[gentoo-user] The Full Story.
Ok, it's about 2:45 AM, I thoughtlessly did something absurdly risky, resize a chromium browser pane by clicking on the edge of the window and dragging it a few pixels, so naturally X11 goes down taking my number theory code with it. Reminder: I had run that code from May 1 through last week and only voluntarily rebooted my machine ## GAH dev-util/meson:0 (dev-util/meson-0.52.0:0/0::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) conflicts with > Alan Grimes' e-mail address seems to be from Verizon, which is, if I > understand correctly, Yahoo Mail. Worse, AOL mail. -- Clowns feed off of funny money; Funny money comes from the FED so NO FED -> NO CLOWNS!!! Powers are not rights.
Re: [gentoo-user] Bounced messages
Jack wrote: > On 10/31/19 12:26 PM, Dale wrote: > [snip...] >> I disabled that on mine. I do my spam filtering locally on my machine. > > How did you disable spam filtering on gmail? I would love to do it, > but have not found a setting for such. > > Jack > > > I googled for it ages ago and someone had it figured out. So far, it works still. You set up a filter and it should look like this: Matches: from:(*) to:(*) subject:(*) * Do this: Never send it to Spam Basically, that disables the spam filter. I don't get a lot of it but I do get some. When I go to gmail it never shows anything in the spam bucket. It shows this: Hooray, no spam here! Reproduce that and cross your fingers. ;-) Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Bounced messages
On 31 October 2019 16:52:36 CET, Dale wrote: >Howdy, > >I been getting quite a few of these lately. > > >> Some messages to you could not be delivered. If you're seeing this >> message it means things are back to normal, and it's merely for your >> information. >> >> Here is the list of the bounced messages: >> - 188380 > > >I get these related to -user and -dev which throws threading out of >whack. I see replies to messages or the thread starter that doesn't >even exist. Is anyone else getting these or is it just me? If not >just >me, does someone need to file a bug so they can look into it? > >Thanks. > >Dale > >:-) :-) I used to get these as well because of badly configured spamfilters of ISPs. Ever since I run my own SMTP servers, I haven't encountered these anymore. -- Joost -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
[gentoo-user] Re: Bounced messages
On 2019-10-31, Mick wrote: > On Thursday, 31 October 2019 16:06:15 GMT Dale wrote: >> Mick wrote: > >> > I'm getting the same. On the same message(s). On user@ only. >> >> I sent for and got the help thingy and tried to get it to send me the >> missed messages. So far, I've yet to get anything including a error >> that I did it wrong. Have you tried to retrieve the missed messages and >> if so, did it work? Unless it takes a while to process, it seems it >> isn't working. >> >> Do we need to alert someone to this? I saw in the message source that >> there is a owner email addy or we could file a bug?? > > This is not a problem for me. I can read the original bounced message either > via responses provided to it, or if not (fully) quoted in the response, at > the > Mailing List archives - e.g. for message 188380: > > https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-user/message/ > 805899603d74dd747515c1d5e63f5ebe > > Incidentally, I think most frequently the bounced messages were sent from > Mr.Grimes. I suppose it might be Yahoo's DMARC policy, see, for example: https://wiki.list.org/DEV/DMARC Alan Grimes' e-mail address seems to be from Verizon, which is, if I understand correctly, Yahoo Mail. If that is the case, I guess Gmail is not marking these messages as SPAM, but rejecting them as a result of the DMARC policy, and the message you get is from the mailing list software at gentoo. -- Nuno Silva
Re: [gentoo-user] Chromium....
On Thu, 31 Oct 2019 11:29:15 -0400, Alan Grimes wrote: > Oh for the love of god: > > > * Messages for package www-client/chromium-78.0.3904.70: > > * ERROR: www-client/chromium-78.0.3904.70::gentoo failed (compile > phase): > * ninja -v -j16 -l0 -C out/Release v8_context_snapshot_generator > failed * It's been doing that for a couple of days. the good news is that chromium continues to work here, the rebuild was triggered by an icu update. There is a bug report but when I looked this morning there were no replies. -- Neil Bothwick You are about to give someone a piece of your mind, something you can ill afford... pgpR3_YXjqy8t.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Bounced messages
On 10/31/19 12:26 PM, Dale wrote: [snip...] I disabled that on mine. I do my spam filtering locally on my machine. How did you disable spam filtering on gmail? I would love to do it, but have not found a setting for such. Jack
Re: [gentoo-user] Bounced messages
Mick wrote: > On Thursday, 31 October 2019 16:26:32 GMT Dale wrote: >> Michael Orlitzky wrote: >>> On 10/31/19 12:01 PM, Mick wrote: I'm getting the same. On the same message(s). On user@ only. >>> Since you're both on gmail, those messages were probably rejected as >>> spam. It just happens sometimes. >>> >>> . >> I disabled that on mine. I do my spam filtering locally on my machine. >> It shouldn't do that but I guess it is a slight possibility. It might >> even be rejected before it gets to gmail too. It's a thought tho. >> >> Dale >> >> :-) :-) > What Michael suggests is Google Mail drops those messages altogether and we > do > not receive them at all. Not in our Inbox, not in our Spam folders. We do > however receive a message from Google's mail gateway mentioning that some > messages were bounced. That's what I was sort of referring to. It does it on gmail's receiving end not the sending end. That means it never gets to my spam filter since it is junked before it gets there. That makes sense. You know, it's bad when a individual has their email marked as spam that way. Thanks much. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Bounced messages
Mick wrote: > On Thursday, 31 October 2019 16:06:15 GMT Dale wrote: >> Mick wrote: >>> I'm getting the same. On the same message(s). On user@ only. >> I sent for and got the help thingy and tried to get it to send me the >> missed messages. So far, I've yet to get anything including a error >> that I did it wrong. Have you tried to retrieve the missed messages and >> if so, did it work? Unless it takes a while to process, it seems it >> isn't working. >> >> Do we need to alert someone to this? I saw in the message source that >> there is a owner email addy or we could file a bug?? >> >> Dale >> >> :-) :-) > This is not a problem for me. I can read the original bounced message either > via responses provided to it, or if not (fully) quoted in the response, at > the > Mailing List archives - e.g. for message 188380: > > https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-user/message/ > 805899603d74dd747515c1d5e63f5ebe > > Incidentally, I think most frequently the bounced messages were sent from > Mr.Grimes. Oh, so I may be missing some messages but nothing important. lol I seem to recall him being the one using that script and then complaining because his script did things wrong and left him with a mess. It's the polar opposite of the other Alan that used to be on here who used scripts but had them doing something the right way. I wonder what happened to him. At least I know it isn't just me. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Bounced messages
On Thursday, 31 October 2019 16:26:32 GMT Dale wrote: > Michael Orlitzky wrote: > > On 10/31/19 12:01 PM, Mick wrote: > >> I'm getting the same. On the same message(s). On user@ only. > > > > Since you're both on gmail, those messages were probably rejected as > > spam. It just happens sometimes. > > > > . > > I disabled that on mine. I do my spam filtering locally on my machine. > It shouldn't do that but I guess it is a slight possibility. It might > even be rejected before it gets to gmail too. It's a thought tho. > > Dale > > :-) :-) What Michael suggests is Google Mail drops those messages altogether and we do not receive them at all. Not in our Inbox, not in our Spam folders. We do however receive a message from Google's mail gateway mentioning that some messages were bounced. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Bounced messages
Michael Orlitzky wrote: > On 10/31/19 12:01 PM, Mick wrote: >> >> I'm getting the same. On the same message(s). On user@ only. >> > > Since you're both on gmail, those messages were probably rejected as > spam. It just happens sometimes. > > . > I disabled that on mine. I do my spam filtering locally on my machine. It shouldn't do that but I guess it is a slight possibility. It might even be rejected before it gets to gmail too. It's a thought tho. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Bounced messages
On Thursday, 31 October 2019 16:06:15 GMT Dale wrote: > Mick wrote: > > I'm getting the same. On the same message(s). On user@ only. > > I sent for and got the help thingy and tried to get it to send me the > missed messages. So far, I've yet to get anything including a error > that I did it wrong. Have you tried to retrieve the missed messages and > if so, did it work? Unless it takes a while to process, it seems it > isn't working. > > Do we need to alert someone to this? I saw in the message source that > there is a owner email addy or we could file a bug?? > > Dale > > :-) :-) This is not a problem for me. I can read the original bounced message either via responses provided to it, or if not (fully) quoted in the response, at the Mailing List archives - e.g. for message 188380: https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-user/message/ 805899603d74dd747515c1d5e63f5ebe Incidentally, I think most frequently the bounced messages were sent from Mr.Grimes. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Bounced messages
Mick wrote: > On Thursday, 31 October 2019 15:52:36 GMT Dale wrote: >> Howdy, >> >> I been getting quite a few of these lately. >> >>> Some messages to you could not be delivered. If you're seeing this >>> message it means things are back to normal, and it's merely for your >>> information. >>> >>> Here is the list of the bounced messages: >>> - 188380 >> I get these related to -user and -dev which throws threading out of >> whack. I see replies to messages or the thread starter that doesn't >> even exist. Is anyone else getting these or is it just me? If not just >> me, does someone need to file a bug so they can look into it? >> >> Thanks. >> >> Dale >> >> :-) :-) > I'm getting the same. On the same message(s). On user@ only. I sent for and got the help thingy and tried to get it to send me the missed messages. So far, I've yet to get anything including a error that I did it wrong. Have you tried to retrieve the missed messages and if so, did it work? Unless it takes a while to process, it seems it isn't working. Do we need to alert someone to this? I saw in the message source that there is a owner email addy or we could file a bug?? Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Bounced messages
Same. My guess is that it's Gmail filters doesn't accept some of the messages from the mailing list On Thu, Oct 31, 2019, 20:02 Mick wrote: > On Thursday, 31 October 2019 15:52:36 GMT Dale wrote: > > Howdy, > > > > I been getting quite a few of these lately. > > > > > Some messages to you could not be delivered. If you're seeing this > > > message it means things are back to normal, and it's merely for your > > > information. > > > > > > Here is the list of the bounced messages: > > > - 188380 > > > > I get these related to -user and -dev which throws threading out of > > whack. I see replies to messages or the thread starter that doesn't > > even exist. Is anyone else getting these or is it just me? If not just > > me, does someone need to file a bug so they can look into it? > > > > Thanks. > > > > Dale > > > > :-) :-) > > I'm getting the same. On the same message(s). On user@ only. > -- > Regards, > > Mick
Re: [gentoo-user] Bounced messages
On 10/31/19 12:01 PM, Mick wrote: I'm getting the same. On the same message(s). On user@ only. Since you're both on gmail, those messages were probably rejected as spam. It just happens sometimes.
Re: [gentoo-user] Bounced messages
On Thursday, 31 October 2019 15:52:36 GMT Dale wrote: > Howdy, > > I been getting quite a few of these lately. > > > Some messages to you could not be delivered. If you're seeing this > > message it means things are back to normal, and it's merely for your > > information. > > > > Here is the list of the bounced messages: > > - 188380 > > I get these related to -user and -dev which throws threading out of > whack. I see replies to messages or the thread starter that doesn't > even exist. Is anyone else getting these or is it just me? If not just > me, does someone need to file a bug so they can look into it? > > Thanks. > > Dale > > :-) :-) I'm getting the same. On the same message(s). On user@ only. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Consolekit and elogind switch questions
Mick wrote: > On Monday, 28 October 2019 08:25:06 GMT Neil Bothwick wrote: >> On Mon, 28 Oct 2019 02:46:45 -0500, Dale wrote: >>> Thanks much for the info. Maybe the switch will go well for me too. >> If it works for you it will be good news for the rest of us ;-) > If hald's list of devices has anything to do with it, Dale is bound to nail > it > on the first (re)boot! :-) > > The consolekit framework is responsible switching between users on a system. > As I understand it, when you go to 'Plasma/Leave/Switch User' menu option, > console kit daemon is responsible for: > > 1. Looking at PAM and any processes you own as a user in a login session. > 2. Checking which seat (local or remote) you are logged in as and associating > the hardware you are using with it (e.g. keyboard, mouse, monitor, etc.). > 3. Connecting to the d-bus system bus to manage the local login session and > pass control of hardware devices to the new user. > 4. When the new user enters their credentials at the Display Manager, check > with PAM what processes the new user is authorised to access/use in their > login session. > > I should have the above mostly correct. You may ask if any of this control > framework complexity is *necessary* for a single user called Dale, who won't > allow anyone else to take his 'seat' at the PC without a fight. The answer > is > probably no, and this is why simpler desktop environments like *box, > Enlightenment, etc. do not offer the facility to switch users and therefore > do > not ultimately need consolekit. > > There are no screenshots of consolekit/elogind because AFAIK neither offer a > GUI application. However, when you run 'ck-list-sessions' in a terminal > you'll see your local session, as well as any other login sessions you may be > running at the time, e.g. /dev/tt1, remote logins over ssh and which of these > are active at the time. > > Since consolekit is no longer under development and systemd appears to have > taken over most of the Linux distros, elogind is the current service which > can > run as stand alone on openrc (just as udev of systemd does). > > When elogind is running you can use 'loginctl list-sessions' in a terminal to > see who's running a session. The man page gives more options. > > You don't *have* to add elogind as a boot service, because any applications > which need it will launch it themselves. However, don't be surprised if some > desktop functions are not working as expected. For example, the SDDM Display > Manager's shutdown/reboot buttons may not be displayed and even if they are > displayed they'll do nothing when you click on them after a reboot. If after > a reboot you login/out into your Plasma desktop, then elogind will be running > and the SDDM buttons should function again normally. > > I have converted a number of systems to elogind. It should be as easy as > setting in your make.conf: > > USE="elogind -consolekit" > > grep consolekit -r /etc/portage > > to find and remove/replace any USE flags still asking for consolekit to be > emerged. Then, > > emerge --depclean -v -a consolekit > > emerge -uaNDv @world > > emerge @preserved-rebuild -v -a > > rc-update del consolekit > rc-update add elogind boot > > reboot > > >From memory that's all there is to it. Thanks much for the info. Let's not go down the hal road. Still gets my blood pressure up. lol It sounds like I don't need it but most likely KDE will moan and groan without it so I'll just switch and let the chips fall where they may. I guess if nothing else, while it is still in the tree at least, I could switch back and try to find solutions to whatever I run into. Once it's gone tho, not a option, easy one at least. Thanks again. Dale :-) :-)
[gentoo-user] Bounced messages
Howdy, I been getting quite a few of these lately. > Some messages to you could not be delivered. If you're seeing this > message it means things are back to normal, and it's merely for your > information. > > Here is the list of the bounced messages: > - 188380 I get these related to -user and -dev which throws threading out of whack. I see replies to messages or the thread starter that doesn't even exist. Is anyone else getting these or is it just me? If not just me, does someone need to file a bug so they can look into it? Thanks. Dale :-) :-)
[gentoo-user] Chromium....
Oh for the love of god:
* Messages for package www-client/chromium-78.0.3904.70:
* ERROR: www-client/chromium-78.0.3904.70::gentoo failed (compile phase):
* ninja -v -j16 -l0 -C out/Release v8_context_snapshot_generator failed
*
* Call stack:
* ebuild.sh, line 125: Called src_compile
* environment, line 4262: Called eninja '-C' 'out/Release'
'v8_context_snapshot_generator'
* environment, line 1762: Called die
* The specific snippet of code:
* "$@" || die "${nonfatal_args[@]}" "${*} failed"
*
* If you need support, post the output of `emerge --info
'=www-client/chromium-78.0.3904.70::gentoo'`,
* the complete build log and the output of `emerge -pqv
'=www-client/chromium-78.0.3904.70::gentoo'`.
* The complete build log is located at
'/var/tmp/portage/www-client/chromium-78.0.3904.70/temp/build.log'.
* The ebuild environment file is located at
'/var/tmp/portage/www-client/chromium-78.0.3904.70/temp/environment'.
* Working directory:
'/var/tmp/portage/www-client/chromium-78.0.3904.70/work/chromium-78.0.3904.70'
* S:
'/var/tmp/portage/www-client/chromium-78.0.3904.70/work/chromium-78.0.3904.70'
*
* The following 3 packages have failed to build, install, or execute
* postinst:
*
* (dev-lang/spidermonkey-52.9.1_pre1-r1:52/52::gentoo, ebuild
scheduled for merge), Log file:
* '/var/tmp/portage/dev-lang/spidermonkey-52.9.1_pre1-r1/temp/build.log'
* (media-gfx/blender-2.79b-r1:0/0::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for
merge), Log file:
* '/var/tmp/portage/media-gfx/blender-2.79b-r1/temp/build.log'
* (www-client/chromium-78.0.3904.70:0/0::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for
merge), Log file:
* '/var/tmp/portage/www-client/chromium-78.0.3904.70/temp/build.log'
*
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Re: [gentoo-user] pam
You need to pay more attention to details. Only virtual/pam has been masked # required by virtual/pam (argument) # /usr/portage/profiles/package.mask: # Mikle Kolyada (2019-10-16) # not needed due to openpam removal. Please # update your packages running emerge with the # --changed-deps option if you have problems # with your system. sys-libs/pam is still there. On 10/31/19 10:10 AM, Alan Grimes wrote: Emperor penguin, brooding as usual: "I'm bored, how can we fuck with the users this week?" Chancelor penguin: "we can mask PAM for no reason. It has never caused anyone any problem but removing it will drive the users crazy for days trying to get their system working when they do emergency updates to try to fix the instability you caused last month when you let the kernel get out of sync with nvidia drivers to punish them for using proprietary drivers when, for many years those were the only ones that would work.." Emperor penguin: "Really, could it be possible?!" Chancelor Penguin: "Well, there's a 90% chance that the entire system can be built with pam disabled but it will require a massive re-build and disabling several dozen default-on useflags and r-dep packages to be removed. It will take the users DAYS AND DAYS! To solve it!" -- Later that day the emperor addressed a throng of tens of thousands of penguins -- Emperor Penguin "...Today, we once again re-assert our penguinosity by wasting yet more of the user's time with no reason whatsoever..." Crowd: "MASK PAM! MASK PAM! MASK PAM!!! LONG LIVE THE EMPEROR!!!"
[gentoo-user] pam
Emperor penguin, brooding as usual: "I'm bored, how can we fuck with the users this week?" Chancelor penguin: "we can mask PAM for no reason. It has never caused anyone any problem but removing it will drive the users crazy for days trying to get their system working when they do emergency updates to try to fix the instability you caused last month when you let the kernel get out of sync with nvidia drivers to punish them for using proprietary drivers when, for many years those were the only ones that would work.." Emperor penguin: "Really, could it be possible?!" Chancelor Penguin: "Well, there's a 90% chance that the entire system can be built with pam disabled but it will require a massive re-build and disabling several dozen default-on useflags and r-dep packages to be removed. It will take the users DAYS AND DAYS! To solve it!" -- Later that day the emperor addressed a throng of tens of thousands of penguins -- Emperor Penguin "...Today, we once again re-assert our penguinosity by wasting yet more of the user's time with no reason whatsoever..." Crowd: "MASK PAM! MASK PAM! MASK PAM!!! LONG LIVE THE EMPEROR!!!" -- Clowns feed off of funny money; Funny money comes from the FED so NO FED -> NO CLOWNS!!! Powers are not rights.
