Re: [gentoo-user] ALSA wizard...

2020-04-24 Thread Mark Knecht
On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 4:17 PM Jorge Almeida wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 11:46 PM Mark Knecht wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Do you have a Window license you can run in a VM? I suspect that might work pretty well. I used to run Go2Meeting that way and never had any trouble. > > > > > > I

[gentoo-user] Tensorflow 2.1.0 failing to compile

2020-04-24 Thread Aisha Tammy
Hey Jason, Please let me know what I am missing and if I should add anything more. Thanks a lot for your work in porting it :D Supplementary information (build log last 200 lines, make.conf, eix-installed -a) in email. Cheers, Aisha Last 200 lines of build.log:

Re: [gentoo-user] ALSA wizard...

2020-04-24 Thread Jorge Almeida
On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 11:46 PM Mark Knecht wrote: > > > > > > Do you have a Window license you can run in a VM? I suspect that might > > > work pretty well. I used to run Go2Meeting that way and never had any > > > trouble. > > > > I think I'm entitled to an unexpensive licence @work. Maybe

Re: [gentoo-user] ALSA wizard...

2020-04-24 Thread Mark Knecht
> > Do you have a Window license you can run in a VM? I suspect that might work pretty well. I used to run Go2Meeting that way and never had any trouble. > > I think I'm entitled to an unexpensive licence @work. Maybe that's the > solution, such as it is. I bought micro+interface specifically for

Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo dead?

2020-04-24 Thread lego12239
On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 05:07:48PM -0400, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > I might believe you about speed, but not about RAM. Memory usage goes up > with static linking because you've got multiple copies of the same thing > loaded into memory. No. I told about RAM :-). Several years ago i had some

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo Tinderboxes?

2020-04-24 Thread jdm
On Wed, 22 Apr 2020 12:20:38 +0100 Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Wed, 22 Apr 2020 12:17:23 +0200, J. Roeleveld wrote: > > > >"BOINC is an open-source software platform for computing using > > >volunteered > > >resources." > > > > Considering the current situation, I switched my systems to > >

Re: [gentoo-user] ALSA wizard...

2020-04-24 Thread Jorge Almeida
On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 7:08 PM Mark Knecht wrote: > > > > > Do you have a Window license you can run in a VM? I suspect that might work > pretty well. I used to run Go2Meeting that way and never had any trouble. I think I'm entitled to an unexpensive licence @work. Maybe that's the solution,

Re: [gentoo-user] How to find the version of portage before 2005

2020-04-24 Thread Tanek Liang
What I need is the early commit history of portage: https://github.com/gentoo/portage/tree/savior Thanks,: D Dale 于2020年4月24日周五 下午7:25写道: > Tanek Liang wrote: > > Thank you. This should not contain the complete svn repository, so it is > not what I need. > > Dale 于2020年4月19日周日 上午8:47写道: > >>

Re: [gentoo-user] How to find the version of portage before 2005

2020-04-24 Thread Tanek Liang
This is my mistake. The portage git repository already contains all history. At the beginning, I ran "git log" to view the history, and saw that the earliest commit was 2005. But to view all commit history, I should run "git log --all". So I found that the savior branch contains all the

Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo dead?

2020-04-24 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 4/23/20 2:14 PM, Caveman Al Toraboran wrote: > On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 9:34 PM, Michael Orlitzky > wrote: > >> Dependency resolution is indeed a (formally) hard problem. Solving the >> traveling salesman problem is also hard. Solving the traveling salesman >> problem while being punched

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is Gentoo dead?

2020-04-24 Thread lego12239
On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 06:46:43PM -, Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2020-04-24, lego12...@yandex.ru wrote: > > I don't have such experience. I use gentoo/funtoo for a less period, but > > on more machines(servers and desktops). And i catched one or two > > (don't remember exactly) situations

Re: [OBORONA-SPAM] Re: [OBORONA-SPAM] Re: [OBORONA-SPAM] Re: [OBORONA-SPAM] Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo dead?

2020-04-24 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 4/23/20 4:45 AM, lego12...@yandex.ru wrote: > On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 03:24:07PM -0400, Michael Orlitzky wrote: >> FWIW, I do know there are situations where static linking is the right >> thing to do. > > If you project require strong security, than it would be simpler to use > static

Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo dead?

2020-04-24 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 4/23/20 5:44 AM, Dale wrote: > lego12...@yandex.ru wrote: >> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 04:02:13AM -0500, Dale wrote: >>> lego12...@yandex.ru wrote: Just interesting, why you need to sync every day? And why you need emerge -e, if you can use emerge -auND? >>> Might be because Michael is

[gentoo-user] Re: Is Gentoo dead?

2020-04-24 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-04-24, lego12...@yandex.ru wrote: > On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 01:34:39PM -, Grant Edwards wrote: >> On 2020-04-24, lego12...@yandex.ru wrote: >> > The core of portage should be in C, imho. >> >> Why? I've been running Gentoo on multiple machines (generally at >> least 4 or 5) for 15+

Re: [OBORONA-SPAM] Re: [OBORONA-SPAM] Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo dead?

2020-04-24 Thread Caveman Al Toraboran
On Friday, April 24, 2020 9:56 PM, Michele Alzetta wrote: > I mean, basically portage is just a set of functions, so a functional > programming language might just be the best way to go yes, haskell passes step (1); so does php, java, etc. now kindly apply the rest of the steps ((2) and

Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo dead?

2020-04-24 Thread Ashley Dixon
On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 09:08:31PM +0300, lego12...@yandex.ru wrote: > On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 06:30:25PM +0200, inasprecali wrote: > > There is no rational reason for the core of Portage to be written in > > C. > > There are more than one rational reasons to do so. Such as ? Portage builds

Re: [gentoo-user] ALSA wizard...

2020-04-24 Thread Mark Knecht
On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 10:21 AM Jorge Almeida wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 6:11 PM Mark Knecht wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I __ONLY__ meant for testing purposes. I understand discord is the result we are working toward. Right now I don't know what the root cause of the failure is so

Re: [OBORONA-SPAM] Re: [OBORONA-SPAM] Re: [OBORONA-SPAM] Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo dead?

2020-04-24 Thread lego12239
On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 06:30:25PM +0200, inasprecali wrote: > There is no rational reason for the core of Portage to be written in > C. There are more than one rational reasons to do so. -- Олег Неманов (Oleg Nemanov)

[gentoo-user] Re: Is Gentoo dead?

2020-04-24 Thread lego12239
On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 01:34:39PM -, Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2020-04-24, lego12...@yandex.ru wrote: > > The core of portage should be in C, imho. > > Why? I've been running Gentoo on multiple machines (generally at > least 4 or 5) for 15+ years now. I've never seen any problems that >

Re: [OBORONA-SPAM] Re: [OBORONA-SPAM] Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo dead?

2020-04-24 Thread Michele Alzetta
I mean, basically portage is just a set of functions, so a functional programming language might just be the best way to go Il giorno ven 24 apr 2020 alle ore 19:54 Michele Alzetta < michele.alze...@gmail.com> ha scritto: > ... seems like you're describing haskell ... > ... now, portage written

Re: [OBORONA-SPAM] Re: [OBORONA-SPAM] Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo dead?

2020-04-24 Thread Michele Alzetta
... seems like you're describing haskell ... ... now, portage written in haskell would be really something Il giorno ven 24 apr 2020 alle ore 14:36 Caveman Al Toraboran < toraboracave...@protonmail.com> ha scritto: > On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 8:32 PM, Michael Jones > wrote: > > > > No-no.

Re: [OBORONA-SPAM] Re: [OBORONA-SPAM] Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo dead?

2020-04-24 Thread Caveman Al Toraboran
On Friday, April 24, 2020 8:30 PM, inasprecali wrote: > There is no rational reason for the core of Portage to be written in > C. curious.. are you also cool if busybox was written in python?

Re: [OBORONA-SPAM] Re: [OBORONA-SPAM] Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo dead?

2020-04-24 Thread Robert Bridge
On 24 Apr 2020, at 18:37, Caveman Al Toraboran wrote: > > On Friday, April 24, 2020 8:30 PM, inasprecali > wrote: > >> There is no rational reason for the core of Portage to be written in >> C. > > curious.. are you also cool if busybox was written > in python? The argument for a

[gentoo-user] Re: Problem understanding "eix"

2020-04-24 Thread Martin Vaeth
Dr Rainer Woitok wrote: > >> ... >> I exported ARCH="x86_64" and did eix-update, but still: >> >> % F=':\n' eix --format '' -e tpm2-tss >> 2.2.3-r2: >> 2.3.3: > > Did you check with "eix --print ARCH"? Sure. > but rather what the command "arch" is returning. No. It's what it gets from the

Re: [gentoo-user] ALSA wizard...

2020-04-24 Thread Jorge Almeida
On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 6:11 PM Mark Knecht wrote: > > > > I __ONLY__ meant for testing purposes. I understand discord is the result we > are working toward. Right now I don't know what the root cause of the failure > is so testing some other app and discovering it works would tell us the >

Re: [gentoo-user] ALSA wizard...

2020-04-24 Thread Mark Knecht
On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 10:04 AM Jorge Almeida wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 5:27 PM Mark Knecht wrote: > > > > > > > > >If it's true that discord is so picky then I wonder if there would be some value in testing your virtual sound card with some other app to ensure that at least the

Re: [gentoo-user] ALSA wizard...

2020-04-24 Thread Jorge Almeida
On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 5:27 PM Mark Knecht wrote: > > > >If it's true that discord is so picky then I wonder if there would be some > value in testing your virtual sound card with some other app to ensure that > at least the basic Alsa needs are being met? > >

Re: [OBORONA-SPAM] Re: [OBORONA-SPAM] Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo dead?

2020-04-24 Thread inasprecali
On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 12:22:39 +0300 lego12...@yandex.ru wrote: > The core of portage should be in C, imho. But it can be extendable > with hooks written in something simple like a bash. > It mustn't be a solid binary. It can be splitted into separate parts > with strict definitions of interaction

Re: [gentoo-user] ALSA wizard...

2020-04-24 Thread Mark Knecht
On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 6:36 AM Jorge Almeida wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 2:06 PM Michael wrote: > > > > > > > I understand discord also offers a webRTC service, which ought to work with a > > browser - so it should be down to the browser to communicate with Alsa. > > Been there, tried

Re: [OBORONA-SPAM] Re: [OBORONA-SPAM] Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo dead?

2020-04-24 Thread Caveman Al Toraboran
On Friday, April 24, 2020 4:45 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: > How did we get from "Is Gentoo dead?" to "Is C++ dead?" c++ is very alive. it just usually exists in the form of a disease and spreads like cancer. rgrds, cm.

Re: [gentoo-user] update remote system in background

2020-04-24 Thread Michele Alzetta
Yes, but when it first came out it defaulted to killing processes. This was on a university server, so I imagine ac stable distro. As I told you, I know someone who was bitten hard by this. Il ven 24 apr 2020, 14:07 Rich Freeman ha scritto: > On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 6:31 AM Neil Bothwick

Re: [gentoo-user] update remote system in background

2020-04-24 Thread John Covici
On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 08:06:53 -0400, Rich Freeman wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 6:31 AM Neil Bothwick wrote: > > > > On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 10:41:24 +0200, Michele Alzetta wrote: > > > > > ... I just hope the remote system isn't running systemd, if so, you > > > have to do some additional

Re: [gentoo-user] update remote system in background

2020-04-24 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 08:06:53 -0400, Rich Freeman wrote: > > > ... I just hope the remote system isn't running systemd, if so, you > > > have to do some additional tweaking before screen or tmux work. I > > > know someone who was bitten hard by this. Apparently systemd by > > > default closes all

[gentoo-user] Re: Problem understanding "eix"

2020-04-24 Thread Dr Rainer Woitok
Martin, On Wednesday, 2020-04-22 19:48:47 -, you wrote: > ... > I exported ARCH="x86_64" and did eix-update, but still: > > % F=':\n' eix --format '' -e tpm2-tss > 2.2.3-r2: > 2.3.3: Did you check with "eix --print ARCH"? I start suspecting that it's not the value of environment

Re: [gentoo-user] ALSA wizard...

2020-04-24 Thread Jorge Almeida
On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 2:06 PM Michael wrote: > > > I understand discord also offers a webRTC service, which ought to work with a > browser - so it should be down to the browser to communicate with Alsa. Been there, tried that... > Assuming of course the webRTC implementation by

[gentoo-user] Re: [OBORONA-SPAM] Re: [OBORONA-SPAM] Re: Is Gentoo dead?

2020-04-24 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-04-24, lego12...@yandex.ru wrote: > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 03:27:16PM -0500, Steven Lembark wrote: >> >> > portage must be in C and statically linked. >> >> Seems to argue in favor of a statically-linked dynamic language: The >> runtime compiler can be static with install scripts

Re: [gentoo-user] How to find the version of portage before 2005

2020-04-24 Thread Arve Barsnes
On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 at 19:15, Tanek Liang wrote: > > Hi, > > I read this article: https://www.funtoo.org/Making_the_Distribution,_Part_3, > interested in early portage. > > But the first commit of portage's git repository was 2005, and no earlier > history can be found. > > Does anyone know how

Re: [gentoo-user] ALSA wizard...

2020-04-24 Thread Michael
On Friday, 24 April 2020 12:13:53 BST Jorge Almeida wrote: > On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 11:39 AM Michael wrote: > > Applications can be rather particular regarding bitrate, bit sample > > formats, channel configuration and other options. I understand Firefox > > wants to have 48000Hz or it won't

Re: [OBORONA-SPAM] Re: [OBORONA-SPAM] Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo dead?

2020-04-24 Thread Caveman Al Toraboran
On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 8:32 PM, Michael Jones wrote: > >   No-no. C++ is a nightmare. A few people want to use it. > > C++ is an extremely widespread language with millions of lines of code > written daily world wide.  i think that might be misleading as it seems to imply that being a

Re: [OBORONA-SPAM] Re: [OBORONA-SPAM] Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo dead?

2020-04-24 Thread Rich Freeman
On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 8:35 AM Caveman Al Toraboran wrote: > > On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 8:32 PM, Michael Jones > wrote: > > > > No-no. C++ is a nightmare. A few people want to use it. > > > > C++ is an extremely widespread language with millions of lines of code > > written daily world

Re: [gentoo-user] update remote system in background

2020-04-24 Thread Rich Freeman
On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 6:31 AM Neil Bothwick wrote: > > On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 10:41:24 +0200, Michele Alzetta wrote: > > > ... I just hope the remote system isn't running systemd, if so, you > > have to do some additional tweaking before screen or tmux work. I know > > someone who was bitten hard

Re: [gentoo-user] How to find the version of portage before 2005

2020-04-24 Thread Dale
Tanek Liang wrote: > Thank you. This should not contain the complete svn repository, so it > is not what I need. > > Dale mailto:rdalek1...@gmail.com>> > 于2020年4月19日周日 上午8:47写道: > > Tanek Liang wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I read this article: >>

Re: [gentoo-user] ALSA wizard...

2020-04-24 Thread Jorge Almeida
On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 11:39 AM Michael wrote: > > > Applications can be rather particular regarding bitrate, bit sample formats, > channel configuration and other options. I understand Firefox wants to have > 48000Hz or it won't play. So, even if your DAC can do 96000Hz, you may need > to

Re: [gentoo-user] ALSA wizard...

2020-04-24 Thread Michael
On Thursday, 23 April 2020 20:01:51 BST Jorge Almeida wrote: > I need the "virtual" card to be the default, so I did this: > > pcm.mbcard{ > type hw > card PCH > device 1 > } > ctl.mbcard{ > type hw > card 0 > } > pcm.usbcard{ > type hw > card CODEC > device 0 > } > pcm.output{ > type plug >

Re: [gentoo-user] update remote system in background

2020-04-24 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 10:41:24 +0200, Michele Alzetta wrote: > ... I just hope the remote system isn't running systemd, if so, you > have to do some additional tweaking before screen or tmux work. I know > someone who was bitten hard by this. Apparently systemd by default > closes all running

Re: [gentoo-user] update remote system in background

2020-04-24 Thread Robert Bridge
> On 24 Apr 2020, at 09:22, Raffaele BELARDI wrote: > >  > Wonderful, thanks! I’m going with screen, just because the first link is a > shorter read. > raffaele If you ever need to work with other platforms (specifically Macs) they use tmux, which is a minor plus for that. Otherwise for

Re: [OBORONA-SPAM] Re: [OBORONA-SPAM] Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo dead?

2020-04-24 Thread lego12239
On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 03:27:16PM -0500, Steven Lembark wrote: > > > portage must be in C and statically linked. > > Seems to argue in favor of a statically-linked dynamic language: The > runtime compiler can be static with install scripts being a bit more > malleable. The core of portage

Re: [gentoo-user] How to find the version of portage before 2005

2020-04-24 Thread Tanek Liang
Thank you. This should not contain the complete svn repository, so it is not what I need. Dale 于2020年4月19日周日 上午8:47写道: > Tanek Liang wrote: > > Hi, > > I read this article: > https://www.funtoo.org/Making_the_Distribution,_Part_3, interested in > early portage. > > But the first commit of

Re: [gentoo-user] update remote system in background

2020-04-24 Thread Michele Alzetta
... I just hope the remote system isn't running systemd, if so, you have to do some additional tweaking before screen or tmux work. I know someone who was bitten hard by this. Apparently systemd by default closes all running processes of a user on logout. Il giorno ven 24 apr 2020 alle ore 09:47

RE: [gentoo-user] update remote system in background

2020-04-24 Thread Raffaele BELARDI
Wonderful, thanks! I’m going with screen, just because the first link is a shorter read. raffaele From: Michele Alzetta Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 09:52 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] update remote system in background ... or tmux ...

Re: [gentoo-user] update remote system in background

2020-04-24 Thread Michele Alzetta
... or tmux ... https://github.com/tmux/tmux/wiki Il giorno ven 24 apr 2020 alle ore 09:50 Vladimir Romanov < bluebo...@gmail.com> ha scritto: > Yes, you can use "screen" program (Docs: > >

Re: [gentoo-user] update remote system in background

2020-04-24 Thread Vladimir Romanov
Yes, you can use "screen" program (Docs: https://net2.com/how-to-use-the-screen-command-on-linux-to-keep-your-remote-task-running-when-the-connection-drops/) пт, 24 апр. 2020 г. в 12:47, Raffaele BELARDI : > > Hello, > > > > I am able to ssh into a remote system that I would like to update. I’d

[gentoo-user] update remote system in background

2020-04-24 Thread Raffaele BELARDI
Hello, I am able to ssh into a remote system that I would like to update. I'd like to run emerge without keeping the local system connected for the whole duration of the update (probably several days). Is it possible to: - ssh remote_machine - emerge -uDvN world - background and detach in some