Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Can't get PulseAudio to work
On 2010-05-22 16:19, luis jure wrote: guys, ever heard of trimming your quotes? +1
[gentoo-user] Re: Can't get PulseAudio to work
On 05/22/2010 12:34 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Samstag 22 Mai 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: This installed PulseAudio and rebuilt all applications to drop OSS support and use ALSA or Pulse instead. sure? Never mind, found the problem after googling a lot: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-gnome/2010-January/023768.html PA does not work without ConsoleKit, yet the ebuild did not pull CK as a dep :-/ Will file a bug about it. As for the results, it's pretty much as I expected: latency cannot compete with OSS4's vmix. But it isn't worse than stand-alone ALSA+dmix though, which is surprising. Another problem: Amarok 2 stopped working. That is, it loads OK, but there's no sound at all when playing something with the Xine backend. The Gstreamer backend works, but (as always) sound quality sucks (pops and crackles). Any way to get Phonon-Xine to work with PA? I tried to set audio.driver:alsa in ~/.xine/config, but to no avail; still no sound.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Can't get PulseAudio to work
On Samstag 22 Mai 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 05/22/2010 12:34 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Samstag 22 Mai 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: This installed PulseAudio and rebuilt all applications to drop OSS support and use ALSA or Pulse instead. sure? Never mind, found the problem after googling a lot: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-gnome/2010-January/023768.html PA does not work without ConsoleKit, yet the ebuild did not pull CK as a dep :-/ Will file a bug about it. As for the results, it's pretty much as I expected: latency cannot compete with OSS4's vmix. But it isn't worse than stand-alone ALSA+dmix though, which is surprising. Another problem: Amarok 2 stopped working. That is, it loads OK, but there's no sound at all when playing something with the Xine backend. The Gstreamer backend works, but (as always) sound quality sucks (pops and crackles). Any way to get Phonon-Xine to work with PA? I tried to set audio.driver:alsa in ~/.xine/config, but to no avail; still no sound. yeah, with that set it tries to use alsa, not PA. Why again are you wasting your time with PA?
[gentoo-user] Re: Can't get PulseAudio to work
On 05/22/2010 01:46 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Samstag 22 Mai 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 05/22/2010 12:34 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Samstag 22 Mai 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: This installed PulseAudio and rebuilt all applications to drop OSS support and use ALSA or Pulse instead. sure? Never mind, found the problem after googling a lot: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-gnome/2010-January/023768.html PA does not work without ConsoleKit, yet the ebuild did not pull CK as a dep :-/ Will file a bug about it. As for the results, it's pretty much as I expected: latency cannot compete with OSS4's vmix. But it isn't worse than stand-alone ALSA+dmix though, which is surprising. Another problem: Amarok 2 stopped working. That is, it loads OK, but there's no sound at all when playing something with the Xine backend. The Gstreamer backend works, but (as always) sound quality sucks (pops and crackles). Any way to get Phonon-Xine to work with PA? I tried to set audio.driver:alsa in ~/.xine/config, but to no avail; still no sound. yeah, with that set it tries to use alsa, not PA. audio.driver:pulse also doesn't work :-/ Why again are you wasting your time with PA? Because people claim ALSA+Pulse is better than OSS4. So I ought to actually try it with a correct setup, unlike the broken Ubuntu setup, or else everyone will keep saying I don't know what I'm talking about.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Can't get PulseAudio to work
On Samstag 22 Mai 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 05/22/2010 01:46 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Samstag 22 Mai 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 05/22/2010 12:34 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Samstag 22 Mai 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: This installed PulseAudio and rebuilt all applications to drop OSS support and use ALSA or Pulse instead. sure? Never mind, found the problem after googling a lot: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-gnome/2010-January/023768.htm l PA does not work without ConsoleKit, yet the ebuild did not pull CK as a dep :-/ Will file a bug about it. As for the results, it's pretty much as I expected: latency cannot compete with OSS4's vmix. But it isn't worse than stand-alone ALSA+dmix though, which is surprising. Another problem: Amarok 2 stopped working. That is, it loads OK, but there's no sound at all when playing something with the Xine backend. The Gstreamer backend works, but (as always) sound quality sucks (pops and crackles). Any way to get Phonon-Xine to work with PA? I tried to set audio.driver:alsa in ~/.xine/config, but to no avail; still no sound. yeah, with that set it tries to use alsa, not PA. audio.driver:pulse also doesn't work :-/ Why again are you wasting your time with PA? Because people claim ALSA+Pulse is better than OSS4. So I ought to actually try it with a correct setup, unlike the broken Ubuntu setup, or else everyone will keep saying I don't know what I'm talking about. really? There are people claiming that? ok, everything is better than OSS4 - but PA? That crap is almost as bad as ESD.
[gentoo-user] Re: Can't get PulseAudio to work
On 05/22/2010 02:24 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Samstag 22 Mai 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 05/22/2010 01:46 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Samstag 22 Mai 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 05/22/2010 12:34 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Samstag 22 Mai 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: This installed PulseAudio and rebuilt all applications to drop OSS support and use ALSA or Pulse instead. sure? Never mind, found the problem after googling a lot: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-gnome/2010-January/023768.htm l PA does not work without ConsoleKit, yet the ebuild did not pull CK as a dep :-/ Will file a bug about it. As for the results, it's pretty much as I expected: latency cannot compete with OSS4's vmix. But it isn't worse than stand-alone ALSA+dmix though, which is surprising. Another problem: Amarok 2 stopped working. That is, it loads OK, but there's no sound at all when playing something with the Xine backend. The Gstreamer backend works, but (as always) sound quality sucks (pops and crackles). Any way to get Phonon-Xine to work with PA? I tried to set audio.driver:alsa in ~/.xine/config, but to no avail; still no sound. yeah, with that set it tries to use alsa, not PA. audio.driver:pulse also doesn't work :-/ Why again are you wasting your time with PA? Because people claim ALSA+Pulse is better than OSS4. So I ought to actually try it with a correct setup, unlike the broken Ubuntu setup, or else everyone will keep saying I don't know what I'm talking about. really? There are people claiming that? ok, everything is better than OSS4 - but PA? That crap is almost as bad as ESD. Well if I'm going to use ALSA I need something that gives me per-application volume control since ALSA is too broken to even provide that while the rest of the world moved on.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Can't get PulseAudio to work
On Samstag 22 Mai 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 05/22/2010 02:24 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Samstag 22 Mai 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 05/22/2010 01:46 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Samstag 22 Mai 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 05/22/2010 12:34 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Samstag 22 Mai 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: This installed PulseAudio and rebuilt all applications to drop OSS support and use ALSA or Pulse instead. sure? Never mind, found the problem after googling a lot: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-gnome/2010-January/023768.h tm l PA does not work without ConsoleKit, yet the ebuild did not pull CK as a dep :-/ Will file a bug about it. As for the results, it's pretty much as I expected: latency cannot compete with OSS4's vmix. But it isn't worse than stand-alone ALSA+dmix though, which is surprising. Another problem: Amarok 2 stopped working. That is, it loads OK, but there's no sound at all when playing something with the Xine backend. The Gstreamer backend works, but (as always) sound quality sucks (pops and crackles). Any way to get Phonon-Xine to work with PA? I tried to set audio.driver:alsa in ~/.xine/config, but to no avail; still no sound. yeah, with that set it tries to use alsa, not PA. audio.driver:pulse also doesn't work :-/ Why again are you wasting your time with PA? Because people claim ALSA+Pulse is better than OSS4. So I ought to actually try it with a correct setup, unlike the broken Ubuntu setup, or else everyone will keep saying I don't know what I'm talking about. really? There are people claiming that? ok, everything is better than OSS4 - but PA? That crap is almost as bad as ESD. Well if I'm going to use ALSA I need something that gives me per-application volume control since ALSA is too broken to even provide that while the rest of the world moved on. funny how I can change the volume in wesnoth or vlc, independent from the rest. You are blaming the wrong people here.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Can't get PulseAudio to work
On Samstag 22 Mai 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 05/22/2010 02:24 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Samstag 22 Mai 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 05/22/2010 01:46 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Samstag 22 Mai 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 05/22/2010 12:34 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Samstag 22 Mai 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: This installed PulseAudio and rebuilt all applications to drop OSS support and use ALSA or Pulse instead. sure? Never mind, found the problem after googling a lot: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-gnome/2010-January/023768.h tm l PA does not work without ConsoleKit, yet the ebuild did not pull CK as a dep :-/ Will file a bug about it. As for the results, it's pretty much as I expected: latency cannot compete with OSS4's vmix. But it isn't worse than stand-alone ALSA+dmix though, which is surprising. Another problem: Amarok 2 stopped working. That is, it loads OK, but there's no sound at all when playing something with the Xine backend. The Gstreamer backend works, but (as always) sound quality sucks (pops and crackles). Any way to get Phonon-Xine to work with PA? I tried to set audio.driver:alsa in ~/.xine/config, but to no avail; still no sound. yeah, with that set it tries to use alsa, not PA. audio.driver:pulse also doesn't work :-/ Why again are you wasting your time with PA? Because people claim ALSA+Pulse is better than OSS4. So I ought to actually try it with a correct setup, unlike the broken Ubuntu setup, or else everyone will keep saying I don't know what I'm talking about. really? There are people claiming that? ok, everything is better than OSS4 - but PA? That crap is almost as bad as ESD. Well if I'm going to use ALSA I need something that gives me per-application volume control since ALSA is too broken to even provide that while the rest of the world moved on. oh yeah, one other thing: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/Softvol ALSA CAN control the volume of every single app. You just choose to ignore it. Or you chose not to look for it. Either way, it is there. Without the inherent brokenness of OSS4
[gentoo-user] Re: Can't get PulseAudio to work
On 05/22/2010 04:03 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Samstag 22 Mai 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 05/22/2010 02:24 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Samstag 22 Mai 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 05/22/2010 01:46 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Samstag 22 Mai 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 05/22/2010 12:34 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Samstag 22 Mai 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: This installed PulseAudio and rebuilt all applications to drop OSS support and use ALSA or Pulse instead. sure? Never mind, found the problem after googling a lot: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-gnome/2010-January/023768.h tm l PA does not work without ConsoleKit, yet the ebuild did not pull CK as a dep :-/ Will file a bug about it. As for the results, it's pretty much as I expected: latency cannot compete with OSS4's vmix. But it isn't worse than stand-alone ALSA+dmix though, which is surprising. Another problem: Amarok 2 stopped working. That is, it loads OK, but there's no sound at all when playing something with the Xine backend. The Gstreamer backend works, but (as always) sound quality sucks (pops and crackles). Any way to get Phonon-Xine to work with PA? I tried to set audio.driver:alsa in ~/.xine/config, but to no avail; still no sound. yeah, with that set it tries to use alsa, not PA. audio.driver:pulse also doesn't work :-/ Why again are you wasting your time with PA? Because people claim ALSA+Pulse is better than OSS4. So I ought to actually try it with a correct setup, unlike the broken Ubuntu setup, or else everyone will keep saying I don't know what I'm talking about. really? There are people claiming that? ok, everything is better than OSS4 - but PA? That crap is almost as bad as ESD. Well if I'm going to use ALSA I need something that gives me per-application volume control since ALSA is too broken to even provide that while the rest of the world moved on. oh yeah, one other thing: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/Softvol ALSA CAN control the volume of every single app. You just choose to ignore it. Or you chose not to look for it. Either way, it is there. Without the inherent brokenness of OSS4 You live in your own little world, Armin. That has nothing to do with per-app volume. You're as ignorant as ever and I must ask myself why I choose to waste time talking with you, over and over again. This discussion is over. Welcome to my killfile. *plonk*
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Can't get PulseAudio to work
Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 05/22/2010 04:03 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Samstag 22 Mai 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 05/22/2010 02:24 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Samstag 22 Mai 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 05/22/2010 01:46 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Samstag 22 Mai 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 05/22/2010 12:34 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Samstag 22 Mai 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: This installed PulseAudio and rebuilt all applications to drop OSS support and use ALSA or Pulse instead. sure? Never mind, found the problem after googling a lot: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-gnome/2010-January/023768.h tm l PA does not work without ConsoleKit, yet the ebuild did not pull CK as a dep :-/ Will file a bug about it. As for the results, it's pretty much as I expected: latency cannot compete with OSS4's vmix. But it isn't worse than stand-alone ALSA+dmix though, which is surprising. Another problem: Amarok 2 stopped working. That is, it loads OK, but there's no sound at all when playing something with the Xine backend. The Gstreamer backend works, but (as always) sound quality sucks (pops and crackles). Any way to get Phonon-Xine to work with PA? I tried to set audio.driver:alsa in ~/.xine/config, but to no avail; still no sound. yeah, with that set it tries to use alsa, not PA. audio.driver:pulse also doesn't work :-/ Why again are you wasting your time with PA? Because people claim ALSA+Pulse is better than OSS4. So I ought to actually try it with a correct setup, unlike the broken Ubuntu setup, or else everyone will keep saying I don't know what I'm talking about. really? There are people claiming that? ok, everything is better than OSS4 - but PA? That crap is almost as bad as ESD. Well if I'm going to use ALSA I need something that gives me per-application volume control since ALSA is too broken to even provide that while the rest of the world moved on. oh yeah, one other thing: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/Softvol ALSA CAN control the volume of every single app. You just choose to ignore it. Or you chose not to look for it. Either way, it is there. Without the inherent brokenness of OSS4 You live in your own little world, Armin. That has nothing to do with per-app volume. You're as ignorant as ever and I must ask myself why I choose to waste time talking with you, over and over again. This discussion is over. Welcome to my killfile. *plonk* Well, I'm not Armin but it does talk about per-app volume. This is a quote from the link above: Another usefull thing you can do is control the volume of every application seperatly, even if the application can't do it on its own. It's the third sentence on the page. I'm not sure how you could miss that. I need new glasses and have one eye I'm almost blind in and I saw that. You may want to adjust your killfile. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Can't get PulseAudio to work
on 2010-05-22 at 16:57 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 05/22/2010 04:03 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Samstag 22 Mai 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 05/22/2010 02:24 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Samstag 22 Mai 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 05/22/2010 01:46 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Samstag 22 Mai 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 05/22/2010 12:34 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Samstag 22 Mai 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: This installed PulseAudio and rebuilt all applications to guys, ever heard of trimming your quotes?
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Can't get PulseAudio to work
On Samstag 22 Mai 2010, Dale wrote: Another usefull thing you can do is control the volume of every application seperatly, even if the application can't do it on its own. It's the third sentence on the page. I'm not sure how you could miss that. I need new glasses and have one eye I'm almost blind in and I saw that. You may want to adjust your killfile. Dale he is completely blind in his pro OSSv4 trollness. No suprise, really.
