Alan Mackenzie:
So that
instead of conceptualising a branch (as you would do with Mercurial,
Bazaar, Subversion, or even CVS), you need to think about commits
reachable from a certain head (excluding commits reachable from some
other head).
[snipping everything that is not technical]
How
Martin Vaeth:
hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote:
With rsync I believe you can exclude categories:
http://www.gentoo-wiki.info/TIP_Exclude_categories_from_emerge_sync
That is uninformed.
I think he is right.
check the --depth option of git. You can even clone specific tags with
--depth
James:
hasufell hasufell at gentoo.org writes:
I still don't see a good argument why we made our system so inflexible,
that obviously needed change needs such high amount of work, PR and proof.
I think that most folks appreciate your efforts and insightful ideas
on how to open up
Rich Freeman:
There has been a
desire for a long time to try to make it easier to contribute, but in
the end people have to step up to make that happen. Those who are
most passionate about it are of course the best candidates to try to
drive change.
That's a common misconception in
I still don't see a good argument why we made our system so inflexible,
that obviously needed change needs such high amount of work, PR and proof.
Trying to improve gaming in gentoo took me 2 years full of work just to
realize it is a dead end and I am doing most of the work alone.
The necessity
Paige Thompson:
You know I don't think thats going to happen because if you look at
layman its not as if they didn't think of using git for package trees;
all of them do use git.
A good example of why I don't think they will be using git for portage:
``git clone https://git.kernel.org'
On 11/23/2014 12:20 AM, Rich Freeman wrote:
On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 5:44 PM, hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 11/22/2014 11:20 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
Nobody can block progress under the current model. If you feel
otherwise, please point them out so that they can be dealt
On 11/24/2014 12:24 AM, Rich Freeman wrote:
So regrouping is not as easy as you make it sound. Totally not. I don't
like ruby eclasses and their virtuals. What can I do? Fix them? No, I
cannot. Stop saying I can fix everything I please. That is incorrect and
our model makes it even more
On 11/24/2014 12:24 AM, Rich Freeman wrote:
* kickban major assholes from the community, no matter how efficient
they are
Proposals welcome. Hint, things will go much better if you volunteer
to do the work the assholes are doing... It isn't like we aren't all
tired of this stuff, but if
On 11/22/2014 07:12 PM, wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote:
On 11/22/14 01:20, Rich Freeman wrote:
On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 7:13 PM, wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote:
On 11/21/14 17:10, Rich Freeman wrote:
If you want to work on them, you might consider becoming a dev, or
working on them in an
On 11/22/2014 11:20 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 1:54 PM, hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote:
No one would care in such a distributed model if there is one person
blocking progress somewhere. They would just move on, regroup around a
new overlay and start working
On 09/21/2014 07:23 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 7:45 AM, hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote:
Canek Peláez Valdés:
On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 8:46 AM, hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote:
• There's still value in understanding the traditional UNIX do one
thing and do
Canek Peláez Valdés:
On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 8:46 AM, hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote:
• There's still value in understanding the traditional UNIX do one
thing and do it well model where many workflows can be done as a
pipeline of simple tools each adding their own value, but let's face
• There's still value in understanding the traditional UNIX do one
thing and do it well model where many workflows can be done as a
pipeline of simple tools each adding their own value, but let's face
it, it's not how complex systems really work, and it's not how major
applications have been
behrouz khosravi:
On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 3:57 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann
volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote:
and now you know why you should have added --buildpkg to your default
emerge options.
Yeah, I am happy that I did it. I really don't like to compile
chromium or libreoffice again!
Grant Edwards:
On 2014-04-10, Peter Humphrey pe...@prh.myzen.co.uk wrote:
On Thursday 10 Apr 2014 17:41:05 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
well, IMHO postfix is pretty easy to setup up. While sendmail is a
complete nightmare.
I've just about got it set up here, so it can't be too hard.
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Alan McKinnon:
On 21/02/2014 16:15, hasufell wrote:
Alan McKinnon:
On 20/02/2014 22:41, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote:
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 08:52:07PM +0400, Andrew Savchenko
wrote:
And this point is one of the highest security benefits
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Nicolas Sebrecht:
The 21/02/14, hasufell wrote:
So you are saying compiling a minimal kernel to minimize exposure
to subsystem bugs is only obscurity? (I really wonder what Greg
would say to this)
Developers made the kernel to rely
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Nicolas Sebrecht:
The 26/02/14, hasufell wrote:
I wasn't only talking about modules and yes... loading them on
demand actually proves my point.
No. We are talking about servers.
I am aware of that. Please read the whole discussion
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Alan McKinnon:
On 20/02/2014 22:41, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote:
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 08:52:07PM +0400, Andrew Savchenko
wrote:
And this point is one of the highest security benefits in real
world: one have non-standard binaries, not available
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Tanstaafl:
On 2014-02-21 10:28 AM, Gevisz gev...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 21 Feb 2014 09:03:47 -0500 Tanstaafl
tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote:
On 2014-02-21 8:54 AM, Daniel Campbell li...@sporkbox.us
wrote:
If you think all profit is the
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Tanstaafl:
On 2014-02-21 11:23 AM, hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote:
Even someone who volunteers in the local soup kitchen feeding
the homeless is doing so under the profit motive. The things
is, the 'profit' involved (may) only involve(s
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Tanstaafl:
On 2014-02-21 12:17 PM, hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote:
Then you ignore self-destructive behaviour which is a common
thing in this world. It can even be intentional, causing no
emotional, financial, social or intellectual profit
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Even self-destructive behavior is in the vast majority of
cases engaged in with the *intention* of profit. Best example I
can think of would be a drug addict/alcoholic. When they
use/drink, they 'profit' in that the feel better (albeit
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On 01/30/2014 07:15 PM, Stroller wrote:
On 30 Jan 2014, at 03:50 am, hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote:
I just tried paludis again (after some time). ... * you cannot
unmask USE flags at all, not without hackery... and that is
really non
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On 01/27/2014 02:06 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
On 27/01/2014 13:59, Tanstaafl wrote:
On 2014-01-26 1:04 PM, hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote:
So, not sure where your optimism comes from. But... some devs
are interested in starting from scratch
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On 01/28/2014 06:45 PM, Martin Vaeth wrote:
hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote:
Many defaults gentoo sets do not have anything to do with
default codepaths upstream has tested.
I disagree: The USE-enabling in ebuilds usually follows upstream
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On 01/27/2014 12:26 AM, William Hubbs wrote:
On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 07:41:52PM +0100, hasufell wrote:
Starting with USE=-* on a server (which is a sane thing to do)
has become a lot more difficult as well.
No, starting with USE=-* is very
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On 01/27/2014 02:06 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
On 27/01/2014 13:59, Tanstaafl wrote:
On 2014-01-26 1:04 PM, hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote:
So, not sure where your optimism comes from. But... some devs
are interested in starting from scratch
On 01/27/2014 10:48 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Mon, 27 Jan 2014 14:57:10 +0100, hasufell wrote:
If it's about performance (in the sense of speed), then paludis
is worse, because dependency calculation is more complex/complete
there.
That makes no sense at all. Paludis is written
On 01/27/2014 11:57 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Mon, 27 Jan 2014 22:54:28 +0100, hasufell wrote:
If it's about performance (in the sense of speed), then paludis
is worse, because dependency calculation is more complex/complete
there.
That makes no sense at all. Paludis is written
On 01/28/2014 02:34 AM, Martin Vaeth wrote:
hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 01/27/2014 12:26 AM, William Hubbs wrote:
No, starting with USE=-* is very dangerous.
That's nonsense imo
No, William is completely right.
and I use that setup on multiple servers/routers without any
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On 01/26/2014 03:35 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
Anyone else noticed this yet? Some portage update seems to have
made emerge -uDN @world perform about 10 times slower than
before. It used to take seconds, now it takes about 4 minutes only
to tell
On 01/26/2014 05:06 PM, Florian Philipp wrote:
Downsides:
- emerging pypy takes forever and uses a lot of memory
- userfetch and userpriv don't work
It also regularly causes segfaults.
zmedico/#gentoo-portage hasufell: yeah, I get random segfaults with
pypy also (always seems
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On 01/26/2014 06:42 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
On 26/01/2014 17:24, eroen wrote:
On Sun, 26 Jan 2014 16:35:43 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras
rea...@gmail.com wrote:
Anyone else noticed this yet? Some portage update seems to have
made emerge -uDN @world
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On 01/26/2014 07:30 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
On 26/01/2014 20:04, hasufell wrote:
So, not sure where your optimism comes from.
It comes from watching what happens at the end of running emerge,
don't read any more into it than that. Especially
On 01/25/2014 08:07 AM, Pavel Volkov wrote:
Is Mini-XML license (/usr/portage/licenses/Mini-XML) considered a free
license?
If so, why is it not in @FREE group? I have @FREE in my ACCEPT_LICENSE= in
make.conf.
On 01/24/2014 10:46 PM, James wrote:
Hello,
Well, I took the plunge and put LXDE and openbox on a FX-8350
with 32 gig of ram. KDE was just too much of a pig and I got
tired of spending hours and hours of researching what had changesymmv.
So I'm lov'n LXDE _ openbox, although I do have
On 01/19/2014 05:46 PM, Chris Stankevitz wrote:
Hi,
Is it possible to mount an NFS share from XFCE4? I suspect the answer
might have something to do with gvfs or fuse, neither of which I know
anything about.
Ideally after emerging or USEing I will have a Connect to server entry
in my
On 12/13/2013 06:48 PM, Michael Rühmann wrote:
Am 13.12.2013 18:34, schrieb Michael Rühmann:
Hi all,
had some troubles to build sys-kernel/spl-0.6.2-r2.
snip
Emerging (4 of 6) sys-kernel/spl-0.6.2-r2
* spl-0.6.2.tar.gz SHA256 SHA512 WHIRLPOOL size ;-)
...
On 12/13/2013 08:21 PM, Bruce Hill wrote:
What *is* so difficult about that?
Nothing.
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As discussed in a previous thread I'm trying to involve users more in
testing.
Since I'm not sure about the platform yet I'll just post on the
user-ML and wait for comments.
https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=492968
Primarily you should focus
On 11/14/2013 12:21 AM, James wrote:
hasufell hasufell at gentoo.org writes:
Our arch testers are understaffed and often don't really do general
runtime tests (it's mostly assumed the maintainer knows about runtime
issues).
I have often had a hard time to get some random users comment
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Our arch testers are understaffed and often don't really do general
runtime tests (it's mostly assumed the maintainer knows about runtime
issues).
I have often had a hard time to get some random users comment on
certain packages or even assist on
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On 11/03/2013 08:07 PM, Martin Vaeth wrote:
If you want my opinion on subslots: # grep EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS
/etc/portage/make.conf
EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=--ignore-built-slot-operator-deps=y
A different user interface would be preferrable: Something
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Another round of questioning the users here.
more specifically:
* how often do you experience useless rebuilds?
* do you really have a problem with running
revdep-rebuild/haskell-updater/perl-cleaner etc after every emerge?
* do you think it's worth
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On 10/27/2013 02:30 AM, Mike Gilbert wrote:
The (non-)relationship between eselect python and PYTHON_TARGETS
is something that would be nice to resolve, but I don't know how to
do it. PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET will probably cause problems if/when
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Since I maintain blender I have come across quite a few frustrated
users already: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=488976#c7
I am not sure myself. On one hand we don't need python-updater anymore
and have very tight dependencies that ensure
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I sometimes have the feeling the number of people directly
contributing to gentoo is decreasing and the number of people with
their own overlays is increasing.
Q: Why contribute? I have my own overlay.
A: That is bad. There are several reasons:
*
On 08/25/2013 06:34 PM, Mick wrote:
On Sunday 25 Aug 2013 17:18:09 Alan McKinnon wrote:
On 25/08/2013 02:45, »Q« wrote:
On Sat, 24 Aug 2013 09:49:43 +0200
Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:
On 24/08/2013 06:26, Chris Stankevitz wrote:
On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 9:12 PM, »Q«
On 08/23/2013 05:48 PM, Marc Stürmer wrote:
Am 23.08.2013 12:50, schrieb the:
Does that mean that I should buy hardware to match software requirements?
Do you really want to tell me that you are still working on a Pentium
133 with maybe 64 MB of RAM?
I mean it has always been like that:
On 08/23/2013 08:09 PM, Yuri K. Shatroff wrote:
On 23.08.2013 19:58, hasufell wrote:
On 08/23/2013 05:48 PM, Marc Stürmer wrote:
Am 23.08.2013 12:50, schrieb the:
[ ... ]
The point for Skype, last time I am going to repeat that, is that it
works out of the box for the normal user
On 08/22/2013 05:49 PM, Marc Stürmer wrote:
And why not? Because most users just want a program that works right out
of the box for them without problems and Skype is just that. It went
great lengths to achieve this goal.
You probably missed those hundreds of bugs we devs and also users were
On 08/22/2013 06:05 PM, Marc Stürmer wrote:
Am 22.08.2013 17:58, schrieb hasufell:
You probably missed those hundreds of bugs we devs and also users were
faced with, including linkage against non-existing sonames, random
crashes and breakage when the binary is stripped.
So this is somewhat
On 08/22/2013 06:11 PM, Marc Stürmer wrote:
Am 22.08.2013 18:08, schrieb hasufell:
I was arguing from both sides. It is buggy, crashes a lot, consumes a
lot of ressources and is able to slow down your whole desktop, mess with
audio settings and whatnot.
Well, your opinion.
Proven
On 08/20/2013 05:12 PM, Randy Westlund wrote:
I've heard several people mention jitsi, but was surprised to find that it's
not in the portage tree.
Jitsi is written in java and thus by design buggy, bloated and hard to
maintain.
If you care a lot, you can propose it in sunrise user overlay
On 08/21/2013 05:59 PM, Jean-Christophe Bach wrote:
* hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org [21.08.2013. @16:48:10 +0200]:
On 08/20/2013 05:12 PM, Randy Westlund wrote:
I've heard several people mention jitsi, but was surprised to find that
it's not in the portage tree.
Jitsi is written in java
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On 08/02/2013 05:01 AM, Samuli Suominen wrote:
On 02/08/13 05:48, Dale wrote:
Samuli Suominen wrote:
Huh? USE=firmware-loader is optional and enabled by default
in sys-fs/udev Futhermore predictable network interface names
work as designed, not
On 08/12/2013 02:06 PM, Samuli Suominen wrote:
On 12/08/13 14:37, hasufell wrote:
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On 08/02/2013 05:01 AM, Samuli Suominen wrote:
On 02/08/13 05:48, Dale wrote:
Samuli Suominen wrote:
Huh? USE=firmware-loader is optional and enabled by default
On 08/09/2013 02:25 PM, Bruce Hill wrote:
On Fri, Aug 09, 2013 at 11:33:53AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
I long ago concluded that users who want to run Gnome3 need to do what
Gnome3 devs want them to do. Currently with 3.8 that includes using systemd.
This would be a _very_ good post to
On 08/06/2013 06:19 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
On 06/08/13 17:37, Paul Hartman wrote:
On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 9:32 AM, Michael Orlitzky
mich...@orlitzky.com wrote:
On 08/06/2013 10:24 AM, Paul Hartman wrote:
On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 9:20 AM, Tanstaafl
tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote:
On
On 08/03/2013 02:28 PM, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote:
you guys @gentoo.org turned this thread into plain bullshits.
I have a lot of patience, but that does not help us and definitely not
your case either. Please stop.
People who are _really_ interested in contributing are welcome to
contact me
On 08/02/2013 01:16 PM, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote:
And if you cba to review the basics, stuff most users know, or can find out
easily,
what makes you think you're cut out to be a developer?
Please note I'm not discussing any technical ability you may or may not have
with
bash, ebuilds or
On 08/02/2013 07:36 PM, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote:
On Fri, Aug 02, 2013 at 01:58:35PM +0200, hasufell wrote:
So we are pretty open to new contributors.
Nice conclusion!
Yes. We offer manys way to collaborate and the only real requirement is
that people are able to read documentation
On 08/01/2013 02:11 PM, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote:
The 01/08/13, Alon Bar-Lev wrote:
I don't see the major difference between that and opening a bug and
attaching the patch. Only that bugzilla allow to manage the process,
not have leftovers, and future people can resume past discussions.
The
On 08/01/2013 03:15 PM, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote:
The 01/08/13, hasufell wrote:
You can use the command line too.
www-client/pybugz
I know this tool. I did try it. At that time it was buggy and did not
work for me. Though, this would still be a busy process as this is just
another
On 07/30/2013 11:32 PM, Daniel Campbell wrote:
On 07/30/2013 01:16 PM, hasufell wrote:
And we need MOAR devs
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/devrel/handbook/handbook.xml?part=1chap=2
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Gentoo/Staffing_Needs
so awesome! srsly!
What many people don't seem
And we need MOAR devs
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/devrel/handbook/handbook.xml?part=1chap=2
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Gentoo/Staffing_Needs
so awesome! srsly!
What many people don't seem to get is: you don't need to be a commit
monkey doing your 100+ commits per week.
Our minimum
resync
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