.

Oh well, I am assuming KDE will get better over time. O_o




Does "eix kioslaves" show anything you don't have installed? A long time 
ago I recall installing all of those I thought I might ever need, and 
several issues just went away.


One of the reasons binary distro users don't have as many issues as we 
Gentoo'ers is the binary distro installs everything from the KDE 
project, and we get to pick and choose, often wrongly :-)


/alanm

Re: [gentoo-user] kde-apps/libksane blocker

[Alan McKinnon]

On 30/05/2016 05:20, Dale wrote:

Howdy,

I'm trying to do a update and have this last blocker that I can't figure
out.  I fixed another one but this one doesn't make sense to me.  Here
is the relevant output.



Portage is abusing your pixels (using too many). Here's the important bits:


[blocks B  ] 

This is the only important blocker ("blocks B")

procps stuff that followed is just a long explanation of why portage 
kept procps back and didn't upgrade



  * Error: The above package list contains packages which cannot be
  * installed at the same time on the same system.


The asterisks indicate this is part relevant to hard blockers and 
failures. (bangs ! indicate info or warnings, not errors)



   (kde-apps/libksane-15.08.3:4/15.08::gentoo, installed) pulled in by
 >=kde-apps/libksane-4.14.3:4[aqua=]
(>=kde-apps/libksane-4.14.3:4[-aqua]) required by
(kde-apps/ksaneplugin-16.04.1:4/16.04::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge)
 >=kde-apps/libksane-4.14.3:4[aqua=]
(>=kde-apps/libksane-4.14.3:4[-aqua]) required by
(kde-apps/kolourpaint-16.04.1:4/16.04::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge)

   (kde-apps/libksane-16.04.1:5/5::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge)
pulled in by
 >=kde-apps/libksane-14.12.0:5 required by
(kde-misc/skanlite-2.0:5/5::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge)
 >=kde-apps/libksane-16.04.1 required by
(kde-apps/kdegraphics-meta-16.04.1:5/5::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge)




So this is really a clash between KDE4 stuff and KDE5 stuff, and nothing 
is demanding a certain maximum version, so upgrades should in theory be 
clean. I'm not at a Gentoo machine right now so can't give exact info, 
but do this:


eix libksane
- is 15.08.3-r1 the latest version in :4? If not, upgrade it manually 
and continue.
- does 15.08.3-r1 have a minimal USE? If so, set it on. This often 
removes the clash with :5


If all else fails, quickpkg and unmerge all libksane version, emerge 
world and let portage fix whatever it needs to.


/alanm

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] How to be a penguin.

[R0b0t1]

Newfags. Newfags everywhere.

If you're going to fly by the seat of your pants you do it so other people
don't have to. Complaining [too] loudly is counterproduxtive.