Re: [gentoo-user] Thunderbird 78

2020-08-21 Thread james
On 8/20/20 8:19 PM, Jack wrote: On 2020.08.20 18:42, james wrote: On 8/20/20 1:20 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Thu, 20 Aug 2020 13:06:39 -0400, james wrote: As you do document all you are doing, and the information you gather, I see several interrelated but distinct areas.� hardware,

Re: [gentoo-user] tips on running a mail server in a cheap vps provider run but not-so-trusty admins?

2020-08-21 Thread Rich Freeman
On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 3:37 PM Grant Taylor wrote: > > On 8/21/20 6:37 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: > > This stuff can be interesting to discuss, but email is SO entrenched > > that I don't see any of this changing because of all the legacy issues. > > You would need to offer something that is both

Re: [gentoo-user] tips on running a mail server in a cheap vps provider run but not-so-trusty admins?

2020-08-21 Thread Caveman Al Toraboran
thanks. highly appreciate your time. to save space i'll skip parts where i fully agree with/happily-learned. (e.g. loop detection; good reminder, i wasn't thinking about it. plus didn't know of acronyms DSN, MDNs, etc; nice keywords for further googing). ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On

Re: [gentoo-user] Thunderbird 78

2020-08-21 Thread Victor Ivanov
On 21/08/2020 15:36, Jack wrote: > On 8/21/20 8:28 AM, Victor Ivanov wrote: > I seem to be slow on the pickup with parts of this thread, but I'm not > sure exactly what you are looking for here.  I assume you did find how > Balsa handles encryption for sending and receiving mail. If you are >

Re: [gentoo-user] tips on running a mail server in a cheap vps provider run but not-so-trusty admins?

2020-08-21 Thread Caveman Al Toraboran
‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Friday, August 21, 2020 4:28 PM, Wols Lists wrote: > You're re-inventing the wheel. yes, i do consider re-inventing octagonal wheels. though this wasn't my point here. here, i'm just "asking" to see what makes the "safely stored" guarantee. perhaps i

Re: [gentoo-user] tips on running a mail server in a cheap vps provider run but not-so-trusty admins?

2020-08-21 Thread Grant Taylor
On 8/21/20 11:54 AM, Caveman Al Toraboran wrote: thanks. highly appreciate your time. to save space i'll skip parts where i fully agree with/happily-learned. You're welcome. (e.g. loop detection; good reminder, i wasn't thinking about it. plus didn't know of acronyms DSN, MDNs, etc; nice

Re: [gentoo-user] tips on running a mail server in a cheap vps provider run but not-so-trusty admins?

2020-08-21 Thread Grant Taylor
On 8/21/20 11:01 AM, Caveman Al Toraboran wrote: yes, i do consider re-inventing octagonal wheels. I think that it's occasionally a good thing to have a thought experiment about how $THING might be made better. It's probably good to have discussions around green feel types of replacements.

Re: [gentoo-user] tips on running a mail server in a cheap vps provider run but not-so-trusty admins?

2020-08-21 Thread Grant Taylor
On 8/21/20 6:37 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: This stuff can be interesting to discuss, but email is SO entrenched that I don't see any of this changing because of all the legacy issues. You would need to offer something that is both easier and better to use to such a degree that people are willing

Re: [gentoo-user] tips on running a mail server in a cheap vps provider run but not-so-trusty admins?

2020-08-21 Thread Grant Taylor
On 8/20/20 7:39 PM, Caveman Al Toraboran wrote: 1. receipt by final mail server (mandatory). You're missing the point that each and every single server along the path between the original submission server and the final destination server is on the hook for delivery of the message -or-

Re: [gentoo-user] Thunderbird 78

2020-08-21 Thread james
On 8/20/20 8:19 PM, Jack wrote: On 2020.08.20 18:42, james wrote: On 8/20/20 1:20 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Thu, 20 Aug 2020 13:06:39 -0400, james wrote: Look at what I just received:   From  "Dear User Your Verizon✔ Version is outdated and has expired in the database as you know we are

Re: [gentoo-user] Thunderbird 78

2020-08-21 Thread Jack
On 8/21/20 8:28 AM, Victor Ivanov wrote: On 21/08/2020 01:28, Jack wrote: Per my suggtion elsewhere in the thread, have you tried Balsa? I hadn't heard of Balsa up until this thread. It's minimalistic. I like it. But it too fails to satisfy the PGP requirement for filtering and encrypting

Re: [gentoo-user] tips on running a mail server in a cheap vps provider run but not-so-trusty admins?

2020-08-21 Thread Rich Freeman
On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 9:39 PM Caveman Al Toraboran wrote: > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > On Thursday, August 20, 2020 11:41 AM, antlists > wrote: > > > Will that python script allow for the situation that the message is > > received, but the message was NOT safely stored for onwards

Re: [gentoo-user] Memory cards, device notifier and remembering sd* designations.

2020-08-21 Thread Michael
On Thursday, 20 August 2020 21:50:28 BST Dale wrote: > new problem. I have one card that tests fine. I've reformatted it a > couple times but device notifier, DN, just will not see that it has been > plugged in. Does udisks see it? Have you tried plugging it in, while keeping an eye on the

Re: [gentoo-user] Thunderbird 78

2020-08-21 Thread Victor Ivanov
On 21/08/2020 01:28, Jack wrote: > Per my suggtion elsewhere in the thread, have you tried Balsa? I hadn't heard of Balsa up until this thread. It's minimalistic. I like it. But it too fails to satisfy the PGP requirement for filtering and encrypting existing mail. Unless I somehow failed to find

Re: [gentoo-user] tips on running a mail server in a cheap vps provider run but not-so-trusty admins?

2020-08-21 Thread Wols Lists
On 21/08/20 02:39, Caveman Al Toraboran wrote: > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > On Thursday, August 20, 2020 11:41 AM, antlists > wrote: > >> Will that python script allow for the situation that the message is >> received, but the message was NOT safely stored for onwards transmission >>